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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oh, yeah, sorry, let's get back to all the useful stuff here...
How do you all feel about Ivan chipping?
Hey, did you see that Ron sent in the forward, and chim acknowledged that the editor got it?
And Tami needs drugs.
All important breaking news here on the Taco.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Uh oh frank is upset.
Dammit, Wes, this is a BIG DEAL.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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I think some people take internet messageboards seriously, Chim. That's my philosophy.
Also I learned a lot about butt plugs. This thread is great!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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I stepped out for food... what happened!!!?
I detect some post deletions.
Seriously, you were expecting a serious discussion under this title... on this forum?
People mind other people's business when their own business isn't worth minding.
Do you work for TRPA?
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John Butler
Social climber
SLC, Utah
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...and stop sending 19 year old kids with the title "elder" to brainwash people.
Pffffft... They go when they are 18 :-)
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Independently wealthy, haven't worked in years.
Is this to get around tithing? The wealthy, always hustlin'...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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This was originally a climbing thread, albeit a bad one. Too bad it has been hijaked into a religious rant. Climbing threads are an endangered species on this forum.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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It's my fault, Jim. I tried to milk the funny out of it : / oops.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Reading about climbing... on an internet forum... wow, that's an interesting concept!
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WBraun
climber
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This was originally a climbing thread,
This never was a climbing thread.
It's a thread about a jackass human jackhammer gone wild on some boulder all while some other jackasses thought it was a good idea to do sh!t like this.
Must be a New Yorker thing?
Whatever ... have at it jackasses .......
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Matt
Trad climber
it's all turtles, all the way dooowwwwwnn!!!!!
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 5, 2013 - 12:01am PT
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What Werner said.
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MisterE
Social climber
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What this is, and what may or may not come to pass:
Hubris: an excess of ambition, pride, etc, ultimately causing the transgressor's ruin
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Independently wealthy, haven't worked in years.
That's awesome. I'm usually only a dick when I work too much. Soon I will be cool again.
Jennie, still curious... is anti-gay marriage something the church "officially" teaches, or just supports financially?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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^^^^^
Good morning, Wes.
My elucidations seem to chafe you...instead, I offer you a passage from lds.com:
Addressing same-sex attraction
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints acknowledges that same-sex attraction is a sensitive issue which requires kindness, compassion, and understanding. The website “Love One Another: A Discussion on Same-Sex Attraction” strives to address, through interviews and videos from Church leaders and members, the issue of same-sex attraction as it relates to individuals and affected family members. The statements and stories emphasize the importance of Christ’s commandment to love one another and reaffirm the Church’s position.
The Church’s doctrinal position is clear: Sexual activity should only occur between a man and a woman who are married. However, that should never be used as justification for unkindness. Jesus Christ, whom we follow, was clear in His condemnation of sexual immorality, but never cruel. His interest was always to lift the individual, never to tear down.1
In short, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints affirms the centrality of doctrines relating to human sexuality and gender as well as the sanctity and significance of marriage as the union of a man and a woman.2 However, the Church firmly believes that all people are equally beloved children of God and deserve to be treated with love and respect. Church apostle Elder Quentin L. Cook stated, “As a church, nobody should be more loving and compassionate. Let us be at the forefront in terms of expressing love, compassion and outreach. Let’s not have families exclude or be disrespectful of those who choose a different lifestyle as a result of their feelings about their own gender.”3
The divine institution of marriage
The Church distinguishes between same-sex attraction and behavior. While maintaining that feelings and inclinations toward the same sex are not inherently sinful, engaging in homosexual behavior is in conflict with the “doctrinal principle, based on sacred scripture … that marriage between a man and a woman is essential to the Creator's plan for the eternal destiny of His children.”4
Because the Church believes that the sacred powers of procreation are “to be exercised only between a man and a woman lawfully wedded as husband and wife … any other sexual relations, including those between persons of the same gender, undermine the divinely created institution of the family.” Accordingly, the Church favors measures that define marriage as the union of a man and a woman. However, “protecting marriage between a man and a woman does not remove Church members’ Christian obligations of love, kindness and humanity toward all people.”5
Individual rights
The Church’s affirmation of marriage as being between a man and a woman “neither constitutes nor condones any kind of hostility toward gays and lesbians.”6 On the contrary, many Church leaders have spoken clearly about the love and respect with which all people are to be treated. Former Church president Gordon B. Hinckley (1910-2008) told members who are attracted to the same sex: “Our hearts reach out to [you]. We remember you before the Lord, we sympathize with you, we regard you as our brothers and sisters.” President Boyd K. Packer affirmed, “We do not reject you. … We cannot reject you. … We will not reject you, because we love you.”
The Church has advocated for rights for same-sex couples regarding “hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and employment rights, or probate rights, so long as these do not infringe on the integrity of the traditional family or the constitutional rights of churches.”7 In Salt Lake City, for example, the Church supported ordinances aimed at protecting gay residents from discrimination in housing and employment. 8
Gospel of love
The gospel of Jesus Christ is based on love, respect and agency. Mormons believe that all humans have inherited strengths, weaknesses, challenges and blessings and are invited to live, through the help and grace of God, the principles revealed by Jesus Christ. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints maintains that “God’s universal fatherhood and love charges each of us with an innate and reverent acknowledgment of our shared human dignity. We are to love one another. We are to treat each other with respect as brothers and sisters and fellow children of God, no matter how much we may differ from one another.”9
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Marriage is defined by one man and a woman, another woman, her daughter, a 12 year old cousin, and another woman.
...but don't look at dudes, that would be wrong.
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Gerg
Trad climber
Calgary
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^^^^haha.
I am going to Utah in a month, can i buy beer there?
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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You can buy 3.2 beer easily, but you consume 1000 calories before you feel a buzz.
You can buy real beer, liquor and wine at state sores, but they have odd hours and are really expensive.
If you are driving, best to buy a few cases on your way there.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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You can't buy beer there but you can get a raging case of male menopause.
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