Snowmobiler Caleb Moore dies after X Games crash

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Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:15am PT
+1000

GDavis and ljohnson!

I've never understood why anybody would get a vehicle capable of taking you hundreds of miles in any direction, and be content to drive the thing around in circles. Up the hill, down the hill, up the hill, down the hill, up the hill, down the hill, getting no where. Like a dog chasing its own tail! Never to travel even a half-mile from where they parked.

Not all of us sled like this either. Some if us use our machines to access the snow on our skis and boards and also I like to ride my sled down the same lines we ski and snowboard! Obviously mostly straightforward chutes and bowls and cornice drops but still amazing!!

Some of us have respect for the snow too, and don't high mark ski slopes because we know what hitting frozen high marks at high speed feels like.


How quickly you paint us all with the same brush!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:20am PT
Ljohnson,

I'm no personal friend of anyone here except Big Mike. Still, if you go back to Kennyt's original sentiment by way of post, it was about the rush to achieve something that had the weight of sponsorship as a driver.

I can only speak for the corporations that have made me do things for money by way of work and they weren't caring and sharing in pursuit of a goal. I'm talking about retail sales as#@&%es.

There is no difference between some middle management coffee whore project manager and a "Sports drink" caffeine dealer project manager party organizer.

The bottom line depends on spectacle for an ideal that only the gifted are able to achieve.

Sponsorship pushes people to do unrealistic things.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:24am PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^

I never argued that though. I agree with that.
Ljohnson

Social climber
The land of ice, snow and rocks
Feb 2, 2013 - 02:31am PT
JBrennan,

Very good point that I did not address in my first point. I absolutely agree with you in that sponsorships make people do dangerous things for the wrong reasons.
I have met a lot of these "Red Bull" type athletes. From my experience, it's about 50/50 between the guys who are just trying to pursue their passion and the guys who have more money oriented motivations.
Ahem...
It took me three tries to say that last part nicely.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Feb 2, 2013 - 04:11am PT
Think about when you were 20-25 years old.

These guys are totally into their motor vehicles and their motor sports. They are happy to be sponsored, and happy to be out there tearing it up.

Did sponsorship drive him to be so foolish that he killed himself? Or did sponsorship allow him to push his limits to the point wher he got killed?

There is a fine line between bravery and foolishness. He crossed that line.

People probably view climbers as a bunch of suicidal freaks. Do you see yourself as a climber and suicidal freak?

Regardless - the outcome was predictable and motor sports are lame. And that's one less snowmobile stinking up the air.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 2, 2013 - 04:22am PT
It's a good idea to pay your own shot and not have to feel your life is something to gamble with in order to fulfill a contract.


Once again Jim B, this is great wisdom.



RIP Caleb. That was really strange to watch & I don't know how I feel about it & how it's so easy to see that moment which seems so inappropriate in this medium.

I agree that this is like soloing.The obvious difference is that there never has been & hopefully never will be an organized, sponsored, mass broadcasted & marketed, globally corporate freesoloing contest.

Not sure what X gheymz can do to prevent this in the future like they say unless they want to take the X out & start broadcasting jenga competitions. If they made a no backflip rule nobody would watch since their entire audience thinks backflips in any form are the most BITCHEN thing ever. Thing that really sucks is that this was likely a stock jump for him & his attention glanced for just a fraction of a second. That's happened to all of us so as Donini said (more wisdom)

Regardless....the passing of a 25 year old, in the prime of his life, is grounds for all to pause and reflect on the fragility of life and the pain that such an event visits on loved ones.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:12am PT
Hmmmm, Thanks for clearing that up Base. And for future reference....

(let's just pretend Kenny is not posting.)
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:37am PT
Lol!
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:43am PT
That is really sad.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:57am PT
Snowmobiling use to be an old farts hobby akin to sitting on one of those coin operated horses in front of k-mart...Now they are seen in the back of every snow-boarding , goggle wearing , trust funders brand new Tundra with urban assault rims ...It's all about the marketing , image , and environemental destruction....Tragic and sad for everyone involved that this young guy had to die doing something so stupid....
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
Bring back real Gladiators! This ghey ESPN shiz is weak.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
Tragic and sad for everyone involved that this young guy had to die doing something so stupid....

RIP John Bachar. Same thing guys.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Pollock Pines, California
Feb 2, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
to sit upon a snow mobile.
your arse is planted upon foam.

your thumb pivots,
the f*#king machine accelerates.
you hit a f*#king jump
your rig flies.
you pull on the handlebars,
your rig spins.

so to summarize:
you sit there,
twiddle your thumb,
and now for the heroic part....

you pull up on the bars!

bang. you're a hero.
the pilot is merely a passenger to physics.

bachar's story is a long and complex
journey towards pysiological and psychological mastery.
the pilot is an author of reality, revised.

shut the f*#k up comparing bachar
with some juiced up youth flipping a machine upon his head.

big mike that there was a
ridiculous attempt to justify
your own hell bent efforts
to glorify a sport where you simply sit upon your fatting asse.
Rolfr

Social climber
North Vancouver BC
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:29am PT
Rain, rain, rain, I donít mind , the weathers fine
I take my umbrella and hide my mind
Live in a world of all my kind
Bobby Fischer pivots his thumbs but is no friend of mine
Iambic pentameter could be a friend of mine
But I canít see past the tribe of mine.

With apologizes to the Beetles.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 3, 2013 - 01:57am PT
Agree to disagree obviously. Respectfully and no disrespect meant to John Bachar. Just another human being who had an unfortunate passing.

Plus infinity Rolf. Thanks.

Pretty sure this is the first time I've disagreed with weege!
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:48am PT
Remember all our friends that didn't make it out of their 20s. Most of us in climbing watched a lot of bright stars go dark. Regardless of the activity, when we were that age, we were wired for craziness and most of us were lucky.

They don't fight wars with senior citizens or old climbers...
xtrmecat

Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
Feb 3, 2013 - 10:05am PT
What a bunch of pantywad posers, posting opinions on topics they not only don't understand, but cannot fathom.

In the sixties, I skied on the edge of insanity, only to have my feats outdone by many by the mid seventies. Way outdone.

In the late eighties, I got into an extreme form of snowmobileing. By the nineties I was professionaly hillclimbing, and doing things with one of those sinful machines considered to be insane and extreme. I even made a few dollars winning in the senior classes. These guys doing what they are doing today, are as out there on the edge as far as any soloist has ever been. The talent and skill is truly mind boggling. To try to understand how far beyond my ability they have gone is nearly impossible for me to comprehend. To a layman or armchair athlete, impossible.


Rest in peace young man, you hung your toes over the edge, more than almost all others. Just came up short to the predictable tragic end.

I slowed down now and took up safer activities in the later years, big wall, etc..

Burly Bob
east side underground

climber
Hilton crk,ca
Feb 3, 2013 - 10:31am PT
Rotting johnny, where's my trust fund?.......eeeyyyyiiii ..... Norweegan....you have no clue , ever ride?

edit: a f*#k all you spadex clad, tassel hatted, skinny/skate ski whinners who cry when thier PERFECTLY GROOMED skate track gets a dog print ( how much diesel does it take for your run?), on public land....... from a snowboarding, goggle clad, snomobiling ( non- trust funder, damn) backcountry rider.......... just kidding.......kinda

edit:edit: except for Maysho.....that man is truley a BAD ASS.....:)
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:15am PT
Eastside....I was talking about Bondo not you , you envious carpentry , slave , bastard...smiley face - bugs bunny sound effect...RJ
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Feb 3, 2013 - 11:16am PT
climbers = environmental sensitivity. Now that's funny!



The wise old owl
He lives in the oak
The more he saw
The less he spoke
The less he spoke
The more he heard
Why can't we be
Like that wise old bird?
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