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philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 6, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
You boys get a room.
Oh wait you have one.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1641723&tn=40960
Take it there where it belongs. Why add another polirant thread to the chaos?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
"personally, i think she's an ideal nominee"

i've praised barry in the past whenever he does something i agree with (i.e. killing terrorists); just like i criticized W for spending too much

je had the correct reading...liberals, on st and elsewhere, rail against big business, big banks, and big oil; so, i'm curious how the libs here will respond to barry nominating someone who represents three of the biggest lib bogeymen

of course, the libs ignore my point and make personal attacks--i have no idea why my hometown is relevant--i know it doesn't matter to the libs that i'm a public high school teacher because i believe unions are bad for education and, like fdr, believe public sector unions are inherently corrupt; and you need to watch hannity's expose on dc as a "boomtown" with YOUR tax dollars pouring into the area as the government grows--yes, i believe in small government, which is why i live in va and not md even though teachers in md are paid more because, of course, they're taxed more, too, and maryland doesn't like gun owners and has a much higher rate of violent crime, but va has concealed carry (so do i) and a lower rate of violent crime and va has cops in every high school and middle school...but you prove my point about libs...you just can't bring yourself to criticize barry, not even when he assassinates american citizens (including a 16 year old boy) without formal charges or a warrant or expands bush's rendition program or keeps gitmo open or opposes gay marriage until 6 months before the election and still says it's a states rights issue or keeps hiring lobbyists or keeps using the same "executive privilege" argument as bush to keep from disclosing information

you're pathetic


JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 6, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
Dave, I don't listed to Hannity, Limbaugh or Fox News, so I'm not directly familiar with their current arguments. Accordingly, I'm in no position to say who parrots the views of any of them. I do believe, though, that if there are "parrots," it's more likely the Limbaughs and Hannitys of the world, who are simply saying what they think their audience wants to hear. I do read the Review and Outlook pages of the Wall Street Journal, although I find myself often to their authors' left.

What posts to read is obviously an individual choice, but I've often found Bookworm's quotes and links generally contain cogent, fact-based arguments rather than mere slogans. And for those of us who are right of center and hang out on ST, it's nice to know we have company, so I appreciate the presence of Donald, Bookworm, and so many others. I need to know I'm not alone!

John
John M

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
JohnE, his posts may have cogent points, but he is so derisive its hard to read anything he says. I find it telling that you have to have the derision pointed out to you.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 6, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
of course, the libs ignore my point and make personal attacks--i have no idea why my hometown is relevant--i know it doesn't matter to the libs that i'm a public high school teacher because i believe unions are bad for education and, like fdr, believe public sector unions are inherently corrupt; and you need to watch hannity's expose on dc as a "boomtown" with YOUR tax dollars pouring into the area as the government grows--yes, i believe in small government, which is why i live in va and not md even though teachers in md are paid more because, of course, they're taxed more, too, and maryland doesn't like gun owners and has a much higher rate of violent crime, but va has concealed carry (so do i) and a lower rate of violent crime and va has cops in every high school and middle school...but you prove my point about libs...you just can't bring yourself to criticize barry, not even when he assassinates american citizens (including a 16 year old boy) without formal charges or a warrant or expands bush's rendition program or keeps gitmo open or opposes gay marriage until 6 months before the election and still says it's a states rights issue or keeps hiring lobbyists or keeps using the same "executive privilege" argument as bush to keep from disclosing information

you're pathetic

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prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Feb 6, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
I always get a chuckle when Republicans complain about Obama acting like a Republican.

nobody's complaining, just pointing out what a hypocrite he and most of his voters are.

prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Feb 6, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
you really think that "liberals" are not capable of appreciating experience in big business?

so now you appreciate the 1%'s business experience? What part do you appreciate?
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 6, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
Well now!

With someone with a business background heading up the Dept of Interior, maybe my proposal to help reduce the budget deficit by selling place-names to corporate America will get a closer and much deserved look.

I would start by auctioning off mountains named for deceased politicians, such as Mt. McKinley.

Wouldn't it be worth $100 million to MacDonalds to name it: Big Mac?

Selling the Yosemite name to Caterpillar for $100 million would probably bother some on ST?
Credit: Fritz
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 6, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
nobody's complaining, just pointing out what a hypocrite he and most of his voters are.
Compared to the hypocrites that republicans are? Uh huh...

So glad you're not complaining about your president.
John M

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
you really think that "liberals" are not capable of appreciating experience in big business?


And you are calling us pathetic?


Bookworm when you throw this stuff out like that of course we're going to piss all over you and roll on the ground laughing. Do you really think we would prefer Edward abbey in the job because he wrote a cool book or two? Would you by any chance prefer Ted Nugent? Would you appreciate me suggesting that you would?

I don't know anything about this lady. Whats her history beside the little nothing that Bookworm presented?

Thank you Bruce Kay.. +1

JohnE, try to hear what we hear. Has a conservative ever really tried to understand a liberals point of view? Do you understand that we don't have blanket hatred of big business. That most of us don't hate capitalism, or having jobs. That we appreciate a balanced budget. Do you know how tiresome it is to have anything that even remotely looks like helping another person be derided as socialism?

LEB use to complain and complain and complain about being attacked, and it was virtually impossible to get her to see how arrogant and derisive her speech was. I see that problem in a lot of conservatives.
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Feb 6, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
Compared to the hypocrites that republicans are? Uh huh...

So glad you're not complaining about your president.

Who gives a sh#t about republicans?

This is the same old "well its not as bad as republicans" comeback...

try to get some new material.
John M

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
You are a weird person I think.

you are on it today Bruce.

cause we want to tax the upper 1 percent less then Reagan did but more then they are now, that appears to mean that we hate them.

because we recognize that they have the majority of the power, thus they have the majority of the responsibility for the recession, that means we hate them..

Because we want to moderate their power.. that means we hate them..

John M

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
Whats worse to me is that the moderate conservatives don't even recognize the hate speech coming out of their party membership.



You dirty little hippy you.. Well. its true isn't it..
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
you are on it today Bruce.

cause we want to tax the upper 1 percent less then Reagan did but more then they are now, that appears to mean that we hate them.

because we recognize that they have the majority of the power, thus they have the majority of the responsibility for the recession, that means we hate them..

Because we want to moderate their power.. that means we hate them..

show me the part where i said you hate them.

you mentioned reagan now i'm surprised you haven't worked romney or bush into the discussion yet...
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
John M,

I do understand that liberals don't have a blanket hatred of business, big or otherwise, any more than conservatives have a blanket hatred of government, big or otherwise. Yes, there are some libertarians whose rhetoric sounds like government is the devil incarnate, and there are some on the left who demonize corporations in the same way. The exception doesn't prove the rule.

I also have enough experience as an advocate to know that vilifying those to whom you address your arguments virtually insures that the audience tunes you out. While I try to train myself to see past that in my opponents, I'm probably no more successful than any other human. Because of that failure, I often miss the chance to acquire real insight into why they have opinions that differ from mine.

I read and comment on the political threads because even those who are relentless in their disdain for conservatives generally, and Republicans in particular (Dr. F. and Joe Hedge, among others, come to mind), often provide thoughtful nuggets and useful quotes or links. Sure it would be easier to disregard those whose insults annoy us, and easier still if no one offered gratuitous provocation, but we're human, and we'd miss a lot by omission. Besides, some of us like the challenge of extracting the signal out of the noise.

John
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
John M is correct, it's the extremest "you are with us or against us" mentality in all of these arguments that is tiresome and pointless.

It seems to have overwhelmed all dialog from the right of the political spectrum.

how about giving us an example?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
Try to get some new material.

Uh, no, you try to get some new material....
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
Qintl, I thought you were from Berkeley man.

Where you you from?


John M

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
Besides, some of us like the challenge of distracting the signal out of the noise.

then go for it. Me.. I'll sit this one out. I'm probably more conservative then liberal, but I'm tired of the bullshit on both sides. Plus I get tired of you pointing out the attacks against conservative and failing to see the attacks against liberals.
John M

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
Maybe we can move the conversation about the new interior secretary to this thread.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2065426/US-government-to-allow-returns-on-everything-On-Topic
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