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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 6, 2013 - 09:09am PT
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barry's nominee?
prez and ceo of rei, former banker, former engineer for mobil oil!!!
personally, i think she's an ideal nominee: her executive experience will help her run the bureaucracy; her banking experience will help her manage the dept's finances; her oil experience will help her appreciate the need for thoughtful land management, but...
big biz, big banking, big oil!!!
doesn't this make her the trifecta of lib scorn?
or will libs give barry another pass?
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Maybe she'll help open our National Parks to more Americans rather than lock them up as scientific relics fenced off to visitors.
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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bookworm = wingnut troll
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weezy
climber
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her banking experience will help her manage the dept's finances
"honey, let's see if the registered sex offender can watch the kids tomorrow."
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giegs
climber
Tardistan
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I'm glad to have Salazar on the way out, but we'll see where this leads. The gossip machines are running full speed ahead at the moment.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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most environmentalists weren't happy with salazar, either. he was former rancher.
i'm guessing this choice partly reflects an intention to start making some administrative movement toward cap & trade. cap & trade and most of its component parts will never get past the current House, but there are a variety of administrative things that can get done as ground prep.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Bookworm's troll exhibits the conservative challenge: They have a concept of who Obama is, based upon their ideological rants. Then when he does something that is not in line with that, they are flabbergasted.
They NEVER consider that their concept is flawed.
Right now, they are asking why a foreign-born muslim would appoint such a woman.
In reality, this choice is remarkable.
She is definitely an "industry"-type person, but her work at REI places her in a unique position, that I don't remember the US having in that position. Aside from all the core competencies, she is undoubtedly a conservationist, and a champion from access.
I suspect her hearings will be interesting.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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WA Post comments:
She's a socialist, because she's been a CEO of a commercial company, and has worked for Big Oil. She's a plant, who has been tunneling inside the capitalistic system for years, which should be obvious, since there's absolutely no evidence to show her socialist connections.
This, of course, merely proves that she's a clever socialist.
Seems like a good choice. Expect a filibuster.
I surprised that goobs are posting here. I thought they were only worried about the First Ladies posterior not the department of interior.
HE BETTER NOT NOMINATE HER! WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS! PLENTY OF NATURAL BORN CITIZENS THAT CAN DO THIS JOB! TRAITOR!
Yep, CEO of Dad's privately held company. Surprise. Does appear qualified to run her Dad's company. She loves the outdoors, hiking, rafting, basically the resume of a Conservationist. So I am assuming there will be big stops in any drilling, mining, logging, or building of houses or roads on any Federal lands.
Again, Jewell's dad was an anesthesiologist. The fact that he was an REI member doesn't make it "her Dad's company." Where do people get this nonsense?
But I still don't get it (and I'm way liberal). Wouldn't someone with gov't management experience
and political skills be more appropriate?
Amazing how the neocons were behind Romney because of his "business experience" including a stint as an investment banker. But now that the President nominates someone with that same background, they want to ride her out of town on a rail. And the GOP can't figure out why they lost the last election? Could it be because they've become the party of sexism and racism?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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It sure didn't take long for this thread to turn into ad hominum attacks on Bookworm. I agree with your premise, Bookworm; it will be interesting to see who raises what concerns about this appointment. To me, it looks like someone with enough knowledge and experience to have a decent shot at running the Department. That means, of course, that from my vantage point, the President did a good job on this pick.
John
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John M
climber
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t sure didn't take long for this thread to turn into ad hominum attacks on Bookworm.
Um... he started with attacks on Liberals. Or did you just ignore that? He makes a very simplistic statement as though it is true and then derides liberals for believing it.
Come on John..
Edit: Dave beat me to it.
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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I always get a chuckle when Republicans complain about Obama acting like a Republican.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Maybe she'll help open our National Parks to more Americans rather than lock them up as scientific relics fenced off to visitors.
I'm personally still pulling for replacing the cables with twin escalators and putting a McDonalds and Starbucks on top of Half Dome. Share the wealth...
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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OK, I see your point, John and Dave. I interpreted those last two sentences differently, i.e. to mean that it would be interesting to see how liberals react to this appointment. Upon reflection, your reading would be the first thing I would think, too, if I were looking at things from a perspective farther to the left.
And Gary, I don't think any Republicans on this thread are griping about this appointment. Unless I misread Bookworm some more (certainly possible, given my rather insensitive reading of the last two sentences), he seems to be supporting the nomination,as did I.
John
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Book, just remember what's good for America.
Thank you Gov. Christie, thank you Ohio.
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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And Gary, I don't think any Republicans on this thread are griping about this appointment. Unless I misread Bookworm some more (certainly possible, given my rather insensitive reading of the last two sentences), he seems to be supporting the nomination,as did I.
John, I read posts like bookworms on different boards. They gleefully point out all of the center/right positions taken by Obama. Then say they won't vote for him because he's a Marxist socialist.
Just funny is all. Everybody is wrapped up in what team they are on.
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YosemiteSteve
Trad climber
CA
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My buddy just posted a picture on Facebook of her on the summit of Mt. Rainier, so she has that going for her.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
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"personally, i think she's an ideal nominee"
i've praised barry in the past whenever he does something i agree with (i.e. killing terrorists); just like i criticized W for spending too much
je had the correct reading...liberals, on st and elsewhere, rail against big business, big banks, and big oil; so, i'm curious how the libs here will respond to barry nominating someone who represents three of the biggest lib bogeymen
of course, the libs ignore my point and make personal attacks--i have no idea why my hometown is relevant--i know it doesn't matter to the libs that i'm a public high school teacher because i believe unions are bad for education and, like fdr, believe public sector unions are inherently corrupt; and you need to watch hannity's expose on dc as a "boomtown" with YOUR tax dollars pouring into the area as the government grows--yes, i believe in small government, which is why i live in va and not md even though teachers in md are paid more because, of course, they're taxed more, too, and maryland doesn't like gun owners and has a much higher rate of violent crime, but va has concealed carry (so do i) and a lower rate of violent crime and va has cops in every high school and middle school...but you prove my point about libs...you just can't bring yourself to criticize barry, not even when he assassinates american citizens (including a 16 year old boy) without formal charges or a warrant or expands bush's rendition program or keeps gitmo open or opposes gay marriage until 6 months before the election and still says it's a states rights issue or keeps hiring lobbyists or keeps using the same "executive privilege" argument as bush to keep from disclosing information
you're pathetic
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dave, I don't listed to Hannity, Limbaugh or Fox News, so I'm not directly familiar with their current arguments. Accordingly, I'm in no position to say who parrots the views of any of them. I do believe, though, that if there are "parrots," it's more likely the Limbaughs and Hannitys of the world, who are simply saying what they think their audience wants to hear. I do read the Review and Outlook pages of the Wall Street Journal, although I find myself often to their authors' left.
What posts to read is obviously an individual choice, but I've often found Bookworm's quotes and links generally contain cogent, fact-based arguments rather than mere slogans. And for those of us who are right of center and hang out on ST, it's nice to know we have company, so I appreciate the presence of Donald, Bookworm, and so many others. I need to know I'm not alone!
John
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John M
climber
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JohnE, his posts may have cogent points, but he is so derisive its hard to read anything he says. I find it telling that you have to have the derision pointed out to you.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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of course, the libs ignore my point and make personal attacks--i have no idea why my hometown is relevant--i know it doesn't matter to the libs that i'm a public high school teacher because i believe unions are bad for education and, like fdr, believe public sector unions are inherently corrupt; and you need to watch hannity's expose on dc as a "boomtown" with YOUR tax dollars pouring into the area as the government grows--yes, i believe in small government, which is why i live in va and not md even though teachers in md are paid more because, of course, they're taxed more, too, and maryland doesn't like gun owners and has a much higher rate of violent crime, but va has concealed carry (so do i) and a lower rate of violent crime and va has cops in every high school and middle school...but you prove my point about libs...you just can't bring yourself to criticize barry, not even when he assassinates american citizens (including a 16 year old boy) without formal charges or a warrant or expands bush's rendition program or keeps gitmo open or opposes gay marriage until 6 months before the election and still says it's a states rights issue or keeps hiring lobbyists or keeps using the same "executive privilege" argument as bush to keep from disclosing information
you're pathetic
DudeyoumakesomuchsenseIlovethewayyoumakeallofthesecomplexissuesintoasimpleunderstandableformatforusuneducatedliberalshowcouldweeverquestiontherighteousnessofyourviewsthankgawdwehave
peolelikeyoulookingafterourkidsinvirginiaandaroundthecountrybythewayf*#kyouandallofthehorsesyourodeinon.
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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I always get a chuckle when Republicans complain about Obama acting like a Republican.
nobody's complaining, just pointing out what a hypocrite he and most of his voters are.
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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you really think that "liberals" are not capable of appreciating experience in big business?
so now you appreciate the 1%'s business experience? What part do you appreciate?
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Well now!
With someone with a business background heading up the Dept of Interior, maybe my proposal to help reduce the budget deficit by selling place-names to corporate America will get a closer and much deserved look.
I would start by auctioning off mountains named for deceased politicians, such as Mt. McKinley.
Wouldn't it be worth $100 million to MacDonalds to name it: Big Mac?
Selling the Yosemite name to Caterpillar for $100 million would probably bother some on ST?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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nobody's complaining, just pointing out what a hypocrite he and most of his voters are.
Compared to the hypocrites that republicans are? Uh huh...
So glad you're not complaining about your president.
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John M
climber
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you really think that "liberals" are not capable of appreciating experience in big business?
And you are calling us pathetic?
Bookworm when you throw this stuff out like that of course we're going to piss all over you and roll on the ground laughing. Do you really think we would prefer Edward abbey in the job because he wrote a cool book or two? Would you by any chance prefer Ted Nugent? Would you appreciate me suggesting that you would?
I don't know anything about this lady. Whats her history beside the little nothing that Bookworm presented?
Thank you Bruce Kay.. +1
JohnE, try to hear what we hear. Has a conservative ever really tried to understand a liberals point of view? Do you understand that we don't have blanket hatred of big business. That most of us don't hate capitalism, or having jobs. That we appreciate a balanced budget. Do you know how tiresome it is to have anything that even remotely looks like helping another person be derided as socialism?
LEB use to complain and complain and complain about being attacked, and it was virtually impossible to get her to see how arrogant and derisive her speech was. I see that problem in a lot of conservatives.
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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Compared to the hypocrites that republicans are? Uh huh...
So glad you're not complaining about your president.
Who gives a sh#t about republicans?
This is the same old "well its not as bad as republicans" comeback...
try to get some new material.
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John M
climber
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You are a weird person I think.
you are on it today Bruce.
cause we want to tax the upper 1 percent less then Reagan did but more then they are now, that appears to mean that we hate them.
because we recognize that they have the majority of the power, thus they have the majority of the responsibility for the recession, that means we hate them..
Because we want to moderate their power.. that means we hate them..
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John M
climber
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Whats worse to me is that the moderate conservatives don't even recognize the hate speech coming out of their party membership.
You dirty little hippy you.. Well. its true isn't it..
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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you are on it today Bruce.
cause we want to tax the upper 1 percent less then Reagan did but more then they are now, that appears to mean that we hate them.
because we recognize that they have the majority of the power, thus they have the majority of the responsibility for the recession, that means we hate them..
Because we want to moderate their power.. that means we hate them..
show me the part where i said you hate them.
you mentioned reagan now i'm surprised you haven't worked romney or bush into the discussion yet...
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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John M,
I do understand that liberals don't have a blanket hatred of business, big or otherwise, any more than conservatives have a blanket hatred of government, big or otherwise. Yes, there are some libertarians whose rhetoric sounds like government is the devil incarnate, and there are some on the left who demonize corporations in the same way. The exception doesn't prove the rule.
I also have enough experience as an advocate to know that vilifying those to whom you address your arguments virtually insures that the audience tunes you out. While I try to train myself to see past that in my opponents, I'm probably no more successful than any other human. Because of that failure, I often miss the chance to acquire real insight into why they have opinions that differ from mine.
I read and comment on the political threads because even those who are relentless in their disdain for conservatives generally, and Republicans in particular (Dr. F. and Joe Hedge, among others, come to mind), often provide thoughtful nuggets and useful quotes or links. Sure it would be easier to disregard those whose insults annoy us, and easier still if no one offered gratuitous provocation, but we're human, and we'd miss a lot by omission. Besides, some of us like the challenge of extracting the signal out of the noise.
John
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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John M is correct, it's the extremest "you are with us or against us" mentality in all of these arguments that is tiresome and pointless.
It seems to have overwhelmed all dialog from the right of the political spectrum.
how about giving us an example?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Try to get some new material.
Uh, no, you try to get some new material....
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Qintl, I thought you were from Berkeley man.
Where you you from?
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John M
climber
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Besides, some of us like the challenge of distracting the signal out of the noise.
then go for it. Me.. I'll sit this one out. I'm probably more conservative then liberal, but I'm tired of the bullshit on both sides. Plus I get tired of you pointing out the attacks against conservative and failing to see the attacks against liberals.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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heh
this thread was conceived as a trainwreck. bookworm is a fake avatar created specifically as a political troll for entertainment on st.
my expectations for this thread were always low. i checked in largely because i figured there was a slight chance of an anonymous rei insider with something to say turning up in the thread. not much of a chance, but heh, keep hope alive.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"I agree with your premise, Bookworm; it will be interesting to see who raises what concerns about this appointment."
Ummm....bookworm's 'premise' was to rub this cabinet choice in the noses of liberals that he believes to be uniformly a bunch of granola-eating, Prius-driving, pot-smoking, welfare-taking losers.
Yes, this is an interesting choice, but why bother responding to a closed-minded ideologue like bookworm?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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REI runs the department of the Interior?
Does this mean I can return a half eaten pizza at the patio for a full refund now?
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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REI blows...
+1
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Does this mean I can return a half eaten pizza at the patio for a full refund now?
Good one! I guess what I really care about now is that there be no change in the Golden Age Passport (or, as jstan calls it, the "Golden Turkey"), since I'm only a few months away from mine.
By the way, the reason I didn't comment about this on the political thread, the way I usually do, is because the identity of the Secretary of the Interior should matter to climbers generally, not merely to those who thrive on political "discussions."
John
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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yeah, there just is NO difference between Repubs and Dems
they are all the same
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Hey, bookworm, what planet does this thing called Hannity live on? I can't get it here on Earth. Can you beam it down? Or send it with Ron the next time he's coming our way.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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No difference between the Dems and Repubs?
Lets revist this discussion in a couple of years and compare and contrast her with this turd
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Booky....Drop your blanket and stop sucking your thumb...Us Democrats are moderates...Okay , stick your thumb back in your mouth and carry on...
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Yes, this is an interesting choice, but why bother responding to a closed-minded ideologue like bookworm?
exactly.... just carry on. bookworms ilk is a dying bread. move on to things that are productive.
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Hardly Visible
Social climber
Llatikcuf WA
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Hey TM Jesse,
Maybe she'll help open our National Parks to more Americans rather than lock them up as scientific relics fenced off to visitors.
what the fuk dude a few weeks ago yer all for keeping a few Pt. Townsend local climbers from climbin on some piece of crap front country rock with a trailer park below it, due to native American interests. Yet, on the other hand you want to open the national park system’s backcountry to every obese Winnebago clad ermerican?
Please explain?
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dirtbag
climber
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The nominee for Interior Secretary:
Yeah, what a dud.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Big Jim woulda been a lock for Interior Secretary if Bobby had not been shot.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Well, you think Big Jim hauled Bobby's azz up Mt Kennedy for nothing?
OK, let me rephrase that: do you think Big Jim got George Senner, Bill Prater,
Dee Molenaar, and Barry Prather to haul Bobby's azz up there for nothing?
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Bruce Babbitt was pretty good. this nominee is lackluster and yet another enviro-disappointment from this presidency.
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dirtbag
climber
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ms55401, did you read that long article posted above? She doesn't sound half bad. Her heart seems to be in the right place, I just hope she has the political skills and deep knowledge of resource management and land laws needed for this position.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apparently, and pathetically, Repugs can't find much to criticize in the qualifications of this Cabinet pick, so all they have left is to try and criticize liberals on a pick they actually support. The very definition of partisan politics.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Trust me. Having met her, she will be a disappointment
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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As an REI vendor since 1994 or so, I do know that the old purchasing agents have been replaced by IBM-Sterling, which does the whole buy/sell thing electronically. However, there have been many, many problems with the software and its operation. For example, about two weeks ago the automated invoicing system broke down for a few days. Now, whether or not REI farmed out their purchasing department in order to be able to fire their purchasing agents is unknown to me at this time. Another good question is whether or not the Sterling system was set up to leverage the small vendors out of the REI family? Sometimes if you're paranoid enough, you begin to detect evil intentions where there is merely technical dysfunction. All I know is that since 1994 there's never been any problems for me doing business with REI, not until this new software ordering and invoicing system was implemented a little over a year ago. These changes certainly do indicate the emergence of a less folksy, more corporate REI.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Meet the new boss/Same as the old boss
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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You want change? Vote Green, or another third party that represents your view. Both of the major political parties are owned by special interests.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Lost
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As I stated earlier, all of the people who think she is great, will be greatly disappointed
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