New Interior Secretary

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
Messages 1 - 87 of total 87 in this topic
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 6, 2013 - 06:09am PT
barry's nominee?

prez and ceo of rei, former banker, former engineer for mobil oil!!!

personally, i think she's an ideal nominee: her executive experience will help her run the bureaucracy; her banking experience will help her manage the dept's finances; her oil experience will help her appreciate the need for thoughtful land management, but...


big biz, big banking, big oil!!!


doesn't this make her the trifecta of lib scorn?


or will libs give barry another pass?

dirtbag

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 06:14am PT
zzzzz...


mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 6, 2013 - 06:16am PT
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100423961

Hmmm...don't care.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Feb 6, 2013 - 07:21am PT
Maybe she'll help open our National Parks to more Americans rather than lock them up as scientific relics fenced off to visitors.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Feb 6, 2013 - 08:31am PT
bookworm = wingnut troll
weezy

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 08:35am PT
her banking experience will help her manage the dept's finances

"honey, let's see if the registered sex offender can watch the kids tomorrow."
giegs

climber
Tardistan
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:43am PT
I'm glad to have Salazar on the way out, but we'll see where this leads. The gossip machines are running full speed ahead at the moment.
QITNL

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:49am PT
I know they probably all look the same to you, so I'd be happy to give you a hand sorting them out. It's time to play:

BARRY or BARACK?

1)


2)


3)


4)


5)


6)


Answers:

ʞɔɐɹɐq (9

ʎɹɹɐq (5

ʞɔɐɹɐq (4

ʎɹɹɐq (3

ʞɔɐɹɐq (2

ʎɹɹɐq (1

We can work on this as long as you like. I'm sure you can get it right.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:49am PT
most environmentalists weren't happy with salazar, either. he was former rancher.

i'm guessing this choice partly reflects an intention to start making some administrative movement toward cap & trade. cap & trade and most of its component parts will never get past the current House, but there are a variety of administrative things that can get done as ground prep.



Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:51am PT
Bookworm - I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the world is actually not black and white.

Sorry man. You really need to get out of your little world sometime.


In 2011, Falls Church was named the richest county in the United States with median annual household income of $113,313.
giegs

climber
Tardistan
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:54am PT
I'm most interested in where she takes this:

21st Century Conservation Service Corps
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:57am PT
Bookworm's troll exhibits the conservative challenge: They have a concept of who Obama is, based upon their ideological rants. Then when he does something that is not in line with that, they are flabbergasted.

They NEVER consider that their concept is flawed.

Right now, they are asking why a foreign-born muslim would appoint such a woman.

In reality, this choice is remarkable.

She is definitely an "industry"-type person, but her work at REI places her in a unique position, that I don't remember the US having in that position. Aside from all the core competencies, she is undoubtedly a conservationist, and a champion from access.

I suspect her hearings will be interesting.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:01am PT
WA Post comments:

She's a socialist, because she's been a CEO of a commercial company, and has worked for Big Oil. She's a plant, who has been tunneling inside the capitalistic system for years, which should be obvious, since there's absolutely no evidence to show her socialist connections.

This, of course, merely proves that she's a clever socialist.

Seems like a good choice. Expect a filibuster.

I surprised that goobs are posting here. I thought they were only worried about the First Ladies posterior not the department of interior.

HE BETTER NOT NOMINATE HER! WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS! PLENTY OF NATURAL BORN CITIZENS THAT CAN DO THIS JOB! TRAITOR!

Yep, CEO of Dad's privately held company. Surprise. Does appear qualified to run her Dad's company. She loves the outdoors, hiking, rafting, basically the resume of a Conservationist. So I am assuming there will be big stops in any drilling, mining, logging, or building of houses or roads on any Federal lands.

Again, Jewell's dad was an anesthesiologist. The fact that he was an REI member doesn't make it "her Dad's company." Where do people get this nonsense?

But I still don't get it (and I'm way liberal). Wouldn't someone with gov't management experience
and political skills be more appropriate?

Amazing how the neocons were behind Romney because of his "business experience" including a stint as an investment banker. But now that the President nominates someone with that same background, they want to ride her out of town on a rail. And the GOP can't figure out why they lost the last election? Could it be because they've become the party of sexism and racism?

Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:14am PT
In 2011, Falls Church was named the richest county in the United States with median annual household income of $113,313.

Fairfax county is one of the wealthiest in the country because of ... the federal government! ... in particular the fat salaries of the beltway bandits in the defense and "intelligence" industries.

But "conservatives" want smaller government!

Bookworm, I just installed Turbo Tax and started my 1040...looks like I'll be sending a check your way. Gotta maintain those real estate values in your neighborhood.

Please tell us again about the "makers" and the "takers" ...
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:21am PT
It sure didn't take long for this thread to turn into ad hominum attacks on Bookworm. I agree with your premise, Bookworm; it will be interesting to see who raises what concerns about this appointment. To me, it looks like someone with enough knowledge and experience to have a decent shot at running the Department. That means, of course, that from my vantage point, the President did a good job on this pick.

John
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:22am PT
John,

Please read the last two lines of bookworm's OP:

doesn't this make her the trifecta of lib scorn?


or will libs give barry another pass?
John M

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:24am PT
t sure didn't take long for this thread to turn into ad hominum attacks on Bookworm.

Um... he started with attacks on Liberals. Or did you just ignore that? He makes a very simplistic statement as though it is true and then derides liberals for believing it.

Come on John..

Edit: Dave beat me to it.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:24am PT
I always get a chuckle when Republicans complain about Obama acting like a Republican.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:30am PT
Maybe she'll help open our National Parks to more Americans rather than lock them up as scientific relics fenced off to visitors.

I'm personally still pulling for replacing the cables with twin escalators and putting a McDonalds and Starbucks on top of Half Dome. Share the wealth...
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:33am PT
OK, I see your point, John and Dave. I interpreted those last two sentences differently, i.e. to mean that it would be interesting to see how liberals react to this appointment. Upon reflection, your reading would be the first thing I would think, too, if I were looking at things from a perspective farther to the left.

And Gary, I don't think any Republicans on this thread are griping about this appointment. Unless I misread Bookworm some more (certainly possible, given my rather insensitive reading of the last two sentences), he seems to be supporting the nomination,as did I.

John
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:50am PT
Book, just remember what's good for America.

Thank you Gov. Christie, thank you Ohio.
Credit: survival
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:53am PT
Bookworm, Donald, and a few others invite criticism because of they really have nothing do say except to repeat the right-wing talk show talking points du jour.

Tune in to Limbaugh or Hannity or any Fox News show today and you will hear the exact same argument, with the exact same vitriolic tone.

I like to discuss politics and hear different viewpoints, but there are some ST posters who really have nothing to say except to echo whatever the hate-based right wing propaganda machine is spewing. It's so damned predictable.

There's no insight, and there's no value add.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:53am PT
And Gary, I don't think any Republicans on this thread are griping about this appointment. Unless I misread Bookworm some more (certainly possible, given my rather insensitive reading of the last two sentences), he seems to be supporting the nomination,as did I.

John, I read posts like bookworms on different boards. They gleefully point out all of the center/right positions taken by Obama. Then say they won't vote for him because he's a Marxist socialist.

Just funny is all. Everybody is wrapped up in what team they are on.
YosemiteSteve

Trad climber
CA
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:19am PT
My buddy just posted a picture on Facebook of her on the summit of Mt. Rainier, so she has that going for her.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:28am PT
You boys get a room.
Oh wait you have one.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1641723&tn=40960
Take it there where it belongs. Why add another polirant thread to the chaos?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2013 - 11:35am PT
"personally, i think she's an ideal nominee"

i've praised barry in the past whenever he does something i agree with (i.e. killing terrorists); just like i criticized W for spending too much

je had the correct reading...liberals, on st and elsewhere, rail against big business, big banks, and big oil; so, i'm curious how the libs here will respond to barry nominating someone who represents three of the biggest lib bogeymen

of course, the libs ignore my point and make personal attacks--i have no idea why my hometown is relevant--i know it doesn't matter to the libs that i'm a public high school teacher because i believe unions are bad for education and, like fdr, believe public sector unions are inherently corrupt; and you need to watch hannity's expose on dc as a "boomtown" with YOUR tax dollars pouring into the area as the government grows--yes, i believe in small government, which is why i live in va and not md even though teachers in md are paid more because, of course, they're taxed more, too, and maryland doesn't like gun owners and has a much higher rate of violent crime, but va has concealed carry (so do i) and a lower rate of violent crime and va has cops in every high school and middle school...but you prove my point about libs...you just can't bring yourself to criticize barry, not even when he assassinates american citizens (including a 16 year old boy) without formal charges or a warrant or expands bush's rendition program or keeps gitmo open or opposes gay marriage until 6 months before the election and still says it's a states rights issue or keeps hiring lobbyists or keeps using the same "executive privilege" argument as bush to keep from disclosing information

you're pathetic


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:37am PT
Actually Bookworm,, Obama is WORSE than Bush in keeping stuff quiet- of course he campaigned the first time on "open meeting" promises that were NEVER kept.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:38am PT
Dave, I don't listed to Hannity, Limbaugh or Fox News, so I'm not directly familiar with their current arguments. Accordingly, I'm in no position to say who parrots the views of any of them. I do believe, though, that if there are "parrots," it's more likely the Limbaughs and Hannitys of the world, who are simply saying what they think their audience wants to hear. I do read the Review and Outlook pages of the Wall Street Journal, although I find myself often to their authors' left.

What posts to read is obviously an individual choice, but I've often found Bookworm's quotes and links generally contain cogent, fact-based arguments rather than mere slogans. And for those of us who are right of center and hang out on ST, it's nice to know we have company, so I appreciate the presence of Donald, Bookworm, and so many others. I need to know I'm not alone!

John
John M

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:41am PT
JohnE, his posts may have cogent points, but he is so derisive its hard to read anything he says. I find it telling that you have to have the derision pointed out to you.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:42am PT
of course, the libs ignore my point and make personal attacks--i have no idea why my hometown is relevant--i know it doesn't matter to the libs that i'm a public high school teacher because i believe unions are bad for education and, like fdr, believe public sector unions are inherently corrupt; and you need to watch hannity's expose on dc as a "boomtown" with YOUR tax dollars pouring into the area as the government grows--yes, i believe in small government, which is why i live in va and not md even though teachers in md are paid more because, of course, they're taxed more, too, and maryland doesn't like gun owners and has a much higher rate of violent crime, but va has concealed carry (so do i) and a lower rate of violent crime and va has cops in every high school and middle school...but you prove my point about libs...you just can't bring yourself to criticize barry, not even when he assassinates american citizens (including a 16 year old boy) without formal charges or a warrant or expands bush's rendition program or keeps gitmo open or opposes gay marriage until 6 months before the election and still says it's a states rights issue or keeps hiring lobbyists or keeps using the same "executive privilege" argument as bush to keep from disclosing information

you're pathetic

DudeyoumakesomuchsenseIlovethewayyoumakeallofthesecomplexissuesintoasimpleunderstandableformatforusuneducatedliberalshowcouldweeverquestiontherighteousnessofyourviewsthankgawdwehave
peolelikeyoulookingafterourkidsinvirginiaandaroundthecountrybythewayf*#kyouandallofthehorsesyourodeinon.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:46am PT
you really think that "liberals" are not capable of appreciating experience in big business?


And you are calling us pathetic?


Bookworm when you throw this stuff out like that of course we're going to piss all over you and roll on the ground laughing. Do you really think we would prefer Edward abbey in the job because he wrote a cool book or two? Would you by any chance prefer Ted Nugent? Would you appreciate me suggesting that you would?

I don't know anything about this lady. Whats her history beside the little nothing that Bookworm presented?

prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:48am PT
I always get a chuckle when Republicans complain about Obama acting like a Republican.

nobody's complaining, just pointing out what a hypocrite he and most of his voters are.

Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:50am PT
John,

The guy can't post anything without making negative generalizations about "libs"

You do know that Fox News and WSJ are the same company, right?
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:50am PT
you really think that "liberals" are not capable of appreciating experience in big business?

so now you appreciate the 1%'s business experience? What part do you appreciate?
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:50am PT
Well now!

With someone with a business background heading up the Dept of Interior, maybe my proposal to help reduce the budget deficit by selling place-names to corporate America will get a closer and much deserved look.

I would start by auctioning off mountains named for deceased politicians, such as Mt. McKinley.

Wouldn't it be worth $100 million to MacDonalds to name it: Big Mac?

Selling the Yosemite name to Caterpillar for $100 million would probably bother some on ST?
Credit: Fritz
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:51am PT
nobody's complaining, just pointing out what a hypocrite he and most of his voters are.
Compared to the hypocrites that republicans are? Uh huh...

So glad you're not complaining about your president.
John M

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:55am PT
you really think that "liberals" are not capable of appreciating experience in big business?


And you are calling us pathetic?


Bookworm when you throw this stuff out like that of course we're going to piss all over you and roll on the ground laughing. Do you really think we would prefer Edward abbey in the job because he wrote a cool book or two? Would you by any chance prefer Ted Nugent? Would you appreciate me suggesting that you would?

I don't know anything about this lady. Whats her history beside the little nothing that Bookworm presented?

Thank you Bruce Kay.. +1

JohnE, try to hear what we hear. Has a conservative ever really tried to understand a liberals point of view? Do you understand that we don't have blanket hatred of big business. That most of us don't hate capitalism, or having jobs. That we appreciate a balanced budget. Do you know how tiresome it is to have anything that even remotely looks like helping another person be derided as socialism?

LEB use to complain and complain and complain about being attacked, and it was virtually impossible to get her to see how arrogant and derisive her speech was. I see that problem in a lot of conservatives.
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:57am PT
Compared to the hypocrites that republicans are? Uh huh...

So glad you're not complaining about your president.

Who gives a sh#t about republicans?

This is the same old "well its not as bad as republicans" comeback...

try to get some new material.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
so now you appreciate the 1%'s business experience? What part do you appreciate?


What a strange question. What difference does it make what percentage of the population you are if you have some valuable and applicable skills and experience? Or are you saying that no one of the "1%" class can be trusted regardless of their ideology, ethics, skills and experience?

You are a weird person I think.
John M

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
You are a weird person I think.

you are on it today Bruce.

cause we want to tax the upper 1 percent less then Reagan did but more then they are now, that appears to mean that we hate them.

because we recognize that they have the majority of the power, thus they have the majority of the responsibility for the recession, that means we hate them..

Because we want to moderate their power.. that means we hate them..

Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
John M is correct, it's the extremest "you are with us or against us" mentality in all of these arguments that is tiresome and pointless.

It seems to have overwhelmed all dialog from the right of the political spectrum.

Funny, I posted about this story this morning also, but never saw it as a political thread. I just thought it would lead to the usual REI bashing:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2065426/US-government-to-allow-returns-on-everything-On-Topic





John M

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Whats worse to me is that the moderate conservatives don't even recognize the hate speech coming out of their party membership.



You dirty little hippy you.. Well. its true isn't it..
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
Whats worse to me is that the moderate conservatives don't even recognize the hate speech coming out of their party membership.


Actually, I do.
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
you are on it today Bruce.

cause we want to tax the upper 1 percent less then Reagan did but more then they are now, that appears to mean that we hate them.

because we recognize that they have the majority of the power, thus they have the majority of the responsibility for the recession, that means we hate them..

Because we want to moderate their power.. that means we hate them..

show me the part where i said you hate them.

you mentioned reagan now i'm surprised you haven't worked romney or bush into the discussion yet...
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
John M,

I do understand that liberals don't have a blanket hatred of business, big or otherwise, any more than conservatives have a blanket hatred of government, big or otherwise. Yes, there are some libertarians whose rhetoric sounds like government is the devil incarnate, and there are some on the left who demonize corporations in the same way. The exception doesn't prove the rule.

I also have enough experience as an advocate to know that vilifying those to whom you address your arguments virtually insures that the audience tunes you out. While I try to train myself to see past that in my opponents, I'm probably no more successful than any other human. Because of that failure, I often miss the chance to acquire real insight into why they have opinions that differ from mine.

I read and comment on the political threads because even those who are relentless in their disdain for conservatives generally, and Republicans in particular (Dr. F. and Joe Hedge, among others, come to mind), often provide thoughtful nuggets and useful quotes or links. Sure it would be easier to disregard those whose insults annoy us, and easier still if no one offered gratuitous provocation, but we're human, and we'd miss a lot by omission. Besides, some of us like the challenge of extracting the signal out of the noise.

John
prickle

Gym climber
globe,az
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
John M is correct, it's the extremest "you are with us or against us" mentality in all of these arguments that is tiresome and pointless.

It seems to have overwhelmed all dialog from the right of the political spectrum.

how about giving us an example?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
Try to get some new material.

Uh, no, you try to get some new material....
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
Qintl, I thought you were from Berkeley man.

Where you you from?


John M

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
Besides, some of us like the challenge of distracting the signal out of the noise.

then go for it. Me.. I'll sit this one out. I'm probably more conservative then liberal, but I'm tired of the bullshit on both sides. Plus I get tired of you pointing out the attacks against conservative and failing to see the attacks against liberals.
John M

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
Maybe we can move the conversation about the new interior secretary to this thread.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2065426/US-government-to-allow-returns-on-everything-On-Topic
klk

Trad climber
cali
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
heh


this thread was conceived as a trainwreck. bookworm is a fake avatar created specifically as a political troll for entertainment on st.

my expectations for this thread were always low. i checked in largely because i figured there was a slight chance of an anonymous rei insider with something to say turning up in the thread. not much of a chance, but heh, keep hope alive.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
REI blows....
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
"I agree with your premise, Bookworm; it will be interesting to see who raises what concerns about this appointment."

Ummm....bookworm's 'premise' was to rub this cabinet choice in the noses of liberals that he believes to be uniformly a bunch of granola-eating, Prius-driving, pot-smoking, welfare-taking losers.

Yes, this is an interesting choice, but why bother responding to a closed-minded ideologue like bookworm?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
REI runs the department of the Interior?

Does this mean I can return a half eaten pizza at the patio for a full refund now?
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
REI blows...

+1
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
Does this mean I can return a half eaten pizza at the patio for a full refund now?

Good one! I guess what I really care about now is that there be no change in the Golden Age Passport (or, as jstan calls it, the "Golden Turkey"), since I'm only a few months away from mine.

By the way, the reason I didn't comment about this on the political thread, the way I usually do, is because the identity of the Secretary of the Interior should matter to climbers generally, not merely to those who thrive on political "discussions."

John
burcheyGITTEM

Big Wall climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
What's the most lulzy is when the folks get all argue-like about who is worse: the pubs or the dems.

There's hardly a modicum of difference.

They just shape the campaign in a way they feel is winnable.

¿Por qué no se fueron corregir sobre el apocalipsis de los mayas?

POR QUE?????
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 6, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
yeah, there just is NO difference between Repubs and Dems

they are all the same

briham89

Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
Feb 6, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
Credit: briham89
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Feb 6, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
Hey, bookworm, what planet does this thing called Hannity live on? I can't get it here on Earth. Can you beam it down? Or send it with Ron the next time he's coming our way.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
Can't say for this appointment but am hoping that the next Secretary of Energy is as good as Dr Chu. Great pick by the President. http://energy.gov/contributors/secretary-energy-dr-steven-chu
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 6, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
No difference between the Dems and Repubs?

Lets revist this discussion in a couple of years and compare and contrast her with this turd

James Watt
James Watt
Credit: Jon Beck
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 6, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
precisely. I believe James Watt came to the job with lots of skills and experience but demonstrated some fairly bizarre ideology that suited Reagans administration just fine


Quite an amusing read : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_G._Watt


His bio quite accurately describes the current regime in Canada right now, including the "dominionist / armagedon" imperative. No I'm not kidding.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 6, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
Booky....Drop your blanket and stop sucking your thumb...Us Democrats are moderates...Okay , stick your thumb back in your mouth and carry on...
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 6, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
Yes, this is an interesting choice, but why bother responding to a closed-minded ideologue like bookworm?

exactly.... just carry on. bookworms ilk is a dying bread. move on to things that are productive.
Hardly Visible

Social climber
Llatikcuf WA
Feb 6, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
Hey TM Jesse,



Maybe she'll help open our National Parks to more Americans rather than lock them up as scientific relics fenced off to visitors.

what the fuk dude a few weeks ago yer all for keeping a few Pt. Townsend local climbers from climbin on some piece of crap front country rock with a trailer park below it, due to native American interests. Yet, on the other hand you want to open the national park system’s backcountry to every obese Winnebago clad ermerican?

Please explain?
QITNL

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
It's sad, this thread was essentially pre-nuked. Intentionally designed to fail, right from the start. Which is too bad, because chances are there might be someone on this forum with some real factual information or experience - someone who has climbed with this woman, worked with this woman, worked for REI and knows her management style.

Pro or con, I'd be interested to hear their perspective. Do you think they are going to post up? I wouldn't. Welcome to your irrelevance - I guess that's what you wanted. I'll find real information elsewhere, thank you.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
Oh I don't know. Once we dispense with tearing bookworm to peices for his simple troll it might be a pretty interesting topic. After 30 odd years of solid right wing pro resource extraction and de regulation this lady sounds like a solid sea change:

REI CEO Sally Jewell Nominated for Interior Secretary Post
by Daniel Gross Feb 6, 2013 7:55 PM EST


For years, the “business community” has been complaining that President Obama has been reluctant to include chief executive officers in his inner circle. The Bush administration featured former CEOs of big companies at Defense (Donald Rumsfeld), Treasury (Paul O’Neill, John Snow, and Henry Paulson), Commerce (Carlos Gutierrez of Kellogg) and Energy (Samuel Bodman).

Now, more than four years into his presidency, Obama has finally appointed a chief executive officer of a national name-brand company with experience in the oil business to a cabinet post. Sally Jewell of the outdoor retailer REI has been nominated to be the next secretary of the interior.


But the folks at the Chamber of Commerce and the Business Roundtable, who might have been hoping for one of their own—a relentless advocate for lower taxes, reduced regulation, aggressive oil exploration, high executive pay, and hard-core Darwinian capitalism—to be vaulted into the inner sanctum might be disappointed. REI boasts annual sales of more than $1.8 billion and at the beginning of 2012 had 122 stores in 29 states and 11,000 employees. But it isn’t a typical company. And while Jewell is a veteran of Mobil Oil, she is much closer to a community organizer than a hard-charging boss. Oh, and she first climbed Mount Rainier at the age of 16.

REI is, in fact, a cooperative owned by its members—much like, say, the Park Slope Food Co-Op, or a credit union, or a kibbutz. It was started 75 years ago by a bunch of mountain-climbing enthusiasts in the Pacific Northwest and has grown steadily over the years. Americans have latched on to snowboarding, hiking, and the new trends of showing up to work in fleeces and adventure sandals. And REI has been there to serve them.

The chain’s retail footprint has spread from the northwest and earthy-crunchy precincts into unlikely new areas: Greensville, S.C.; Paramus, N.J.; Yonkers, N.Y.; even a store in the Puck Building in Manhattan’s SoHo neighborhood. (Because people need hiking gear to climb Cobble Hill and hike through Carroll Gardens?)

In 2011, REI reported revenues of $1.8 billion, up 8.4 percent from the year before, and healthy operating income of $116.2 million. It added 842,000 new members in 2011. But the profits didn’t go into the pockets of mutual funds, or of top bosses. Each year, members receive an “annual patronage refund” that is based on purchases. In 2011, REI distributed nearly $100 million to its 4.7 million active members. The company also has a philosophy of sharing profits with employees—at the end of 2011, it paid out $14.9 million in employee performance incentives and $13.2 million in profit-sharing and retirement payments.

REI is a touchy-feely place. It ranked eighth on Fortune’s 100 Best Companies to Work For in America for 15 consecutive years. The company notes: “REI is committed to promoting environmental stewardship and increasing access to outdoor recreation through volunteerism, gear donations and financial contributions.” Jewell closed her most recent letter to shareholders with a phrase that likely has never appeared in a Securities and Exchange Commission filing: “We wish you much joy in sharing the great outdoors with friends and loved ones or enjoying solitude in a beautiful setting, and look forward to serving you on that journey.”

Jewell hasn’t worked in politics, or in public policy. But as the CEO of REI, she has already played a significant role in caring for America’s public spaces. In her letter last year, Jewell noted that “through direct engagement in service projects on public lands, and grants that support organizations involved in connecting people to nature and stewardship, your co-op facilitated nearly three million hours of volunteer service in parks, recreation areas and natural spaces across the country.” About 3 percent of operating profits are spent on such stewardship activities.

REI is, in fact, a cooperative owned by its members—much like, say, the Park Slope Food Co-Op, or a credit union, or a kibbutz.
Jewell is arguably well equipped to grapple with the challenges of the job. One of the big questions an interior secretary has to deal with is the desire by energy companies to produce oil and natural gas on federal land. She does have some experience working in the oil business: after graduating from the University of Washington with a degree in mechanical engineering, she worked for Mobil Oil for three years. Jewell segued into the banking industry and rose up the ranks at Washington Mutual. She joined REI’s board in 1996, became its chief operating officer in 2000, and was promoted to CEO in 2002. (The Seattle Times published a good profile of Jewell in 2002.)

But Jewell is far more interested in conservation than production. And environmentalists, who have been hard on Obama for his tentative efforts to deal with climate change, are likely to be pleased by her appointment. Business writer Marc Gunther described Jewell as an “active activist CEO,” recalling that she showed up to a dinner in Washington “toting a backpack and water bottle, talking up the importance of America’s national parks.” A lean and youthful mother of two adult children, she practices what she peddles. She enjoys hiking, mountain climbing, skiing, and boating. As she told Gunther: “There is nothing like a taste of nurture to nurture the soul.”

We’ve come a long way from “Drill, baby, drill.”



I dunno Bookworm, she dosn't sound too Exxon Valdez to me. Thirty years of right wing domminionism has apparently ended with among other things the big oil blow out in the Gulf of Mexico which is this guys legacy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_Kempthorne

Between him and James Watt I'd recommend pretty well anybody. I bet the repubs are going to hate her til their heads explode!



dirtbag

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
The nominee for Interior Secretary:


Credit: dirtbag


Yeah, what a dud.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Big Jim woulda been a lock for Interior Secretary if Bobby had not been shot.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
serious? whats the story there?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
Well, you think Big Jim hauled Bobby's azz up Mt Kennedy for nothing?
OK, let me rephrase that: do you think Big Jim got George Senner, Bill Prater,
Dee Molenaar, and Barry Prather to haul Bobby's azz up there for nothing?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
what ever happened to John Roskelly anyway?
QITNL

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
There's an app for that:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1715761/Our-Climb-Up-Mt-Kennedy-Robert-Kennedy-Life-Magazine-1965
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
Bruce Babbitt was pretty good. this nominee is lackluster and yet another enviro-disappointment from this presidency.

dirtbag

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
ms55401, did you read that long article posted above? She doesn't sound half bad. Her heart seems to be in the right place, I just hope she has the political skills and deep knowledge of resource management and land laws needed for this position.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
Apparently, and pathetically, Repugs can't find much to criticize in the qualifications of this Cabinet pick, so all they have left is to try and criticize liberals on a pick they actually support. The very definition of partisan politics.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
Trust me. Having met her, she will be a disappointment
QITNL

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
In response to my belly-aching, I got an email. With permission, I'll post it here:

I worked for REI for eight years. Seven of which were under her leadership. She steered REI away from its original mission. Under her direction, REI became nothing more than a clothing/lifestyle company.
She is not an outdoors person, and climbing Rainier once or twice does not make one a climber.

In the last year, the #2 man at REI quit, and he had been there for twenty five years.

The REI under the direction of Sally Jewell is a far cry from the one under Jim Whittakers chairmanship.

Her leadership has demoralized many REI employees

Like it or not, that exactly what I want to hear. Thanks for the email.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 6, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
I was hoping for a more substantive critique than that. The only thing that I see in those statements that raise any flags is "Her leadership has demoralized many REI employees" which may not be as alarming as it seems. Did she disallow their Birkenstock allowance or something? Everything else, even Jim witakers alleged dissapointment, is presented without any context or meaning.

Is she sharp as a whip? Does she have a backbone? Is she a raving religious nut? Is she a perfectly reasonable and rational religious nut? does she worship satan? Has she ever been shot in the face by Dick Cheney?

Lets hear the real dirt
QITNL

climber
Feb 7, 2013 - 12:05am PT
Hold on there, cowboy. I haven't done any real journalism since high school, a gambling syndicate, thrown games.

First you have to listen, establish credibility, trust. We are on the same team. I try to stay honest.
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Feb 7, 2013 - 12:42am PT
As an REI vendor since 1994 or so, I do know that the old purchasing agents have been replaced by IBM-Sterling, which does the whole buy/sell thing electronically. However, there have been many, many problems with the software and its operation. For example, about two weeks ago the automated invoicing system broke down for a few days. Now, whether or not REI farmed out their purchasing department in order to be able to fire their purchasing agents is unknown to me at this time. Another good question is whether or not the Sterling system was set up to leverage the small vendors out of the REI family? Sometimes if you're paranoid enough, you begin to detect evil intentions where there is merely technical dysfunction. All I know is that since 1994 there's never been any problems for me doing business with REI, not until this new software ordering and invoicing system was implemented a little over a year ago. These changes certainly do indicate the emergence of a less folksy, more corporate REI.
QITNL

climber
Feb 7, 2013 - 01:09am PT
Good info, thanks.
David Knopp

Trad climber
CA
Mar 8, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/08/us/politics/sally-jewell-rei-chief-executive-appears-before-senate-panel.html?_r=0

the latest skinny-she sounds pretty pro-resource extraction to me!
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Mar 8, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
Meet the new boss/Same as the old boss
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Mar 8, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
You want change? Vote Green, or another third party that represents your view. Both of the major political parties are owned by special interests.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Lost
Mar 8, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
As I stated earlier, all of the people who think she is great, will be greatly disappointed
Messages 1 - 87 of total 87 in this topic
Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
 
Our Guidebooks
Check 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks


Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Review Categories
Recent Route Beta
Recent Gear Reviews