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Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:36am PT
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:31am PT
Fair Alert: I intend to begin posting more images I find online to balance out the boob ones in these threads.

FWIW, I am NOT against the female body. I saw every image in the Boobs thread, and though there were some images which I would consider art, the majority were the type one finds on those sites that give free images of pretty soft content which include links to get to more graphic stuff(porn). "Gateway" imagery, as it were.

I found some of the texty drooling a little creepy, and also thought that including images out of context to be creepy(the thread was CLEARLY about breasts as a sexual organ, and to post breast-feeding baby pictures in that context was - to me -creepy. I also found the "underage look" images also creepy.

When I saw them I said "No doubt the models are over 18, but it seems to me that the images are styled to provide an impression of underage women as being sexually stimulating." That was what was, to me, creepy.

Note here, that I have indicated these are my opinions - I have as much right to voice my opinion as anyone else here, and at least I am not suggesting that others who don't share my opinion are fat old creepy men who couldn't get with any of those women even if they blinded them with a gold Rolex and then kidnapped them and drove away in a Porshe.

And what is making my blood boil is the really wretched remarks that those who felt the thread was out of place here must be prudes or ugly jealous women. It REALLY pisses me off that these take-down intimidation remarks are almost exclusively aimed at women DESPITE THE FACT that women have been a very minority voice in ths entire discussion. MISOGYNY. And that, in my opinion, is what is at the heart of quite a few of the images posted in the Boobs thread, despite how loudly some proclaim they love women and celebrate the female body.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:51am PT
Terri, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the misogyny aspect, although I agree a lot of the discourse has been unnecessarily unsporting. What chills me the most about boobgate is the profound lack of perspective and humor -- from all quarters. My perspective on the whole thing is grounded and informed by the women I was freinds with, had relationships with, was married too, climbed with, commiserated with, and so on.

Pay special attention to the "history" section; the women who laid the groundwork for this were my good freinds, and I married one of them. And I swear to God Terri, they would roll their eyes at this whole little brouhaha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_wave_feminism#Criticisms
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:59am PT
BVB, I haven't noticed anything you posted that registered on my Pisses Me Off radar. And I am certainly not considering all the Boob Thread proponents to be in one category. I wasn't even really against the boob thread concept, though I knew very clearly how it would develop and end.

But let it be known - I learned from my last images, that they need to be a bit more sexually suggestive to go toe to toe, or Basket to Boob, more aptly, with some of the booby shots.
WBraun

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
happiegrrrl-- "I am NOT against the female body."

Almost impossible to do anyways, since you're a female .....

:-)
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:04pm PT


Happie, you're on fire!!!...


LOL!!!...




EDITED:


I also agree with a lot of what you wrote...





Those last couple to a few shots were to me, questionable...

Even posted as such right before the bomb hit...



As soon as they were posted, I KNEW the thread was TOAST...



DickMcfartin

Ice climber
soewhere over the rainbow....

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
I kinda hate to say it but nothing Happy says does not make perfect sense. I was not so much sad to see the boob thread go although i was enjoying it.

However after the way happy puts it i am all for it being nuked! It was time....
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
Why do people miss a thread with just the boobs? There are pictures that reveal much more than boobs on the internetz. Videos too! Come on guys, do you want some links? That thread never had enough to look at while I whack my mole! So much trouble for so little content lost!
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
This is a really great poem by one of my favorite Olympia poets. She's a 300 lb. Gay Jewish Queercore feminist. Oh, and she's an amputee who is missing one leg. Just thought I's throw that in! I searched all over for an mp3 of her reading this, because it's breathtaking. But here, you can read it. Anyone one with an interest in boobgate that extends beyond our apparent mutual loathing of one another should check out Nomy's sh#t at www.nomylamm.com.

A Girl’s Guide To Doing What You’re Told

By Nomy Lamm

Part 1.

you don’t get to decide what you are
what happens is, you are nothing, and then you pop out
and the doctor says “boy” or else “girl” and that’s that.
for the rest of your life you are trying to be “boy” or else “girl.”

if you are very lucky, you will be called a man
and you will feel like a man and everyone else will think
you are a man and you will do all the things that real
men are supposed to do and you will score lots of chicks.
then you will be on top of the world, the pinnacle of success,
a very powerful person. this is a catch-22 though,
because if you are called a man and you feel like a man
and everyone thinks you are a man and you do all the things
that real men are supposed to do, then chances are
you are a f*#king as#@&%e and i hate you.

if you are called a woman and you feel like a woman
and everyone else thinks of you as a woman and you do all the things
that real women are supposed to do, then you are probably miserable.

if, like most people, you lie somewhere in between or beyond,
then you are also probably miserable.
(tough life.)

Part 2.

The First Thing You Have to Do if You Want to Be a Woman Is Be Pretty.

this is simple.
To be pretty, all you need is to fulfill at least three of these requirements:
(a) a great tan; (b) long legs (two of them); (c) blonde; (d) perky tits;
(e) button nose; (f) smooth skin; (g) slender waist; (h) stare dumbly;
(i) you are a doll; (j) a shimmery lip gloss; (k) a can of diet coke;
(l) a short skirt; (m) be on television

okay, count your points.
don’t worry if you didn’t quite make it
being pretty is all in the mind.
do this exercise:
every night before you go to sleep,
look in the mirror and say
“please god, you can take away all my friends and family,
make me into a moron,
send me to hell when i die, just please,
make me as beautiful as tori spelling.”
if you don’t want to look like tori spelling then too bad for you
because it doesn’t work any other way.
when you wake up you will be pretty.

Part 3.

your body is a whole entire beautiful magical universe
of its own, exactly right and perfect.
i know that this is not what you have been taught, but it is The Truth.
how could anything so incredible ever be denigrated,
scoffed at, invaded, discounted, spat on, violated, ridiculed?
your body is magic.

what you are thinking now is:
why was i told to look at charts, diagrams, scales
and teen magazines to tell me what is wrong with me?
why wasn’t i told to trust myself?
why did they make me feel like a horrifying ugly
pathetic puking loathsome monster,
if the truth is that i am magic?

as woman, you must learn to identify as an object.
you must learn to be objectified, made ugly and disgusting,
but not in a way that is powerful or frightening to them—
you will be made ugly in a putrid, rotting way.
your soul is the first to rot.
then your heart, then your mind, then your flesh…
whatever is left is the magical part that will live forever.
this is the part of you that is eternal.
your silicone implants.
matisse

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
I've wanted to post this for days now.

I didn't grow up in the USA and I'm not offended by nudity.
Maybe I missed the offending photos, I wasn't breathlessly reloading the thread every 25 seconds and I missed the t*r stuff at the end
The boobgate makes me profoundly depressed.

Depressed because images of women in modern north american society are so distorted that most people don't know what real tits look like anymore. Any photo that doesn't have at least a C cup is assumed to be coming from a prepubescent girl. Now that is really creepy.

Be that as it may, it also makes me depressed because although there is clearly diversity of opinion from both men and women about how they found the images, the deletion of the thread has unleashed the most amazing torrent of misogynist bullsh#t. Any women who dares to disagree with you guys is vilified and heaped with derogatory adjectives.

You crusty old farts should stop. your. fvcking. whinging. long. enough. to. take. a. good. hard. look. in. the. fvcking. mirror. and. ask. yourself. why. the. women. don't. want. to. play. with. you. anymore.

Your behavior now is way more offensive than photos could ever be.


Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
Fair Alert: I intend to begin posting more images I find online to balance out the boob ones in these threads.

Yup. That whole "Boobs" thread was a one-sided affair that was doomed from the start. And Terrie's not the only one to think that some balance is required. I was thinking of starting a "Dicks" thread as a sort of counterweight to the boobs thread (which was started by a woman). This would outrage some of the men, probably lead to argument, threats, thread-nukings, bannings, and possibly even some snickering.

But then, in a moment of enlightenment, I realized I didn't have to do that. That the _real_ solution had already been provided for us. A thread featuring photos guaranteed to be both sexy as hell, and yet completely gender-neutral. You can check out the thread here, or just scroll down (after checking to make sure that your boss is not in the room)...






Locker-style scroll-down in progress...













Keep going....
















There. Now you can all be equally outraged.
There. Now you can all be equally outraged.


Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
You crusty old farts should stop. your. fvcking. whinging. long. enough. to. take. a. good. hard. look. in. the. fvcking. mirror. and. ask. yourself. why. the women. don't. want. to. play. with. you. anymore.

Mirror de Carnival.

DMT
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
Any women who dares to disagree with you guys is vilified and heaped with derogatory adjectives.

I'm not getting this either. What's wrong with people? Is it because it's winter and they can't climb? Angry, sexually frustrated men who don't know ho to find porn unless it's served up on their lap? If you want to look at this stuff, it's not hard to find.

How could anyone seriously believe that it was an appropriate thread on supertopo? Everytime I logged on and saw the thread was still active, I was surprised that it still hadn't been deleted yet.

I also don't understand why t*r was deleted. There may have been some history there, because I don't see why she would be deleted for nuking a thread like that.

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
Actually, there is some history there. The act got old, so they shot her down. That's how it goes...
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:37pm PT


Corrrect me if I am mistaken (Sh!t I am totally sucked into this crap now... LOL!!! or fuking BORED or both...)...

But didn't she "Nuke" more than one thread???...

I recall there being at least, two...

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
Nukes, random deletions & repostings, vast edits, etc. I expect it got tiresome...
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
Nukes, random deletions & repostings, vast edits, etc. I expect it got tiresome...

Somehow t*r never bothered me. I don't see how deleting stuff is offensive. This forum would probably be a better place if more of (including me) deleted more stuff that we thought better of.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
The simple questions you should always ask yourself before hitting the 'post this reply' button are whether the post positively contributes to the debate/subject, and whether you'd say it to the faces of those participating. If you can't say "yes" to both questions, don't post at all.

That's why I hang my full name out there on most all sites I would post on.
It makes you think before you put it out there. Posters who are way hung up on anonymity and like to just let 'er rip on the forums have no real backfire for anything they say. Just a dopey observation..

Caylor
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
Agreed Hank. I generally attach little-to-zero weight to posts by people who choose to remain utterly nameless and faceless. They are just random strangers who I may as well be overhearing while I take a crap in a public lavatory.
matisse

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
some of us just don't want to have our climbing life mixed up with work. Personally I don't post anything that I don't want my name attached to, I just don't want it accessible via google to some random medical school applicant. it is really that simple.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
As usual, Anders, you hit the posting etiquette nail on the head. When I read some posts, I think that we actually post with less thought than we speak.

I must admit, though, I still can't get past the title of this thread. How could anything in a climbing forum be a serious matter?

John
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
Oh Matisse, I know. Point is I know who you are, we have mutual freinds. I was referring to those REAL mysto types about who I know absolutely nothing, never post photos, you can't even tell where they climb.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
There's no doubt that some people - usually 'adolescent' males - indulge in behaviour on SuperTopo which they would never dare to in person around a campfire. Or, if they did, they'd immediately suffer the consequences. It gets tiresome, and seems to be increasing.

No wander I have no friends ;)

Can we just stop this embarrassing discussion? The Boob thread was a JOKE. I was surprised it ran that long.
How come some people get offended so easily? Don’t be so SERIOUS about yourselves!



STFUAGC!!!
matisse

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
Phew.
I was about to be wounded because I <3 the american legend.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
I was about to be wounded because I <3 the american legend.

But you ARE, in France, right ;)

Work on your anger. Not healthy!
matisse

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
^^^^. Not particularly angry. See if I speak out I am an angry woman.
if no one (i.e. women) called men on their sh#t they would just be full of it all the time.
John M

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
I was about to be wounded because I <3 the american legend.

As his pseudo imaginary press agent, I can assure you that the american legend loves you to.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
You crusty old farts should stop. your. fvcking. whinging. long. enough. to. take. a. good. hard. look. in. the. fvcking. mirror. and. ask. yourself. why. the. women. don't. want. to. play. with. you. anymore.

ouch. even I wouldn't have said that. 8]
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
Oh Matisse, I know. Point is I know who you are, we have mutual freinds. I was referring to those REAL mysto types about who I know absolutely nothing, never post photos, you can't even tell where they climb.

That is EXACTLY what I meant, and to nobody specific. Just generally.

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas

Jan 24, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Pick up a surf, skate, snowboard, motorcycle mag and see the difference. There's more tits and ass in one surf mag than all issues of climbing combined.

warbler gets the best quote from a thread award.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
Yes, Anders' etiquette lesson is perfect, theoretically. Unfortunately that's not how it goes on in real or virtual life. Everyone standing mouths off or douchebags it up on occasion.

Regret at saying or typing something stupid, or regret that being right wasn't worth hurting someone, Is a refreshing slap of humility.
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
It's not really THAT serious.
Seriously!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
Matisse, we are full of it most of the time. It's for that reason the good counsel of women is appreciated.

froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon

Jan 24, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
You crusty old farts should stop. your. fvcking. whinging. long. enough. to. take. a. good. hard. look. in. the. fvcking. mirror. and. ask. yourself. why. the. women. don't. want. to. play. with. you. anymore.

Misandry, clear misandry!

;-)
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
Phew.
I was about to be wounded because I <3 the american legend.

Why is it I sense I am being mocked here.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 24, 2013 - 04:01pm PT


<<< currently reaching for a piece of HOLSUM WHITE BREAD...
matisse

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
^^^^ not being mocked at all.
you have your fans
:)
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started

Jan 24, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
not being mocked at all.
you have your fans

No kidding. And do you know who is his biggest fan? check this out...

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6073477
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland

Jan 24, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
Ghost, you made my day!

LOL!
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
and what's with this "G-d" stuff? and in the same paragraph as "sex". doesn't win you any brownie points. god could well be pissed at you for leaving the vowel out. the hebrews did that too, and lookit what happened to them--given one of the worst patches of territory in the mideast and told it was "the promised land", kicked the heck outa egypt, which really had the choice real estate, and they didn't even get a desert full of oil, the bonus for faith in allah. and whatever happened to yahweh and elohim? could it be that god has an identity crisis? right around that corner, i'll bet you find a process theologian.


More for Tony ...


The Hebrew's, The Jews, Israel, The Chosen People of G-d were chosen to bring the word of G-d to the World, and to bring The Messiah to the World, and thereby bless the whole World. They have been carrying the water for G-d for thousands of years. They have responsibilities that no other people on Earth have. Out of respect they don't say the personal name of G-d, or write it out, but only use the 4 Hebrew letters, or use the English pronunciation.

The Tetragrammatron:

"As Jews are forbidden to say or write the Tetragrammaton in full, when reading the Torah they use the term Adonai.[5] Christians do not have any prohibitions on vocalizing the Tetragrammaton; in most Christian translations of the Bible, "LORD" is used in place of the Tetragrammaton after the Hebrew Adonai, and is written with small capitals (or in all caps) to distinguish it from other words translated "Lord"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton


For teaching purposes only ...

The letters YHVH, "Yod-Hey-Vod-Hey."

In Hebrew it would be written and read right to left, but of course using the Hebrew letters:

Hey-Vod-Hey-Yod <--- HVHY <



Why?

Out of respect for G-d. Also his commandments tell us not to take his name in vain. The Jews and Judaism are brilliant. Perhaps now you know why we type or right G-d, so as not to take his name in vain. Respect.

G-d has many, many names. But we are not to use his personal name out or respect. Like Judaic Jews, like Messianic Judaic Jews, Christians would be very wise to do the same.



There is something very special about The Promised Land. Not sure you'd understand. It's not about material wealth. Talk to a Messianic Judaic Rabbi. They'll let you know.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
Also his commandments

His? God is a guy? The creator of the Universe is an anthropomorphized human-type male, you know, with a penis and everything? Wow! Given the millions and millions of intelligent species that no doubt exist in a universe with 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 galaxies, each galaxy with 10,000,000,000,000 stars, well golly, aren't we male humans special! w00t w00t!

Still waiting for you to get back to me on Leviticus, Klimmer. Me and my brothers have this pile of big rocks gathered and we're ready to stone my father to death, but we wanted you to green light us first.

Thanks!
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
Hey Klimmer, the Bartlett character poses some interesting questions in this clip that have been gnawing at me for decades. Could you get back to me and clue me in? Thanks!


Bvb,

I watched it. So much wrong there it's stupefying. Where to begin? The ignorance is over whelming.


The Torah, The Tenach, The Old Covenant, The Old Testament was given to separate and instruct a people of Adonai, Israel, The Jews. G-d wanted a special people who lived by a higher standard and to be unlike the World and to be absolutely separate from the World. It was harsh, but it was just.

Judaic Jews, Messianic Judaic Jews are responsible for 613 Commandments. No one is ever going to fulfill them all perfectly, except the one who did, Yeshua HaMashiach. Judaic and Messianic Judaic Jews are responsible to keep them, but where we fail, Yeshua HaMashaich for Messianic Judaic Jews makes up the difference.

Also there is a New Covenant and it was promised to come in the Old Covenant. It's here now. All believers under the saving sacrificial blood of the Lamb of G-d, Yeshua HaMashaich have the blood of Jesus covering and forgiving their sin.

We are no longer under the curse of The Law, the punishment of The Law. We are guilty and deserve death, but the Angel of Death passes over those who believe in Yeshua and have the blood of the Lamb of G-d covering their sins. We are forgiven, as we likewise forgive others. No stone throwing now required. It's about forgiveness. We won't suffer the second death. Just as the Angel of Death passed over the homes in Egypt that had the blood of the sacrificial lamb covering the door lentil saving their first born son from death (major foreshadow of better things to come). You can't earn it, buy it, it's a gift of G-d. You just have to ask him for it.

By the way, Gentile believers are responsible for and are to keep the Noahic Laws, and The Law of Moses, The 10 Commandments. They are not responsible for all 613 Commandments. That is only meant for The Jews, G-d's Chosen.

Like I told Tony, go and talk with a Messianic Judaic Rabbi and get learned, if you truly want to know and are not just pretending. I'm guessing you're just being sarcastic and you really don't want to know.

bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
Fascinating deconstruction, Klimmer. Did L. Ron Hubbard help with that, or did your companions from the Moon crash site write it for you? BTW, it made no sense whatsoever in the context of my question. But my mom is a biblical scholar, you know, Seminary and all that? She's sitting about ten feet from me right now so I'll ask her to interpret it for me.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
Is your mother a Messianic Judaic Rabbi?

I've had to relearn much regarding my faith.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
No, but I have several in-laws who are, and I was married by a Rabbi in a traditional fashion under a Chuppah. Still got the Yarmulke to prove it.

Just sayin', you big old incoherent Daube wannabe you.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
Bvb,

Good to hear. So talk to your Messianic Judaic in-laws. As you know most Judaic Jews haven't accepted Yeshua HaMashiach as The Messiah.

They will in time. G-d says he's going to save all of Israel and he will remove the partial covering from they're eyes to do so.

:-))
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
Klimmer,
You are quite self satisfied. All the Jews I know have stepped beyond dogma and just lend a hand communally through providing food, offering social services and not being a douchebag in service of the unknown.

You should try it some time, it's like being something you aspire to...
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
We are guilty and deserve Death?!?!
I don't recall ever asking to exist. Hence, Not guilty.
It's not my fault.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
Skully what are you thinking ?

You deserve to die because you don't tow the line.

The line has been set and described by those who don't have to go to school. They just have to seem intelligent by being uninformed through ignorance of other people. Academic rigour is for those smarty pants book learnin' smarty pants types.

God help the true believer types who feel funny in the face of logic. They obviously weren't truly believing or hitched up with the wrong horse.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
Klimer,
You are quite self satisfied. All the Jews I know have stepped beyond dogma and just lend a hand communally through providing food, offering social services and not being a douchebag in service of the unknown.

You should try it some time, it's like being something you aspire to...


"You are quite self satisfied."

Hardly. Not even. I've got a tonne ahead to learn, changes to make, and things to do. Coming into Messianic Judaism is all very new to me, but I'm learning fast. I've been a believer since the 70s. Much is being clarified for me in my faith and my walk with Adonai.

Yes, its called doing Mitzvah, which is all good and necessary. However, you can't work your way to heaven on good deeds and good works alone. No one is worthy enough.

Mitzvah without faith is dead. Those who do so are trying to work their way to Heaven. Can't be done. Yes, good works must flow out of faith and a love for G-d. But if you do mitzvah and don't have faith in G-d, in Yeshua HaMashiach, it gets you no where. Faith in Yeshua and good works from the well of faith and love for him are what's pleasing to G-d.

Be careful, I'm not saying good works aren't wonderful. They are. It's what the world needs more of. But it won't get you into Heaven by its-self. Faith in Yeshua HaMashiach's saving grace through his redemptive blood covering our sins, plus good works as a manifest of your faith gets you before G-d.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
Redeeming blood equals triumphant faith in death of something...

You have not said anything about being humble through service on this earth personally.

You have only stomped around, talking about how you know how it ends for those people who do the right thing instead of the righteous thing.

Party on, Klimmer !
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA

Jan 24, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
klimmer, here's why i think you're on the wrong track. no decent god would be a divisive god. your god plays favorites, chooses its minions, turns its back on the rest of its creation. it also pussies around with erroneous "revelations" about the universe and our place in it. it also does not create a decent, wholesome culture. a good god would be smart enough to do that. nothing follows this god around except the compulsion to believe things which probably aren't very important, and a playing of favorites--and, i daresay, a taste for flattery--which strike me as being flat-out without class. and many moral wrongs are done in its name. i think you've been suckered, bro.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:09pm PT
You have not said anything about being humble through service on this earth personally.


Jim,

You don't know me. To say what I do personally in terms of good works, mitzvah, would be tooting my own horn and that wouldn't be humble. I won't tell you. It speaks for itself in silence.

Why do you seek the accolades of men? Why not do it because it is the right thing to do, and that it pleases G-d?


Matthew 6:3 (KJV)
"But when thou doest alms, let not thy
left hand know what thy right hand doeth:"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_6:3



Tony,

Where did all your faith go? What happened? You were raised a Catholic. Why do you turn your back on it all? Wasn't there something worth keeping?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
Sounds good...

Except you have chosen to post condemnation and grace in proscribed measure to those you feel deserve it.

If you want to be some one who just does it for the good of all, why not shut up entirely and let nascent common sense rule ?

Oh yeah,excuse me, that darned evangelist stuff knows no comfort.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:18pm PT
Forgive me for breaking in …I’m impressed by some of the things you’re posting, Klimmer. I thought you were a salvation by faith alone kind of gentleman... apologies for not paying attention.

The Bible is pretty clear that there needs be a balanced relationship between our faith and its expression in good works.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
Jim,

G-d, Yeshua HaMashaich tells believers to go and tell the World "The Good News." It's not about condemnation. It's about forgiveness and life. Yet you say, "shut up."

Who should I listen to?

I think you know the answer.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
The boobs thread has morphed into The Trial.


God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe says, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
God say, "No." Abe say, "What ?"
God say, "You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin' you better run"


Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
The Bible is pretty clear that there needs be a balanced relationship between our faith and its expression in good works.

Jennie,

Yes it does.

;-))
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
you know, when you scroll through this crap randomly, it's really entertaining.


it's like Fellini-Topo.


thank you Chris Mac, thank you.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
In other words, just shut up and act responsibly, like everyone else who does good things but doesn't blow Gabriel's horn for him.

SHOCK ! ! ! some are athiest and nice towards others at the same time. I'm sure you will make that out to being something they didn't think they were...

Self satisfied as#@&%e !


Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
In other words, just shut up and act responsibly, like everyone else who does good things but doesn't blow Gabriel's horn for him.

SHOCK ! ! ! some are athiest and nice towards others at the same time. I'm sure you will make that out to being something they didn't think they were...

Self satisfied as#@&%e !


We are told by G-d to tell others the Good News. No way around that. It's what believers do. And we were told, the World will hate the message you tell them, because they hated me (Yeshua HaMashiach) first.

There are many wonderful people and atheists who don't believe. They do wonderful works and they don't let others know, and they are very humble in their manners. Awesome.

Should I not tell these wonderful people that the road is washed out ahead and that they will drive off the cliff and perish if they don't get the message to stop and turn around? What kind of a person or child of Adonai would I be if I didn't say something to help them?

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
Blah - f*#king blah as said by the profit Blah.

Your take on it all is anchored in the belief that you will wind up some where better than your personal laziness dictates. What a crime in the face of reality.

But don't let the great whatever equal logic, that would be be like accepting reason.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
I am waiting for this Thread
to turn into a serious Political Thread.

Edit
WBraun

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
better than your personal laziness dictates

How do you know he's lazy?

You don't know.

Why do you project your runaway mind onto others?
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
Blame Tony.

He said this thread is all about "a serious matter."

It sure is.



Lol.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:11pm PT


Credit: bvb


zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
Abridged version:

Someone must have been telling lies about Josef K., he knew he had done nothing wrong but, one morning, he was arrested.
...
the hands of one of the gentleman were laid on K.'s throat, while the other pushed the knife deep into his heart and twisted it there, twice. As his eyesight failed, K. saw the two gentlemen cheek by cheek, close in front of his face, watching the result. "Like a dog!" he said, it was as if the shame of it should outlive him.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
I don't know Werner...

I do know this certain individual likes to spurt forward in comforting tones of wash that may come up hard against Thought - action = Zero.

Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
Should I not tell these wonderful people that the road is washed out ahead and that they will drive off the cliff and perish if they don't get the message to stop and turn around?

Well, that's an interesting question. Here's one way to think about it:

Sometime around twenty years ago a bridge on the highway between Vancouver and Squamish washed out in an intense rainstorm. It was pitch black, raining like the end of the world, and several cars drove right into the chasm and were carried down to the sea. Then one guy somehow saw the washout in time to stop. He parked his vehicle across the road, to let others know that the were in danger of driving off the cliff and perishing. He saved some lives. But, of course, some drivers who saw his pickup truck sideways in the road in front of them just swerved around it and... and perished.

So, a parable of sorts. Klimmer gets in our way to warn us of the doom ahead, thereby saving those who will listen from damnation.

But there's another side of this to be considered. What of the man who cries "Fire" in the crowded theater? What of the lunatic who blocks our path screaming of monsters that will devour us if we don't turn around?

What would you -- you, Glenn Klimmer -- say to a man who blocked your path into the school you teach at, screaming that there were dinosaurs inside who would rend you limb from limb if you did not acknowledge the supremacy of the Lizard Men from Alpha Centauri?

That man, the tormented soul who is blocking your path, and screaming of the Lizard People, or just screaming unintelligible obscenities, is just as sincere in his beliefs as you are, and yet you would have no problem calling him insane, right?

Do you understand what most of us see when you tell us we are damned if we don't acknowledge the supremacy of your god?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
Reason is a hard thing to face to the spiritual.

There's nothing wrong in couching ideals in spirituality. There is something wrong with not making sense accordingly.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
get serious right here, if you have the stamina

Jason Richards (familysurvivalcourse.com)

http://clickserv.sitescout.com/clk/da1cc179bbe75db0/3b63459c3ad92ce7/1-14539/0/www.vemba.com%2Fi%2F//cidentMTI1MTREMDhBMDFFQkRCNTJEMkY3NEE4NEY0NTFGMzIvLy8v
dirtbag

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
Indeed...this is very, very serious sheet.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
Oh f*#k,

Just be nice if you can afford it and have no expectation for reward going forward.

Stupid Americans...
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
It's not that serious, man. Seriously.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
Sure lots of name calling and bullying, and it's not coming from me.

Is it possible that you guys can ever debate or argue nicely? Ever?

In a official debate format you guys lose just by the shear amount of bullying you do.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
Geeze... I go on vacation and look at this!

As you can see I have not been banned. Instead we were in Montana climbing ice, skiing, having the kid play in snow, you know... The stuff that this forum is suppose to be about.

Two... The Boob thread IS a joke. It is a distraction from the gun thread and yes I knew it would eventually get nuked because that is ST's nature. It's nothing to argue about, point fingers over, name call, etc.

Maybe we need to start a thread on Beer! No, no, NO! Dear lord I am not encouraging alcoholism or driving drunk, etc. Can a thread just be for fun, EVER?



locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:59pm PT


This thread went to religion...

Serious mistake!!!...

slayton

Trad climber
Here and There

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
No name calling from me but there can be no debate concerning faith, ZERO, between a true believer who thinks to the point of certainty that his is the one and only true path and those who don't share that faith.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
Then maybe I should start a thread on wine! Jesus knew about good wine.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
Presumption is a weak point of argument Klimmer.

Thinking expediently that there is only one path out of universal suffering makes you look simple concerning solutions to what matters.

Maybe a deeply held volition doesn't make the grade in reality.
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
"...there can be no debate concerning faith, ZERO, between a true believer who thinks to the point of certainty that his is the one and only true path and those who don't share that faith."

Worth repeating.

One serious reason we have so many problems in the world today.

Also; "...Do you understand what most of us see when you tell us we are damned if we don't acknowledge the supremacy of your god?"

I thought this was a reasonable question, and am curious what Klimmer's answer would be.

cheers
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:22pm PT


This is getting pretty serious...



Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
It is faith based on physical empirical evidence. And not just a little bit, but a great overwhelming mass of physical evidence.

It's not a blind faith.

What will you all say when it comes to pass just as Yeshua foretold it all would?








Great men (and women) believe in G-d and the Bible, and know Jesus Christ, Yeshua HaMashiach:


Copernicus

Tycho Brahe

Johannes Kepler

Galileo



Newton







George Washington







Even Einstein to a large degree . . .






Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
Ah, never mind.
I guess a reasonable answer to a reasonable question was too much to expect (see the first part of my post).

"What will you all say when it comes to pass just as Yeshua foretold it all would?"

Probably the same thing you'd say if it doesn't come to pass. But that's just a wild guess.

cheers

toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
-


a serious matter...


vvv
vv
v

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n271/douggells/haunted-1.jpg


-

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Well, that answered a simple but naturally hard question Klimmer.

I should look for academic regimen by enrolling in the Bob Jones University of discredited bullsh#t. There can be nothing more defiantly American in the face of truth that one could ever pine for.

Joking aside, I have to ask, What the f*#k ?

There is a book, the only BOOK that can be waved in the face of idiots. Sounds good. Except a lot of people need reality to have an acid test as it applies to reality VS BULLSH#T .

I'm still hopeful that water can be turned to Wine. Every wedding I've been to had a religiously squelching cash bar. Lead me to salvation...
zeta

Trad climber
Portland, OR

Jan 24, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
I've been away from ST for a long while and once I saw this thread, I remembered why I stopped reading this forum. As was so eloquently expressed below:

And what is making my blood boil is the really wretched remarks that those who felt the thread was out of place here must be prudes or ugly jealous women. It REALLY pisses me off that these take-down intimidation remarks are almost exclusively aimed at women DESPITE THE FACT that women have been a very minority voice in ths entire discussion. MISOGYNY. And that, in my opinion, is what is at the heart of quite a few of the images posted in the Boobs thread, despite how loudly some proclaim they love women and celebrate the female body.

Be that as it may, it also makes me depressed because although there is clearly diversity of opinion from both men and women about how they found the images, the deletion of the thread has unleashed the most amazing torrent of misogynist bullsh#t. Any women who dares to disagree with you guys is vilified and heaped with derogatory adjectives.

You crusty old farts should stop. your. fvcking. whinging. long. enough. to. take. a. good. hard. look. in. the. fvcking. mirror. and. ask. yourself. why. the. women. don't. want. to. play. with. you. anymore.

I'm no prude, I'm a real climber, and while I don't get bent out of shape about nudity (or pictures of boobs), it's the unbelievable onslaught of shitty comments that come up on this forum about women that has driven this woman climber away from Supertopo.
toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 24, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
it's the unbelievable onslaught of shitty comments that come up on this forum about women


well, maybe this time you won't "forget" why you left this Forum because now all the drunken old men are drooling at tittay pics of 12-year-old girls while chokin their lizards too
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
Zeta,

It isn't as bad as you make it out to be. The real rub has nothing to do with gender.

It has everything to do with bias. Giving credence to the headstrong musings of a proven neophyte can lead to anything goes as long as the aggrieved neo delivers ascent to legislation.

I think all here would rather not have to face the self imposed,unprepared arbiter.

The Empress has no Clothes as it's said, sort of...

locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 24, 2013 - 10:49pm PT



...


Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!

Jan 24, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
Careful, Jim.

my Mother and all her brothers,
graduated from Bob Jones University.
:)

She was in the same graduating class as Billy Graham.
All my Uncles on her side were Ministers.

Edit
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
Summary so far:


Boys will be boys

And the womenfolk don't always like it.

Sometimes they overreact and get all emotional.

And some guys are quick to comfort them.

Others think it's funny


What else is new?






Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
I don't know how that fits in Cosmic, because Billy was exceptionally to the point and for us scoffers, kinda cool for his uncompromising state of mind.

Look up Bernice Gerard who led an evangelistic path to politics by way of condemning the nude beach at the shores of Point Grey in Vancouver.

Love or hate her, she was the real thing when it came to respecting a point of view.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
ken m says t*r ought to have complained to chrismac first, or perhaps have gone to the police. i have a little scientific experiment for him. google "teen porn", and then dial 9-1-1.

Tony, I appreciate what you are trying to say.

I just want to clarify that what I said was that an appropriate action was to complain to CM as a first step (which I don't know happened or not-but speaking generically). She chose the nuke route, but by my reading of the evidence of what occurred, she did not choose to complain to the ISP, nor call the police either of which she could have done, but did not.....and both of which most of us would have considered over the top.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
And boys, posting cheesecake photos is not in any way related to climbing, either. So if you are so profound in your purity of maintaining climbing only, you have no basis to support non-climbing photo work, either.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
So Ken M,

If I post a picture of a former GF, topless while climbing,should I call a lawyer or a massage therapist ?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
Geeze... I go on vacation and look at this!

As you can see I have not been banned. Instead we were in Montana climbing ice, skiing, having the kid play in snow, you know... The stuff that this forum is suppose to be about.

Two... The Boob thread IS a joke. It is a distraction from the gun thread and yes I knew it would eventually get nuked because that is ST's nature. It's nothing to argue about, point fingers over, name call, etc.

Maybe we need to start a thread on Beer! No, no, NO! Dear lord I am not encouraging alcoholism or driving drunk, etc. Can a thread just be for fun, EVER?

Anastasia, I think your post trivializes what happened. At least two women were highly offended enough to quit, and at least several others were also highly offended and the outcome is not yet clear.

I'm not really aware of a thread that has had that effect.

I don't think that anyone questions your intent, but as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

"The community" seems to be upset that members quit because they have been insulted and disrespected, and reduced to their sexual utility.

The import of your thread seemed to be that the value of women in a climbing community is as decoration and convenient sex objects.

I wonder if you'd find offense if a thread was posted whose import was blacks are valued in climbing as n*ggers....even if meant as over-the-top funny. Ha ha? I think you wouldn't.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
If I post a picture of a former GF, topless while climbing,should I call a lawyer or a massage therapist ?

I'm not sure what scum who do that should do. Personally, I view it as a sexual assault. I'd wonder why any woman would every trust someone who did that for anything, ever.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:38am PT
__



^^^

Big time, OFF PUTTING!!!...

Between the size of the pad, the super small bike, and your newly discovered HUGE fuking head...

that is an ODD shot...

The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:39am PT
Stick a fork in it.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:42am PT
Part-time Dworkin, you present yourself as educated. Could you please comment on the Newtonian reality faced by actors ?



And no, I refuse to wear Chauvin by Calvin Klein.

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:47am PT
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:09am PT
First of all Ken... I was actually gone for eleven days in the mountains where everyone should be going "often." I was not here for the drama so I have no idea what the heck happened and honestly am glad since the subject matter was in humor. Seams that it doesn't matter if it is about guns, politics, bolts, boobs, etc. Seams ST Folks will beat each other up with anything.


Two... I did not trivialize, mistreat or name call anyone. I did not post anything rude or condescending, therefore I will not take responsibility for that. If someone did, it shows their idiocy.

Three... Yes, this drama is stupid. People who twist things into ugliness are stupid and yes... That is juvenile. If I had been around, I would have deleted the thread for Chris Mac myself.

Such silliness... Very astounding.


Meow Now

Trad climber
Emerald City

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:09am PT
Why did all those women click on a thread knowing its content would severely offend them? That is what I just can't wrap my head around. Drama! Oh, yes, boobs have never been shown on ST prior to Anastasia's thread. Time to move on from this nonsense bacause it's really not that big of a deal...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:15am PT
Great to hear, meow, that you will not be clicking on my thread celebrating female castration. It's so nice to know that you support anything that you don't want to know about.

I think that slavery can be fun, too. Sorry you won't be reading about it. The volunteer work I've done in trying to eradicate slavery is important, at least I think so. You don't, I guess, because by keeping it off your screen, for you, it doesn't exist.

Others don't take your view of what happens in a community, but it is large enough for those who care, and those who don't.
Meow Now

Trad climber
Emerald City

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:16am PT
Ken, please calm down. You need to breathe... The issue is in regards to a thread posted BOOBS... Period. Dont get off subject.

And Ken, please, stay away from European beaches. We all run around with no tops... I would not want you to have a nervous breakdown or anything while on vacation.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:22am PT
Two... I did not trivialize, mistreat or name call anyone. I did not post anything rude or condescending, therefore I will not take responsibility for that. If someone did, it shows their idiocy.

Actually, Anastasia, I think you are trivializing.

You created a thread that went in a bad direction. It caused people to quit in a fashion that seems unprecedented.

You now state it wasn't your intent (which I believe), and that it's not your fault (which is mostly true), so it doesn't matter and isn't important. Even though there are hundreds of posts on the issue at this point.

That is the definition of trivializing.

triv·i·al·ize
/ˈtrivēəˌlīz/
Verb
Make (something) seem less important, significant, or complex than it really is
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:23am PT
Ken???

WTF is castration having to do with boobs? I don't get the connection and... Seriously, are topless female sunbathers needing to be saved from slavery?

Oh my gosh, am I being enslaved by my husband when I'm breast feeding my child? Really???

This has no logic. None... Actually kind of funny if you think about it.
You objectify women as being without free will, as being helpless victims.

I and my kind are not helpless, we are not victims and we have free will. If we choose to use our bodies for gains, what makes it different from a male body builder, a male model? Saying women are being victimized IS sexist.

Anyway... I'm done and yes... I'll stick to my original view, this is STUPID.

STUPID fights like this is what drive people away. Heck, I am just another woman being bashed. Are you guys targeting us gals or is this just part of the random STUPID.
Meow Now

Trad climber
Emerald City

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:27am PT
+++++2 for Anastasia...

Ken, You have some serious issues...don't know how else to define your lack of logic.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:36am PT
Meow, my asthma is doing well this evening, thanks!

concrete thinking
Psychiatry Cognition that reflects experience, rather than abstraction, typical of those who are unable to generalize

You don't appear to understand the point of my post, which is in response to your post that "you don't understand".

I take it that you actually do understand, but are using that phraseology to avoid discussing the issue directly. People often do that when they feel inadequate to the task. I have no idea if that applies to you in this situation.

Maybe you don't understand. Why would someone take a look into a thread that upsets them, then take an action about it?

Because some people care how others are treated. some care how THEY are treated.

I appreciate that you aren't good with abstract thoughts, but how would you respond to a thread that had a title "Meow is sh*t?" Surely, there would be a bunch of upsetting stuff in there, and you are so mature as to ignore it. But not too many people would. By the way, I would not be tolerant of such a thread about you.

I hope this explains, in a clear fashion, why some people who belong to this community are somewhat intolerant to class disparagement of others in the community.
Fletcher

Trad climber
The great state of advaita

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:39am PT
Good lord, this has taken me two bowls of popcorn to read through!

Anastasia, love how you can cut directly through the crap and get to the gist of it all! Good on ya. Done with style and a healthy sense of humor (self and otherwise)! As always. :-)

Anyway, I just happened to come across a video that pretty much sums up (if that is possible) how these wacky threads seem to always end up:



Hee hee!

Anastasia has expressed the key element: go do something outside (the weather or season is no excuse especially fer all you tough guys!), preferably for extended periods of time. And take a look in the mirror and have a good laugh. I do it all the time!

Love y'all all!

Eric
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:42am PT
Ken M I would check with your doctor, you are definitely a candidate for TRT.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:44am PT
So I am inadequate?

Now YOU are being condescending and exactly the kind of person you claim to be trying to save us from.

Don't try to twist this into something of "you don't get my higher thinking" or you must be avoiding the subject.

I simply got you beat.


AFS

P.S.

You really are being very rude. Plus by disrespecting my intelligence... Seriously, what kind of woman's rights activist are you if YOU can Treat Me, a Female like a small stupid child? Your treatment of ME again shows that you have no understanding of respecting others that you are preaching. Try it yourself... Heck, try it on me before expecting others to take your high and mighty preaching of being sensitive seriously.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:49am PT
It's OK Ana, some people are really just crazy and you can't change them. 70 more years on this planet I don't suffer fools :) so for me its all sex, drugs and rock... well mostly just rock.*





*from a 5.10 ad :D
John M

climber

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:59am PT
So I am inadequate?

I don't believe he was addressing you Anastasia. I believe he was addressing meow now. This post.

Why did all those women click on a thread knowing its content would severely offend them? That is what I just can't wrap my head around. Drama! Oh, yes, boobs have never been shown on ST prior to Anastasia's thread. Time to move on from this nonsense bacause it's really not that big of a deal...

Ken, it would be a good idea if you addressed your post to who you are responding to.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:00am PT
Ken???

WTF is castration having to do with boobs? I don't get the connection and... Seriously, are topless female sunbathers needing to be saved from slavery?

Oh my gosh, am I being enslaved by my husband when I'm breast feeding my child? Really???

This has no logic. None... Actually kind of funny if you think about it.
You objectify women as being without free will, as being helpless victims.

I and my kind are not helpless, we are not victims and we have free will. If we choose to use our bodies for gains, what makes it different from a male body builder, a male model? Saying women are being victimized IS sexist.

Anastasia,

see my previous quote about "concrete thinking" in reference to abstract example. (that was NOT directed to you or what you were saying.)

I'm a white male. In my experiences, I've encountered women who like being called whores (who are not in that occupation), blacks that like being called n*ggers, jews that think it is funny being called kik*s, etc.
Does that give me license to refer to those groups that way? Does it excuse me from saying something when that is how those groups are referred to?

Am I victimizing women when I stand with women who object to being called whores? Am I victimizing blacks and jews when I stand with them against those who use those terms?

In this situation, I am standing with at least two women who were willing to give up their membership over what they perceived as treatment of women.
I'm not sure that I see how that victimizes you?

I don't know how you act when your friends are victimized, and attacked. I can't say that I can honestly call t*r and Lolli friends, having never met either. But they are members of a community to which I belong who I earnestly believe feel wronged. I have certainly seen both savaged in the aftermath. It is particularly hard to understand in the case of Lolli, who I"ve never seen say mean words to anyone, and made no fuss in this matter, but just quietly slipped away without so much as a statement. I stand with them.

My posts have basically been along the lines of explanation, interpretation, and thoughts about why people might take offense to the "boobs" thread. As a result, I've been rather aggressively reprimanded, as though I have no right to say anything.

I'm surprised that you make the argument that basically amounts to "being a man, you've no right to make statements about abuse of women". Well, if that's so, since you're not a child, you've no right to make a statement about child abuse...or about men, blacks, jews, or the poor. I doubt that you think that.

You are entitled to have your opinion about what consists of abuse and exploitation of women. However, you do not represent all women, and you do not have the right to dismiss the complaints of other women, simply because you are a woman.

You may choose not to stand with women who feel violated, and dismiss them (trivialize them), as is your right.

I stand with them.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:06am PT
How does that make it better? Claiming either I or someone else incapable of understanding. That isn't nice.

I think what we should do is BE NICE! You know, what five year olds are taught in kindergarten. Try it. Might Improve not only the forum, it will improve one's life.

You don't have to stand for this or that... How the heck did this get so twisted into some kind of political stance. Really sad... Throwing mud on each other for what? Really? This? Too bad that folks like killing nice fun things by making them ugly this way. All that arguing for such silly stuff and to keep it up! Wow... Astounding.

I'm done.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:15am PT
You really are being very rude. Plus by disrespecting my intelligence... Seriously, what kind of woman's rights activist are you if YOU can Treat Me, a Female like a small stupid child? Your treatment of ME again shows that you have no understanding of respecting others that you are preaching. Try it yourself... Heck, try it on me before expecting others to take your high and mighty preaching of being sensitive seriously.

Anastasia, I'm not sure that I'm disrespecting your intelligence by pointing out that you have TOTALLY missed the point of my thread by using a type of common logic that leads you down a road of thinking that misinterprets what another is writing.

I'm the kind of women's rights activist that believes in treating women EQUALLY. That means you don't get treated politely, when you disrespect other members, such as t*r and Lolli. You get treated the same as would Ron. If, in the process of standing with them, I criticize you, you then take that as an attack on women? You are the appointed representative of all women, and any criticism of you is an attack on women generally?

Isn't that what you want? Equal treatment? Actually, I'm not sure that you can handle it. I'm not talking about "women", I'm talking about YOU. If you look around, Ron has had to endure FAR more worse language and verbiage from me, than you are getting.

John, I think I'd placed the name of the person I was addressing in each post, which I think is a good idea. Maybe you were pointing that out.....
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:20am PT
Wow, condescending toward me just to make sure... You are that threatened of me that you need to put me down AGAIN?

Don't kid yourself. The reason you won't treat me equally is because you can't reach it.

Anyway, kid has fallen asleep. Now I can join him.



Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:26am PT
How does that make it better? Claiming either I or someone else incapable of understanding. That isn't nice.

However, Anastasia, you might consider that the invective that you thought was directed at you as example of how I don't understand how I am attacking women.......was actually directed at a man....then your allegation of my misogynistic tendencies might have been a *smidgen* overstated.



I think what we should do is BE NICE! You know, what five year olds are taught in kindergarten. Try it. Might Improve not only the forum, it will improve one's life.

You don't have to stand for this or that... How the heck did this get so twisted into some kind of political stance. Really sad... Too bad that folks like killing nice fun things this way. All that arguing for such silly stuff and to keep it up! Wow... Astounding.

Well, that's a good concept. In theory.

But at least two people have been deeply hurt. enough to quit. Then on top of that, in discussing it, they have both been rather savaged, where they have no opportunity to even defend themselves. Frankly, I think attacking them in that situation is rather cowardly.

You response, to our hurting friends, is rather like "well, lets forget that and them, and lets have a nice fun party." and why do folks like killing nice fun things this way?

I love to have fun, and enjoy doing fun things. But not all things are nice fun things.
RyanD

climber
Squamish

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:35am PT
I know this thread is titled "a serious matter" but Ken you take supertopos way too seriously & need to chill out man, maybe the ppl who quit did so because they felt they were taking it too seriously & needed to step away. It's ok to step away, it's just the f*#king Internet, real life is still happening out there. As someone who is just reading through this latest garbage I say this in the nicest way- you are not going to do yourself any favors or receive any sort of redemption by posting any more arguments here. Your obviously a smart dude but right now ur coming off as the guy who has lost his sh#t, time to reel it in. If you do that, this thread will hopefully fall into the archives where it belongs. Good luck. It's gnarly in super-OT land where u guys/gals hang out.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:37am PT
Hi Anastasia,

I don’t believe there were many clear-cut postings blaming you. I didn’t read all the threads that clocked in on the topic…there were several. A portion of us felt the breast thread ultimately ripened into something ridiculously excessive and some felt was outrageous.

I wouldn’t take the rumpus and row as a categorical bill of indictment toward you.

The prudes vs. perverts wrangling became heated but it’s still January …hopefully T*R will be welcomed back and ST will survive this without anyone being labeled miscreant or assigned long-time Rascal Status. Best wishes…
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA

Jan 25, 2013 - 02:32am PT
Jennie, TR did what she did then when she got banned came back with a new handle to keep causing problems.

Her actions came back to haunt her.

While I love Ana, I didn't agree with AF's thread and knew it would turn into crap in the long run. But I simply stayed away from it. No thoughts, no comments.

TR didn't and went nuts on it. If you don't agree with it, stay away from it like I did. TR couldn't help herself.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There

Jan 25, 2013 - 04:36am PT
So Ken, just as a point of clarity, you seem upset that two members of this forum are now gone. Do you have any personal insight or first hand knowledge of why Lolli jumped ship? From what I have seen she simply walked away and left a blank slate. Having seen nothing else it's hard for me to give reason to that without jumping to conclusions. I do recall seeing a post from someone that received a PM from her stating that it was for personal reasons. I'll try to find it later.

As far as T*R goes, obviously she found offense and took action. She was then banned for that action.

If you're basing your outrage and criteria on two individuals of this forum, one of which who's leaving seems to be an unknown and the other very well known, well, so be it, even if I think maybe you're getting a bit ahead of yourself.
sullly

Trad climber

Jan 25, 2013 - 05:17am PT
I complained because I am a CA credentialed public high school teacher who did not think another CA credentialed public high school teacher should be posting a naked torso shot of herself. As a woman, as a teacher, and as a former CTA union rep. I was offended.

justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement

Jan 25, 2013 - 05:48am PT
I've been trying to stay out of this stupid crap but I gotta back up my girl Anastasia on this one.

+1 for Slayton's comment there as well.

Just gotta say... I'm TOTALLY sick of you morons SPECULATING about Lolli quitting over the boob-thread and posting it as fact. You people don't know sh#t and have ZERO clue why she left so unless you can produce an email verifying it, I'd quit perpetrating that stupid rumor. I suspect it was more about being tired of listening to vicious meannie-whiners fight constantly but that's my personal speculation.


Reily
America! they are just f*#king boobs

Yup^^

I'm gonna go back to watching dolphin rescues and bumping trip reports now.


Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO

Jan 25, 2013 - 06:30am PT
I was actually gone for eleven days in the mountains where everyone should be going "often." I was not here for the drama so I have no idea what the heck happened and honestly am glad since the subject matter was in humor.

Such a rad statement to wake up, have coffee and see.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR

Jan 25, 2013 - 06:59am PT
Boobs are great and boobs are good, but boobs aren't that great and boobs aren't that good. Certainly not that good or bad to have caused all of this.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning

Jan 25, 2013 - 07:01am PT
A serious matter?

Seriously, you guys need to get out of Berkeley and see the world once in a while.
dirtbag

climber

Jan 25, 2013 - 07:15am PT
I think there should be no threads--ever--that offend anyone.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 25, 2013 - 07:43am PT
Certainly not that good or bad to have caused all of this.

Never underestimate the power of boobs, Mark.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 25, 2013 - 07:45am PT
I have a question.

Having not yet been to Europe, how do men respond to all the topless women at the beach?

Do they walk with another guy friend behind them and make hand gestures as to how they'd like to take some action like grabbing the breasts and playing with them? Or make the "I've got a massive boner" hand signal?

I am thinking there are probably a few who do, but probably most don't. So, I think that when people are comparing the boobs thread to beaches in europe, it is not an accurate comparison.

That's another thing that really pisses me off. People who put fake arguments into a conversation. Reasonable people don't expect others to "cheat" when it comes to debate, and are usually taken off guard, and don't immediately respond because it does that. And so the one who throws the garbage statement in believes he has won a point.

Not so.

Or, the person hearing that argument is forced to stop a rational debate to go off with them on their illogical tangent which really amounts to poor sportsmanship at the least. I see it as very low quality debating style; a sign of a mind not too keen.


Where I live, there is a swimming and sunbathing area which has a nude section. If a guy sits there gaping at a woman, he is going to be asked by the others to stop or get the hell out. The area actually also has a pretty good number of gay men there, and there have been times when people did walk into the woods unexpectedly and find some pretty serious(a joke with the thread title...) stuff going down(literally). But again, if a guy started rubbing his crotch in the sunbathing area as he watched another guy - that would be considered inappropriate.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz

Jan 25, 2013 - 08:08am PT
if a guy started rubbing his crotch in the sunbathing area

Advantage or Frontline should take care of it.
Maybe I'm on the wrong thread????


Susan
I'm Rick James, Bitch

Social climber
Up in it and down on it

Jan 25, 2013 - 08:29am PT
Where I live, there is a swimming and sunbathing area which has a nude section. If a guy sits there gaping at a woman, he is going to be asked by the others to stop or get the hell out. The area actually also has a pretty good number of gay men there, and there have been times when people did walk into the woods unexpectedly and find some pretty serious(a joke with the thread title...) stuff going down(literally). But again, if a guy started rubbing his crotch in the sunbathing area as he watched another guy - that would be considered inappropriate.

Lordy Lordy, my how the Pit has changed!
CIRJB!!!!!!!!(*)(*)
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 25, 2013 - 08:53am PT



+1 for Anastasia!!!...



Young lady, you often amaze me...

;-)





justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement

Jan 25, 2013 - 09:04am PT
Lordy Lordy, my how the Pit has changed!


HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face

Jan 25, 2013 - 09:13am PT
As a woman, as a teacher, and as a former CTA union rep. I was offended.

I'd be interested in hearing what experiences you had or what thinking process you go through to get "offended" about what someone else posts on a niche site like this. Not saying that you don't have a right to be offended. You have every right, IMO, and I'l fight for your right to voice your opinion here and elsewhere. But I'm curious, in this case, how that process works, and what stories you tell yourself in terms of what said photo (of A. with the nude torso) "means" to you and others.

JL
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 25, 2013 - 09:21am PT
Sully has a very good point yet it missed a little one... I didn't and never would post a picture of myself "nude or partially nude." My husband suggested that one HE posted was me but seriously folks, it wasn't. You folks give me way too much credit. Plus I won't chase the husband with a broom over his antics. He's allowed to be silly, and no... I am not offended with his idea of boobs. He sees them at work all the time and the more deformed the more he studies them. It's not kinky when it's part of his job.

I also never posted nude pictures, All my posts were covered up. The boys did which I think many can proudly claim is their own work.

As for things going sour, I wasn't around but I am happy that ST nuked the thread because I would happily have done it myself. A joke turned bad, I totally agree. Why didn't I nuke it earlier, well... Bill was enjoying it so I let him and others have their fun. Was it so evil? I'll let Hugh Hefner and folks like the Victoria Secret Models explain it. I mean I've seen a Million Dollar bra but nothing else comparable for the boys. Some things just are.

As for this site... I seriously don't worry about kids here. Well, except for the Old ones and yes, this includes myself.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh

Jan 25, 2013 - 09:23am PT
You gotta keep a reign on them boobs. The uterus, that's an area that needs a good watching over too.

I see a lot I don't like here. I usually don't click on it, or I give the malfactors the hell I think they deserve. Beyond speaking my mind, farbeit for me to moderate free human beings who happen to see the world through a different lens (within reason, of course).

As to people quitting or not quitting over this, that's their bad for being quitters.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula

Jan 25, 2013 - 09:23am PT
I'm scratching my head trying to understand the connection between boobs and the CTA union.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 25, 2013 - 09:25am PT

"I mean I've seen a Million Dollar bra but nothing else comparable for the boys."...


Then you really NEED to check out my diamond studded COD PIECE...
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 25, 2013 - 09:26am PT
Just in case you guys forgot, there are some great climbing threads on this forum. You should check 'em out! Too sw0le!

Oh, and Anastasia is still my hero. Y'all h8ers can blow me. I tried to inject some cultural, academic, sociological and historical blood into this thread but wtf, this is supertopo. What the f*#k was I thinking?!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL

Jan 25, 2013 - 09:30am PT




locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 25, 2013 - 09:34am PT


...

Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 25, 2013 - 09:37am PT
It's about the proper conduct of a teacher and my job security. Luckily it doesn't apply to me anymore. Will I ever teach high school again? Nope. I do not see how it is possible with the current lack of jobs and... The whole teaching industry seams geared for failure since treating everyone with different needs/skill the same simply isn't logical. Inclusive education in increasing class sizes with less time for each student. Plus the trend of using teachers as escape goats, demanding more from smaller budgets. We don't have money for science labs, books, multi media, etc... How can we offer a better education with less stuff, less time, a more complicated and larger class population? Well, now this is a whole other argument.

Anyway... That is that.


Again please note I did not post a nude picture of anyone including myself. Saying I did is an inaccurate statement.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO

Jan 25, 2013 - 09:46am PT
Having not yet been to Europe, how do men respond to all the topless women at the beach?

brotherbbock

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA

Jan 25, 2013 - 09:48am PT
+1 Anastasia. I agree 100%.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA

Jan 25, 2013 - 09:55am PT
if a guy started rubbing his crotch in the sunbathing area

Yeah, I guess you haven't been to Ibiza.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven

Jan 25, 2013 - 09:56am PT
Ken, based on your posts here you seem to be extremely narrow minded and pompous, and I find your diatribe regarding this thread to be much more objectionable than any picture that was posted in the BOOB thread. I seriously don't think that you will understand this, but you comparing posting pictures of topless women to slavery, racism, and the abuse and exploitation of women trivializes all of those serious issues. Of all the BS that has been posted about this "serious matter," your posts are by far and away the most offensive.

FWIW, I liked many of TR's post. I did not agree with her stance on the boobs thread AT ALL, but am sorry to see her go. I greatly enjoyed almost everything Lolli posted and was always happy to read her the perspective on issues. I don't believe anyone knows why she left, but I wish she would come back.

One more thing... they are BOOBS! Boobs are good. Boobs are not offensive. It is ok for guys and gals to look at them and think they are beautiful. The human body is not something to be embarrassed about. I think that a lot of you folks just need to relax... but that is just my opinion.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Jan 25, 2013 - 10:07am PT
Just gotta say... I'm TOTALLY sick of you morons SPECULATING about Lolli quitting over the boob-thread and posting it as fact. You people don't know sh#t and have ZERO clue why she left so unless you can produce an email verifying it, I'd quit perpetrating that stupid rumor...

Well-worth repeating!
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine

Jan 25, 2013 - 10:07am PT
somehow i cant post a pic of a box of kleenX for all the wankers but got to walgreens or better yet, WALMART and get yourself some if you really think this sh#t is serious.
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy

Jan 25, 2013 - 10:12am PT
you see the women here pointing out that there is a big difference between nudity and porn, soft or harsh.

No one is unaware of the hostility and exploitation behind pornography. Some the posters here like to identify with that and make use of it to settle their own feelings of inadequacy through intimidation of others. Awareness of the hostility and exploitation of pornography is painful, so many people try to ignore, deny, or downplay it. Some of us just have more balls than others and are able to be aware and speak out. Big thanks to all who have!

When someone has taken a big sh#t in the living room it stinks and is offensive. Better to clean it up than leave it there.


PS, this whole episode is NOT about Anastasia in any way, t*r, Lolli, or any of these peripheral arguments. It is about the underlying (and overt)sexualized hostility, the exploitation of women and girls, both generally and personally here on this forum. The thread became rank in a seriously offensive way, and a legal liability. Better it's gone.
WBraun

climber

Jan 25, 2013 - 10:13am PT
Psyops and Blackops experts study stupid threads like this and see how stupid Americans can be.

This why and how the Americans have lost their rights, freedoms and gone off to stupid wars over the years,
along with believing every stupid thing they hear and see in the media these days. ......
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 25, 2013 - 10:14am PT
You know what's stupid, Werner? Generalizations!

TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho

Jan 25, 2013 - 10:39am PT
some serious shiz going on here
toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 25, 2013 - 10:47am PT
-


why not a thread devoted to Penises of adult males?



as long as the Penises are not erect, then it is not sexual


if you just show only the Penis itself, then there is no room for exploitation


& this would teach the Hysterical Women here that nudity is OK and harmless




the Penis thread is a Serious Matter


-



Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:00am PT
Went through the Mapplethorpe show at LACMA. WHOA! They had guards at the
entrance to keep kids out unless mom wanted to show little Jimmy that fisting pics can be art.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:07am PT
as long as the Penises are not erect, then it is not sexual

It still would be controversial. People would argue i.e. over the angle. Is 90 degrees up considered erected???

LOL
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:09am PT
what is the legal age for breast feeding in california?

ot: did those guys make it to angel island?

you know, escape from alcatraz, eastwood's movie
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:12am PT
you see the women here pointing out there is a big difference between nudity and porn, soft or harsh.

Well, sort of, but not really. What generally I see here are entrenched sterotypes, a radical devotion to cherished orthodoxies, an unwillingness to examine beliefs, jaw-dropping misinformation regarding simple matters of fact ("legal liability?"), and minds buttoned up tighter than space capsules.

I'll try this one more time, although actually tackling the arduous and sometimes painful chore of periodically examining and reaffirming one's belief system is far too arduous a task for most. Prove me wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-wave_feminism

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:20am PT
...and minds buttoned up tighter than space capsules.

I like that one. It begs the point that some may just have bone encapsulating space too.

You can try and bottle up sexuality but it will emerge in some form, like it or not. The more stilted and ruled by morality it becomes, the more insidious its expression. Some guys openly agog at the female form has its drawbacks, but at least you see the whole show out in the open. Better than priests f*#king children in confessional booths, but your ymmv.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:23am PT
The thing about a space capsule is no fresh air gets in or out; the same stale crap just keeps getting recycled. This thread is 278 posts and counting.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:24am PT
There is a solution:





Credit: moosedrool


Studly

Trad climber
WA

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:24am PT
MORE BOOBS PLEASE. I like em. Quite nice.
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:27am PT
Hey Ken, maybe you should chill out a little and have a beer.




























































































Credit: The Larry


Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:27am PT
^^^ Yup... One of my original pictures... Note the clothes and the humor. No nudity was needed. Again, none of my pictures actually had nudity. As you can see, it worked so well people didn't notice I had NOT posted a nude picture. You can say a whole lot of the same without using nudity. People should work on that.

Plus...

I grew up with National Geographic. Plenty of boobs in that magazine and no one is that upset about taking advantage of the natives, human slavery, etc. "Please Note this is significant because in the regions that National Geographic is presenting, that stuff really does exist." So why no complaints there and here it's something else?

Also we have tons of medical books here. Aris is going to get an eye full. I am not going to lock up Bill's medical books just because the kid might see nudity. The context and how it is presented does make a difference. Plus, I rather he learn to see the body first through a scientific view point than being introduced to it in other ways. Then maybe he might not be so mesmerized, and over sexualized. Yes, I think suppression does make minor things more stimulating than it really is.

Plus I've been in many hot tubs with boys and girls naked and no one was offended or mouthing off rude comments. Why does it occur here? This is the interesting anthropology, social question. Seriously how can public hot tubs around Mammoth (I know many of you have been there) be so respectful and casual.. Then here it becomes something viciously wrong?

What the heck is wrong with society that feeds off of this kind of drama?


bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:32am PT
+1 on that.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:36am PT


"Went through the Mapplethorpe show"...

Which was originally (Years back) canceled due to PRUDES...

So glad it made it back around and is now being viewed for the great ART that it is...

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:39am PT
Anastasia made some great points and I'd like to add some thoughts of mine.

Context is a huge key to what is tasteful and enjoyable versus rude or outright disgusting.

I definately do not get the folks who find any nudity wrong. But I certainly understand the outrage when it comes to even skirting underage porn. I know folks whose lives were affected by sexual abuse when young. If you havn't seen the results you simply cannot understand how terribly destructive it is. It is one of the worst crimes I can think of.

Sadly it only takes one insensitive ignorant person to cross that line and destroy what was otherwise a harmless and in many case beautiful thread and throw turmoil into a community.

The matter of underage abuse is rightfully serious and as can be seen it will mangle a community due to it's deep destructiveness,
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:40am PT
the Mapplethorpe show was brought back because of a lot of people pounding their fists on a table and making a lot of noise.
John M

climber

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:42am PT

Anastasia.. I was sunbathing with some lady friends at a swimming hole in Wawona. This hole is well hidden and if you don't know its there, you can walk right by it. You can't see the sunbathing spot from the trail. We were just hanging there doing our thing when around the rock comes this guy leading a church group. He has a video camera and he points the camera at us and starts shooting. I walk up to him and put my hand over the lens and tell him that if he didn't want to go for a swim with his camera, that he would have to stop taking pictures.

I think some people forget that many people in America are still offended by nudity. The respect you find around the swimming holes in California is due in part to teaching people and in part to running off the most obvious pervs.

Oh.. and in the above story, these people weren't there to swim. If they were and they didn't like the nudity, we would have put on swim suits. This guy was a preacher and he knew about the swimming hole and he was into some weird got to make the heathens feel bad kind of thing. I gave him a different message.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:43am PT
What the hell? Like I said... What the hell were people posting while I was gone? If that was the case, then yeah... Underage is a BIG issue, it is criminal and the person posting should be ashamed and afraid. The big arm of the law does go far.

Yup, glad it was erased. Holy shamolly... I'm speechless.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:43am PT
Locker, the guy was a great photog and I don't mind looking at great pics of honed doods,
but some of that stuff could put an eye out!
toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:43am PT
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people need to learn there is NOTHING wrong with wholesome, healthy Nudity



here, for example, is an image from the Institute of Nude Wrestling...


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http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbsa0j0cBc1r6pvzjo1_500.jpg


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Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:44am PT
I've also seen this community remain silent as a doormouse as several users made sexually threatening or insinuating comments about other members' underage daughters here. Due respect to you "moral" crusaders who said nothing then and now complain about a little skin of the legal age.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:46am PT
^ I only know of one incident that involved comments about DMTs kid and that guy got some serious flak from me and many others. It's the only time I have reported and I suppose he was banned.. haven't seen him again afaik. I have no problem speaking up if I see something waay wrong.

Anastasia
Whether the pics were actually underage or not is hard to say but it looked close enough to have crossed a very bad line.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:46am PT


"but some of that stuff could put an eye out!"...


Dude was HARD core, for sure...(pun obviously intended)

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:47am PT
With all due jebus that is not strictly correct - Mighty Hiker and several others did in fact speak up and quite strongly. Someone must have complained too because the offending threads disappeared and I did not do the complaining (in the cases I am thinking of, there was more than one).

DMT
crock

Trad climber
The Windiest Mountain, Wyoming

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:50am PT
Someone posted a picture of a 21-year-old woman with small breasts.

People found that offensive because they felt women with small breasts looked like children.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:51am PT
Not only are the pics of under-age kids of questionable legality, so is making accessible TO under-age kids adult materials - even if the models are of legal age.

Since no one is checking IDs at the door here, there's nothing preventing kids from accessing what's posted here.

There are people in jail right now for making racy photos available to kids.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:54am PT
With all due jebus that is not strictly correct - Mighty Hiker and several others did in fact speak up and quite strongly. Someone must have complained too because the offending threads disappeared and I did not do the complaining (in the cases I am thinking of, there was more than one).

DMT


Ah, well, at the time it seemed most steered clear (I did not). Certainly not the widespread, multi-thread approbation over some prudish bs melodrama. You took the high road when (at least when I saw the thread), a hard task I am sure. Much respect.

Also, goatboysmellz took a swing at Silver's beloved daughter (not more than 3-years old) with some gang rape innuendo. Mostly radio silence on that one and that goathole remains a member here at a time when the almighty Oz was in full on banning mode.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Anastasia, my understanding is there were no underage pics, merely young looking models. Not a line I would feel comfortable trodding, mind you, but there is a difference.

edit: You erased! Don't leave a bro hangin'!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 25, 2013 - 11:58am PT


"goatboysmellz took a swing at Silver's beloved daughter with some gang rape innuendo (for a 3-year old I met)."...


Huh???...

He did???...



GoatBOIeeeeee...

What the FUK???...




bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
What the hell? Like I said... What the hell were people posting while I was gone? If that was the case, then yeah... Underage is a BIG issue, it is criminal and the person posting should be ashamed and afraid. The big arm of the law does go far.

Nothing even remotely underage, Anastasia. Not even close. Petite women with small breasts. As I pointed out at the time this red herring was first floated, if you visit a college campus these days the 18 - 22 year olds look like children, the way I imagine Jr. High kids looked like to me 30 years ago. And as we get older this perceptual distortion only becomes more pronounced, jarring, and striking. That this notion could get any traction at all is a reflection of the overwhelmingly white, middle class, 30-and-over demographic of this forum.

Oh Well.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
Yeah, locker, true. Although the goat-hole thought it was justified because Silver isn't a dog lover or sumsh#t.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
why not a thread devoted to Penises of adult males?



as long as the Penises are not erect, then it is not sexual

Are you suggesting that none of the images in the boob thread were sexualized? Why must the male body be shown in a non-sexual manner but it is okay to show the female body in that manner?

(Edit: Image removed as a courtesy)



It seems many here just cannot accept that there are various opinions and be respectful of them; they need to lash out with intimidation tactics in an attempt to silence others.

I said I would begin posting images to counterbalance the boobs ones being shown in this thread(or the other booby whinefest threads). While there haven't been any boob shots that I noticed, I think some still are not quite getting the point. And so, when guys continue with the stance that there is something wrong with women who didn't mind their own business about that thread, and try to intimidate any men who actually have the balls to stand up and provide their opinion as well, I will be making....a point, through imagery.






climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
As the saying goes.."whats good for the goose..."

Back to outrage regarding anything that skirts underage.

If you havn't seen the destruction of a persons life due to abuse I suppose it might be hard to understand the outrage of those who have seen it. A line that you just can't get anywhere near without being burned.

See the Irish Patrick's (cant remember his exact sceen name )threads about caregiving to catch a glimpse.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
Sorry Jebus,

I erased after realizing how that post can be twisted. I don't want that...

I am right now feeling really bad about that line being crossed. Holy heck folks... I knew you guys will get the thread nuked but I thought it would be over something like Locker's plugs, etc. Not this, NEVER this. That's astounding bad. Don't do that...




toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
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oil on acrylic...artful and sophisticated...in good taste


vvv
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http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/f/2012/336/e/5/nude_wrestling_by_tarstarkas-d5mvtij.jpg


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toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
Are you suggesting that none of the images in the boob thread were sexualized?


no, many of them were sexualized, were soft-core porn, and should NOT have been included, imo



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atchafalaya

Boulder climber

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
"Someone posted a picture of a 21-year-old woman with small breasts.

People found that offensive because they felt women with small breasts looked like children."

Someone also posted a bunch of pictures of girls who looked under 18. I thought that was offensive.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
So Ken, just as a point of clarity, you seem upset that two members of this forum are now gone. Do you have any personal insight or first hand knowledge of why Lolli jumped ship? From what I have seen she simply walked away and left a blank slate. Having seen nothing else it's hard for me to give reason to that without jumping to conclusions. I do recall seeing a post from someone that received a PM from her stating that it was for personal reasons. I'll try to find it later.

As far as T*R goes, obviously she found offense and took action. She was then banned for that action.

If you're basing your outrage and criteria on two individuals of this forum, one of which who's leaving seems to be an unknown and the other very well known, well, so be it, even if I think maybe you're getting a bit ahead of yourself.

I do have personal first hand knowledge.

I don't think I'd describe my emotions as "outrage", as much as sadness.

I am unaware of ANY thread, that resulted in the quitting of two members. Are you? Due to them being offended as having the minority class to which they belong being put down.

It is totally legitimate to discuss whether such threads are a put down of a class. Would a thread on blacks, that went on for a thousand posts, repeating stereotypes be a put down? Undoubtedly some would day yes, some no.

But the nature of community is to discuss things. And the "sentinal event" of a thread that causes people to quit, just by it's existance, seems to be a notable event.

and also, I find it interesting the problem people seem to have with standing with those who have left on philosophical grounds, and even being willing to look at what the issue might have been and why it was an issue.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
As for sexualized... What isn't these days? The Kardashians? LOL! Victoria Secret's clothing line PINK? Why are there female news anchors that can sideline as models, where did all the others ones go? They don't qualify anymore? Plus why do many anchor women wear such low cut and tight shirts?
It's the freakin NEWS!!!!

When are we going to admit it, face it, deal it out? Pretending we are in a moral world when it obviously is a world that is over sexualized... I think avoiding it, pretending it's not there is very dangerous.

The Larry

climber
Moab, UT

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Damn Happy girl that dood is Swole!
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
no, many of them were sexualized, were soft-core porn, and should NOT have been included, imo

and that is almost word for word what t*r said was her objection to the boob thread


I wonder if the boob thread could have survived and been progressively added to, if it was started by a male instead

my guess is that because a female started it, then it became ok like it was legitimized
toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
^^^^^^


re boob thread, well, there were a few with women licking other womens' nipples


i don't see female news anchors doing that to each other, but would NOT change the channel if they did!!!!
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
Plus I've been in many hot tubs with boys and girls naked and no one was offended or mouthing off rude comments. Why does it occur here?

Because nobody would act this silly without clothes on.


I was at Travertine once and was asked by this, ahem, lovely woman, to put my clothes on or leave since she didn't want her sons (around 10) to see nudity. Quite rudely. I calmly continued to disrobe and enter the pool. I then made direct eye contact and said, "by the looks of you, I'd be more concerned about the impact that the McDonald's you feed your kids has on them than my skin." (The only other vehicle was assumably theirs and FULL of junk food trash.) They left.
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
I bet if all the mass shooters had some boobs in their life they might not have gone all postal.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
I definately do not get the folks who find any nudity wrong.

I definitely do not recall noticing any posts made by someone who finds any nudity wrong.... Could you please provide at lease a reminder of what was posted? I don't expect you to go searching back over posts to directly pinpoint this(which is another cheap tactic some people employ - task the person with something which requires an inordinate amount of effort and when they person doesn't comply to the stupid demand, claim victory on a point), but I honestly don't believe anyone here has said, or even suggested, that all nudity is bad.

Also, it is certainly not simple nudity which is what people are finding offensive about this whole matter. It is not even the boob thread itself, at this point, and never was, for me. I am not 100% sure, but I THINK what has got people upset now is the aggressive hostility being blasted at anyone who makes a post against the sacrosanctity of the boobs thread.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
I don't recall any topless dreamy eyed ladies sprawled on the sheets clutching their genitals through wet panties in the "Boobs Thread"

Which would be the equivalent of HG's post



Please start your own vindictive male anatomy objectification thread, so we can choose to avoid it, "Happy", as you had the opportunity to avoid the evil Boobs Thread.


Thanks in advance,

Kev
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
Happie..

Nah my comment right there was directed in general not specifically to anything posted here on the Taco.

Yeah this stuff is explosive and has damaged a community. Some of it for good reason some not so much. Sad really but predictable once certain lines are approached.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
Most are merely voicing their opinion, Happie. I don't see the rampant bullying, or intimidations as you say, by either side here, just opinions. I could give two shits if the boob thread exists or not, but I thought it had a right to exist. Because others disagree with my opinion doesn't mean they are bullying me, even if they got their way and still continue to whine about the tragedy of those who decided to leave on their own volition. I don't see a self-imposed time out or boycotting as being bullied, it's just a consumer choice. I didn't see the questionable photos of young looking models to say what I thought either though. Like Anastasia said, the thread was probably bound to implode eventually as people were increasingly encouraged to show each other their wank material.

That's my f'd up paragraph's worth of bullying, anyway ;).
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
People need to relax. A person doesn't like it... That is valid and not worth bashing them for that opinion. A person does like the boob thread is also valid and not worth bashing over either.

Illegal activity... Yeah, that's obviously wrong, you don't need much brains or morality to figure that out. No matter what you think upon nudity itself. That is worth a good NUKING for obvious reasons. Totally agree...

Witch hunting, pointing fingers, being rude... That's obviously not good no matter what stance you are defending.

Let the thread die, the joke is over... People made it into something else, what's new? Now whoever was rude to another person and those who were rude to the girls, go write an apology to them and stop being mean over pictures. They are just pictures, not the Mona Lisa or the Sistine Chapel (even though that is full of nudity too.) It's not worth it.

You don't have to apologize for your beliefs. Apologize for hurting feelings because that does matter.

That's my two cents.



happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
Why are there female news anchors that can sideline as models, where did all the others ones go? They don't qualify anymore? Plus why do many anchor women wear such low cut and tight shirts?


You answered that one yourself: They don't qualify anymore. Just like the 45 year old guy who can do a job just as good, or better, than a 25 year old isn't "qualified" any more. Or, more likely, they will be termed overqualified, and told they wouldn't be happy in a job beneath their skill level. Which is the same thing the women who don't display themselves as eye candy are told.

Anastasia - Going "along" with the idea that sexualization is the primary value of women is the problem. That is also WHY women are shrouded in the bhurkas and such in some societies.

Again - I don't believe anyone here is saying they find distaste in seeing a woman's naked body, but the tactic of turning them into seasonings for the sausage.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
but the tactic of turning them into seasonings for the sausage.

What the heck does "seasonings for the sausage" mean?
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
Yeah this stuff is explosive and has damaged a community.

If you actually believe this then the community you are referring to probably never existed in the first place.
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
those were photos of prepubescent girls. not 18 and up with small breasts. NO breast development and a couple with new breast buds. Some had developing breasts that could be mistaken for adults. lots of face makeup. which is the usual for child porn. A stint at CPS makes one acutely aware of what is child porn.
Your hostility and defensiveness is just that, hostility and defensiveness. Be at peace. Offer some kindness for those who are injured by this industry.

Happpie has made so many excellent observations regarding the inequalities present here.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
What the hell? Like I said... What the hell were people posting while I was gone? If that was the case, then yeah... Underage is a BIG issue, it is criminal and the person posting should be ashamed and afraid. The big arm of the law does go far.

Yup, glad it was erased. Holy shamolly... I'm speechless

There's no way IHP would post pics of underage girls. It's simply inconceivable that he would be that stupid. I didn't see the last pics posted before the thread was deleted, but I clicked on his profile and there were a couple where the models looked really young. One in particular looked like a girl with the breast development of a young teenager, but her face looked like she could well be 18. Although the photos were in no way sexualized, I personally find such photos totally out of place in a thread full of real WOMEN, and yes it is creepy indeed that 50-something men would find that sort of thing a turn on (assuming they even do).

The photos in question are now gone, but then so are dozens (if knott 100's) of others where the models were quite obviously over 18.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
The sexualization bit, Hankster, is what I believe Happie alludes.

Dunno, there are some truths but also some over simplifications to this discussion. That we sexualize each other is probably unavoidable as humans. There is a biologic basis, my fellow neuters and gender neutral automotons. Coming out as the firebrand in these matters is probably the quickest route to hypocrisy, however, whether you are feminist, religious, or otherwise. Thou shalt not... report me to the Cardinal.
matisse

climber

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
I personally never had a problem with the boob thread. I paint nudes and have worked as an artists model in the past. I think some of you are missing the point (or at least my point)
what I have a problem with is the way people, particularly women, were treated who did object to it and the total melt down temper tantrum some of you guys had when it got whacked.

The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
With all due respect Lucky Pink, how are you so sure those girls were underage?

Most posters here disagree.

That's a loaded and libelous claim, a "serious matter", so to speak.

Back it up or button it up.


You're entitled to your opinion on the intent and morality of The Thread, but what you are accusing the posters of, and possibly the site of, is illegal, if I'm not mistaken, and to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person is the legal definition of libel - "a serious matter".
toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 25, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
What the heck does "seasonings for the sausage" mean?


you know, like the popular "Women Eating Sausages Website"


vvv

http://www.womeneatingsausages.com/page/2/



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labrat

Trad climber
Nevada City, CA

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
I didn't see anything obviously underage either. Maybe I missed something.

Locker. Sent you an PM about some resoles......
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Why is that inconceivable?

Because it's a very serious felony and would result in search and seizure of all his computers and digital media, arrest, and lengthly a prison term where inmates take a very dim view of convicted pedophiles, even if it's "merely" being in possession of (and distributing) child porn.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
Legal?

Are not 99% of ALL the photos posted illegal per supertopo's rules?


Don't you have to OWN the photo to post it?
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
Talk about a strokefest: this thread.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
"I didn't see anything obviously underage either. Maybe I missed something."

IHP has been quickly deleting the photos he posted. Wonder if its cause they may have looked underage?
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
I think copyright infringement is a different matter than distributing child porn, legally, Norton.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
seasonings for the sausage

On the advice of my doctor, since he said he couldn't do anything for my Bubonic Plague beyond what he's already done, I've been watching out takes from Groucho Marx' "You Bet Your Life.". That quote seems very pertinent.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
Serious question, who has been arguing about guns, politics, etc. since this erupted? Kinda weird eh?
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
Like I said, never underestimate the power of boobs.
goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
Jeebus go find someone else to leg hump.
Your bitch boy Silver admitted to killing dogs and liking it.
I called him out on it by making a snide comment.
I didn't even know he had a daughter but his meltdown afterward was hilarious.
kthxsbye
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
I didn't see the pics of allegedly underaged girls, but then I didn't follow the thread as closely as some of you.

But if you see what you think may be child porn you should report it. It would NOT have gotten supertopo in trouble. For image links they will go to the site that is hosting the images on its server.

I doubt that the women in the images were underage, but if you think they were, why not let the proper authorities get to the bottom of it?

This link was on the FBI web site for reporting child exploitation: https://report.cybertip.org/index.htm;jsessionid=2EE90180EE8D043A767FA16E5C8E3DFF.report.cybertip.org

Edit: Even if there wasn't anyone underage in the pics, I still thought the thread should be removed. I didn't have a problem with it being up for a few days, but I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon

Jan 25, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
I think copyright infringement is a different matter...

Indeed, completely separate issues. Most photos "posted" to Supertopo are "hotlinked" from some other site using the [img... shortcodes. In that case, the images do not reside on the Supertopo servers. There are no copyright implications for Supertopo.

If you upload pictures using the "photo" link in the reply form:



Those images do indeed reside on the Supertopo servers. You can tell the differences as the uploaded images have the Supertopo frame around them, like this:



Wildflowers - Lancaster CA, 2003
Wildflowers - Lancaster CA, 2003
Credit: froodish



In that case the
part-time communist

Mountain climber
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:49am PT
its amazing, its like the entire history of the human race is happening before my very eyes.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:51am PT
The history of the human race is academic presumption ?
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:52am PT
Cosmic, are you part of the big head club? Cuz your cut and pasting is rather off putting.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:56am PT
Just putting the serious matter thread back together, Larry.
About 2 more installments
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 29, 2013 - 03:01am PT
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There

Jan 26, 2013 - 12:12am PT
and for balance...

Did you mean "balance" or "ballast"?
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There

Jan 26, 2013 - 01:16am PT
Not that it matters much but just for the record, I love this place. I love the climbing content and those who post it. I love the OT posts, whether I agree with the content or not, because they show a slice of life that I might otherwise be unaware of. I love the dialogue even though it can get robustly stupid at times in some of the threads. I love the fact that this site remains touched deftly by moderator hands.

Take from it what you will. Don't be stupid, mean, or an attention whore. Talk. Convey. Read. Learn.

I love this place. Thanks CMac for providing this playground for words, thoughts, ideas .. .. . . .a community.

And I'm being serious so it fits with this thread.

Cheers.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning

Jan 26, 2013 - 03:59am PT
Less seriousness, more Zappa.





Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There

Jan 26, 2013 - 04:03am PT
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 26, 2013 - 08:22am PT
It's all fun and games until somebody is forced into prostitution!(insert smile face icon)



Credit: happiegrrrl


Link: http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020191128_apwasextraffickingsentence.html

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jan 26, 2013 - 08:32am PT
@ Salma Hayek

I love curvy women.

Seriously.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 08:33am PT



"It's all fun and games until somebody is forced into prostitution"...

So it's gone from the "Boob" thread to prostitution???...


EDITED:

This is...

SERIOUS...




philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Jan 26, 2013 - 08:36am PT
On a positive note I will be running ST forum side bar ads for my new business.
Burkha, Habit and Shroud r Us. Free Glock 9mm semis for the first 100 customers.
And I promise nary a boob in sight.


Credit: philo




Credit: philo



dirtbag

climber

Jan 26, 2013 - 09:26am PT
I still like looking at boobies. Am I a bad person?
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Jan 26, 2013 - 09:29am PT
Yes. But a thousand round penance at the target range should set you right.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 26, 2013 - 09:33am PT
Frank Zappa just don't take this sh#t seriously




happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 26, 2013 - 09:39am PT
Just providing balance, Locker. Not unlike your images of the obese man and woman. Well, actually unlike that quite a bit, but there's nothing wrong with dialog(which is why I posted the link), is there?

Interesting to note that you chose an image of a woman which is a provocatively styled shot, and the male, balancing act, is not. Or aren't you aware that the female image you posted would be seen as sexually enticing to a cross section of people, and definitely money in the spank bank for the type who likes that?

And Philo, I think you really need to find some new material. We've all gotten the "joke" you've been making with that set of images. It's like you're at a party and keep telling the same knock, knock joke over and over....

And Dirtbag, just for clarity - I have never said liking booby pictures is "bad," I didn't see many of the images posted on that thread as "bad." My upset is over the intimidation/minimizing tactics deployed on anyone who doesn't see the aforementioned thread as the best thing since sliced bread that seem so prevalent in this thread.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 09:43am PT

"and the male, balancing act, is not."...


GOOGLE for yourself and let me know when you find a photo of some fat fuk dude posing in a sexual way...

Why do I have to do ALL the work???...

;-)



EDITED:

And I actually think I NAILED it...

Lady is POSING like a WOMAN...

Man is in front of computer (Probably viewing PORN)...

Or at least that was where I figured my posts would lead...

happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 26, 2013 - 09:44am PT
It's actually not difficult to find, if one wanted to.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 09:46am PT


"Interesting to note that you chose"...



Was it REALLY that interesting???...

Somehow I doubt it...

;-)



locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 09:50am PT

"It's actually not difficult to find, if one wanted to."...

So you say...

How about posting one for PROOF???...

I actually LOOKED first for a similar one of some fat fuk dude and COULDN'T find a single one...

So PLEASE...

Find one and if you are affraid to post it...

Email it to me, and I WILL!!!...


THANKS!!!...




PS...

You THINKING I chose like I did for the reasons you have planted in your head is INCORRECT...

But that's OK...

Easy mistake...





SERIOUS EDIT:

I HIT the 420 post...

philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Jan 26, 2013 - 09:56am PT
Now that is serious.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 09:58am PT


That's because this IS a SERIOUS thread...

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 26, 2013 - 09:59am PT
Worshiping at the temple :








locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 10:00am PT
^^^

THERE you go Happie!!!...

Now you can view it and masturbate like we do to the "Boob" shots...

Have fun!!!...



EDITED:

Hell!!!...

That dude's kinda cute and I may take a shot at it also...

;-)





MastUrbate correcting EDIT:


I never did learn how to spell or do it right...



apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jan 26, 2013 - 10:04am PT
'masturbate'
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 26, 2013 - 10:16am PT
Well, Locker - I will not post an image. But I did Google "arrousing image of obese men " and then go through to the images version, and see one in the 3rd row of images. Not as well styled as your ladies image, but the intent is there nonetheless.

But, it was just something that I happened to think, when I saw your post. Not really THAT serious, especially in comparison to some of the other things which have come up in this thread.

And update(after the Elvis type image)- Locker, please don't minimize my input on this topic. While it may be very funny to some, and others are just goofing around because they are bored and unable to get out more(which I am guessing is why you post the way you do, as you have mentioned some health issues), I think I have been pretty clear that I don't think this is all a lark. To make fun of me, even in a light-hearted way(which I do believe is your intent), is actually inappropriate.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 10:19am PT


"But I did Google "arrousing image of obese men " and then go through to the images version, and see one in the 3rd row of images. Not as well styled as your ladies image, but the intent is there nonetheless."...


On GOOGLE, it's all about the wording...

But I am sure that you noticed how FEW there are in comparrison...

And there is GOOD reason for that...

Men "Chase" woman...

NOT the other way around generally...

INSTINCTS remain...





As far as taking this SERIOUSLY???...

Well of course!!!...

THIS is a "Serious matter"...



apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jan 26, 2013 - 10:24am PT
'arousing'
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho

Jan 26, 2013 - 10:25am PT
You know. Rita Hayworth had some big breasts.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 10:26am PT

'arousing'...


Sh!t!!!...

Did I make yet ANOTHER grammatic error???...

Or did someone else make the BLUNDER???...




EDITED:

THIS is becoming a SERIOUS MATTER...






FOUND IT EDIT!!!:

I was SERIOUSLY affraid that I had made the mistake and now see that it was Happie...

Fewwwwwwwwwwwwww that was close!!!...


SERIOUSLY CLOSE!!!...

locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 10:33am PT





If SOME are still having SERIOUS issues concerning stuff like this...

I SERIOUSLY suggest that THIS is NOT the place to deal with them...

Some SERIOUS counseling MIGHT be in order...



Because it is NOT that SERIOUS here, on SuperTopo...

If it is to you, you're SERIOUSLY fuked up!!!...









Big Mike

Trad climber
BC

Jan 26, 2013 - 10:34am PT
Apogee = Websters?
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh

Jan 26, 2013 - 10:36am PT
Goatboismellz wrote:
Jeebus go find someone else to leg hump.
Your bitch boy Silver admitted to killing dogs and liking it.
I called him out on it by making a snide comment.
I didn't even know he had a daughter but his meltdown afterward was hilarious.
kthxsbye


Thanks, but last thing I'd do is honor the requests of a classless POS like you've shown yourself. I make plenty of snide comments without implying gang rape on somebody's daughter. It's pretty easy, actually. Maybe not if that's what you like to think about though.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jan 26, 2013 - 10:36am PT
'Websters?'
^^^
Only when it's.......













































Serious.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 12:36pm PT



SERIOUS BUMP!!!...


Anyone with any SERIOUS Psych issues, just post all your SH!T here and SuperTopo will sort it out for you...



happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 26, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
Yes, I misspelled. Luckily, Google has some built in AI and searched using the correct spelling.


If SOME are still having SERIOUS issues concerning stuff like this...

I SERIOUSLY suggest that THIS is NOT the place to deal with them...


I'm not dealing with "my" personal issues on this thread. I am well aware what they are, have been working on them since at least the age of 13, and have found it is a lifelong process.

I am providing a viewpoint in this thread that apparently makes some people here uncomfortable. I don't mean you specifically, Locker, but to post what I quoted above is an attempt to silence those speaking out. You do realize that, don't you? That sort of manipulation comes in many levels, from fairly innocuous to flat out mental abuse. It's probably not a style you would consciously want to take.

For what it's worth, I have received more than a few private correspondences on what I have been posting, and there is support for my words. Not everyone is as willing and able to stand up against a crowd, but it happens to be one of the unintended consequences which resulted from my having "serious issues."
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 12:45pm PT

RE-EDITED for THIS:

"I don't mean you specifically, Locker"...

Well that's GOOD...

Because in ALL honesty, I pretty much AGREE with a lot of what you have been writing...




EDITED:

For what it's worth...

my fuking email mailbox has been FULL as sh!t with people here AGREEING with me...

But honestly...

SO THE FUK WHAT!!!...

;-)

TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho

Jan 26, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
Raquel Welch had some fine white floaters as well.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA

Jan 26, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
Locker, this is so serious that people are emailing you?

Woo-freaking-hoo!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 01:23pm PT


"Locker, this is so serious that people are emailing you?"...


NOT this thread in particular...

ALL the BS started by t*r and the "BOOB" thread and the sh!t that has followed (Such as this thread)...


And I take it ALL, very SERIOUSLY!!!...

I am a SERIOUS man...

Just ask ANYONE...

;-)

Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face

Jan 26, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
Melissa wrote: Those of us whose age of consent was not respected are likely to be more concerned with the rights and well-being of the girls in the pictures who have been immortalized on the internet than we are with the old men who have obviously figured out how to appreciate the digital female form.
I would hazard to say that most of us men, young and old and in between, never had to "figure out" how to appreciate the female form. It's a natural reaction for which our survival owes the pleasure. However, her earlier sentence touches on what I mentioned earlier - strong reactions usually denote a history of sorts, often untoward, so sensitivity is indicated. It's mostly about the involuntary associations that accrue to a person, place or thing which determines our views; and everyone's past is not a glorious sunset. That's why a seemingly benign thread about a body part can trigger a Gorilla Monsoon of guff and emotional arcing.

JL
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT

Jan 26, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
There are seriously a lot of boobs on this thread.
goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze

Jan 26, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 02:08pm PT


^^^

Clinton is a crack up...

Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca

Jan 26, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
Largo...I know you and most men and many women too didn't need to learn to appreciate the female form. Finding pictures of boobies on the internet in order to be able to appreciate them is what I was saying folks have learned.

I'm not sensitive about men lusting after boobs. I'm sensitive about men lusting after children....which is what was reported by someone I trust (LuckyPink) to have been present.

Honestly, I don't play for the boob-loving team, so I hadn't been keeping tabs on the thread and had no idea what happened until all of DRAMAONTHEBOOBTHREAD new thread titles started appearing...and I admit curiosity got the best of me.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 26, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
I'm sensitive about men lusting after children....which is what was reported by someone I trust (LuckyPink) to have been present.

When confronted to prove the models were underage, LP balked. When confronted about her personal definition of porn vs the legal one, she balked again.

Plus, you're taking it a step further to say men were "lusting after children" - you don't know they were children, and you don't know what reactions anyone else had to the photos.

Your imagination might be running a little wild, sister

Just the facts ma'am - if you're gonna call it a crime.



bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 26, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
File under: Misinformed Reactionary. Footnotes should include Contempt Prior To Investigation.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson

Jan 26, 2013 - 04:37pm PT
On "THE" thread I saw photos of women who looked young, on purpose.
That sh!t is creepy but, unfortunately, legal.
To me, a kink stops being a kink when it goes there-
the sexualizing of girls and the whole "barely legal" thing.

It's not porn but it is f*#king creepy and I can see where people would be offended and even angry.

I was happy with fully clothed women with amazing breasts of all shapes and sizes.
And boobs ain't even my kink!

Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho

Jan 26, 2013 - 06:03pm PT

A hypothetical question...

If a court could agree that a particular image suggests or invites taking
advantage of naivete'...the corrupting of innocence...or exploiting the trusting...

Should a model's 18 year certification validate and elevate the depiction above debauchery ??
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA

Jan 26, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
Yeah, courts love words like 'should'.
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.

Jan 26, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
What jefe said.
Leggs

Sport climber
Home away from Home

Jan 26, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
Riley, I've read your posts on this thread and I have to say...

You're ridiculous, and hypocritical.
You drag t*r through the mud, then state you "like" her.

Damn disgusting.
Do you want to spray some more about getting boob photos, or would you like to talk about your "marriage/separation" during that time period??

Let me know. Until then, stop acting like the saint you are not.


~Leggs

Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.

Jan 26, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
Looks like us bitches are up in the house.


So I must say, after laughing mightily at all this, how interesting it is that women get called upon to bear the burden of proof and to justify concretely their position and men just get to say, "It's our nature, get over it." A lot of semantic nit picking. Yawn. Let's just roll up our vaginas and vacate this thread to the righteous boobs. And I don't mean breasts.

:)
Leggs

Sport climber
Home away from Home

Jan 26, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
^^^ amen, Michelle.

locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 07:09pm PT


I would love to have sex with Nicole Kidman...



EDITED:

I am serious...




Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 26, 2013 - 07:18pm PT
And now a musical interlude that includes boys and girls and a LOT of harmony:

locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 07:24pm PT


Let's continue that break...

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista

Jan 26, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
not sure if this is serious enough, I'll have to defer to the court

The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 26, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
...how interesting it is that women get called upon to bear the burden of proof and to justify concretely their position and men just get to say, "It's our nature, get over it."


If a person, even a woman, accuses somebody of a crime, like distributing underage porn, she should bear the burden of proof to justify her charge. This is America - innocence 'til proven guilty, first amendment and all that.

Don't get me wrong - I personally have zero desire to look at partially naked women who look underage or especially those who are underage. I'm just defending the principles of freedom of speech, and the rule of law, and calling bullshit on whoever, male or female, imposes their morality on others coupled with unsupported libelous accusations of what amounts to criminal activity.

I get why women are angry about it, but morphing that anger into false accusations isn't the way to deal with it.

The thread's gone - your will has prevailed ...





Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now

Jan 26, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
Jim Brennan!
Route 66 and Diana Krall Trio.
Dyno-Mite!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.

Jan 26, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
Sorry, the vagina's all rolled up.
couchmaster

climber
pdx

Jan 26, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
"Sorry, the vagina's all rolled up. "

I have no witty rejoinder here Michelle.....I suspect that my mouth is dropped open and my brow is in a confused frown.


Considering it....


OK, all I got is that I would prefer not to see anyone start a new thread with pictures of this "Vagina roll up" trick you have. The discussion after the thread in question threads (I think there were 3 or 4 threads started complaining about it being taken down, posted on or put up) appears to be exhausting to all and the "discussing" *cough*argueing*cough* is heading to well over post 400 on this one and no let up. Thank you and BTW, The Warblers right.

I'd like us all to treat each other with more respect, regardless of sex or age, but this being the internet and all, won't happen in my life time.

Take care all.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 09:54pm PT

...

The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 26, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
I have no witty rejoinder here Michelle

I have about ten, but I don't wanna start a pussy riot, so I'll hold my tongue

And thanks for backin' me up, couchmaster


And I'm all about the Johnny Winter, LOCKER
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 26, 2013 - 10:07pm PT


...

The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 26, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
Some girls roll it up

^^^Some roll it out^^^
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you

Jan 26, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
Reilly, I've read your posts on this thread and I have to say...

You're ridiculous, and hypocritical.
You drag t*r through the mud, then state you "like" her.

Damn disgusting.
Do you want to spray some more about getting boob photos, or would you like to talk about your "marriage/separation" during that time period??

Let me know. Until then, stop acting like the saint you are not.


~Leggs

You make some good points...
I am extremely evil...I will try to do better

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 26, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
Wrong Riley but this is what young men think:



And this is what old men think:

graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Jan 26, 2013 - 11:01pm PT
This is very serious.



http://www.livescience.com/23500-why-men-love-breasts.html
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy

Jan 26, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
When confronted to prove the models were underage, LP balked. When confronted about her personal definition of porn vs the legal one, she balked again.
No balking here, you old goat!
been out having a great time not anywhere near a computer!
I'll get back to you about the history of legislation re child abuse when I have some time for you. You can start by researching the PROTECT Act. and it's reinstatement by the Supreme Court in 2008, and the various state statues that result from it, and the various attempts to use the first amendment to defend abusers in court. What has changed in CPS protocol in the last 10 years etc etc etc....
legal definitions of obscenity, pornography, child, molestation, etc etc etc
it's a hard subject to delve into.

we can have a long conversation about it ... but fer chrissakes don't you get the point YET?!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 26, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
If your point was based on the Boob thread and it's contents, the "youths" on display were legally exploited because they were of age and presumably gave consent. ( at least according to I Hate Plastic)

Through the prism of middle age the seemingly creepy pics did indeed seem creepy but only in context to the age of the subjects and the age of the viewers.

That's the issue and once again, prepubescent means before puberty, not during or immediately after. There were no pictures of children posted.
toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 26, 2013 - 11:41pm PT
^^^^^^^^


while you folks are busy arguing the legal mumbo-jumbo...




...for us red blooded men

vvv
vv
v

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llxdkqiID71qg7xwvo1_500.jpg


.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland

Jan 26, 2013 - 11:41pm PT
Lucky, it looks like you are upset.

But, are you SERIOUS?

;)

Toadgas, it LOOKS like they are post puberty. SERIOUSLY.
toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 26, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
^^^^^^^^^


i see pubic hair, boobs, and a nice, big, delicious booty...NO GENITALIA



IT AINT PORN




-
dirtbag

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 07:14am PT
THANK YOU, TOADGAS
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:03am PT
I'll say it again:

Good lord, get out of Berkeley and the Gender Studies department once in a while.

See the world.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:30am PT
And on it continues, with take-down attempts at minimizing, taunting and flagrant as#@&%e behavior of "You're making a serious discussion? Here -let me throw in a shot of chicks having (photo-simulated) sex, to keep the creeps rallied and interested."


Jim Brennen is polite and makes his points without resorting to cheap tactics, but I do find his claim of "no prepubescent" as interesting. I believe that puberty in females is defined as commencing with the onset of the first menstruation. How can anyone here "know" those girls in the images at question had passed this stage in life?

Someone had claimed earlier that they backtracked the images, and came to model release disclosure information on the site. They did not provide links to that information. I wonder whether such a link on a website featuring images of young-in-appearance subjects in sexualized scenes is any more that a simple "stamp of authority" put up in case someone comes across the images, questions the legality so that they see this disclaimer and go "Okay, all good to go."

Would it be possible for that person to post the link to that web page? That would be beneficial, in my view.

I would also be interested in seeing those images "in context" to the site from which they came, out of curiosity. Were those the least suggestive images from the site? Were they the "front" images for a gateway to something else? Just wondering.


On another point, Largo wrote:

earlier sentence touches on what I mentioned earlier - strong reactions usually denote a history of sorts, often untoward, so sensitivity is indicated. It's mostly about the involuntary associations that accrue to a person, place or thing which determines our views; and everyone's past is not a glorious sunset. That's why a seemingly benign thread about a body part can trigger a Gorilla Monsoon of guff and emotional arcing.


Originally I thought he was suggesting people might consider being sensitive to others, considering the possibility that these images were upsetting for a very ugly reason, and one which most men here would loudly rail against if asked their opinion on sexual abuse.

But now I wonder if he wasn't just saying "Those expressing discomfort/upset are more sensitive because they were abused."


If the former - it goes worth saying that it has been well documented that at least 1 in 4 women in the US has been manipulated or forced into sex by the time she was 18 years of age. Personally, I think it is more than one in four. I'm not really even 100% sure I have ever met a woman who hasn't experienced that(though I certainly don't want any women I know of to believe that I look at them and think "probably has been." It's just an awareness that came to my mind as I was typing just now).

I don't mean to suggest anyone ought to "disclose" their freedom from being sexually abused as a minor, but I am pretty sure, in all the discussions I have had over the years, that I have never had a woman say they had made it to 18 without being molested.

I've seem plenty get uncomfortable in being part of a discussion of the matter, others listen silently and express sympathy with a look of fear in their eyes, others who tell me they don't remember many years of their childhood, including one who cannot recall ANYTHING between the years of 10 to 14), which can be an indication of trauma.


At any rate - if you KNOW that at least SOME of the women in this forum have had that trauma, is it too much to ask to behave with a modicum of respect? At least stop the taunting, trivializing, and gang-mentality intimidation baloney.

If the latter - yes. For me, at least, body memories are a "sensitivity issue" I experience(I assume most here know, or do now, that I am one of the "1 in 4" women). It was not the images in that thread that triggered them in me, but a post made by one person, intended to taunt t*r, and the subsequent(though small) gang pile-on in support, and the intimidation/minimization tactics that have been deployed against people in the various related threads. It probably comes from having my 8 year old sister come to me, as a nine year old, seeking help; disclosing that she had been forced to perform fellatio on a grown man. When I declared the action we'd take - what to me was the obvious thing to do (go to our mother) - she told me that he had "explained" how her mother wouldn't understand, would be jealous of her and might hate her out of that jealously. At least so long as she was alive. Because the knowledge of "their secret" would break her mother's heart, and that her mother would die from that heartbreak.

And for those who would suggest I seek professional help, believe me when I tell you I have been through quite a bit of it and have made extraordinary progress. That I am here telling you this small fraction of my story is one testament to that. To tell me "seek help" is nice - but in some cases I know what is actually going on with that suggestion. The person is uncomfortable with a woman who won't shut her mouth when politely asked, or the person is feeling discomfort themselves - which is their business and not mine.

Thank you to those who have refrained from hurling at me some of the sh#t they seem to have no problem hurling at others. But I must remind you - those men and women are "my sisters and brothers" and I will not let you shut us up.





bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:46am PT
Ladies (and Gentlemen), we may not all agree on every fine point of this but I think it is vital we all continue to speak truth to power.

Gilroy

Social climber
Boulderado

Jan 27, 2013 - 09:01am PT
Ladies and Gentlemen, we may not all agree on every fine point of this but I think it is vital we all continue to speak truth to power.

Knew that's what you meant. Fixed it for you, bvb. Wish the rest was as easy to fix.

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you

Jan 27, 2013 - 09:07am PT
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 27, 2013 - 09:11am PT
Not as on point vis-a-vis the dysfuntional gender politics we are enduring here, but Neil Young is always apropos!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 09:15am PT


JUST general information:

http://storylineblog.com/2012/03/09/are-you-playing-the-victim-without-knowing-it/
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland

Jan 27, 2013 - 09:18am PT
Thank you Riley.

I have to remember to ALWAYS start a day with a positive tune.

Recommended!
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 09:28am PT
And on it continues, with take-down attempts at minimizing, taunting and flagrant as#@&%e behavior of "You're making a serious discussion? Here -let me throw in a shot of chicks having (photo-simulated) sex, to keep the creeps rallied and interested."


Jim Brennen is polite and makes his points without resorting to cheap tactics, but I do find his claim of "no prepubescent" as interesting. I believe that puberty in females is defined as commencing with the onset of the first menstruation. How can anyone here "know" those girls in the images at question had passed this stage in life?

Someone had claimed earlier that they backtracked the images, and came to model release disclosure information on the site. They did not provide links to that information. I wonder whether such a link on a website featuring images of young-in-appearance subjects in sexualized scenes is any more that a simple "stamp of authority" put up in case someone comes across the images, questions the legality so that they see this disclaimer and go "Okay, all good to go."

Would it be possible for that person to post the link to that web page? That would be beneficial, in my view.

I would also be interested in seeing those images "in context" to the site from which they came, out of curiosity. Were those the least suggestive images from the site? Were they the "front" images for a gateway to something else? Just wondering.


On another point, Largo wrote:

earlier sentence touches on what I mentioned earlier - strong reactions usually denote a history of sorts, often untoward, so sensitivity is indicated. It's mostly about the involuntary associations that accrue to a person, place or thing which determines our views; and everyone's past is not a glorious sunset. That's why a seemingly benign thread about a body part can trigger a Gorilla Monsoon of guff and emotional arcing.


Originally I thought he was suggesting people might consider being sensitive to others, considering the possibility that these images were upsetting for a very ugly reason, and one which most men here would loudly rail against if asked their opinion on sexual abuse.

But now I wonder if he wasn't just saying "Those expressing discomfort/upset are more sensitive because they were abused."


If the former - it goes worth saying that it has been well documented that at least 1 in 4 women in the US has been manipulated or forced into sex by the time she was 18 years of age. Personally, I think it is more than one in four. I'm not really even 100% sure I have ever met a woman who hasn't experienced that(though I certainly don't want any women I know of to believe that I look at them and think "probably has been." It's just an awareness that came to my mind as I was typing just now).

I don't mean to suggest anyone ought to "disclose" their freedom from being sexually abused as a minor, but I am pretty sure, in all the discussions I have had over the years, that I have never had a woman say they had made it to 18 without being molested.

I've seem plenty get uncomfortable in being part of a discussion of the matter, others listen silently and express sympathy with a look of fear in their eyes, others who tell me they don't remember many years of their childhood, including one who cannot recall ANYTHING between the years of 10 to 14), which can be an indication of trauma.


At any rate - if you KNOW that at least SOME of the women in this forum have had that trauma, is it too much to ask to behave with a modicum of respect? At least stop the taunting, trivializing, and gang-mentality intimidation baloney.

If the latter - yes. For me, at least, body memories are a "sensitivity issue" I experience(I assume most here know, or do now, that I am one of the "1 in 4" women). It was not the images in that thread that triggered them in me, but a post made by one person, intended to taunt t*r, and the subsequent(though small) gang pile-on in support, and the intimidation/minimization tactics that have been deployed against people in the various related threads. It probably comes from having my 8 year old sister come to me, as a nine year old, seeking help; disclosing that she had been forced to perform fellatio on a grown man. When I declared the action we'd take - what to me was the obvious thing to do (go to our mother) - she told me that he had "explained" how her mother wouldn't understand, would be jealous of her and might hate her out of that jealously. At least so long as she was alive. Because the knowledge of "their secret" would break her mother's heart, and that her mother would die from that heartbreak.

And for those who would suggest I seek professional help, believe me when I tell you I have been through quite a bit of it and have made extraordinary progress. That I am here telling you this small fraction of my story is one testament to that. To tell me "seek help" is nice - but in some cases I know what is actually going on with that suggestion. The person is uncomfortable with a woman who won't shut her mouth when politely asked, or the person is feeling discomfort themselves - which is their business and not mine.

Thank you to those who have refrained from hurling at me some of the sh#t they seem to have no problem hurling at others. But I must remind you - those men and women are "my sisters and brothers" and I will not let you shut us up.

Bravo!

All the vermin's here need to read this instead of jerking off.

She captures the nuances of female sexuality very well and WHY it is a very sensitive subject and the fact that female sexuality is so very little understood even to this day.


locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 09:30am PT



"read this instead of jerking off"...


I just read it while I was "jerking off"...


MUCH more enjoyable!!!...
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you

Jan 27, 2013 - 09:44am PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive-Aggressive_Personality_Disorder


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_Personality_Disorder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder






The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 27, 2013 - 09:48am PT
ALL TIME smart ass remark there LOCKER!

locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 09:50am PT


"ALL TIME smart ass remark there LOCKER!"...



I was being SERIOUS...
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho

Jan 27, 2013 - 09:50am PT
nuances of female sexuality


WTF? No one ever mentioned *that* in PE.
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 09:56am PT
careful boys, its that cocky attitude that was and still is one of the main problems in past sex threads and this current thread according to happiegirl
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 09:56am PT


"All the vermin's here"...

Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:00am PT
Exemplary post Happiegirl...one of the most germane I've seen on the web. Thanks for expending the effort in face of a hard-boiled crowd.

The last wheel fell off the boobie wagon days before the "innocent Jill" images were posted. I wouldn't single out IHP as cad when many posted photos with an exploitive implication.

...I have doubts most here will "get it". Most of the assemblage seems to think the complaint is against nudity or exhibiting certain body parts, rather than moral insinuations and social consequences of how genders are portrayed relative to one another in some of these depictions. Art or photography can be obscene without ANY nudity if it glorifies dominion and control over others, slavery, imperious violence, dehumanization, exploitation etc.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:00am PT
Regarding the psych links, as they pertain to me(not suggesting anyone is suggesting they do, but in general we human do think subsequent posts on the internet are "about us" as a natural response, even at times when they are not):

To the "unconscious victim" one, I am no victim. I am a warrior.

Regarding what I assume are descriptives on personality disorders: I have been to the shrink, and I have been in women's workshops led by professionals in the field. I'm aware of each of those, and don't fall into the categories. That's not my self-diagnosis, by the way.

But, I am curious - May I ask for clarification from those who posted them as to their reasoning behind suggesting others ought to review that information?
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:02am PT
canyoncat

Social climber
SoCal

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:05am PT
Oh for pity's sake. Is it too much to ask for those who have all these personal issues that have required years of therapy (and made "significant gains") to keep their sorry ass problems to themselves, and stop trying to push them upon women in general? It isn't all about YOU. While we're about it, could men please stop trying to "speak up for" the women who've run off whining and crying, saying they've been intimidated. They should speak for themselves. Oh, I forgot, they're too damn weak.

Women, if you've been intimidated stop running. Stop whining. Stop crying and sniveling. Just deal. Men like boobs. That isn't a bad thing. It is NOT responsible for burqhas. Get real. The problems of the world are not due to naked breasts on display.

In short, harden the f*ck up already.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:05am PT
There's probably a kernel here, something like "don't get between someone and their pain".
Work it out people!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:10am PT


Mostly AMERICANS of course (Speaking of STUPIDITY)...

part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:12am PT
Oh for pity's sake. Is it too much to ask for those who have all these personal issues that have required years of therapy (and made "significant gains") to keep their sorry ass problems to themselves, and stop trying to push them upon women in general? It isn't all about YOU. While we're about it, could men please stop trying to "speak up for" the women who've run off whining and crying, saying they've been intimidated. They should speak for themselves. Oh, I forgot, they're too damn weak.

Women, if you've been intimidated stop running. Stop whining. Stop crying and sniveling. Just deal. Men like boobs. That isn't a bad thing. It is NOT responsible for burqhas. Get real. The problems of the world are not due to naked breasts on display.

In short, harden the f*ck up already.


this is exactly the problem. Women being thrown up against the "male standard". The "male standard" is not a male standard, it is treated as THE standard.

locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:14am PT


...

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:20am PT
But, I am curious - May I ask for clarification from those who posted them as to their reasoning behind suggesting others ought to review that information?

No definitely not you Happiegirl - you are pretty darn wonderful and normal..
WE all have our issues - no Saints and no perfect people anywhere.
But there are people, a few, who are truly sick.

I just put it out there for the people in the know..

Psych is very hard - when I first take clinical psych 20 years ago everyone in the class diagnosed themselves with everything and it was scary in an lol way..
After 20 years it is still an evolving field - you tend to meet lots of different types in ERs. I have always tried to help these folks as much as possible - but some are so incredibly beyond help it is hard to understand.
You can't help many but you don't want to enable them either.

I have always been a sucker for a hot chick, big breasts and a sad tale - story of my life..

I think Locker has a lot of psych training as well.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:23am PT


My info was for EVERYONE to read...

No one in particular...

Just pointing out how EASY it can be to PLAY the "Victim" card...



and as the aritcle I posted pointed out...

we ALL do it, at times...


So IF you're trying to MAKE it about YOU...

it will be...

Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:26am PT
Canyoncat

Dude, Stop where you are. Your digging yourself into a grave. Don't ever tell a woman over the age of twelve that she is whining, sniveling, etc. EVEN IF SHE IS YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COMMENT... If you do, you will become a target for all the wrongs of the world. You will find yourself in a special hell that only a woman can create. She and all her family and friends will NEVER forgive you.

Ways to deal when a woman who is feeling sensitive.

Rule one... Nod your head.
Rule two... Tell her something positive.
Rule three... Either agree, support or "here's a smart one for you..." SHUT UP.


That's it. Just ask any married man who has lasted ten years or more... This is the only way to survive. (Yes, I am advising you like a sister and I am only going to do this once. After this, you are on your own.)


Locker,

I think she is just sharing a point of view. It's not about her or I, it's about being aware of others and why they might feel threatened. I think it's a valid point even though I personally don't share it.

Plus Locker, you Know I don't play the victim card. Confused, upset, yes. A victim... Nah, I've hurt myself and the only way one can overcome hurt is by taking control over what is the possible. I can't control others, but I sure as heck can control my reaction to them, how I set myself up, live, etc. Life is stranger than fiction, that's for sure.

AFS




happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:26am PT
Just deal. Men like boobs. That isn't a bad thing. .....Get real. The problems of the world are not due to naked breasts on display.


In THESE post-Boobs thread threads, the problem has not been about men liking boobs at all! Why do some continue to insist(and you, Canyoncat insist in the above) that is the discussion we are having?

WHY should we shut our mouths because YOU don't like what is coming out of them. Take your OWN advice(not Canyoncat specifically) and "deal." But since your invective does seemed aimed at me:
I don't have any sorry ass problems. "Sorry" that the image of an 8 year old coming to her 9 year old sister, and asking her to decide the fate of her life is a "sorry ass" problem in your eyes.

It was after some consideration that I decided to create that imagery(which is factual and an understated version, in case one misinterperates the word "imagery". "Sorry" it is offensive to your senses. Take your own advice and - just deal. Women like discussing things instead of ignoring them.

To say I pushed anything on women in general is bullshit - especially when I made an effort to clarify that point specifically! That viewpoint is your projection - not what is actually going on.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:33am PT

This one can be a DOOZY...

Almost impossible to see...(Often easy for others to see... Hard for the person of concern)...




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial

The Larry

climber
Moab, UT

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:35am PT
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:38am PT
Oh for pity's sake. Is it too much to ask for those who have all these personal issues that have required years of therapy (and made "significant gains") to keep their sorry ass problems to themselves, and stop trying to push them upon women in general? It isn't all about YOU. While we're about it, could men please stop trying to "speak up for" the women who've run off whining and crying, saying they've been intimidated. They should speak for themselves. Oh, I forgot, they're too damn weak.

Women, if you've been intimidated stop running. Stop whining. Stop crying and sniveling. Just deal. Men like boobs. That isn't a bad thing. It is NOT responsible for burqhas. Get real. The problems of the world are not due to naked breasts on display.

In short, harden the f*ck up already.

Thank you for restoring my faith in women Canyoncat. That took some balls to post up ; )

One of my pet peeves is women who demand to be treated as equals to men when it is to their advantage, but not equally if it isn't.

Women are not equal to men, hence the discord. Women have their unfair built in powers, men have theirs - it might actually balance out overall, somehow. But equal? No way.

Opposites attract. The battle of the sexes rages on.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:41am PT

What did I miss???...

WHO is this about???...

"Sorry" that the image of an 8 year old coming to her 9 year old sister, and asking her to decide the fate of her life is a "sorry ass" problem in your eyes."...



EDITED:

???...

Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:42am PT
Hey Happie,

Just give them a beer and walk away. Some guys are hopeless. Seriously not worth the effort. At least they are fun to watch as they fumble around through life wondering about obvious things.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:45am PT


Anastasia...

"Just give them a beer and walk away"...

Alcohol LOWERS inhibitions...

MIGHT NOT BE SUCH A GUD IDEA!!!...

LOL!!!...
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:49am PT
hey wasn't it a dude who started this thread whining in the first place?
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:50am PT


"hey wasn't it a dude"...


It was Tony...

So it's questionable...
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 10:51am PT

Ways to deal when a woman who is feeling sensitive.

Rule one... Nod your head.
Rule two... Tell her something positive.
Rule three... Either agree, support or "here's a smart one for you..." SHUT UP.


Don't those rules apply only to a dude who is trying to pursue the act or actively f*#king a chick?

as a side note: one of the top 3 or 4 rules of psychotherapy is do not assume, followed closely by the other golden rule: do not judge.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:01am PT
Nah...

It's about limiting the drama in your life. But I believe despite hearing so many claims that men don't like drama... You Guys Really LOVE drama. ST is full of it, full of assumptions, personal attacks and gossip, lots of b.s.

AFS
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:08am PT
Anastasia, I will walk away when I choose to walk away, but thanks for your concern.

Know when to hold up, fold up, walk away, run....If the series of posts were rounds in a card game, I am simply holding up my hand, at this point, when I post.

The time to fold, was when the Boobs thread was removed(which does not seem to have had anything to do with women voicing an opinion on the thread, as was suggested earlier). Instead of folding, a few men, who liked boobs, were unable to stop whining, crying and sniveling and just deal.

They didn't and here we are.


Why not tell those I was communicating with to just go get a beer and walk away? That Happiegrrl is "hopeless"(I don;t mean that negatively, but that I would not change my viewpoint)?

That would probably be the action more likely to stop the discourse. I am a Taurus: bull-headed. They stop posting invectives - there will be no reason to continue the conversation. I wouldn't consider it any sort of a coup, personally or for women in general, if that happened. But it would be a win for the Supertopo site.

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:09am PT
Eff that. I say what I wish, when I wish & how I goddam wish.
If you don't like it, that's on you.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:10am PT


Another "Side note":

"as a side note: one of the top 3 or 4 rules of psychotherapy "...



Uh...

this ISN'T psychotherapy...

So the "RULES" do not necessarily apply...

The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:11am PT
You Guys Really LOVE drama

More like it's the price we pay to "get along" with the girls we LOVE.
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:12am PT
Quack :)
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:16am PT
I like eating popcorn.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:17am PT

Women, if you've been intimidated stop running. Stop whining. Stop crying and sniveling. Just deal. Men like boobs. That isn't a bad thing. It is NOT responsible for burqhas. Get real. The problems of the world are not due to naked breasts on display.

In short, harden the f*ck up already.

This is an excellent paraphrase of the Riot Grrrl perspective/manifesto/POV. Especially the "if you've been intimidated stop running" part. Nothing scares a guy more than a no-nonsense-won't-take-sh#t-woman.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:17am PT

"I like eating popcorn."...



I like eating something else but I am AFFRAID to say what, for SERIOUS fear of getting SHOT...





















































I was talking about Peanut M&M's...



Don't shoot me!!!...




Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:18am PT
Lol - this thread is getting weird!!!

Anastasia has now joined forces with the army that was initially attacking her!!

Holy moly!!
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:18am PT
Why not tell those I was communicating with to just go get a beer and walk away?



yea, or just go get laid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LOL
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:19am PT
I think Locker has a lot of psych training as well.

Wait, I thought locker WAS the training?


part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:21am PT
Anastasia, I will walk away when I choose to walk away, but thanks for your concern.

Know when to hold up, fold up, walk away, run....If the series of posts were rounds in a card game, I am simply holding up my hand, at this point, when I post.

The time to fold, was when the Boobs thread was removed(which does not seem to have had anything to do with women voicing an opinion on the thread, as was suggested earlier). Instead of folding, a few men, who liked boobs, were unable to stop whining, crying and sniveling and just deal.

They didn't and here we are.


Why not tell those I was communicating with to just go get a beer and walk away? That Happiegrrl is "hopeless"(I don;t mean that negatively, but that I would not change my viewpoint)?

That would probably be the action more likely to stop the discourse. I am a Taurus: bull-headed. They stop posting invectives - there will be no reason to continue the conversation. I wouldn't consider it any sort of a coup, personally or for women in general, if that happened. But it would be a win for the Supertopo site.

the sad reality is, despite all this huffing and puffing trying to blow the house down, at the end of the day guys will still want to have their hands on a nice pair of round breasts and women will still be hypersexualized and boys will continue to be boys.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:22am PT


"Wait, I thought locker WAS the training?"...


I do like to play the "Devils advocate"...

So you're NOT that far off...

;-)







EDITED:

"the sad reality is, despite all this huffing and puffing trying to blow the house down, at the end of the day guys will still want to have their hands on a nice pair of round breasts and women will still be hypersexualized and boys will continue to be boys." and human LIFE will continue...







part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:23am PT
Nothing scares a guy more than a no-nonsense-won't-take-sh#t-woman.


yea women can't really get away with that type of behavior freely or with a free conscience mainly because at the end of the day, this type of female personality is not attractive to men.
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:25am PT
people started throwing personality disorders into the mix, so I thought I'd give people a reality check when it comes to the field and the concept of "diagnosis" or classification of mental illness.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:26am PT
It's called getting informed and realizing "WTF!"... Posting underage kids?
Treating some of the women here in abusive manners... What the heck were you guys thinking?

Plus, seriously... You think a woman will not know what an underage girl looks like? How can a man be an expert unless the unthinkable or... Even if you messed around with a girl the same age when you were a kid, you still are not remotely qualified. The only way I can figure that a man would know more is being a doctor.

The fact is people I trust have sent me emails and I am appalled, extremely dismayed by this. I expected better... I believe in better.

Now it's up to you.





bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:29am PT

yea women can't really get away with that type of behavior freely or with a free conscience mainly because at the end of the day, this type of female personality is not attractive to men.

Not in my neck of the woods!
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:32am PT
Lol - this battle is ending with crazy woman - And ironically it was started by crazy woman..


It never had anything to do with whether looking at boobs was or is bad.
It had everything to do with woman angry because somebody was looking at someone else's boobs instead of theirs!!!
God forbid - someone else's boobs get more attention than their boobs!!

bahahahahahaha

i see it all now!!!!

bahahahaha
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:32am PT
bvb,
I like your woods.
Thanks,
AFS
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:32am PT
"Wait, I thought locker WAS the training?"...

you mean like a crash test dummy?

Susan
weezy

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:33am PT
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:35am PT
Riley,

I would be offended, but seeing that sanity is not common around here. In fact most of you make me look extremely logical and calm. I'm smiling.

Hugs,
AFS

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:37am PT
especially rule number three


Rule three... Either agree, support or "here's a smart one for you..." SHUT UP.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:39am PT


"In fact most of you make me look extremely logical and calm"...

Might want to consider UNDERLINING and making BOLD that word...

"look"...






Because yer NUTS!!!...

LOL!!!...



Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:40am PT
stop bumping this VERY good advice


Rule three... Either agree, support or "here's a smart one for you..." SHUT UP.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:41am PT



BUMP...


;-)
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:42am PT
Yes that's obvious. A sane woman would not get married.

What's your point Locker?
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:42am PT
when a man posts a picture of a beautiful woman and her boobs, it immediately comes across as an act of power on the part of the man and can be a rather oppressive, intimidating sensation.


locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:43am PT


"Why are Republicans Wrong about Everything?"...

Because they're TOO, "Serious"...
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:44am PT


"Yes that's obvious. A sane woman would not get married.

What's your point Locker?"...



^^^

See...


NUTS!!!...


;-)

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:47am PT
Anastasia - think back to the first time you and TR met - it might start to make more sense..lol
I wasn't there that weekend but three ST guys i have talked to in the last week, who where there, have brought it up..



AS far as the teenage girl stuff - I only clicked on the silly thread one time - so I am not sure who people are talking about.
But if folks were posting anything approaching young girls that is f*#king disgusting. Being as I live in house with three woman and two of them are underage.
And yes - I have a strong instinct to kill pedophiles of every kind!
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:52am PT
Dude, Stop where you are. Your digging yourself into a grave. Don't ever tell a woman over the age of twelve that she is whining, sniveling, etc. EVEN IF SHE IS YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COMMENT... If you do, you will become a target for all the wrongs of the world. You will find yourself in a special hell that only a woman can create. She and all her family and friends will NEVER forgive you.

Ways to deal when a woman who is feeling sensitive.

Rule one... Nod your head.
Rule two... Tell her something positive.
Rule three... Either agree, support or "here's a smart one for you..." SHUT UP.


That's it. Just ask any married man who has lasted ten years or more... This is the only way to survive. (Yes, I am advising you like a sister and I am only going to do this once. After this, you are on your own.)

Hey Ana, I'm pretty sure canyoncat is a woman.....
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:53am PT
when a man posts a picture of a beautiful woman and her boobs, it immediately comes across as an act of power on the part of the man and can be a rather oppressive, intimidating sensation.

what are you talking about?? lol
Your entire posting history here is posting pictures of your tits and ass!
lol

And you also need to learn the difference between psycho-analytical jibberish and actual treatment and diagnosis.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:54am PT
But if folks were posting anything approaching young girls that is f*#king disgusting

yes, especially towards the end, there was a lot of that going on

doesn't matter a bit if the girls were under 18 or not, the point is that they look like it

it was wrong to post those pics, and guess what?

guys don't get to be the "judges" of what is appropriate to post of women's bodys

women get to decide that, period
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:56am PT

"AS far as the teenage girl stuff - I only clicked on the silly thread one time - so I am not sure who people are talking about.
But if folks were posting anything approaching young girls that is f*#king disgusting."...

Am I one of the ONLY ones that saw those shots???...

At the end of the thread, there were at least TWO photo's of what APPEARED to be underage females (Notice the word, "APPEARED")...

Even I questioned them being posted here and posted as much on the thread...

To me it doesn't matter IF they were underage or not...

The IMAGE was for sure to PORTRAY them as VERY young and I can FULLY UNDERSTAND why CMac would want them GONE and WHY some woman and MEN here didn't find them very tasteful...(Me included)



I totally AGREE that posting them went too far and I'd guess that IHP was well aware that they would bring some HEAT...

JUST my opinion...

NOTHING MORE!!!...

Only holds weight to me and even then, it's not always the case...

;-)




NORTON EDIT:

I must have been typing my rant while you were posting yours...



part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:57am PT
Your entire posting history here is posting pictures of your tits and ass!
lol


yea, I was trying to reverse the roles in a complex project of the intellect. Sort of like an examination of culture and gender. Different from how or why guys post pics of boobs.
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:58am PT
And you also need to learn the difference between psycho-analytical jibberish and actual treatment and diagnosis.



LOL. I am a trained professional, dipsh#t.


Have you had your c*#k sucked recently? If so, settle down.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Riley,

That is neither here nor there. I do remember and it's not important. The goal to this life is to grow. T.R. at that time was in a growth spurt... Yes, there was some silly stuff yet... Even though it isn't recommended, shiest sure does make plants flourish.

Even though everyone alive gets dirty in it, I hope we all use it to better ourselves instead of using it to make others smaller.

Especially this recent b.s.

Please... If you guys can do me a favor, do this... Those who said mean stuff, "you know who you are." Private Message an Apology to the people you said it to. It's just the descent thing to do.

As for the rest, let it go...

AFS
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:58am PT

Have you had your c*#k sucked recently? If so, settle down.



Credit: philo



Or as the old computer programers used to say; Garbage in Garbage out.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 11:59am PT


and out of the blue you get some fuking GEMS!!!...


"I am a trained professional, dipsh#t.


Have you had your c*#k sucked rec
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 29, 2013 - 03:13am PT
The LAST installment of Tony's Serious matter.


part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
LOL.

I know I'm making myself CRACK up here too....




philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
Is a trained professional Dip-Sh#t that much better than an amateur one?
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
I totally AGREE that posting them went too far and I'd guess that, IHP was well aware that they would bring some HEAT...

JUST my opinion...

NOTHING MORE!!!...

Only holds weight to me and even then, it's not always the case...

;-)

Yup! Exactly


Susan
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
At least this drivelling psychobabble has kept the gun nutter threads off page one.
So I give this phaff and whinge-fest two BOOBs up!
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
Lol!
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
Yup,

...and there is a reason some girls only have male friends. I use to be like that, until I figured a few things out.

Same rules apply to us dealing with our own gender. Once we get it, yeah... A whole lot less drama. Women are actually pretty wonderful friends once you treat them appropriately. In fact, once you figure it out, most of them actually have a bit less drama than guys. Compare their drama to ST... It incredibly less drama. Tons and tons of less drama...

AFS
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:10pm PT

Here I go again...

Heading out on that fuking LIMB...



EDITED:

That wasn't going to go well for me...

LOL!!!...
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
Anastasia I respect you (and most of the ST women) immensely. I can empathize with the concerns expressed by several female posters. Yes, traumas in our pasts can have dramatic effects on our nows. So I am bummed the reason d'etre for the original BOOBS thread has been lost in all the chaff and choss. When I was serving in Africa I had the ever so pleasant experience of having another mans blood and brains sprayed across my face when he was shot in the head at close range. So I am a little bothered that the post Sandy Hook threads became - Look at my BIG GUN show and tells.
We live in a culture that glorifies violence and demonizes sexuality. Is it any wonder that the two commingle and that sexually repressed men turn to violent means for gratification? In some ways isn't it what is to be expected? Can it be changed? Do we want to change it?

Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
We do...

But sometimes I think it gets worse instead of better. Women fought for equal rights. The right to work, be educated, drive a car, to be allowed into the sport of climbing, etc. So now it gets twisted...

Somehow instead of making us have more options, we got lost... We now must have a great full time job, raise perfect kids while working forty hours a week, be highly educated, be beautiful and sexy, clean the house, stay fit and take a hit like a man. The expectations are getting ridicules. I think now women are regressing, going against feminism because at least our previous roles were well defined and "manageable." It does not make men right, instead it's a sign of great failure for us all as a society.

That's my two cents.

P.S. Also because women are failing against these impossible new standards, some men are using it to confirm their domination, that women somehow can't hack it... They were somehow right for their male chauvinistic approach to life. Never mind they can't achieve those standards themselves... It's really sad. I also feel really bad that in order for a woman to be in a dominate role, many don't have role models to shape their behavior and end up using the old bitch card. Plus, society placing young woman on pedestals as being the ideal. It has created a world without elders, without the respect for wisdom they could teach us. Old means wasted, not wise sadly applies to both men and women. It's a great loss...
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
Women fought for equal rights. The right to work, be educated, drive a car, to be allowed into the sport of climbing, etc.

the only remaining thing left to do is fight against the male standard. Work, education, car driving, climbing is all done in accordance to the male standard.
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Somehow instead of making us have more options, we got lost... We now must have a great full time job, raise perfect kids while working forty hours a week, be highly educated, be beautiful and sexy, clean the house, stay fit and take a hit like a man. The expectations are getting ridicules. I think now women are regressing, going against feminism because at least our previous roles were well defined and "manageable." It does not make men right, instead it's a sign of great failure for us all as a society.


yea, in my humble opinion, woman's identity is still an unknown.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:35pm PT

It may well be the beginning of the end, of MANkind...





philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
And hopefully the beginning of Kind Men.



Somehow instead of making us have more options, we got lost... We now must have a great full time job, raise perfect kids while working forty hours a week, be highly educated, be beautiful and sexy, clean the house, stay fit and take a hit like a man.


Wait, you mean you don't? :)

Define yourself don't let yourself be defined.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
the only remaining thing left to do is fight against the male standard. Work, education, car driving, climbing is all done in accordance to the male standard.

WTF is the "male standard". Please give me some criteria. As a generalization I'm not sure what you mean.


Women in combat now, or soon. Is it going to be the "male standard" against which they need to perform or a universal standard of what does it take to get the job done and the troops are safe?

Susan
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
^^^ excellent point
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:48pm PT

"WTF is the "male standard". Please give me some criteria"...


Start here!!!...

LOL!!!...


...



EDITED:

I know I already posted the song...

This is a DIFFERENT version...

Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
Interesting turn here. I've not made feeling inferior to "men" part of my world view. Maybe I just had a strong matriarchal family structure growing up. I don't like to speculate on the absolutes in the gender equality issue but prefer to focus on the continuum that allows for balance.


edit: Susan, women have already been operating in combat for quite sometime. Physical training standards are based on age and gender. Although, even by the younger male standards I was no slouch. Except running. Hate it!
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
Jeez - I go get a coffee thinking this was chillin' out, and the sh#t just hits the fan!

Excellent!

Being a typical guy, I just love drama...


I can't believe LP called me an "old goat" - she is so insensitive, and I feel so degraded : (

Are you other "old goats" gonna defend me or are you guys just as insensitive?


SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
"WTF is the "male standard". Please give me some criteria"...


Start here!!!...

LOL!!!...

a song?!!! oh great. Might as well be on an 8-track.


FWIW, I fell in love with Joshua Ledet on American Idol last year singing that song. The only time I ever saw AI when I was channel surfing and saw him. Ohhhhhh

Susan
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
Women in combat now, or soon. Is it going to be the "male standard" against which they need to perform or a universal standard of what does it take to get the job done and the troops are safe?

male and universal standard are one and the same thing in our society.

it simply means a standard of how things should be done, a standard which defines excellence and performance. A standard which everything else is judged against. For example, take any sport in our society. This sport exists because it has been deemed as a "worthy pursuit" according to the male standard. Male standards means the dominant standard, a standard through which society leads its day to day happenings. The standard which is pioneered and led by men is generally viewed as "superior" because the male standard is in place when evaluating action, people, and events. Sexuality is understood according to the "dominant male standard" (usually something along the lines of gender differences and sex is natural and biological)

Women, as active participants of the work force and society at large, follow the male standard.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Jan 27, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
Warbler the battle was lost long ago ( at least 570 posts ago) we old goats can all commiserate with a round of ship dip.

Bartender let me buy this round a table.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
All I know is women being educated, entering fields that were once exclusive to men is still very new. For those unaware of history it might appear that we've done this forever. Yet in reality it's only been maybe two generations of women experiencing these freedoms. In my own case, I am the first woman in my Mom's family to go to college and leave her parents house without being married. Think on that. Plus in the field of surgery, it is still rare to find women performing and staying until retirement.

I am seriously giving it seven generations for things to balance out, society to really grasp the magnitude of it all. Until then, yes... The battle of the sexes will go on.

On a personal note... When a guy can keep female friends and treat them accordingly and morally correct, that is a sure sign that he might be able to see them beyond their physical uses. When he can't, refuses friendship because it "might" be too tempting, she isn't his physical type, whatever... That says a ton too.
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
another example of male standard is to favor visual over the psychological. Another example of male standard is to favor logic over emotion.

hence some of the heated response where some of the guys get all worked up and go "its just boobs!!!!!"

well, its more than just boobs. The question of 1. what is important and 2. what are the definition of things and how are words used

those questions are usually addressed in the framework of the male standard (or male norms)
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz

Jan 27, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
it simply means a standard of how things should be done

so open to interpretation...without some "specifics" of what does this male standard "look like" or some metrics it's all in the beholder's mind. If one wants to play the downtrodden "victim" to what they conjure up about unfairness, then so be it. Its a disingenuous argument with no science or verifiable metrics or standards behind it...just conjecture. There are real battles of discrimination to fight, not worth wasting time on the "soap box" of perceived inequalities.


Edit:
Ana, I understand what you say about the evolution of women into once male-dominated fields. My grandma was a suffargette. I was of the generation that burned our bras (which worked for at least several decades until we couldn't pass the pencil test anymore). The point I'm trying to make is then take "action", real action to speed up the process of eliminating discrimination where it really exists. Turning to soapboxes, arm chair ranting and ST forum is time ill spent. Oh geez, if I were younger I would dust off my SDS card (although I never built bombs or robbed banks). Alot of us are good at "spraying and praying" (that something will happen) then leaving the gunt work to someone else. Change requires action, not saliva.



Susan

happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 27, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
I would guess that a :male standard" is to consider things through the viewpoint and experience of males.

One example could be, I think, how recently it was discovered that women and men actually have differing symptoms of heart attack. Until that discovery, the symptoms that men presented were "the standard"(despite plenty of women having had heart attacks which ought to have provided some insight there were variables). Women were going to their doctor with symptoms which didn't fit the "standard" and risked misdiagnosis of impending heart issues.

Or, that women being seen as having primarily a sexual identity, above that of a human one, in media, is the way to utilize female actors, models, spokespeople, etc., because that is the accepted way to sell more products. It is assumed that is what men want, due to media being dominated by men(it still is, by the way, though not by as overwhelming a majority as was the case a generation ago). It may BE the way to sell more product to men, and women may have become desensitized to the point that it goes unnoticed a lot of the time. But if you asked women how they would design an ad for, say floor cleaner, they probably wouldn't make one like this...



Credit: happiegrrrl



edit: Link to ad on website. http://www.coloribus.com/adsarchive/prints/handy-andy-floor-cleaner-reflection-2234605/

This image was found by searching "ads for floor cleaning products + images" on Google, and was the first image displayed, by the way. There was no use of a gender-related keyword in my search.

Of interest might be that the floor that is shown is in a public space. Quick - what does the janitor cleaning that floor look like to you?




Was it a man? Don't women also work in janitorial jobs? I've seen a lot of women doing such work at public spaces, and it might be assumed that some of those women are the ones in charge of deciding what cleaning products their company uses. Do you think that a woman is going to see an ad that gets the floor surface so shiny people can see under women's skirts and think "That's the product for my company!"

Even so, why does the advertiser not care that the ad is pretty offensive, from most woman's standpoints? It might be because of a "male standard" of thinking which tends to minimize the importance of the female customer. I don't know why else.


philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Jan 27, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
Handy Andy. LOL



I am curious if any of you remember your high school biology classes?
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz

Jan 27, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
"the standard"(despite plenty of women having had heart attacks which ought to have provided some insight there were variables). Women were going to their doctor with symptoms which didn't fit the "standard" and risked misdiagnosis of impending heart issues.

Happie, a really good real, identifiable, quantifiable example! That is when progress is made, when we can clearly and specifically define the problem and attack it and change it. Women not having the right to vote was another definable problem...clearly defined, articulated and the result was visible!
If we can't define the problem in specific terms then we all just add our opinion and points of view.

Why am I getting into this? I'm retired from political action, my life is content. I AM NOT dusting off my SDS card...spend too many nights in a cold and clammy clinker ... but I think we made some progress back then, we sure were noisy!

Edit: Happie I wonder if it was female docs or researchers that caught the differences? If it were a team of male docs and researchers what were they trying to rip off from us (LOL)

Another example from my wild days was working (tirelessly, but I was young) for Title IX equality in sports. Some of the younger women on this forum probably take that all for granted. Still lots of work to be done, but sure beats the fact that as a female basketball player I was only allowed to play on half court, and if I was guard I could only go half court on that already half court. And we were only allowed to dribble 3 times. Yes, we were a gentle lot.


Susan
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
Sorry... But that is dang funny!

Good point Happy...

I know... I know...
But I have to say it, to me they are just boobs. The part that I, the very person that started the Boob thread that obviously doesn't mind boob pictures... What shocked and angered me "specifically" were the verbal attacks and the underage pictures. Yes, People are allowed to disagree, but how that was done was "Seriously Wrong." Also the kid pictures... That's just plain SCARY Bad. I don't give a hoot if they are somehow of age, or are stated somewhere as being of age. All that can be falsified and the intend was to make them look like kids so it's useless. They looked like children and that's enough.

People need to clean up their act. Try it, might even improve one's life outside of the Taco.

Let me repeat this... I never, ever imagined people going this far. Again, I expected better. I am extremely sorry for the mess. Yes, a joke gone bad but wow... That was something else and way to far...


P.S. I am of the 80's generation that grew up with MTV, Playboy, and big hair. Women were highly objectified in my generation. Lots of equal rights speech but reality was a bit different. My mother's generations was the real thing. Mine... It's way different and yes... My generation is the plastic surgery generation. That says it all.

(In my head I can hear the song my class made as their theme song for our senior float... Here it goes... "She's my Cherry Pie...")




toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 27, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
-


behold!!! ...a photographic study of a nude male...


Scotland's heavyweight Nude Wrestling champion!!!!!!!


vvv
vv
v

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mccx19sKuo1r6pvzjo1_500.jpg



nothing to get hysterical about! just a man sitting there naked. the image will not incite a man to go rape another man, or a woman....yadda yadda! pipe down, ya prudes!



image courtesy of the Institute of Nude Wrestling


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philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Jan 27, 2013 - 01:29pm PT


Credit: philo


happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 27, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
I don't recall the gender(s) of researchers who made that discovery, but believe the names of researchers was included in the media reports. So one might be able to easily find out.

One thing to mention is that the Obama campaign recently launched an interesting organization, "Organizing for Action" - link: http://www.barackobama.com/news/entry/welcome-to-organizing-for-action(I have not viewed the link, but wanted to provide some reference point).

This seems to me to have great potential for aiding individuals and grassroots organizations who seek to affect change(not necessarily gender-related, of course).

Could become a powerful aid in helping people bring change and get viewpoints heard beyond what we know often have(send a form letter to your congressman type thing).
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC

Jan 27, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
Just to be clear, I don't approve of underage models either. Not having seen the pics though, I have no basis to form an opinion on them.
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
A figure I respect a great deal is Catherine MacKinnon. I took a class on Feminism at UCLA and she was one of the figures we read. She hits the nail on the head the closest in my opinion and delves into the real issues such as power and male standards.

MacKinnon discussess the sameness/difference theory of sex equality, its dominance in shaping sex discrimination law and policy, and its flaws (discussed below). The sameness/difference theory is used to frame women’s rights under the law in terms of their sameness to men (e.g. deserving equal pay) or their difference from men (e.g. right of maternity leave).


(hence sex equality and how to make sense of the issue "woman" is framed within the backdrop of the MALE STANDARD)

and...

"Having power means, among other things, that when someone says, 'this is how it is,' it is taken as being that way. . . . Powerlessness means that when you say 'this is how it is,' it is not taken as being that way.-CMac
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA

Jan 27, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
Geez, you wimmen already got the purse strings. Now you're gonna take over
the front lines. When the hell ya gonna be happy?
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
Big Mike,

I don't view things in black and white. Even though I really hate bullies and there was a whole lot of bullying going on.. I also don't believe in burning those very people at the stake.

It's also not important for "everyone" to see what happened and take up arms in a mass agreement. No one needs a Parisian Mob to correct the situation. That would only make things worse and be even more mindless. What is important is for the people causing the drama to understand and make amends.

We are adults so we can learn, make an effort to correct past grievances, forgive and grow/move on. Plus no one here has to like each other, but despite this simple fact, we should all respect and be considerate.

The problem was the lack of respect and consideration. They know who they are... They have the power to make right. In the end it really is that simple and the rest of us should stay out of the way.

No one wins, but at least we can salvage a bit from this wreckage. That little bit that can be salvaged is important. I wonder if they will be brave enough to take it on and do the right thing. If not, well... An old Greek saying is that "we create our own hells, the devil simply watches."



moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
Talking about being oppressed. I felt powerless in the gymnasium when there were only 7 boys and 22 girls in our class, and at the university with more girls than boys. So many Boobs! They could do whatever they wanted with me. And it was wonderful! hehehe
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
Is a trained professional Dip-Sh#t that much better than an amateur one?

Who cares? she has a rack that puts me into a mesmerized boobcoma.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
I'm reminded of the photo that's popped up here before of the "man machine" with the on/off switch and the "woman machine" with 50 different gauges, dials, adjustment knobs and switches.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
finally, this thread is getting serious
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
I think the bOObs thread hit a nerve or two because it embodies that kind of male spirit that goes back to primeval roots, which is the spirit of "I'm going to enjoy your body and look at it whether you like it or not." And posting pictures of beautiful women and their boobs satisfies that male impulse and spirit.

The compulsion to post these pictures is probably also a reflection of sexual repression because of all the societal norms and rules in place, men have to walk on their tiptoes in fear of being accused of sexual harassment or assault. And when you can freely post a pic of a beautiful woman and her boobs on a public website, it goes with the whole "I dont give a sh#t, I'm going to be a horny devil and get away with it" mindset. It is sort of an anarchist mentality. A symbolic rape, doing something against anothers wishes. Posting that picture, seeing how far I can take it, etc. which mimics sexual initiation and the pursuit of sex acts.It can also be fueled by a man's mandatory sexual conformity; unfulfilled fantasies, unsatisfactory sex lives with their significant other, etc. In short, the act of posting those pictures of boobs imitates the act of sex; to "act on", to "own", to "affirm", to show others that "I can and will do this." etc. etc. etc.

I think sex, from the biological history perspective, is something women were forced to learn to enjoy, whether they liked it or not. And now it has evolved socially as something women "enjoy."

ALL of it is psychology.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
The Yogi steps out swinging!!!


Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
bvb...

When you go to the fair grounds... Do you get lost staring at the balloons?
How about when you see two cantaloupes? Does the word GOOGLE leave you dumbfounded?

Dear Sir, how do you survive with this condition?
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
+1, Werner.

Haha! Kevin's an old goat!
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
I think the bOObs thread hit a nerve or two because it embodies that kind of male spirit that goes back to primeval roots, which is the spirit of "I'm going to enjoy your body and look at it whether you like it or not.
^^^Oh horse shit!
The compulsion to post these pictures is probably also a reflection of sexual repression
^^^ Oh and double dipshit!

It was a reaction to the objectification of the bodies of 20 slaughtered children.
Surround your self with all the Freshman College Psychbabble you want.
Create what ever scenario you deem fitting of your narrative and damn the reality.

If you could see a time line of posting you would see a clear correlation of Boob posts to Gun Posts.
It was never intended to be an exercise in puriant misogyny. It sux it devolved as all ST threads do. But get over it and get over yourself.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
I'm going to enjoy your body and look at it whether you like it or not.

What a crock o' sh#t that is PTC


99% of those women looked happy, if not thrilled, about being photographed, and I'm assuming being the object of men's desire. Or they're faking it to make money. Either way, it's their choice and they benefit one way or another.

Not all women have hangups about their bodies and sex.




philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
Churls gone wild.
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
I'm going to go play with my vibrator now, bvb.

oops, I meant to say brb!

LOL
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
Oh and double dipshit!

I'm talking about the bOObs thread in general and all the pics posted of wholesome grown women and their large boobs!, in no way was I isolating the case of the underage chicks!!!

now brb!!
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
PTC is not helping her Cause. Good thing she's not Real.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
I'm going to go play with my vibrator now, bvb.

So THAT'S what rolling up the vagina means!
toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
.


http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbzo1ih8qx1r6pvzjo1_500.jpg




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toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
^^^^^^^^^


i think that's tony bird





,
BrendaPuff

Sport climber
Boulder, Co.

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:50pm PT


Boobs!
Boobs!
Credit: PTC



Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
I can see this is goin' nowhere FAST.
Peace. Out.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
I know too many woman that like to be looked at. Seek it, dress for it, desire it.

I don't view them as victims.

Also keep in mind... The world is stranger than fiction, one's logic, morals and the rest does not really work out in this reality in a predictable manner.

I also don't think all the men enjoying the show are perverted, misogamist, male chauvinist, etc. etc. If that is the case... (Looking at Bill.) I'm in trouble.

In old days ankles made men wild, now it's boobs. Seriously, whatever...

What IS wrong are the verbal attacks that were suggesting gang rape... Again WTF was that? Plus those pictures, yadda, yadda, yadda. I've already said it all, hate repeating myself.

I bet if that didn't happen we will still have a boob thread until Big Blue and the cut and paste jokes got it banned. The stuff I am use to from you guys that even though it's tasteless. It's overall harmless.

Locker, you let me down man. Seriously... I had my money on you.

Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 03:43pm PT
Werner,


The problem is SAR hired the wrong Girl. You needed this gal.



Credit: Anastasia


Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
+a bunch, Ana.....grins
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 27, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
I'm going to go play with my vibrator now, bvb.

If you need a hand with that I'm available.

Dear Sir, how do you survive with this condition?

I merely admire from a discreet and tasteful distance. Women, all women, are works of art to me.
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
If you need a hand with that I'm available.

some of your bouldering pictures are really hot.

toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 27, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
Some of this sex equality is such total bullsh!t.

There was a period when we had 3/4 of the SAR team women.

Half of them couldn't carry sh!t. They didn't even want to.

They would stand there sucking their stupid camel back water waiting for the men to carry all the heavy sh!t every time.

On the litter carry outs they'd just hold on to the litter rail and put no meat into the litter causing a complete unbalance all the time or they couldn't even keep it balanced.

We'd continually have to fight to keep the litter balanced.

That really strains your back and arms.

All this while they're busy babbling endlessly about nothing down the trail.

On El Cap sars they'd just want to do edge control.

The easiest fuking job of em all.

You just stand there and watch the rope on the edge rollers basically.

The z- riggs are hard and you have to work to pull.

Where are they? Standing down there on the edge sucking on their camel backs being big heroes.

If you get into a male dominated field you better be able put out and carry your share.

We've finally got back to a more male dominated team and it's been over all much better again.



ive heard the same complaint from policemen and firemen who by law are required to work beside female recruits


same thing happens...a year into the job the femmes have had enough of the tough physical challenges so they start cooking up lame reasons to go out on permanent disability...



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Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
+1 again, Werner. Attitude can work Wonders. Or not.
Seriously.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz

Jan 27, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
women’s rights under the law in terms of their sameness to men (e.g. deserving equal pay) or their difference from men (e.g. right of maternity leave).

Are you suggesting men aren't entitled to maternity/paternity leave? What century you living in? Again I stand by my assertion that a bunch of talk about big ideas and how unfair things are do not address where the rubber hits the road. Pick an area where you feel unfair discrimination is based solely on gender and both genders are equally capable of effective results and go do something about it. Talk is cheap.

I took a class on Feminism

Let me know when you take a class, or can even find one on Masculinity. Then I'll know you're serious about gender equity ... Very different from gender equality....

Susan
TGT

Social climber
So Cal

Jan 27, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323539804578260132111473150.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Might want to get a bit in touch with reality here.
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
I'm not going to get into my personal life because it is tacky to do so, but I will do say that I fight gender discrimination in my own day to day life, every single day of the month and every single day of the year.

Also, why are women being allowed in military combat if everyone is griping so much about inadequate female performance in SAR and firefighter and police teams?

I call bullshit and males griping about it are purely sexist because seeing a woman in a police uniform is somehow "not right" or "just doesn't fit" in their opinion.

The fact that women get discouraged and seem apathetic in physical-based tasks in the mentioned jobs may not be because of female physical limitations, but more the fault of men and how they operate and the bar they set (the men determine what makes a job well done, etc.) If men are the ones that set the bar on a job task in favor of THEM succeeding (in other words creating the standard) its no wonder that women are set to fail. I read an article which captures this sentiment well. They were examining why there are less female students in the sciences, engineering, and mathematics. Well, research suggested it was not so much because of some sort of mumbo jumbo brain wiring differences in the genders, but because of how these academic institutions are structured: to favor male inclinations towards competition and analytic oriented methods of thinking and very individual based striving for success, which may alienate many prospective female students from entering those fields and succeeding in them. Kind of like growing squid or something along those lines, if you want one of the genders to succeed, you have to adjust the Ph of the water. Adjusting Ph's in societal language means revising norms and standards.



What a crock o' sh#t that is PTC


99% of those women looked happy, if not thrilled, about being photographed, and I'm assuming being the object of men's desire. Or they're faking it to make money. Either way, it's their choice and they benefit one way or another.

Not all women have hangups about their bodies and sex.

you would be surprised how much of women's sexuality emerges as a result of being imposed on them. Start off with the amount of attention young women start receiving (attention they receive whether they like it or not) once they mature into young women, all that attention is bound to impose sexuality on them because when you receive that type of attention, sharp poignant sexual attention directed at you, you can't help but start feeling sexy. Later when that young woman starts becoming sexually active, this experience inevitably arises. The man says "you like it, don't you?" and the woman (maybe has no choice) but to submissively say "yes" because culturally its the norm to "want" sex and to "enjoy" sex. But once again cultural norms gets into the sticky land of "male standards." This is not female sexuality, its male sexuality that women then adopt and start to find pleasure in.

heres a testament from my own experiences: When I was younger, like 16 or 17 and 18 years, I had no clue on what sex is and sexuality and would start getting unwanted attention from passerby's and the sh#t (men) when I would just walk around in public. I really didn't know how to make sense of any of it.


women will not get anywhere if they are afraid to hold controversial and unpopular viewpoints. The older women in this thread getting all catty with me because I have a youthful fine piece of ass goes nowhere.





Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
Seriously, Juanista?
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
Also, I would be very curious to have someone do more studies on female performance in physically demanding jobs such as SAR and firefighting.

I would wonder the following

1. Would all-women teams perform stronger and better?

2. Do the interaction between the sexes get in the way from optimal female physical performance on the job?

3. Do men maybe overcompensate in physical aggressiveness and strength and prowess on the job simply by a heightened surge of testosterone when they have females on their team?

4. Do women emotionally and psychologically begin to feel alienated because sexually-driven bullying tactics begin to form such as men banding together. (I've observed that more than on one occasion in the outdoors on outdoor trips =men feeling more comfortable banding together when there is a 2 to 1 male/female ratio.) Alienation=psychological distress=physical and mental performance suffers and you appear weaker.

There are many variables.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:02pm PT
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
Pretty soon women are going to blame us men
for them having to get Breast enlargements.

Edit
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
Well, I know that I like sex myself.

But about those SAR women with the wrong attitude...

How did they get hired, if I may ask? Who was the person making the interview/acceptance decision and how did they base the decision? Now if it was some horny guy and he looked over women with the can-do attitude in favor of the ...can-do "cans"....!


Here's me doing trailwork at my local crag. Oversized work gloves - made for man's size. I was so happy to find that Home Depot actually had woman's sized ones. I had NEVER seen them before at any of the hardware stores over the years. Mow I have gloves that fit my hands!


Credit: happiegrrrl




That one sort of looks like a girl playing at a guys job... or getting the easy work. Spooling up cable's not that hard. Somewhere I have another picture of me at trailwork, cranking a griphoist to pull along a stone that is about 5 foot by 3 foot by 1 foot think. Cranking for the pull isn't hard, just takes a long time, when the rock has to be moved 30 feet or more.

There are things I CAN'T do in trailwork that the guys can. I cannot lift 50 lbs and more stones by hand and carry them distances, as an example. Most the guys can do that all day(unless bad back). But i don not think there is anyone who has seen me at trailwork saying I am not pulling my weight, right alongside the guy team members.

But...I do have a bad attidue sometimes, like when the ta;lus slope was unstable and they wouldn't believe me when I said if we didn't change what we were doing we'd have an avalanche, and so I refused to continue working in that area it would go.

A rock mason professional came the next week and saw it all and agreed with me. My bad attitude enjoyed a pretty big smirk that day.
John M

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:14pm PT
I call bullshit and males griping about it are purely sexist because seeing a woman in a police uniform is somehow "not right" or "just doesn't fit" in their opinion.

I doubt Werner is bullshitting. Though He may be trolling.. LOL

I grew up in a farming town. There were girls who grew up on the farm and knew how to get into the middle of any heavy lifting, and then there were plenty of women who didn't know the first thing. Its something that can be taught but not everyone is willing. Its the same with guys. When I worked heavy construction putting in water mains I trained the new guy. There were guys who just didn't have a clue how to get into the middle of heavy lifting, and they were a pain to train, but if they were willing, you usually could. Then there were guys who had been doing it all their lives and it was a simple matter to fit them in and teach them. Its a matter of mindset and training.

Then there were guys that were just plain useless. We got rid of them quick. The pay was good and we didn't have to suffer fools.

The main thing I see is that there are just more guys who have learned how to help out in a heavy lifting situation. As a guy you are expected to help when something needs to be carried, so you learn young. Women aren't expected to help in that situation, so many don't. I do understand that That is just a generalization and there are plenty of exceptions to that. In both directions. I have back problems and don't do as much of my firewood work as I use to. I hire a local women to do a lot of it. She worked trail crew in the park for 17 years. She is a hottie too. :-) Not that that has anything to do with why I hire her. Just pointing out that you don't have to look like that Russian woman to do heavy lifting. Though that is a funny poster.



Credit: John M


Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
Happiegrrl. I'm not an ANTI. I think everyone who can, can. Some can't.
They find other avenues to contribute. Or not.
You KNOW how it goes....
John M

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
2. Do the interaction between the sexes get in the way from optimal female physical performance on the job?

I remember the first woman I made cry on the job. LOL.. She got in my way when I was moving something heavy and didn't move quick enough. I chewed her out good, just like I did any guy. She broke out crying and I didn't hardly know what to do. I was treating her just like I treated the guys. We both had a bit to learn about working together. She had to learn about the heat of moment and I had to learn that women carry their emotions closer to the surface. She turned out to be one of my better employees.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
A feminist calling other women catty. That is name calling, it means absolutely nothing except that it's sexist which makes you a hypocrite. Then when you complain that men only are interested in the physical and how wrong that is, yadda, yadda and than have the stupidity to claim that the older women her are being jealous about your fine young arse...

Young lady, with that line of logic your an idiot.

Plus seriously, over here on the internet... You really think we care about your arse? Honey, seriously get off the net. You are out of your league BIG TIME.
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
That one sort of looks like a girl playing at a guys job... or getting the easy work. Spooling up cable's not that hard. Somewhere I have another picture of me at trailwork, cranking a griphoist to pull along a stone that is about 5 foot by 3 foot by 1 foot think. Cranking for the pull isn't hard, just takes a long time, when the rock has to be moved 30 feet or more.

I am not sure where those claims came from with SAR teams and shitty female physical performance because physical limitations is definitely not holding women back. Mainly because I KNOW personally I can kick more than a fair share of males asses out there.

Maybe the performance discrepancy comes from an imbalance in technical knowledge. Males are really gung-ho about developing methods in executing an operation (usually requiring rapid decision making skills and strict protocols) and females are put into place to parrot these male devised methods.


I actually have a funny story to go along with this whole theme:

So I was helping my grandmother on the farm in Lithuania this past summer. She had a shipment of 2 tons of briquettes, they were dumped in her front yard. They came in a package of about 6 each, with each package weighing 20 pounds or something. Anyways, we had some family friends come over and help because we had to stash some away into storage using a wheelbarrow and transfer the rest upstairs in the house by hand. There were 3 young men very capable and fit (all in their early 20's) and me. That was the team. I quickly pounced on the task and whipped their asses into shape. At first, I would grab 2 of the packages and carry it upstairs, then quickly moved onto grabbing 3 packages at once. The young men followed suit and started carrying 3 packages minimum. One of the guys noticed this and started grabbing 4 packages. LOL We went at it like this for like 30 minutes and they were not faster at it than me and not more capable. I was kicking their sorry little asses cus they were afraid to show any weakness with a girl in the group and I was far from getting tired. We were moving at very high speed pace, which I had set. VERY amusing experience to have observed.

Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:37pm PT



The softness of a woman can never be replaced by a man

as

the hardness of a man can never be replaced by a woman
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
So were they being paid per hour? Any smart person would do absolutely minimum to make the job last longer, get paid more. Or... Were they going to be put on task on something else once it was done. Another reason to lag in order to avoid more work.

If I want a job done quickly. I offer a flat fee that is handed out when it's done. I never pay per hour and... I can't tell you how many times I lagged on a task so my mother wouldn't find me a new one. I discovered the pleasures of doing homework all day avoiding the pleasures of cleaning bathrooms, etc.

We are all human with human faults.

I am sure you can work hard. I know tons of girls that can make the menfolk sweat but sometimes what you see isn't what is.

part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:43pm PT

The softness of a woman can never be replaced by a man

as

the hardness of a man can never be replaced by a woman



this is a very sexist notion.

From Butlers "Gender Trouble"


She begins her critique of identity and gender by challenging her readers' assumptions about the distinction often made between sex and gender. (In this distinction, sex is biological while gender is culturally constructed.) In the first place, Butler argues, this distinction introduces a split into the supposedly unified subject of feminism, and in the second place, the distinction proves false. Sexed bodies cannot signify without gender, and the apparent existence of sex prior to discourse and cultural imposition is merely an effect of the functioning of gender. That is, both sex and gender are constructed.

She asks why we assume that material things (such as the body) are not subject to processes of social construction themselves.

John M

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
The softness of a woman can never be replaced by a man

as

the hardness of a man can never be replaced by a woman

Every man has a feminine side and every woman has a masculine side. Learning how to express it and experience it is part of becoming a complete person.
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
I am sure you can work hard. I know tons of girls that can make the menfolk sweat but sometimes what you see isn't what is.
Indeed.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
Text books say a whole lot of things. There was a ton of proof the Nazis had to support the claim of being a superior race, the physical characteristics to look for in those that are inferior, etc. You can spin doctor almost any fact and twist it.

Yes Commie, I am still irked that you had the audacity to claim the older gals were jealous of you because of you ass. Seriously a very ignorant and sexist thing to say. You really should apologize for that or... I am not going to stop poking holes in your statements. Plus, it's so darn easy.

You shot yourself down with that and now... You just sound like a pompous child who thinks she has the world of knowledge from reading one book.

People like Susan paved the road for the rest of us and being so disrespectful of that because of your silly little ass. I no longer see how any of your arguments can hold any water after that.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART

Jan 27, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
"this is a very sexist notion."



The softness of a woman can never be replaced by a man

as

the hardness of a man can never be replaced by a woman



I meant this in every sense , not just the physical.


Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
Some sh#t makes you strong. Some sh#t makes you dumb.
Once you're dumb & strong, you're ready for BigWall climbing.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
The older women in this thread getting all catty with me because I have a youthful fine piece of ass goes nowhere.

This a joke right? I'm one of "older women" that worked hard to "set the standard" to allow you young pieces of ass to pick up and run with increasing the equity between genders. And this is the payback, "I took a class at UCLA in feminism" from some renown feminist. Get out from behind your academic desk and get on the line and do the work. Armchair feminism ...blech.

Susan
John M

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:05pm PT
And this is the payback,

the little ones some times need to have their ass chewed.



Once you're dumb & strong, you're ready for BigWall climbing.

LOL..
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
LOL I really have no problem with any of you ladies, but people seem to have a problem with me because of my unpopular opinions. Sorry if I offended. I got fed up with people assuming things such as the whole soapbox thing when in reality I fight the gender battle every day.

Also a lot of my ideas are ideas I developed on my own and over years of observation. I was exposed to a lot of writers and theories while in school but was never the one that really read the textbooks.
monolith

climber
albany,ca

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
CanyonCat, thanks for posting. My sentiments as well.

Oops, I see I'm wedged in a PTC spat, carry on.
John M

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
PTC... You get tired? You aren't old enough nor experienced enough to be tired yet. You should check out some of Susans trip reports. You might learn a little about the depth of a person before you make snitty comments.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
You obviously didn't learn. First... No one had a problem with you until that stupid post.

Second, I didn't ask for an excuse. Especially a lame one... I asked for an apology and not for myself, but for folks like Susan that did the work, made things happen.

Even I know I'm outclassed, outsmarted and that I owe her for her hard work at making my life better. Tittle IX was the best thing that ever happened for girls in schools. You really need to read on it and that Susan, I thank you.

Plus... T.R. I recognize your excuse making. You really need to stop making them and owe up to your own wrongs. Yes, the guys really do owe you an apology too but that does not excuse you for bad behavior either.

Again, no one cares about your ass. Your mind... It has a ton of potential... If you could only learn not to make excuses.

AFS

P.S. About those boys at that farm... They might have been working so slow looking at that fine ass. Did you ever think about that? Was it sexist or a compliment... You decide.


Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
The Kiwi should be along shortly to start threatening people and pretending to ask PTC why she don't call no more...

*Yawn*
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
Nek Minnut?!?
Only problem I have is that you're not real.

Be real, Stupid! Duh....
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
P.S.

Tony Bird was right. I should not have even started the thread, even as a joke. Gosh, learning the hard way sucks.

Was it immature, probably. I do find stuff like Family Guy as extremely hilarious. Plus Bill and I have a similar sense of humor that is unconventional and a bit "wrong." Having someone to share such silliness makes me forget the rest of the world isn't on the same wavelength.

Was it my ego... Not really... I have all the attention, acceptance and approval I need from my family. I know where I stand. I am a middle age housewife and yes, I LOVE it. This is where I want to be. I'm the last person on this planet that would want a different life. I worked hard to get here and I am sure as heck not regretting it.

When Bill and I fight, if I throw the word "Boobs" out. Well, it stops the fighting. I thought others will get the joke. Too bad it turned into such BS.

Hugs,
AFS



Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
I do find stuff like Family Guy as extremely hilarious.

This is excellent!
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
99% of those women looked happy, if not thrilled, about being photographed, and I'm assuming being the object of men's desire.

nowhere in the process of evolution did it require for women to enjoy sex or to be compliant with it.


LOL
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
Move along Wanda...You're boring.
Even if you DID exist.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
time to enable the greasemonkey killfile again - http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1564638&tn=0&mr=0

ptc, the troll who thrives on controversy... yawn.....

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
if chicks had hexagons instead of parabolas, would pictures of hexagonal breasts all of a sudden become a problem?

Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:48pm PT



I thought PTC stood for.. pretty time consuming
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
Whatever you say, Part-Time Dworkin
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 27, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
What the hell are you talking about? What is wrong with you?

I as a woman love sex. I love being compliant to my husband's needs. I love the fact that he is attracted to me. I sure as hell think it's an important part of my biology and yes... I think you are an idiot to believe it's not. Never mind how unhealthy that view point is, never mind how sick that sounds to me.

Please don't ever raise a child. For one, you will have to have sex which is so unnatural to you. Two, you will lose the shape of that precious ass of yours that you brag about and three... You are going to suppress them so bad they will turn into Ted Bundy.

Yup, I am done.



graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Jan 27, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
nowhere in the process of evolution did it require for women to enjoy sex

Wrong.

It did and women do. Most of them. There are always some deleterious mutations that confer a disadvantage--If that includes you, that is your bad luck. Evolution will not be on your side.
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
What the hell are you talking about? What is wrong with you?



I am suggesting the establishment of male dominance and hierarchy (patriarchy) comes from a very violent past.

early stages of our evolution on the level of our ancestors did not require for women to enjoy sex or to be compliant with it, the only thing required was for males to be stronger, larger and more physically capable. There is a reason men evolved larger, and stronger than women and its not just to do with hunting and protecting the species.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal

Jan 27, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
Whatever you say, Part-Time Dworkin


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

LOL!
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT

Jan 27, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
36 years in the workforce and I have noticed that when a woman makes a big stink about being a woman and uses the gender card to complain about unfair treatment at work that most of the other workers see her as a jerk and management sees her as a high maintenence pain in the rear employee. When a woman does a good job and does not expect special treatment just because she is a woman there is respect from pretty much everyone the same as if it was a man. I also know a whole lot of women that make way more $$$ than i do so no sympathy for crying about the workplace from this end. Work suks and we all get the shaft ocasionally.. stop yer whineing and get on with it...

PS. when a guy is a high maitenence pain in the ass at work it's no different, they just call him an as#@&%e instead of a bitch..
Walleye

climber
The Hot Kiss on the end of a Wet Fist

Jan 27, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
Another nifty, neato-peachy-keeno, super fine, Stupor Torpor clusterf*#k; as usual..
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
Oh look! Paydirt. A pair of half eaten choco-pants.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now

Jan 27, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
But Walleye, if you hadn't noticed this thread really has legs!

Anyone familiar with Camille Paglia's approach to feminism?
Apologies in advance if that's a bore. I certainly get a kick out of her stance.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you

Jan 27, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
36 years in the workforce and I have noticed that when a woman makes a big stink about being a woman and uses the gender card to complain about unfair treatment at work that most of the other workers see her as a jerk and management sees her as a high maintenence pain in the rear employee. When a woman does a good job and does not expect special treatment just because she is a woman there is respect from pretty much everyone the same as if it was a man. I also know a whole lot of women that make way more $$$ than i do so no sympathy for crying about the workplace from this end. Work suks and we all get the shaft ocasionally.. stop yer whineing and get on with it...

PS. when a guy is a high maitenence pain in the ass at work it's no different, they just call him an as#@&%e instead of a bitch..

Yup, I've worked with just as many lazy nitwit males as I have females.

That was my original point - all this gibberish floating around in your head just makes ya unemployable.....whatever...
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
I am suggesting the establishment of male dominance and hierarchy (patriarchy) comes from a very violent past.

early stages of our evolution on the level of our ancestors did not require for women to enjoy sex or to be compliant with it, the only thing required was for males to be stronger, larger and more physically capable. There is a reason men evolved larger, and stronger than women and its not just to do with hunting and protecting the species.

Gawd, get out of the ivory tower and go buildering on that UCLA campus.
Sheesh....

Susan
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
That Jayne Mansfield sure had some large breasts, didn't she?
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
Yeah? What? No, he's just half robot.
Da_Dweeb

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
There is no need to be upset.
Da_Dweeb

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
Found the trailwork picture I was looking for! This is pretty much my "regular job" on the trail crew - at the grip.


Credit: happiegrrrl



I guess I am on the "lift" one here(instead of the "pull"), and I DO do the lift grip, but when it is big stuff like this one, I usually cannot get it all the way up. I will do what I can and then a stronger person will have to take it.

We also have a Lewis Winch now, which is a chainsaw motor with a winch attached where the blade would mount, but I do not think I will ever feel comfortable running it. It is heavy and moves quickly. If something goes wrong and you are manning that thing, you had better be on the ball and know how to manage it immediately. It is loud, and the operator really cannot hear over the sound, so must relay on hand signals from others should they need to stop unexpectedly.

When we got the winch I was worried because I would have been the natural one to be put on that task, since it was doing the same job as a griphoist. I was relieved when we found that the Lewis wasn't going to be the replacement for the grips after all - I still had a job!

Maybe some might think I am not the equal of a man as a crew member because of these things, but I am pretty sure the guys on the crew don't see it that way. I would be *extremely* shocked if I later found out people on the crew said I had a bad attitude, or spent my time looking for the easier jobs. And pissed off as hell!

edit: Oh! and take note of the non "male standard" work gloves!
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
That's nice HappiG, really it is; you know I'm genuine.


Now, I'm not doing this to start any kind of trouble.
Not on purpose even.

But this thread needs pics for context. Or something.

In my opinion, PTC isn't getting enough well-deserved points here for a lively, brisk, kick asss attitude and her fetching & unapologetic independence, if a little top heavy on the writ. We could do worse. Much worse.

I'm voting PTC fork over a cyber lap dance for BVB?
Seems like it's in the cards anyhow. I could be wrong. But if I'm right?

PTC's asss, or so I'm led to believe ... from her supertopo photo stash:

The blue-collar take-it-or-leave-it version:




The artsy sensitive comehither version:




BVB, get your motor runnin' ...
(Won't be any more of this tomfoolery from me, but it had to be done).
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
LOL


the boys are getting frisky now LOL
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
from what I could tell from the pics, bvb is sort of an old dude now.

but back when he was in this scorching hot age range (im guessing 45+ or so?) .....



Credit: bvb



umm...yes please!!!!
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
No really. I'm following your your posts and I get it.
Beebs shud be along shortly. Forever Young I assure you.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
Some sh#t makes you strong. Some sh#t makes you dumb.
Once you're dumb & strong, you're ready for BigWall climbing


haha - I think this would be an excellent text graphic for a t-shirt. Captain, May I?
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
Feel Free, M'Lady.
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
Evolution will not be on your side.


umm noo....in nature, as a woman, if I went out of my way to not actively pursue sex or invite it or comply with it, I'd still end up being f*#ked by some male whether I like it or not! That's how the future of the species is certified as a no-hassle, no room for error style guarantee!

Real laws of nature have no room for delicate and sensitive tastes.
part-time communist

Mountain climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
hey what can I say, I have a nice ass LOL
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
we is sure a hilarious bunch
To bad we can't all party and climb together more

she really does have a great ass! ya gotta admit..lol








Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 27, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
Someone may or may not. You are a figment.
Soon you will disappear in a puff of smoke(hopefully?).

Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now

Jan 27, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
Scully said:
Oh look! Paydirt. A pair of half eaten choco-pants.

Ha!

I don't even know what that means but somehow the comic t
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jan 29, 2013 - 03:18am PT
Ummm ok.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:57am PT
Here is a nugget that caught my eye.

I found some of the texty drooling a little creepy, and also thought that including images out of context to be creepy(the thread was CLEARLY about breasts as a sexual organ, and to post breast-feeding baby pictures in that context was - to me -creepy.


It wasn't a "boobs as sexual organs" thread except perhaps in your own mind.
I am the one who posted the tasteful pictures of breast feeding babies as a way of keeping it real. If you are creating some false equivalency of creepiness between pictures of breast feeding and pictures of sexualized under aged girls then I truly feel sorry for you.
Personally I feel anyone who finds breast feeding "creepy" probably has deeper issues than just being offended by people's appreciation of the female form. All three of my kids were breast feed. There is not a single thing "creepy" about it. Except for the people who are offended by it and make an issue of it. Breast feeding is the most natural of human acts. If you think there was some prurient or misogynistic intent in my posting breast feeding pictures on a boob thread started by a new mom posting a picture of a baby demanding boob then you need to take a good hard look at your own motivations not mine.
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The "creepy" perception is in your head not mine.

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Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jan 29, 2013 - 11:05am PT
Cosmic you left out all the juicy parts ;)
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 29, 2013 - 11:12am PT
All the Text but no pics

:(
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 29, 2013 - 11:35am PT

Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 27, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
Scully said:

Oh look! Paydirt. A pair of half eaten choco-pants.

Ha!

I don't even know what that means but somehow the comic timing is dead on.
I read that about three times in a row and it just bust me up every time.




Riley Wyna


Trad climber
A crack near you Jan 27, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
Captain - she is very real - i am freinds with her on facebook - 100 percent real - i promise
She has done like a million first decent canyons in death valley this last summer - she really is hard as nails..lol
she also climbed in Europe last spring..


sorry for blocking ya PTC - but your lack of morality thing hit a sore spot for me.
To many psychopaths taking advantage and to many nice people hurting - it bothered me on a lot of levels - the world is so unjust and there really are some very wonderful people out there who do the right thing and get f*#ked over.
Nietzsche really was an idiot - The Buddha had it figured out a long time ago already.
So are you a psychopath ya think?
In the modern MRI medical sense - not the classic sense..


In my opinion, PTC isn't getting enough well-deserved points here for a lively, brisk, kick asss attitude and her fetching & unapologetic independence, if a little top heavy on the writ. We could do worse. Much worse.



So nice to see ya in the mix Tar - interesting link to that feminist academic - i read her wiki page.

I was thinking the same thing actually - the evolutionary mix that PTC is throwing into the conversation - not in agreement on all of it but there is certainly some truth to it..

Open your minds folks










Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 27, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
bump




locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 27, 2013 - 09:14pm PT


"Every man has a feminine side and every woman has a masculine side. Learning how to express it and experience it is part of becoming a complete person."...





BULLSH!T!!!...















































Credit: Cosmic


...




Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 27, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
there ther LoCkuR
we knew you haD it in you.
Way to come out. Real sweet darlin'.

Emancipated man balance shtick. Should be big payoff on your lead skills!




part-time communist


Mountain climber Jan 27, 2013 - 09:18pm PT

I was thinking the same thing actually - the evolutionary mix that PTC is throwing into the conversation - not in agreement on all of it but there is certainly some truth to it..

Open your minds folks


awww thank you :)


Yes, indeed open your minds! The way I look at it is, each perspective is like a raindrop in a bucket. Let the rain fall freely.




John M


climber Jan 27, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
Nice tits Locker. but the color of that fingernail polish is just all wrong for your skin color. It makes you looked washed out.


So are you a psychopath ya think?
In the modern MRI medical sense - not the classic sense..


Best question of the night.

You going to answer it PTC ?




Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 27, 2013 - 09:20pm PT

Yes, indeed open your minds! The way I look at it is, each perspective is like a raindrop in a bucket. Let the rain fall freely.

Kumbaya 'n shitt.
Werd.




part-time communist


Mountain climber Jan 27, 2013 - 09:21pm PT

Best question of the night.

You going to answer it PTC ?


No, I'm not.




part-time communist


Mountain climber Jan 27, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
are you going to unblock me Riley lol




Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 27, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
Quick.
Someone say something semi-lengthy and smart before this thread gets lockerized.




part-time communist


Mountain climber Jan 27, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
I meant to say: no I am not a psychopath. I just tend to shy away from moral language for intellectual reasons.

have you read nietzsche? A lot of people that shoot him down are not fully acquainted with or understand his ideas...




locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 27, 2013 - 09:34pm PT



"Someone say something semi-lengthy and smart before this thread gets lockerized."...














































Don't you hate it when...

























































you're too late???...


;-)





The Warbler


climber
the edge of America Jan 27, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
I was just extrapolating on PTC's theory -

If humans are wired in a foundational way to perpetuate the species, and men are built to overpower women for sex to ensure that, the more physically powerful men naturally become the more successful fathers. It follows that competition among males, to the death even, would lead to further selection of the bigger, smarter, more powerful men as fathers. Nothing really new there - that's all the law of the jungle, more or less.

Isn't the catty jealousy of lots of women toward each other, and in The Thread particularly, likely just the female version of elimination of the competition and spurred by their subconscious yet overwhelming drive to ensure successful breeding?

IOW, admit it girls, you want it BAD!

And all those hotties on the boob thread were distracting your potential studs...


I get it now











Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 27, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
SHEESH!
I'm gonna miss th BooB thread.
Whatever am I gonna do?



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graniteclimber


Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division Jan 27, 2013 - 10:05pm PT


What was the complaint about the "boob" thread again?




Riley Wyna


Trad climber
A crack near you Jan 27, 2013 - 10:23pm PT

I meant to say: no I am not a psychopath. I just tend to shy away from moral language for intellectual reasons.

have you read Nietzsche? A lot of people that shoot him down are not fully acquainted with or understand his ideas...


I understand now..


I haven't studied him at length - But I read through most of his stuff a few years ago. Actually very interesting in a lot of ways - but he misses the point a lot, i think.
He was very wrong about Buddhism - he just didnt get it..
Didn't he die very unhappy and depressed?
Part of his unhappiness was probably just to much thinking - that can make you sick - but the other part of it was he didn't understand what was really important and what was not important about life - he was sort of the original "greed is good" thinker.
There are plenty of very rich and miserable humans with no freinds or life becuase they never understood the fallacy of continued wanting and needing and never being happy - never stoping to understand the greater wonder of it all as well as the impermanance of life. With out that we are just mindless predators looking for our next short term fix - it's completely f*#ked. Morality, caring, intelligence, empathy, knowledge, understanding, relationships- all these feed off one and other and add to each other - with out one or the other you are going to be an empty person.
I have probably forgotten 99 percent of what I read - but off the top of my head this is the general gist.




Riley Wyna


Trad climber
A crack near you Jan 27, 2013 - 10:31pm PT

And all those hotties on the boob thread were distracting your potential studs...

This was my point up thread and is at the very heart of the original issue.
My point - nobody has a problem with boobs - boobs fly all over the f*#king place.
Until someone is getting more "attention" for their boobs than you are getting for your boobs. Then all holy hell breaks loose.




locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 27, 2013 - 10:33pm PT


"Didn't he die very unhappy and depressed?"...


Don't most people???...






graniteclimber


Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division Jan 27, 2013 - 10:33pm PT

Until someone is getting more "attention" for their boobs than you are getting for your boobs.

Or then you are getting for your ass.




The Warbler


climber
the edge of America Jan 27, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
Just backin' you up Riley Meister.

Ya, hell hath no fury like a woman ignored.




Jim Brennan


Trad climber
Vancouver Canada Jan 27, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
Don't get obsessed about other people's appearance:










Anastasia


climber
InLOVEwithAris. Jan 27, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
Mental Health Hospital answering machine:

Hello, and welcome to the mental health hotline ...

If you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly.

If you are co-dependent, please ask someone to press 2 for you.

If you have multiple personalities, press 3, 4, 5, and 6.

If you are paranoid, we know who you are and what you want. Stay on the line so we can trace your call.

If you are delusional, press 7 and your call will be transferred to the mother ship.

If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully and a small voice will tell you which number to press.

If you are a manic-depressive, it doesn't matter which number you press; no one will answer.

If you have amnesia, press 8 and state your name, address, telephone number, date of birth, social security number, and your Mother's maiden name.

If you have bi-polar disorder, please leave a message after the beep or before the beep or after the beep. Please wait for the beep.

If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9.

If you have low self-esteem, please hang up. All of our operators are too busy to talk to you.

If you are menopausal, hang up, turn on the fan, lie down and cry. There is hope, you won't be crazy forever.




toadgas


Social climber
los angeles Jan 27, 2013 - 11:08pm PT
-


...to keep the ladies here calm and relaxed


vvv
vv
v


http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsng8eZysT1qhewlao1_500.jpg



.




Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 27, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
My Eyes were kinda small,
so I went to the Cosmetic surgeon
and had a little Eye Augmentation done.

I feel so much better about myself!


















































Credit: Cosmiccragsman
[Edit this Photo]




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moosedrool


Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland Jan 27, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
Cosmic, you have a VERY angry vagina...




locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 27, 2013 - 11:29pm PT




Credit: locker


...



...







Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 27, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
"Cosmic, you have a VERY angry vagina..."








With TEETH!!!

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bvb


Social climber
flagstaff arizona Jan 27, 2013 - 11:38pm PT

from what I could tell from the pics, bvb is sort of an old dude now.

C'mon PTC, that photo is only about six years old. I'm still sw0le, whole, ready, and willing. Buy me dinner and a movie and you're in there. Us divorced guys learn from our mistakes.






Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 27, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
That's what I'm talking about! SWOLE represent!!!

----------------------------


------------------------------------------------------------------------



But regardless,
This thread needs more controversy or it's never going to break 1000.




Michelle


Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters. Jan 27, 2013 - 11:55pm PT

So THAT'S what rolling up the vagina means!

whoawhoawhoa! don't get me confused with that girl. it was an abstract attempt at satire. as in, "Ladies, let's just roll up shop and move on."






Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 28, 2013 - 12:03am PT
Good call locker: Helen Reddy.
Here she is today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP-Zb5HoPjM&feature=player_embedded




Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 28, 2013 - 12:20am PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Paglia


Some feminist critics have characterized Paglia as an "anti-feminist feminist", critical of central features of much contemporary feminism but holding out "her own special variety of feminist affirmation".


Some of you have to remember her: quite the sensationalist pot stirrer extraordinaire in intellectual feminist circles. Some of her thinking pretty hard-boiled if not purely outrageous. Although the wiki article cites examples, it of course doesn't do her unique position justice, but it's a start. Suffice to say she was big on personal responsibility.

Sexual Personae (from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson) was quite a romp through Western art, with a Freudian thesis that probably got a little tired, yet not without a pretty good grasp on the pendulum swinging perennially from the reign of the intuitive/feminine/"Cthonian"(i.e. Dionysian) to the analytical/masculine/"Appolonian"(i.e. Apollo) throughout art, history and culture. It's a tome.




philo


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train? Jan 28, 2013 - 01:14am PT
Now Tar, don't be gettin' all serious on this "Serious Matter" thread. I am serious. If it is serious does it matter?


Sexual Personae (from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson) was quite a romp through Western art, with a Freudian thesis that probably got a little tired, yet not without a pretty good grasp on the pendulum swinging perennially from the reign of the intuitive/female/"Cthonian"(i.e. Dionysian) to the analytical/male/"Appolonian"(i.e. Apollo) throughout art, history and culture. It's a tome.
^^^+1




happiegrrrl


Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com Jan 28, 2013 - 07:51am PT

And all those hotties on the boob thread were distracting your potential studs...

Not really. The main guys posting that I noticed on that thread, in level of impact they made on my conciousness, were:
Philo - a very crass man, unable to debate without getting into absurd rants on topics which interest him. I do empathize with his concerns for Palestinians, and have been moved to tears reading some of his posts about his wife's relatives and friends over there. Married as well, which disqualifies a guy from "stud stardom" in my book.
Cosmic Cragsman - Securely married to a lovely woman. Again, in a committed relationship with another.
Locker - No offense to you Locker, but when we first went climbing and you said "I'm not interested in dating, but I'll sleep with you if you want!" I sort of was creeped out. I thought you were just kidding around, possibly, but of course every joke has a kernel of truth, but it is not the kind of humor that I find attractive in men, and the type of humor I like is a pretty important factor for me in considering "stud selecton."
BVB - Sobriety first! Besides, PTC has expressed interest, and I think they might make a good match, at least initially, and from their flirt postings to each other.

A lot of others who I have never met, and who haven't made enough of an impression on me "studwise" for me to have taken note of them on the boob thread and thought "Why(Oh, WHY!, and insert a Lichtenstien crying lady image while we're at it) would you settle for pumping iron over pixels, dude, when I would melt your dreamsicle faster than the sun on a scorcher of a summer day?"


And Riley -

My point - nobody has a problem with boobs - boobs fly all over the f*#king place.
Until someone is getting more "attention" for their boobs than you are getting for your boobs. Then all holy hell breaks loose.

Do you ACTUALLY really think this???


Any of you guys who did/do, are fooling yourselves. Do we women, who you are suggesting feel this way - and please DO make an attempt to actually think of REAL ones here on the forum and not your imagined women at large - post suggestive shots of our selves? Do we send you PM's asking about meeting? Do we post, to any of you specifically, flirtatious remarks such as PTC has done in this trread with BVB? I would say PTC's flirts with BVB indicate some interest...THAT is the sort of thing you ought to be looking for, if you wonder if a lady likes you.





Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 08:15am PT
Happie;
if you read the posts, you should know I didn't post one pic of boobs,
except mine. I did post one funny boob saying and a couple of funny repartes but that's it. I think I posted on the whole thread a total of
maybe 5 or 6 times mostly to make fun of the thread. As you should know,
I don't take to much, serious, here on ST.

I was surprised the thread lasted as long as it did.

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locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 08:17am PT

I fuking sure as hell HOPE you are trolling because THIS NEVER FUKING HAPPENED...



"Locker - No offense to you Locker, but when we first went climbing and you said "I'm not interested in dating, but I'll sleep with you if you want!" I sort of was creeped out. I thought you were just kidding around"...

You have simply GOT to be fuking kidding me...

HUH???

You feel free to explain in complete detail, whatever conversation you THINK took place...




Terrie...

Either you're totally whacked...

or like I said above...

I FUKING HOPE YOU ARE TROLLING HERE...


First wife...


Credit: locker


...


Second wife...


Credit: locker


...


Third wife...


Credit: locker


...


Happiegirl...

...





Here's actually WHAT DID happen that day...

At the end of the day, you asked me back to your tent...

Well, NOT being anyone that I was interested in...

I of course said, "no thanks"...




REALITY!!!...








locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 08:25am PT

;-)






locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 08:30am PT

""Locker - No offense to you Locker, but when we first went climbing and you said "I'm not interested in dating, but I'll sleep with you if you want!" I sort of was creeped out. I thought you were just kidding around"...

What a fuking STRANGE lie and thing to write...

Very, very, very, fuking WEIRD Happie...

Talk about CREEPY...


I now think back to all that BS you posted here about Blueblocker and how you tried to get everyone to think he was "Creepy" and nuts...



Fuking STRANGE Happie...

VERY strange!!!...




But it SHOULD up the "Drama Factor" of this thread quite a bit...

This is getting INTERESTING...

LOL!!!...

and again...

WHAT THE FUK???...











locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 08:35am PT


Might sound mean...

But you opened a BIG "can of worms" with your lie...



"I'm not interested in dating"...

^^^

That part is so fuking TOTALLY TRUE...

Sorry!!!...

But I was and would NEVER be interested...

You're simply NOT MY TYPE!!!...(EDITED: Seriously... I'd MUCH rather, "Beat off")...







happiegrrrl


Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com Jan 28, 2013 - 08:37am PT
I did notice that Cosmic, but I didn't say posting boobs, just posting on that thread. And you were, I think, a pretty persistent poster!






locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 08:37am PT


Why the LIE Terrie???...

So fuking STRANGE...






locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 08:41am PT


Well Terrie???...

You're ON at the moment...

What's the scoop???...

Got any more fuking LIES to tell???...




By the way, did you get the response you wanted???...






Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 08:46am PT
Don't Think, Happie
I posted 5 or 6 times and those were just to make fun of the thread.


You said the same thing to me also, Locker,
and I told you I was a Happily Married man.

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TwistedCrank


climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho Jan 28, 2013 - 08:46am PT
I always thought that Sophia Loren had some wonderful breasts.




happiegrrrl


Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com Jan 28, 2013 - 08:48am PT
Locker - That is not funny, if you are trolling with that to get me going. Because it certainly has, and that is very, very wrong.

If, for some godforesaken strange reason you actually really6 do believe that I asked you back to MY tent, then please DO do me a favor and stay away from me, because you are delusional.

And if you really believe this all to be true, then there is nothing I can say on this thread that will do anything but get people heckling and throwing weird comments, which will definitely mess with my energy.

I have no intention of letting that happen.

I would assume that people who know me in real life, and who also know you, can probably see the truth within this little strange conflagration.



By the way - I did just get an email from your address that appeared to be a hackers calling card. I returned an email to warn you.

And to hopefully insure that isn't going to get twsited for some f*#kined up idea of a joke or worse, here is the screen of the email, and the screen of return email.


Credit: happiegrrrl





Credit: happiegrrrl






SCseagoat


Trad climber
Santa Cruz Jan 28, 2013 - 08:48am PT
Give it a break Locker, , you're sounding too desperate and falling into the black hole of "thou thinks thee doth protest too much". It either happened or it didn't....it's between you two


Susan




locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 08:49am PT

RECAP:



First wife...


Credit: locker


...


Second wife...


Credit: locker


...


Third wife...


Credit: locker


...


















































Happiegirl...

...





locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 08:51am PT


"Give it a break Locker"...




Right!!!...

Like that's going to happen...






happiegrrrl


Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com Jan 28, 2013 - 08:52am PT
WHAT THE F*#K???

Cosmic -


You said the same thing to me also, Locker,
and I told you I was a Happily Married man.


Werner - I will NOT take this "off the thread," because that is inferring that that I am a crazy woman who does that sort of crazy sh#t. I know there are those who do, of course.

Cosmic - I am HOPING someone is playing with both you and Lockers posts, hard as that seems to be, and that the worst case scenario, that you would outright lie to "back a bro" or whatever strange thing it would be.






locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 08:54am PT


"I asked you back to MY tent"...

100% TRUE!!!...


You said almost these EXACT words...

"Would you like to come back to my tent?"...

And I said that my son was at home alone and that I needed to get back...


Sorry, but it's TRUE...









locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 08:55am PT

Did YOU write and post this Happie???...

Because if so, you ARE fuking NUTS!!!...

"I'm not interested in dating, but I'll sleep with you if you want!"...



Do you REALLY believe that I said that to YOU???...






Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 08:56am PT
Now I did post a LOT on my PUSSY thread.

My comment a few posts ago, Happy, was a cosmic funny and not SERIOUS!

Edit





happiegrrrl


Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com Jan 28, 2013 - 08:57am PT
I am going to assume, since there was also that email with the link, that someone on this forum - NOT Locker, and NOT Cosmic - is a very, very sick individual.

Edit: Oh, and also not me, in case anyone thinks that would be a witty rejoinder.






locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 08:58am PT

and YES!!!...

My HOTMAIL account has been HACKED and currently I can't access it...





EDITED:

Better SAVE this one for who knows what to come...

"I am going to assume, since there was also that email with the link, that someone on this forum - NOT Locker, and NOT Cosmic - is a very, very sick individual."...




locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 08:58am PT


I'll ask again:

Did YOU write and post this Happie???...

Because if so, you ARE fuking NUTS!!!...

"I'm not interested in dating, but I'll sleep with you if you want!"...




EDITED:

The question isn't asking about Hotmail accounts...

It's about what YOU posted here...

Unless you're CLAIMING that you didn't post it...




DID YOU???...






nita


Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy. Jan 28, 2013 - 09:01am PT



Most of the cast that you meet on the streets speak of true love,
Most of the time they're sittin and cryin at home.
One of these days they know they better get goin
Out of the door and down on the streets all alone.

Truckin, like the do-dah man. once told me youve got to play your hand
Sometimes your cards aint worth a dime, if you dont layem down,

Sometimes the lights all shinin on me;
Other times I can barely see.
Lately it occurs to me what... a long strange trip its been.





happiegrrrl


Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com Jan 28, 2013 - 09:08am PT


My comment a few posts ago, Happy, was a cosmic funny and not SERIOUS!

Cosmic....considering what is going on here, that is so f*#king not funny. Can't you see that?


Locker - I do not know what to tell you. I specifically recall that occurring, as we were driving along to go climbing. I recall it being said in an offhand manner, amongst a string of other light conversation that climbers would have upon the first time they have met and are going climbing. I remember it seeming a pretty odd thing to say, but thinking "well, maybe he just wants to be very clear right off the bat, because sometimes people do think "maybe this will be the one" (both men and women) when they are single and meet other climbers of their preferred gender.

I am sorry if you really do not believe that happened, but I also just as strongly believe that it actually did. I suppose there is the possibility that I am THAT messed up in the head that I could be capable of imagining such things, and if that is the case, then I hope that God or the Universe puts me out of my misery sooner rather than later - because to live such a delusional life would be a hell to live in and pretty much bring everything I have experienced in life under question.








locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 09:12am PT

Happie...

it's in your mind...

NEVER happened like that...

DID happen like I said...

Right after we were done climbing, Hidden Valley Campground, YOU asked me back to YOUR tent, I said my son was at home alone and that I needed to go...

There was NOTHING ELSE to it...

I WASN'T INTERESTED!!!...

You're NOT my type!!!...



What you wrote about me and being "CREEPED OUT" is so fuking STRANGE...

Many people KNOW me here also...

I guarantee that they KNOW it NEVER happened like you claim...






locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 09:14am PT


"I suppose there is the possibility that I am THAT messed up in the head"...

No fuking SH!T!!!...

I am NOT the first person you pulled this type of CRAP on...






patrick compton


Trad climber
van Jan 28, 2013 - 09:14am PT
all that matters is that this thread continues to stay serious, very serious




SCseagoat


Trad climber
Santa Cruz Jan 28, 2013 - 09:14am PT

bring everything I have experienced in life under question

Teddy is real, I've met him...your life is blessed with that little guy...that's all that's really important...BTW the lab foster I have right now is a Teddy also. He gets adopted this afternoon...boo hoo to me, yippee for him

Susan




locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 09:15am PT


Now I am DONE Susan...(Or until she posts some other fuking total BS)






I'm NOT going to get ANYWHERE with a NUT...






Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 09:16am PT
Yeah Happy, Just like you said I was a persistant poster on that thread.
I was, if you consider 5 or 6 posts persistant.

If your memory about my MANY persistant posts is wrong
you better reboot your hard drive because it's got a GLITCH.

Edit: I thought my comment above was Hilarious,
but then I always have had a WIERD sense of Humor.



Credit: Cosmiccragsman
[Edit this Photo]




Edit





locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 09:19am PT
I'd say your best bet Cosmic is to disengage...

She is in a world of her own...

Neither of us is being heard...

She isn't going to get it...




I am going to TRY and just IGNORE her from here on out...

Probably won't work as I have the tendency to REACT, etc...

But I am going to TRY!!!...





EDITED:

And just so you KNOW Happie...

PLEASE DO NOT come near me when I am out there...

I am SERIOUSLY (this is a SERIOUS thread!!!) worried that you WILL wig out and falsely accuse me of something...


So IF we bump into each other and you see me QUICKLY splitting...

that will be WHY...






happiegrrrl


Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com Jan 28, 2013 - 09:19am PT
Oh for F*#KS sake.....


Is it POSSIBLE that I asked if you wanted to come back to my campsite and have TEA or DINNER that you are possibly recalling it as a flirtatious invitation?

I can guarantee you, Locker(I could care less about convincing other watching this sh#t show, since I know that cannot be done), that it is not MY style to outright ask a guy to sleep with me.

Now there is someone that both you, Cosmic and I know, who I did have some interest in....and even he I didn't make that type of bold move. But he seemed just as interested in me(if only from a guys quick fix perspective), and so it was what it was. Haven't seen him in a few years, but I think he would speak well of me, as I do him.






locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 09:23am PT

I'd be MUCH happier if you simply IGNORED me too Happie...

You're obviously FUKED up in the head...

You were fuking NEVER "Creeped out" by ANYTHING I said...

If that were true, why the fuk would you continue climbing with me???...



So again, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE (James Brown???) do not talk with me here, or ANYWHERE...

I am NOT even interested in being "FRIENDS" or climbing with you, or ANYTHING...


THANKS!!!...






toadgas


Social climber
los angeles Jan 28, 2013 - 09:24am PT
well, i suspect this thread will reach 1000 posts after all




Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 09:25am PT
I, AM, Disengaging...

Altho I am surprised She even brought me into this
conversation in the first place.
She usually ignores me, unless it's to admonish me about something.

Edit





happiegrrrl


Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com Jan 28, 2013 - 09:27am PT
And Cosmic - I will accept that it is possible that I misremember the amount of posts you made to that particular thread. I do recall seeing them, and since you are someone I know, your posts made an impact on me more that an series of boob shots of strangers by strangers. If I think of that thread...this would be a recap:
1 - Boob picture post(repeat for half a page or so)
2 - Remark with no picture
3 - Response to post with remark only - post pictures, not words!
4 - Repeat Step 1
5 - Cosmic photoshop image
5) Repeat steps 1 through 4 and through in some Step 5's randomly.

Up until towards the end, when the t*r exchange began and people tried desperately to save the boobies, and IHP posted "the serious images" and people scolded him and....poof, it was gone.


edit: Ummm, Cosmic....


Altho I am surprised She even brought me into this
conversation in the first place.

YOU brought yourself into it by saying I came on to you, rememebr????


Credit: happiegrrrl




EDIT AGAIN! Oh sh#t....Cosmic, I am sorry. I misread that you said it was ME you had to tell you were a happily married man. Now I look at that post and see you said it was Locker you "had to tell you were a happily married man."

My apologies to you, Cosmic.




The Larry


climber
Moab, UT Jan 28, 2013 - 09:28am PT
"Holy fuking train wreck Batman!"




locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 09:29am PT


Too fuking weird...






philo


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train? Jan 28, 2013 - 09:30am PT

Philo - a very crass man, unable to debate without getting into absurd rants on topics which interest him. I do empathize with his concerns for Palestinians, and have been moved to tears reading some of his posts about his wife's relatives and friends over there. Married as well, which disqualifies a guy from "stud stardom" in my book.


Happie without the complete context of a particular thread it is easy to call me a "very crass man".


crass adjective \ˈkras\

Definition of CRASS

1
a : gross 6a; especially : having or indicating such grossness of mind as precludes delicacy and discrimination
b : being beneath one's dignity
c —used as a pejorative intensifier
2
: guided by or indicative of base or materialistic values
— crass·ly adverb
— crass·ness noun
See crass defined for English-language learners »
See crass defined for kids »
Examples of CRASS

A few people seemed shocked by her crass comments.

Minor criticism though it was compared to the rest, the most galling calumny of all as far as Gaius Marius was concerned was the perpetual inference that he was unacceptably crass because he had no Greek. —Colleen McCullough, The First Man in Rome, (1990) 1991
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Origin of CRASS

Latin crassus thick, gross
First Known Use: circa 1625
Related to CRASS

Synonyms: common, coarse, crude, gross, ill-bred, illiberal [archaic], incult, insensible, low, lowbred, lowbrow, raffish, rough, rough-hewn, roughneck, rude, rugged, tasteless, uncouth, uncultivated, uncultured, unpolished, unrefined, vulgar
Antonyms: civilized, cultivated, cultured, genteel, polished, refined, smooth, tasteful, ultrarefined, well-bred
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If you actually knew me you would understand how incorrect that assessment is.
I admit I have been crude and condescending when I felt someone's posting was ludicrous.
Like prior to the last election when a few posters were still claiming Obama was a secret Muslim from Kenya and demanded to see his birth certificate. After they had been respectfully been shown the truth repeatedly and still demand to be shown it again, they have earned derision. I am very passionate man. I stand by my beliefs and will defend them voraciously unless I am shown truth hat I had not yet perceived. Then I will with an open mind adapt or adjust my earlier stance.
Without the context of the ongoing thread it is unfair to label me a "Crass Man".
I am not a misogynistic pervert. I am the father of three wonderful souls. My 18 year old daughter is drop dead gorgeous and built like a Hollywood Starlet. If you don't think I am deeply concerned with the issue of exploitation of under aged girls then you really have no clue about me.

Regarding "absurd rants on topics which interest him"; Do you think my "OFFENSE" at the gun nutters posts were "absurd rants"? Please explain. When I come across a post that makes me go WTF i make a point of reading back to find out where it came from before responding (or not) to the single post.




locker


Social climber
state of Kumbaya... Jan 28, 2013 - 09:30am PT

They don't call me Drill Sargent Slaughter for nothing!!!...

ONE LAST TIME:

RECAP:



First wife...


Credit: locker


...


Second wife...


Credit: locker


...


Third wife...


Credit: locker


...


Happiegirl...

...





The MATH doesn't add up...





LATER!!!...

;-)





Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 09:32am PT
"And Cosmic - I will accept that it is possible that I misremember the amount of posts you made to that particular thread."




LOLOL.
A Cosmic manipulation, SPEAKS a Thousand Words!

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Hawkeye


climber
State of Mine Jan 28, 2013 - 09:32am PT
as a non-partisan, dis-interestecd party, let me just take a moment to point out that this thread is a......



Credit: Hawkeye





Credit: Hawkeye






Norton


Social climber
the Wastelands Jan 28, 2013 - 09:32am PT


Credit: Norton






Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 09:38am PT





You better work on your reading comprehension, Happie.

I said Locker said the same thing to me and I told him I was a happily
married man

I did not say, locker told me he asked to sleep with you.

Edit





happiegrrrl


Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com Jan 28, 2013 - 09:40am PT
Yes, please make it stop...

Philo - The thing is, I do not know you in real life, and can only go by the threads which you post to at this time. And you do tend to go ballistic - as you admit. I was totally on your side on threads where Fattrad was baiting about the Palestine/Israel "discord" for lack of a better word. But I value good debate, and find making nasty comments directly to people as poor sportmanship and style.

Unless I am totally imagining that is the way you have posted at times, and you are actually quite civil, respectful and use strong intellect to make your points.

By the way - I have always admired your cartoons, and think they are on a level with any you'd find in the major media outlets.




happiegrrrl


Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com Jan 28, 2013 - 09:41am PT
Cosmic - See above edited post... I did catch that - too late. I thought you had written that I asked YOU to sleep with me.

My apologies.

Edit AGAIN: And to be CLEAR, I did not mean to say that Locker ASKED ME to sleep with HIM. I said that he made that remark, as I wrote several posts earlier. That is different than asking someone outright to schtup. Of course, now I will probably have pissed him off again so he may post the lineup of his truly beautiful past wives and myself, by comparison.




kaholatingtong


Trad climber
Nevada City Jan 28, 2013 - 09:42am PT
this thread is like reality TV.




toadgas


Social climber
los angeles Jan 28, 2013 - 09:49am PT
^^^^^^


less pillow talk and gossip...



& MORE NUDITY!!!

vvv
vv
v

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mccx19sKuo1r6pvzjo1_500.jpg

.






toadgas


Social climber
los angeles Jan 28, 2013 - 09:52am PT
you are beautiful too, happiegrlll




Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 28, 2013 - 10:00am PT
Hawkeye, Norton!
That kind of timely jazz is so, so funny.
The tear ducts really dig the the workout.




Dr. F.


Ice climber
SoCal Jan 28, 2013 - 10:01am PT
T-Bird
Thanks for the funny thread

It's a classic sh#t fest

No tell us why you wouldn't use Jeffe's pad?




philo


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train? Jan 28, 2013 - 10:02am PT
Thanks for that Happie. I did endure a boat load of baiting from Fats and others particularly when the invasion of Gaza was ongoing. I fought back most emphatically. And for that I was labeled a Jew hating Drama Queen. At the time there was almost no support from the ST clan for me against the insidious things being posted. I am gratified that at the very least I managed to reach you.
But that experience set the stage for me to be a condescending ass hole that made personal attacks when decorum, diplomacy and rationality failed.

How many times do you have to watch someone desperately push at a pull door before you attempt to show them their error? How many times do you show them before concluding they are idiots?
There are a handful of posters here that have received the worst of my words because they earned them. There are several posters with whom I have quarreled with mightily on some threads and agreed with completely on others. When posters that I have railed against posted thoughtful, reasonable and respectful comments I always responded in kind manner. But when for example someone like DT would post up yet another hackneyed racist photoshop attack on Obama I didn't feel the need for civility in the least. There are a number of posters that have read some of my hotter rants out of context and made incorrect assumptions about me.

But it is all entertainment I suppose.
Are you not entertained.




veritas.curat


Ice climber
Shan-gri-la Jan 28, 2013 - 10:02am PT
Cosmic, Locker, Philo, don't feel bad. You are not alone.

The sad truth about Terrie is that she has had a number of pissing contests with various people on climbing forums, and in real life, for years. They almost always revolve around her being set off by a perceived offense. She seems to be offended easily and often, particularly by men.

Although she carefully cultivates an online persona, a facade, of civility and equanimity, what lies just a layer or two beneath is a very different story, as revealed by these recurring meltdowns.

Terrie, I don't say these things to bring any pain to you. Clearly events in your life have caused you a great deal of pain already, and I wish you no more. I am saying this publicly here to encourage you to become more circumspect. To think and reflect before you speak ill of people both on and off line.

As you will no doubt point out in an attempt to discredit my remarks, I am entirely anonymous under this moniker, veritas.curat. This is by design so you don't haunt me and trash me both online and off over the coming years, as I have seen you do to others over the last decade.





part-time communist


Mountain climber Jan 28, 2013 - 10:04am PT
Imagine if we all lived in a small village somewhere in the amazon jungle in ecological isolation LOL




The Larry


climber
Moab, UT Jan 28, 2013 - 10:07am PT
Can I bring my iPhone?




Dingus Milktoast


Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and... Jan 28, 2013 - 10:08am PT
When some motherf*#king ritzy norteamericano webcruisers stumble into our little village at dusk?

Watchthefukout!

You gets beat in this village, you gets beat out.

DMT




Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 10:09am PT
Apology accepted, Happie.

But you did Drag me into this conversation when you stated I was one of the MAIN posters to the Boob thread.
That's when my feathers got ruffled.


Happie Quote;
"Not really. The main guys posting that I noticed on that thread, in level of impact they made on my conciousness, were:
Philo - a very crass man, unable to debate without getting into absurd rants on topics which interest him. I do empathize with his concerns for Palestinians, and have been moved to tears reading some of his posts about his wife's relatives and friends over there. Married as well, which disqualifies a guy from "stud stardom" in my book.
Cosmic Cragsman - Securely married to a lovely woman. Again, in a committed relationship with another.
Locker - No offense to you Locker, but when we first went climbing and you said "I'm not interested in dating, but I'll sleep with you if you want!" I sort of was creeped out. I thought you were just kidding around, possibly, but of course every joke has a kernel of truth, but it is not the kind of humor that I find attractive in men, and the type of humor I like is a pretty important factor for me in considering "stud selecton."
BVB - Sobriety first! Besides, PTC has expressed interest, and I think they might make a good match, at least initially, and from their flirt postings to each other."







In the future, Happy, So this don't happen anymore,
just ignore me also. since mostly the only time you mention me, or ingage me in conversation, is to admonish me.

SERIOUS Dwain














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Dingus Milktoast


Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and... Jan 28, 2013 - 10:10am PT
With all this ignoring; the posts, like stars!

DMT




philo


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train? Jan 28, 2013 - 10:11am PT
Hey The Larry, some one has to bring a smart phone so PTC can take "selfie" boob shots.









happiegrrrl


Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com Jan 28, 2013 - 10:12am PT
...and who are you, veritas.curat, with only one post?

If you really want to assist me, there's no reason to not explain who you are, even that I might make a connection. How do we know each other, in real life? Please be specific enough that I can make a connection to a real person. If you do not want to do that on this forum - fine. Please send me a PM.






Hawkeye


climber
State of Mine Jan 28, 2013 - 10:12am PT

if one of you guys had just gone back to her tent, this whole thing wouldnt be such a serious matter.




bvb


Social climber
flagstaff arizona Jan 28, 2013 - 10:14am PT
Wow! Seriuosly, I would pay money to have LEB back right now. Can you imaging what this would be like with her in the mix? w00t w00t!




philo


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train? Jan 28, 2013 - 10:16am PT
It would be Thread-ageddon.
Or would it be Thread-pocolypse?




happiegrrrl


Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com Jan 28, 2013 - 10:16am PT
Dwain - I am sorry of you have felt I ignored/ignored you.

You have made remarks at times that you think I don't want to climb with you and such(or....am I imagining?) and I have always felt bad about it because the fact was that I DO enjoy your company and climbing with you, and appreciate the times you have ropegunned.

Last year you asked a few times that I ought to come out to Vegas and climb and I WANTED to. But I was pretty much flat out broke, as I still am, and couldn't think the gas to do the trip was doable.







couchmaster


climber
pdx Jan 28, 2013 - 10:23am PT
Did anyone else notice that bastard Donini had the brains and intelligence to slip out of here while the getting was good? LOL! It appears that there's a lot of us should take the "I will only post to climbing threads" pledge.

OK, trainwreck back on. ...........wait...... (Locker style edit in play)



Locker, you and Cosmic crack me up all day long, and don't take this the wrong way, but I can see how some of your stuff would creep a person out. Not me, I'm too busy laughing my ass off most the time. But look at the unwarranted and unfounded claims make by some on this thread who were genuinely offended by the breast thread. Talking more about folks of a sensitive, sour, non-jocular, bitter, angry personality. You can spot them on this thread here or there.


I bet that Donini is lapping spliter cracks right now...sigh.....




bvb


Social climber
flagstaff arizona Jan 28, 2013 - 10:23am PT
It'd just be really, really fun!




graniteclimber


Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division Jan 28, 2013 - 10:28am PT
Locker, if you are going to post your ex's, it's only fair that you also post pics of how they look now. And also how you looked when you married them and how they looked now.




philo


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train? Jan 28, 2013 - 10:31am PT
Happie I am truly pleased that you like my Toons. I also hope that you would see the humor in much of what I post. Trust me it's there.
The mind that drew those silly toons is not crass.
Just a mean spirited SOB. LOL. :)

Have you noticed that for as rude as I have been-and I have at times been very rude - I am still here while some of those who attacked me viscously and received the brunt of my 'crassness' are now deactivated?

Hey Hawkeye why do the disinterested post to threads to express their disinterest?




Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 28, 2013 - 10:31am PT
BVB wrote:

Wow! Seriuosly, I would pay money to have LEB back right now. Can you imaging what this would be like with her in the mix? w00t w00t!

Dude, on a couple of occasions I actually PM'd LEB (or just pulled on her shirt sleeve in some nearby thread) to come and join these filibusters; all in the name of pulling out the stops. Wings of Steel comes to mind. It was like bringing rich manure or some sort of kick ass soil amendment to the party.




Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 10:48am PT
"Locker, you and Cosmic crack me up all day long, and don't take this the wrong way, but I can see how some of your stuff would creep a person out."







It's all you Posters, here on ST, fault, Couch.
Your comments are the reason all those images appear in my mind that inspire my COSMetICs.

:)

Edit





k-man


Gym climber
SCruz Jan 28, 2013 - 10:48am PT
Now, more than ever, I am convinced.








This is a serious matter...




veritas.curat


Ice climber
Shan-gri-la Jan 28, 2013 - 10:49am PT

Dwain - I am sorry of you have felt I ignored/ignored you.

You have made remarks at times that you think I don't want to climb with you and such(or....am I imagining?) and I have always felt bad about it because the fact was that I DO enjoy your company and climbing with you, and appreciate the times you have ropegunned.

Last year you asked a few times that I ought to come out to Vegas and climb and I WANTED to. But I was pretty much flat out broke, as I still am, and couldn't think the gas to do the trip was doable.

Quoted for posterity.




philo


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train? Jan 28, 2013 - 10:49am PT
Yea K-man but don't get serious about it unless it matters.




The Larry


climber
Moab, UT Jan 28, 2013 - 10:56am PT

I bet that Donini is lapping spliter cracks right now...sigh.....

I doubt it. It's a little wet and slushy at the moment.



Credit: The Larry






philo


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train? Jan 28, 2013 - 10:59am PT
Looks perfectly Scottish to me.
Full Conditions.




Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 28, 2013 - 11:03am PT
So what are we going to do with the next couple hundred posts, play cards?




part-time communist


Mountain climber Jan 28, 2013 - 11:05am PT
I wouldn't mind more bvb '6 years ago pics'!!




philo


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train? Jan 28, 2013 - 11:05am PT
I don't know Tarbuster but I am glad to see your hand in the fray.



Loon.

Credit: philo






bvb


Social climber
flagstaff arizona Jan 28, 2013 - 11:10am PT
Yeah, neither would I! This thread cries out for climbing content.






part-time communist


Mountain climber Jan 28, 2013 - 11:12am PT
holy cow..

excuse me but you are one mighty fine dude.


this might turn into a bvb-PTC picture-posting-of-each-others-fine-features-and-aSSets face off, if you guys don't mind.




philo


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train? Jan 28, 2013 - 11:17am PT
Wait. Can I get my Malox first?




bvb


Social climber
flagstaff arizona Jan 28, 2013 - 11:18am PT
Of course, my hair is a lot longer now. 2012.








Dr. F.


Ice climber
SoCal Jan 28, 2013 - 11:20am PT
Hey Tar
How's it going, glad to see your back!

Please stir the pot, it's getting boring around here

Not enough right wingers saying stupid things anymore
I guess we scared them off




The Larry


climber
Moab, UT Jan 28, 2013 - 11:20am PT
Damn Tarbuster, that is one serious outfit.




philo


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train? Jan 28, 2013 - 11:20am PT
Oh No LOOK OUT for the nek minit.




Dr. F.


Ice climber
SoCal Jan 28, 2013 - 11:21am PT



LEB giving DMT an inspection

Credit: Dr. F.






Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 11:22am PT
BVB's got a GIRLFRIEND,...

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Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 11:23am PT
Hey Dr. F;
Where's my CREDIT for that Photo???

:)

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The Larry


climber
Moab, UT Jan 28, 2013 - 11:24am PT
It is seriously slippery out here right now.




Ankle biter.

Credit: The Larry



Seriously old climbing pick.



Credit: The Larry



Seriously hawt ex-girlfriend on the sharp end.




Caroline on Uncle John's Handcrack.

Credit: The Larry






The Larry


climber
Moab, UT Jan 28, 2013 - 11:26am PT
I'm seriously bored today.




Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 11:28am PT
UH OH...
Here we go.
Now this is going to turn into a, SERIOUS, PENIS Thread.

:-S

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philo


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train? Jan 28, 2013 - 11:30am PT


Credit: philo






bvb


Social climber
flagstaff arizona Jan 28, 2013 - 11:34am PT
Let's start posting photos of our ex's!








Tony Bird


climber
Northridge, CA Jan 28, 2013 - 11:35am PT
just wanna let you guys know--i'm about to nuke this sucker. it has become silly to the point of obscene. you may want to save your precious contributions and repost them in a more appropriate thread. suggested title: thomas the tank engine and his boxcars.

sheesh--come down with the flu for a few days and your thread goes to heck.




part-time communist


Mountain climber Jan 28, 2013 - 11:37am PT
aw shucks I was just going to post a NEW hot photo!

lol




Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 11:38am PT


Credit: Cosmiccragsman
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philo


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train? Jan 28, 2013 - 11:39am PT


Credit: philo





Credit: philo





Credit: philo






mitchy


Trad climber
new england Jan 28, 2013 - 11:39am PT
Please don't.




The Larry


climber
Moab, UT Jan 28, 2013 - 11:40am PT
...control issues...




Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 28, 2013 - 11:41am PT
Sorry Tony, were at our best here, really.
Hey Larry: what's the deal with uncle John's Hand Crack? Does it get interesting?




Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 11:42am PT
Don't do that, Tony.
It's too much FUN being SERIOUS!

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RyanD


climber
Squamish Jan 28, 2013 - 11:42am PT
I call BS Tony -as if u didn't notice this sh#t show, thanks for making the announcement tho-bombs away!




Relic


Social climber
Vancouver, BC Jan 28, 2013 - 11:42am PT
BVB must not like his long braided hair, cuz i'm gonna rip em off his nik minit head!


:) just joking. Have at it lovers!


That Flagstaff bouldering looks amazing. I first heard about it from Carrie C. when we were in Hueco seven years ago. She made it sound like its the place to be. Gonna have to check it out one day soon.






Dropline


Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There Jan 28, 2013 - 11:44am PT
I vote for keeping the thread.




philo


Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train? Jan 28, 2013 - 11:47am PT
May I suggest you post several hundred large jpegs of nuclear explosions.
It worked really well for t*r.




The Larry


climber
Moab, UT Jan 28, 2013 - 11:47am PT
It's a nice little splitter about 60' long up in the mountains. I rarely bring a rack up there. The cracks are kind of sharp.




Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 11:48am PT
Yeah, Tony.
Don't go T*R on us!!!

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Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 28, 2013 - 11:50am PT
So you just go soloing or top roping?
It's a great shot by the way. Rock quality looks intriguing.




part-time communist


Mountain climber Jan 28, 2013 - 11:53am PT
you into naughty blondes, bvb? lol



Missing photo ID#286945







Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 28, 2013 - 11:54am PT
Hey Tony,
This thread has served the forum quite well in my estimation.
A lot of people worked through a lot of stuff here. It's invaluable really.




Hardman Knott


Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca Jan 28, 2013 - 11:56am PT
Thread nuking is lame.

Don't be lame.




toadgas


Social climber
los angeles Jan 28, 2013 - 11:56am PT
.



hehe...cosmic said penises



dont know if tony approves, but......


vvv

http://i.imgur.com/xUyQe.jpg



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The Larry


climber
Moab, UT Jan 28, 2013 - 11:59am PT
Tarbuster, just quickdraws. I guess that's a sport rack? Haha




Michelle


Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters. Jan 28, 2013 - 11:59am PT
hey Larry, I'm out of Popcorn. Got any left?




drljefe


climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson Jan 28, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
I think we all knew things were gonna get weird as soon as ptc showed up...
But this is f*#king awe some!!!
(hurt feelings aside)

Tony- let's get back on track here.
why would you refuse a pad when it was already there at the base of a problem?
Honey bear wants to know too.




Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
"hehe...cosmic said penises"






Credit: Cosmiccragsman
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Credit: Cosmiccragsman
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Credit: Cosmiccragsman
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Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 28, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
Does it pinch down and change size at all or is it just production line jamming?




The Larry


climber
Moab, UT Jan 28, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
The popcorn's all gone. Time to move on to the hard stuff.


















































Pretzels




RyanD


climber
Squamish Jan 28, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
^^^ lol that last pick of dick man is amazing, one of my favorite superheroes.






The Larry


climber
Moab, UT Jan 28, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
It's thin to good hand jams. 5.10. Pretty soloable if that is your cup of tea.




Hankster


Social climber
Golden, CO Jan 28, 2013 - 12:10pm PT

A lot of people worked through a lot of stuff here. It's invaluable really.

YEAH, Cosmic tweaked my dicksuit pic with lockers face on it!!! Much has been accomplished.




Vitaliy M.


Mountain climber
San Francisco Jan 28, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
You guys are still whining and posting penis pictures? Great thread, definitely keep it!




Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 28, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
True that Hank!




Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 28, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
OK: back to werk!
Where was I, oh yeah:


Camille Paglia: Sexual Personae


It is essentially a rollicking feast of Western art and literary criticism taken in through Paglia's erudite and highly detailed gender lens. Remember that movie about Henry Miller and Anaïs Nin, where they're all sitting at a table in France preparing to eat a soufflé and he just reaches over to the steaming dish with his fork, peremptorily stabbing the rich mushroom shaped lid and slapping the entire thing on his plate? That's what it's like to read her; extremely rich and probably a little overwrought for most palates, but what the hell.

Here's one of the more tame excerpts from the intro Birth of the Western Eye, a treatment which is completely on-topic, which helps to shine a little light on how she deconstructs feminist thought (if I read any of the primary text, it would probably sink or bewilder for want of context):


Though woman was at the center of early symbolism, real women were powerless. A fantasy dogging feminist writing is that there was once a peaceable matriarchy overthrown by warmongering men, founders of patriarchal society. The idea began with Bachofen in the 19th century and was adopted by Jane Harrison, that great scholar's one error. Not a shred of evidence supports the existence of matriarchy anywhere in the world at any time. Political rule by women, must not be confused with matrilineage, passive transmission of property or authority through the female side. The matriarchy hypothesis, revived by American feminism, continues to flourish outside the University.


There's plenty in there which would be much more germane to the struggle represented in this thread. It's 700 pages long and I got a bunch of stuff tabbed, but it's been 20 years since I read it, so it might be hard to pull out anything cogent. Her arguments comprise very long strings.





Cosmiccragsman


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas! Jan 28, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
I TWEEK everything, Hank!!



;-)

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Tarbuster


climber
right here, right now Jan 28, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
You could do more with that Cosmic, but it would get us both banned!




Captain...or Skully


climber Jan 28, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
There really are NO serious matters.




Sewellymon


climber
.....in a single wide...... Jan 28, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
pretty awesome serious silly shittzle..

i do like the idea of posting up photos of your ex. at least in the case of BVB. the how do you say? "evil X" has always been camera friendly...

and Locker.. whoa man. those 3 photos of you ex sure made your point.
wife #3 looks a bit like one of those mail order brides from Russia. Smokin hot but crazy as bat sh#t




Hankster


Social climber
Golden, CO Jan 28, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
= Awesome!




part-time communist


Mountain climber Jan 28, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
to go with the whole topless theme of this thread, can we have bvb post a pic with his shirt off? lol




Captain...or Skully


climber Jan 28, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
Imagi
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 29, 2013 - 11:38am PT
bump
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Jan 29, 2013 - 11:38am PT
Give it up Cosmic
Your just cluttering up the new stuff
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 29, 2013 - 11:39am PT
bump to start a new page.
the ols serious thread is merged with the new serious
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 29, 2013 - 11:57am PT
This just goes to illustrate how incredibly LAME it is to summarily delete the contributions of others.

Tony Bird is a (wet) noodle-spined weenie for doing so.
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