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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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I just think the 100+ old guy Nose thing is on and the only real question left is will Mark and Max pass Jim and George on the route.
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Keith Leaman
Trad climber
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Good advice, Mark. In Minnesota, we did some outdoor chores at the same time...like de-icing the swimmin' hole. (true, but not me in the photo)
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Major shrinkage potential in the last photo
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nutjob
Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
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Mental outlook has a big impact on tolerance for cold water. I used to be a total wuss about jumping in cold rivers/lakes until some of le_bruce's enthusiasm for it rubbed off on me.
Now whenever I'm driving through the mountains with the kids and the opportunity arises, we stop for a quick dunk and fun. I'm the one who has to encourage them to jump in instead of the other way around. Thanks le_bruce for helping me see the light!
Maybe cold water therapy is like Type 2 fun, better in hindsight.
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Michelle
Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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This makes sense. It also explains why I feel better after jumping into the creek at Chipmunk Flat after a long day.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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For a second I thought Keith's pic was of Vlad Putin.
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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And I thought it was Donini in training.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Donini doesn't have love handles. You gotta use a bridle on him.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Au contraire....i won't go close to water that isn't warm enough to breed hurricanes.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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I'm not saying you can't build muscle mass as you get older, I'm saying that if you've been climbing throughout your life you probably aren't going to generate a significant amount more muscle mass.
At some point in your early 30s you start to have a significant reduction of the hormones that promote muscle growth and the body starts to reduce muscle mass but maintain overall body mass...
I found a big difference from 50 to 59 (next year 60) in that the intensity of training I can undertake, a lot less over that period; which has also been punctuated by injuries from a variety of activities including climbing.
Recovery from injury and building strength are competing processes, and injury prevents strength building in the injured part. As recovery times go up, training intensity is reduced, and you enter into a "vicious cycle."
As I increased my recovery times from both injuries and training the recurrence of injuries has gone down without affecting climbing too much. In some sense slow increases in training over a longer period of time are more successful than bouts of intense training.
It also occurred to me that the sort of training I did in high school, and as a young adult were probably inappropriate for my current body.
Finally, intensely training a particular skill set, off width climbing, for an intensive period led to a series of injuries that have prevented me from getting back to those sorts of difficult climbs not to mention any sort of difficult training. I'm still climbing the OW, just taking my time getting back to the lists of climbs...
I ice, it's a very good way to control inflammation. And I expect injuries from climbing, too. I've been trying to be as focussed on recovery as on climbing when it happens.
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pc
climber
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So taking this down one possible path...
If one were looking for performance enhancement in a certain...er...activity... Could one expect improvement in "performance" by icing the participating bodypart?
but then again maybe the anti-inflammatory properties deflate the purpose...
Just wondering out loud for a "friend"...
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The Lisa
Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
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Very informative thread! Various studies come out all the time saying ice is great or ice does nothing or ice is harmful. For me I go with whatever feels right to me. Sometimes it is ice, sometimes it is heat.
I have found ice to be useful in alleviating pain from sprains and strains, and my trusted chiropractor/ART guy tells me the same.
However, for muscle recovery after running ultras I find compression works better than ice. A lot of my marathon friends swear by the ice bath though.
Growing up in Ireland and swimming in the Atlantic in April has made me tolerate cold water well, and I do enjoy Polar Bear swims. The warm waters in Miami felt really strange the one time I went there lol.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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The water off of Miami is way too cold until July.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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My understanding has always been that icing an acute injury (ie sprained ankle) by just putting ice in the affected area is only slightly effective in comparison to immersing the entire body in cold water.
Dirtbag hydrotherapy is as follows: hot shower 15 min, last 3 or 4 min as hot as you can handle. Then flip to very cold for at least 45 seconds, 60+ is ideal. As tempting as it is to go back to heat- do not! Get out, dry off & lay down still or nap for 15 minutes. When u get up u will be ready to do anything- or nothing.......
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Bump, splash!!
It is a hot July day and I am walking down the old CCC trail hacked out of the chaparral on Snyder Ridge above Devil Gulch leading to Marble Point on the So. Fk. of the Merced, maybe two miles tops.
There is no water source and I am out--the spring at the top of the hill I stupidly, naively, relied on is bone dry. I'm dehydrating and I keep moving to finish this enduro run. There is a whole river of cold water down there.
I get to the bottom, find a shallows and strip naked and lie in the cold water.
Cramping, severe at times, follows as I am drying off. It gets dark,The moon is full, and I cannot possibly steep that night, even though I drink large amounts of water to deal with the muscle cramps, mainly in my back.
So, I should have cooled down and then what, Doc? Gradual immersion, no immersion? Just drink water???
As a young kid, would I have noticed the same discomfort? Or are we more susceptible to cramps the more our bodies age?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/heart-attack-and-water/5362673
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