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Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:03am PT
Here's an idea.
We could go back into the original thread, cut and paste sh#t people said to each other, but "tweek" their statements to our liking.

I know it's labor-intensive, it's OCD.
And so doable.

It's like our own little bad behavior romper room and thanks to couchmaster the doors ain't never gonnah close on us!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:03am PT


Hey PTC...

Since you are sort of doing some MODELING...

How about putting on something more adult and SLEEZY as hell???...

:-)







part-time communist

Mountain climber
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:04am PT
i strapped my breasts real tight to my chest using a special bra thing that conceals and flattens women's chests to avoid sexist evaluations and perceptions of me.

you know, cus boobs causes such an outrage and all?
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:05am PT


survival...

LOL!!!...

GUD one!!!...

Fuking cracked me up just now...
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:06am PT
PTC: I recommend you rethink that approach.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:07am PT

Is it just me...

or does this look like Nicolas Cage???...

...

Or IS it, Nicolas Cage???...

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:08am PT
Oh what the hell..........................




















photo not found
Missing photo ID#287014










YES! It does look like Nick Cage, that's what I thought too, HA!!
You SHUD know, you MARRIED her!
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:08am PT

MOMMY???





photo not found
Missing photo ID#282621
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:09am PT
Part-time Dworkin,

Did your new bra cut the sexist evaluations you have of yourself ?
part-time communist

Mountain climber
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:12am PT
I felt much more liberated :)
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:16am PT
No CoZmic, yer momma's right here:



























Credit: survival
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:19am PT


^^^

I think I may have FINALLY found a new pair of SUNGLASSES...

part-time communist

Mountain climber
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:19am PT
a serious matter

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/20/fashion/jenn-sterger-takes-a-different-path.html?_r=0
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:23am PT


Fuk!!!...

They fit pretty GUD...

Credit: locker
...

With some minor adjustments they'll be PERFECT!!!...

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:29am PT
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:22am PT
Tony, next time you go bouldering, try using a pad. I was semi offended that you refused
mine when offered.
mrtropy

Trad climber
Nor Cal

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:32am PT
Can someone give me the full story of what happened and a time line. I have only bits and pieces. Thanks
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:35am PT
From the perspective of 9,000 miles:

Who gives a sh#t that they're gone.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:36am PT
I am glad to contribute in even so small a way to the sprawling site-wide whinefest going on right now. Waaaahhh!!

It's better than another gun thread?
NoTokeRedKneck

climber

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:39am PT
"i have a little scientific experiment for him. google "teen porn", and then dial 9-1-1."

Sheriffs have been known to cause wrongful death, psychopaths, maniacs
inmates etc. may uncorrectly categorize or stereotype.

By CA. law teen p0rn under the age of 18 may not always be unlawful.
Secondly when parents attempted to defend themselves using a emancipation
defense, the emancipation was not ruled void, however liability was still
bound to the parents of the emancipated minor due to failure to file a release form.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:55am PT
There's a general dynamic at play here - female, non serious or non climbers offended that male and mostly dedicated climbers are having fun trading photos of titties.

Now, underage or teen models should be out of bounds for various reasons - I honestly didn't even think about their age until some female poster pointed it out - but the hostility to the gist of the thread was obvious and coming from disgruntled women before that.

The climbing world hasn't always had this issue - climbing used to be a solid boys club, and women knew their place in it. Then climbing mags began to be scolded by "feminists" if they ever printed a photo of a woman that had any sexual quality to it. The mags caved to the vocal minority. I remember a letter raking Yvon Chouinard over the coals for using a photo of a topless woman bouldering, shot from behind in a pair of his stand up shorts, barely the side of one breast showing.

Pick up a surf, skate, snowboard, motorcycle mag and see the difference. There's more tits and ass in one surf mag than all issues of climbing combined.

It's almost like lots of climbing women are threatened by physically beautiful women, especially those with extra weight in their upper body who don't climb.

Nice effort to break out of the rut, Anastasia and crew. Prudes prevail again.




atchafalaya

Boulder climber

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:56am PT
I think bes1st just admitted probable cause exists to search his computer.

Tony, sweet speculation brah!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:57am PT
when I read the thread title I thought "no way is he talking about the boob thread."

I was pleasantly disappointed.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:59am PT
Pick up a surf, skate, snowboard, motorcycle mag and see the difference. There's more tits and ass in one surf mag than all issues of climbing combined

aint that the truth!

i went to the beach yestarday and it looked just like summer. tit's and roxy ass all around.

the boobs thread got the desperate climbers excited!

i agree with you tony.

i hope when a person contributes to this site it becomes usefull for the rest of this climbers community :)

TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:11am PT
It's all serious until someone puts an eye out.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:16am PT
Kevin, point well taken but for me there are other issues. I know this is a forum for climbers rather than a climbing forum but the OT content and the ensuing drama has gone, at least for me, over the top.
Maybe it's the angst that becomes more prevalent in the depths of winter, maybe it's just what the forum has become. The fact remains that 80% of the threads currently on ST can be found anywhere on the internet. Those threads, based on the posts they elicit, dominate the content of ST.
As i aproach my 70th birthday, the sands running ever faster thru the hourglass, i have decided to dedicate this year to some climbing goals. A climbing forum can serve like a support group and this does if you are willing to dig. Unfortunately, i find myself getting sucked into the muck and morass of the bulk of discussion here.
I need to take a sabbatical while i get on with my goals. I'll peek in to see if i can find a nugget or two.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:23am PT



I really feel for Chris Mac.

I bet he never has kids after having to deal with all the babies here.

Can you imagine how many emails he must have to decipher?



So and So called me names, so and so is a jerk, so and so posted mean images.

For F*#k Sake
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:24am PT
Hey Jim, hope you're doing well.

The Climbing World that I live in does not seem to have a problem with nudity. But I guess that's because the Climbers that appear in StoneNudes are mostly in their 20's a much different generation than posts here. . .Think about it. . .df
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:29am PT
Haha Dean true, but I think it also has to do with a positive mind set and healthy self-esteem for your friends.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:31am PT
Bullwinkle is right. We should all use some common sense when it involves women's and men's feelings:





kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:34am PT
Who gives a fuk what you think? If this is a serious matter you need to get out more.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:36am PT
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Wasn't it the Femenists
that burned their bras?

:)

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Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:50am PT
I don't for a second believe that any well formed male actually has an issue with the female form in any way shape or form, nude of otherwise. I do believe that people enjoy masquerading as puritanical guardians of The Faith. But I wish they would really go into their own thoughts and beliefs instead of bashing ours. There is plenty of room for all opinions here, and the most august, righteous and bombastic are often the most entertaining. And this is all entertainment, of that we may be sure. There's nothing remotely "serious" about a thread on knockers, no matter how you spin it.

JL
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:12am PT
maybe you never had the pleasure of mixed company in climbing, warbler, but it pre-dates even your term in california. if i have to drop some names, try mr. and mrs. john mendenhall and mr. and mrs. chuck wilts. oh, yea, more boys than girls in this sport, but one of the things that attracted me was the happy mixed company of it. that all follows good manners out the window.

don't kid yourself that this is a guy thing. we already have a "tittay" thread that gets revived occasionally and then properly dies for lack of interest. this thread was started by a young woman with an agenda, and that has made all the difference.

maybe you missed the genesis of it, JL, being in the hospital. it did all begin with something quite serious, nothing remote about that, the sandy hook shootings. or, should i say, alleged shootings, according to the suggestion of tom cochrane, who brought up the little matter of mind control, patsies, and staged government terrorism, matters i know you'd probably rather not get into. it got to be quite a free-for-all for a few days over christmastime, and then anastasia decided to play the tits card to draw everyone away from the conspiracy theorizing and tom cochrane bashing. worked a charm. for the record, i'm not the least prudish about any of it, although i think it got pretty extreme for a climber's forum. i just ignored it and delivered an occasional snide remark on other threads. but i can't ignore losing lolli.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:20am PT


Credit: Hardman Knott


Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:23am PT
Tony, are you seriously jumping on the latest conspiracy theory that the Sandy Hook shootings were a gov't black opps in order to steal a perceived right to be an as#@&%e with a gun ?

What exactly do you define as obscene with this thread ?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:25am PT


Credit: survival


GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:25am PT



The White Knight is here, sacrificing manhood for acceptance from women his mother never gave him!









these are jokes...
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:26am PT
you sure like to put words in other people's mouths, jim brennan, and predeliver your arguments to them.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:27am PT
anastasia should have nuked that thread. it's a measure of her immaturity, and perhaps her ego, that she couldn't recognize the monster she had created.
Dude, I think your cheese has slid off yer cracker
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:34am PT
Could someone please post a pic of this boob monster you speak of?
B_E_S

climber

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:34am PT
atchafayala,
on what grounds? I believe many whom believe in Carnivore or
other types of that software to be of unsound and or mentally
unstable minds. If there is grounds to search a computer mental
soundness should grant a court order for confiscation of the
computer itself so prevent liability upon those whom are probably
unsound minds.

http://www.wileyrein.com/publications.cfm?sp=articles&id=1499

There are also numerous other state laws prohibiting remote network access, tracking etc.

Back to partition setup and btw i am my own man and I do not work
for ISP's.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:37am PT
Answer the question Tony. Do you believe the killings at Sandy Hook were a government plot that would lead to enabling gun registration ?

You brought it up in defense of Tom Cochrane.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:40am PT
Time for a thread hijacking.


Credit: kennyt


kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:41am PT


Compromise
Compromise
Credit: kennyt


patrick compton

Trad climber
van

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:45am PT
I enjoy the irony that as the tits got smaller, the more upset peoples got.

I thought the Boob thread was quite cutting-edge and thought provoking.

Grok on this for a minute:

If underage tities are so horribly wrong (and I'm not sure what as posted was underage), then does that make topless beaches in Europe where parents walk around with their kids the devil's playground?

No, at the end of the day, it is the human body, male or female.

If we as westerners saw more nudity, we would be desensitized to it and it wouldn't be the issue it is.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:47am PT
...oh, if you don't like the female upper body, why open the thread?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:48am PT
seriously

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:58am PT



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JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA

Jan 23, 2013 - 10:58am PT
this thread was started by a young woman with an agenda

Tony,

I think CMac acted properly in removing the thread, given his potential liability. I've seen many people sentenced to be remanded to the custody of the Federal Bureau of Prisons for child pornography, and those were almost always my most depressing days in court. Also, Super Topo is in the business of selling climbing guides, and can legitimately regulate content that might drive potential customers away because of unnecessary offense.


Nonetheless, I feel a need to stand up for my friend Anastasia. While I'm sure she's amused to be called a young woman, her only "agenda" was, I'm quite sure, having some fun (and poking some fun rather gently)at the expense of her male friends.

Anastasia is a climber, wife, mother, and also the holder and expounder of political beliefs that are often the exact opposite of mine. I find her contributions here valuable. I would also note that she, too, took a rather extended sabbatical from ST and I, for one, am glad she chose to return.

While I'm sorry that Lolli has decided to leave (temporarily, I hope), I just can't see the happenings on any climbers' forum as serious. Also, I don't think we'd have a worthwhile forum if we all had to tiptoe on eggshells for fear of offending someone. Again, this is a private forum, and CMac has the right to regulate it in any way he sees fit. I, for one, greatly appreciate how he's given us as wide a latitude as possible to express ourselves.

John
couchmaster

climber
pdx

Jan 23, 2013 - 11:02am PT
I think Anastasia is a wonderful person. Shes a hell of a lot more mature, intelligent and nicer than most of us.

jus sayin...






Ama Dablam! Woot! Nice one Bruce.

I'll see your Ama Dablam and raise you an underage Tibetian girls shaking the horse bells on a Mt Everest trip photo.



Speaking of the little children...if ya want to raise a lil climber ya need to start early they say.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!

Jan 23, 2013 - 11:07am PT
Size doesn't always equal age.
My Lovely Wife is a good example of this.
I like em small. Less DROOP!

:)

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TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho

Jan 23, 2013 - 11:12am PT
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland

Jan 23, 2013 - 11:15am PT
SERIOUSLY!!!



Credit: moosedrool


kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California

Jan 23, 2013 - 11:16am PT
Nice one moosie
RyanD

climber
Squamish

Jan 23, 2013 - 11:19am PT





Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA

Jan 23, 2013 - 11:19am PT
cmac deleted the boobs thread? i thought t*r scuttled it by dumping a zillion pics of a nuclear explosion on it, making the load-in very time consuming. then, as punishment, so the gossip here goes, cmac disabled her account. correct me if i'm wrong.

i will admit that i'm only theorizing that lolli left because of all this.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area

Jan 23, 2013 - 11:30am PT
"i will admit that i'm only theorizing that lolli left because of all this."


You'd be playing the percentages.

We had a problem like this at one of the bars I worked.

Women wouldn't walk in, (or wouldn't stay very long or wouldn't come back again if they did walk in) as long as the joint was dominated by loud, rude, dirt-workers who showed up early and stayed all night ( couldn't go home because that's where their wives were ). Too rude or too stupid to keep their hurtful language to themselves.

We fixed that by getting rid of the things they liked, like Budweiser Draft ( replaced with Guiness ), the pool table ( replaced with a piano and dance floor ) and the Lottery ( replaced by nothing ).

The positive results were immediate. The loud dirt-workers found another sausage-bar and couples and groups of women and educated guys started coming in. It became a cool place to hang and a fun place to work.

I don't know how you would work that here, though.
John M

climber

Jan 23, 2013 - 11:31am PT
CMac deleted the thread. The photo bombs didn't destroy the thread, they just made it difficult to get through.

Anastasia has a more European mindset. As do others here. Something you don't seem to understand.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands

Jan 23, 2013 - 11:37am PT
how about the other women, John?

a number of them have posted their "displeasure' with the boob thread

maybe they didn't have a European mindset, but they kept quiet and let it go on
and only when it was deleted did they speak out

and women were not the only ones who felt a boob thread did not belong here, there were some males who spoke out also

t*r decided to not be quiet about how she felt, she had had enough


this is a public internet web site, about climbers and climbing
presumably people of all ages and genders from around the world visit this site

why is it "oK" to support the righteousness of the boob thread anyway?
John M

climber

Jan 23, 2013 - 11:44am PT
Norton.. I appreciate that some people didn't like the thread. Male or female. As I told Sullly, I didn't know what to tell her about the thread. I can see why she doesn't like it and I can see why some people are not offended. What I was referring to was Tony's assumption that since Anastasia didn't delete the thread this must mean she had ego involved or was immature. I find that characterization kind of shallow and narrow minded.

I liked the thread, but knew that it would become gross eventually, which is why I deleted the pictures that I posted.

I wish that there was a mature way to enjoy the beauty of the female body without all of the inherent background garbage that goes along with it, but there doesn't seem to be. At least not on an open forum.
selfish man

Gym climber
Austin, TX

Jan 23, 2013 - 11:48am PT
Lewis Black's comments seem relevant to the ST boobs thread and its fate:



rwedgee

Ice climber
canyon country,CA

Jan 23, 2013 - 11:53am PT
I saw the first 40 or so posts on the boob thread & thought it was a refreshing break from the gun threads. For sure there are some here that will take it to taste bordering level, as almost any thread. If you don't like the thread, or any thread, then don't read it. I don't read the political threads but I don't mind if others do. Should I bomb the dog or gun threads ?? If you think there's child porn on it call the cops or whatever you need to do. Glad she's gone, doesn't climb...bye bye.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz

Jan 23, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
Settle down, or I'm gonna have to come over there and knock some sense into you!




Queen WannaKilYaBona
Queen WannaKilYaBona
Credit: FortMental






More:

selfish man, that was f'nunny.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 23, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
The folks who think there were photos of underage women on that thread must be in their late 30's at least. Anyone visit a college campus lately? The freshmen look like infants, like children. Moreover, Law Enforcement goes after child pornography with a righteous vengence. All the photos on the Boobs thread were conjured through a simple Google image search for "boobs", "tits", or "breasts."

The most surprising thing about this whole debacle is the extraordinary level of wildly uninformed commentary. I spent five years at The Evergreen State College, the birthplace of radical post-feminism, the Riotgrrl movement, Queercore music, etc. Many of the most established thinkers in family studies and woman's studies teach there -- Stephanie Coontz, Susan Strassman, and so on. My ex-wife, who many of you know, met me just a few weeks after moving out of one of Olympia's most fundamentalist lesbian households. So I know a bit about some of this stuff. And when I read the commentary here, I cringe. It has all the insight and subtlety and understanding and nuance of a cafeteria food fight.

The strident pronouncements on the boobs thread about it being "porn"; how it served this purpose, or that -- or not; how Cmac was potentially criminally liable, on and on and on. Please. I guess there are a lot of people here with very little drama in their lives for whom this provides something to get worked up over. When I wake up in the morning, I wonder what I can do that day to make my 20-year-old autistic son's life better, or how I'm gonna pay for my daughter's braces. The boobs thread was a lightweight and comical diversion. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a cultural ostrich who needs to go read the current issue of Cosmo for some grounding in current American cultural norms. There will always be the t*r's of the world -- and apparently her apologists as well -- people who will take offense from out of left field at God knows what. From what I can tell this is just the latest in a long and storied history of meltdowns worthy of any teenager. I was shocked to learn she's apparently in her 30's?!

In any event, at least try to inform yourselves before you squander any more of you time on this. Folks are couching their remarks within the context of broad cultural assumptions that do not bear up to even the most casual scrutiny.

drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson

Jan 23, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
word up bvb.

Back to the original" serious matter"...
Why you deny pad Tony?
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 23, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
There's a general dynamic at play here - female, non serious or non climbers offended that male and mostly dedicated climbers are having fun trading photos of titties.

...except that the majority of posting Supertopians who were against the thread were men.

climbing used to be a solid boys club, and women knew their place in it.
You mean like Bonnie Prudden and Jan Conn knew their place?

It's almost like lots of climbing women are threatened by physically beautiful women, especially those with extra weight in their upper body who don't climb.
Again, even though more men posted against that thread, you are focused on "fat women." Not the brightest star in the galaxy you, I have to think....
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!

Jan 23, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
What I find funny, or maybe it's me,
that Boobs are as controversial as Politics, Religion, guns,
and the Wings of Steel.

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kaholatingtong

Trad climber
Nevada City

Jan 23, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
i find it rather comical too. us americans are a bunch of prudes.
LL LL

Sport climber
moving thru

Jan 23, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
Love your last comment, Largo :D

Donini, please don't sign off. (please, please, please and I rarely say please.) I love your wit and comments on ST. Plus I learn much about the outdoor world and climbing from them.

Finally, this particular Thread Title.....a serious matter.....maybe that's the matter.
Not so serious if people had real lives to live and contend with. Just sayin'.

Much ado about nada, imho. lynne
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 23, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
All I'm gonna say is you can't blame me for any of this ...

I had nothing to do with it.


I will say though, G-d made boobs very beautiful. I like them. They are meant to be liked.

King Salomon had a serious boob problem. Recall he had over 800 women, wives, girlfriends, concubines, and what have you. That's a lot of boobs.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Jan 23, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
It's lame to try to blame Anastasia.

Also, that pictures showing unclothed breasts are offensive to women is just one opinion, and I'm sure that they are offensive to some women (and some men), plenty of women (and men) do not share that opinion.

In fact many feminists believe that it is discriminatory for the unclothed female nipple to be labeled obscene while men (who also have nipples) are allowed to be topless in public. What's odd here is that it is OK for a women's breast to be exposed so long as the nipple is covered, but the nipples of men and women (pre-pregnancy) are almost identical!

I'm not sorry that Chris Mac deleted the thread. It had outlived its usefulness, but I'm not sorry he allowed it to be up either.

I see it as a sign of progress that the thread offended relatively few people and was allowed to be up for as long as it was.

Also, bravo to t*r for taking a stand for what she believed in. Lot's of people have nuked threads they didn't agree with in the past and were not banned. I don't know why t*r was.

Edit: This is a day for the record books. I'm in agreement with Klimmer on something!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 23, 2013 - 03:18pm PT




Credit: locker


...


Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!

Jan 23, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
obscene?

no.

those kids laying on the floor, that is obscene.

(stole that from Hustler, remember the guys brains hanging out with the "this is obscene" quote?)

Anastasia is way cool, she was trying to lighten us up after a real bummer,

what is so wrong with that?

just use good taste when you post a boobs pic,






Walleye

climber
The Hot Kiss on the end of a Wet Fist

Jan 23, 2013 - 03:22pm PT


Credit: Walleye




Censored by Walleye for the more easily offended
Censored by Walleye for the more easily offended
Credit: Walleye


EDIT: FYI Walleye is not related to the Editor and Publisher of Hustler Magazine (unfortunately)
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho

Jan 23, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
I don't believe anyone is claiming breasts shouldn't be liked, Klimmer. I don't recall reading anything about Solomons concubines being put in public display or cavorting like ponies in the corral.

I can't speak for all negative responders to the B thread...I would suggest many found nudity being focused into a review and cavalcade, complete with howls, yelps and expletives distinctly distasteful.

As others have posted, artistic or incidental nudity won't be frowned on by most members... but the images with burlesque and strutting connotation should be kept on porn sites.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...

Jan 23, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
Burlesque???!!!1111



DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...

Jan 23, 2013 - 03:45pm PT


DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...

Jan 23, 2013 - 03:46pm PT


DMT
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula

Jan 23, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
This thread is gonna cause more confusion than a mouse in a burlesque show!



Fortunately I keep my feathers numbered...
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!

Jan 23, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
Sigh.
Dingus, Dingus, Dingus.
T*R Isn't going to like you anymore especially
after posting those exploited young Ladies dancing
suggestivly on the Bar..

;-)

Edit: Uh Oh. I got the Suggestive,69th post.

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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...

Jan 23, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
I'm quite secure in my relationship with t*r, pre and post banning.

:-)

DMT

ps. I've been in that bar and seen the lovely Molly dance, on that very same bar as in the vid. Woot woot!

Oh... my.... god.....
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL

Jan 23, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
but the images with burlesque and strutting connotation should be kept on porn sites.

I think its up to people to not be as#@&%es and scare away people with sensitives, even though their sensitivities are born from unhealthy viewpoints on sexuality, that is just my opinion and I am not justified to make people feel uncomfortable, even if I think I am right.
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.

Jan 23, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Take a sabbatical, Donini, but don't stay away. I like your posts. Maybe because I tend to agree with them.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you

Jan 23, 2013 - 04:05pm PT

Hilarious - the second funniest thing of all is that Loli would delete her self because of boobs. Have any of you been to Europe? Boobs are more common there than feet!! Every beach and swimming pool is topless and boobs are in every newspaper and magazine. lol...Boobs are to Europe what guns are to this dumbass country.

You have to laugh even harder about a few socialy illiterate woman getting their panties in a bunch about this ridiculous crap -woman who have never had relationships or who have had seriously f*#ked up divorces should be worrying about stable relationships in their own lives and trying to figure out the reasons for their own failed relationships or lack of relationship. Not whether a very intellegent and stable and married "climber" woman, such as Anastasia, posts up a boob thread or not..



America! they are just f*#king boobs

Jeepers what a bunch of uptight wingnuts!
I am actually fairy disturbed that some people do not know the difference between boobs and hard porn or a pedophile!! really? Your lines are that blurred and confused on the subject of the human form? The anatomy of the human body?

Reminds me of some of the religious prudes a guy can go out with sometimes, thinking they are reasonable girls, and the next thing ya know they are wanting you to stick a hot poker up their ass and choke them out and god knows what else ridiculous nonsense.
Or the Evangelical Preacher who by day is casting gays into hell and is secretly banging male meth addicts in a hotel room by night.


But the funniest thing of all is considering all the absolutely ridiculous drama TR has posted and been involved with over the years this has got to be the most ridiculous and hypocritical

Cause TR has posted her own boob pics!!! She would get drunk and send me pics of her boobs. And because I was involved in some drama with her, only on the phone thank goodness, I was in contact with many other people who also had had boob shots sent to them or been involved in more intimate and incredibly f*#ked up and dramatic ways - ask them? maybe they will post up!

All this is just f*#ked up drama that occurs when you get involved with emotionally and socially unstable people - you have all been drawn into a typhoon of drama that will never end.

And nobody close to TR is doing her any favors for enabling this behaviour.
As a guy who has worked as a nurse with large groups of woman for 20 years I can promise you this kind of silliness and drama is not tolerated. You pull weird social and human resources stuff/bullshit like this you are gone fast - I've seen it a 100 times. These folks do not know how to play or work with others. TR is not employable at the present time - i would bet my man boobs on it!

Maybe PTPT can post his story about just talking with TR when she worked in the Valley - he asked for her number and the next thing he knows she is crying about being underage to people? PTPT didn't know what hit him - and she wasn't even underage at the time.

Look at this shit! You have guys who posted a few boob pics being charged with pedophilia? Dumb asses talking about courts and police because of a few boob pics

Finally i have to laugh at the opinions of the right wing lunatics,
Pro god, pro gun, pro violence but anti-boob..lol
There is a recipe for a country you do not want to be apart of? - there is your recipe for America.

And Tony - seriously dude - stick to chem-trails and telling Ed Hartouni he doesn't know enough about Physics...Cause as usual you are way off.
treez

Trad climber
99827

Jan 23, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
That's funny, BVB!

It took me until way too late in life to understand that as soon as she mentions having gone to or wanting to go to Evergreen, I should RUN LIKE HELL!

the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La

Jan 23, 2013 - 04:17pm PT
I can't believe all these comments on that thread, objectifying people:


Are you talking beef or biscuits?

Any opportunity to post a pic of..

ooooooooooooh good post

Yeah, that's what we need here on the Taco stand. XX in a thong!

I used to have to avert my eyes,when XX - would walk by
shirtless....

This thread is like porn. Keep it coming!



All comments from the fairer sex on the first page of the most ripped climber thread! http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/330933/The-most-ripped-climber Granted the context is different, women deal with a lot more sexism and objectification than men do. But it's funny how for some people there's a double standard.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA

Jan 23, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
i heard klimmer's gotten very interested in younger women. and god approves!
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Jan 23, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
Of course "God" approves, if there is a God.

There is a reason why men find women sexually attractive.

Genesis 9:7 "Now be fruitful and multiply, and repopulate the earth."

Song of Solomon 7:3 "Your two breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle."

Song of Solomon 7:7-8 "Your stature is like a palm tree, and your breasts are like its clusters. I say I will climb the palm tree and lay hold of its fruit. Oh may your breasts be like clusters of the vine, and the scent of your breath like apples."
couchmaster

climber
pdx

Jan 23, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
Riley said:
"And nobody close to TR is doing her any favors for enabling this behaviour. As a guy who has worked as a nurse with large groups of woman for 20 years I can promise you this kind of silliness and drama is not tolerated. You pull weird social and human resources stuff/bullshit like this you are gone fast - I've seen it a 100 times. These folks do not know how to play or work with others. TR is not employable at the present time - i would bet my man boobs on it!"

I don't know how you would know that from a few posts on an internet forum Riley.


...And Dingus, if you really cared for t*r you would take the video of T*r's dancing nearly naked down.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...

Jan 23, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
I'll do better'n that and take some live video here in a coupla weeks, howzat?

DMT

ps. hopefully.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven

Jan 23, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
This thread need some boobs and climbing!



photo by Dean Fidelman
photo by Dean Fidelman
Credit: ncrockclimber


I'm Rick James, Bitch

Social climber
Up in it and down on it

Jan 23, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
Riley says:
But the funniest thing of all is considering all the absolutely ridiculous drama TR has posted and been involved with over the years this has got to be the most ridiculous and hypocritical

Cause TR has posted her own boob pics!!! She would get drunk and send me pics of her boobs. And because I was involved in some drama with her, only on the phone thank goodness, I was in contact with many other people who also had had boob shots sent to them or been involved in more intimate and incredibly f*#ked up and dramatic ways - ask them? maybe they will post up!

BULLSH#T without pics. Post 'em up!
CIRJB!!!!!69
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven

Jan 23, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
Riley says:
But the funniest thing of all is considering all the absolutely ridiculous drama TR has posted and been involved with over the years this has got to be the most ridiculous and hypocritical

Cause TR has posted her own boob pics!!! She would get drunk and send me pics of her boobs. And because I was involved in some drama with her, only on the phone thank goodness, I was in contact with many other people who also had had boob shots sent to them or been involved in more intimate and incredibly f*#ked up and dramatic ways - ask them? maybe they will post up!

You just cannot make this sh#t up! Too funny. I am willing to bet money that no photos are posted, but just hearing about this cracks me up.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven

Jan 23, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
Just in case I was not clear regarding the OP and the title of this thread, there was nothing "serious" about the original boob thread. You f*#king morons must live under rocks to think for a second that there was any child porn in that thread. Were some of the women "smaller" and younger looking than others? Yes. But to equate that with the exploitation of a minor and child porn is ludicrous. What is "serious" here is the need for you to get a life!

Here are some more boobs...



Something to make everyone smile.
Something to make everyone smile.
Credit: ncrockclimber


Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 23, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
If there are any +1's, There's one for sure.
Gracias, ncrockclimber.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you

Jan 23, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
It's not few posts couch-master...it's thousands of posts and emails and hundred phone calls...and about 10 years...
I may not know u at all yet...but many of us are close friends and climbing partners
And know each other very well..

And I don't write anything to be mean, or do I say anyone is a bad person..
I would and do say the same thing to my own kids, or sisters, or myself....or a doc or nurse I work with if I am in charge of an ER..

I still like TR even if this pisses me off..

And I respect Dingus a lot for sticking up for TR...
But I got to speak up when others r attacked as well

Anyway....I'm done..
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 23, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
Wow, GC and I agree on something. Amazing.

When you read The Song of Solomon and other passages of the Good Book, you realize sex is a wonderful thing in marriage. G-d is not against sex at all in a marriage relationship. All parts of the human body are wonderful and meant for pleasure.

http://www.joebeam.com/sexandbible.htm


G-d made man with very strong desires toward woman. And likewise woman toward man.





Genesis 1 (KJV)
[18] And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

...

[22] And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
[23] And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
[24] Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
[25] And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

...


Genesis 3 (KJV)
[16] Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.



I realize the feminists are gonna have a stroke over Genesis 3:16. Ok, so rebuke that spirit of Lilith from you and get over it. It's the natural order of things since the fall. You can't change it. Ain't gonna happen. And when you do fight against the natural order, marriages and families are destroyed.

Lilith, Lady Flying in Darkness
The most notorious demon of Jewish tradition becomes a feminist hero.
By Rabbi Jill Hammer
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/beliefs/Issues/Magic_and_the_Supernatural/Practices_and_Beliefs/Supernatural_Beings/Lilith.shtml




Tony,

What's the rule? Half your age plus 7? Sounds good.

Abraham after losing Sara married young. King David married young. And yes King Solomon had many younger wives or concubines.

Man needs a mate that wants to keep up. No couch potatoes. Sex is an action sport. Lots of sex in marriage keeps the temple in condition and keeps one another healthy. Very true. Read the science studies.

Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
This is a really strange place.

People post pictures of boobs, leading to some debate about appropriateness. Thread is deleted.

In any kind of sane world, that would be the end of it.

But this is Supertopo, and a disagreement about the appropriateness of some pictures of naked people has led Tony Bird to start this thread because he believes it was a distraction from the real issue of the day: that the kid who murdered the schoolchildren was a mind-controlled patsy in an event of "staged government terrorism."

And now it has brought Klimmer back out of retirement with his statement that while women might not like Genesis 3:16 (a section of his religious book), they'd better get over their dislike because "It's the natural order of things since the fall. You can't change it. Ain't gonna happen. And when you do fight against the natural order, marriages and families are destroyed." So what exactly is Genesis 3:16? Well I looked it up, an it seems to say that god wants women to suffer and be slaves to men.

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”

Yup it's more than just boobs. It's Supertopo. Home of climbers and crazies.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
Heck, I don't mind being objectified. I'm from Vegas.



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Do you Like my B@@BS?

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bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
Just in case I was not clear regarding the OP and the title of this thread, there was nothing "serious" about the original boob thread. You f*#king morons must live under rocks to think for a second that there was any child porn in that thread. Were some of the women "smaller" and younger looking than others? Yes. But to equate that with the exploitation of a minor and child porn is ludicrous. What is "serious" here is the need for you to get a life!

Yep. Exactly how I feel although I attempted to be somewhat less visceral. +1,000.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
Ghost,

You assume the natural order is about slavery. It's not. It's the way we are made and what we truly desire from the opposite sex in marriage.

Read the full article on Sex and the Bible. The New Covenant (NT) further clarifies it. It's a beautiful thing and what both men and women truly want. Woman do have a desire toward their husbands. They do want to be loved and cared for, like Christ loves the Church. Men love to love their wife, and they do cleave to them, love to care for them and protect them. The woman is a foundation that a man needs. Without that foundation many men feel lost. It's a wonderful balance. It's not slavery at all.

http://www.joebeam.com/sexandbible.htm
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
Yup. We're gonna die fer sure.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
It's not slavery at all

So then the part in Genesis 3:16 that says "Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you,” was just a misprint? What they meant to say was "...and he shall drool over you," but the dude doing the typesetting was careless and somehow it came out "...and he shall rule over you?"

That seems pretty clear to me. "He shall rule over you" is pretty clearly "Wife is a slave."

If you want to live in a world where men "rule over" their wives, that's great. But it's not the world that most people want to live in.
NoTokeRedKneck

climber

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
That seems pretty clear to me. "He shall rule over you" is pretty clearly "Wife is a slave."

Following the book (i don't always) can enslave persons and can
lead to ill logic ie::"lay down your life for your brother" etc.

What may constitute an emergency upon them may not constitute a
emergency upon myself or others. In rescue we were 1'st taught to
never cause or create another emergency or rescue.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
A tittle of remembrance for those who lost so much... :-)



Credit: Jennie



nature

climber
Boulder, CO

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
Ghost+1



and you'd think by now they'd figure out how to make a more shapely silicon bag. WTF?
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven

Jan 23, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
Ghost,

I already told you, you can't understand the OT without the NT. What you think is enslavement isn't. It's a battle of the sexes for sure, but there is a way out of this dilemma ...

Also the Bible was written in Hebrew not English. The Hebrew is rich with deep meaning. Best to compare many translations and look at the original Hebrew word or words.

This is a very good article that shows a way out of the battle ...

A true Christian marriage knows this and knows the NT ideal for marriage. It's not enslavement.



http://www.quodlibet.net/articles/parker-women.shtml

"Third, the description in this passage of the future relationship between Adam and Eve is about ‘alienation and conflict’ (Woolvard & Zuck, c. 1983–c. 1985). ‘The marriage ordinance continues, but is frustrated by the battle of the sexes.’ (Whitlock & Sproul, 1997) The whole message of the New Testament is one of reconciliation and unity, including those of the marriage relationship. To understand the consequences of Adam and Eve’s sin, in respect to their relationship with each other, as a command of God, would mean that this dimension of human relationships would be excluded from the gospel of Jesus Christ. As Richards (1997) points out, ‘Male dominance in the family is a consequence of sin. Why perpetuate it in the Christian home?’ Perry Yoder (1975) makes a similar point:

... while [Genesis] chapter 3 serves as an explanation for the less than ideal state of affairs that may now exist, it does not condone or pardon it. On the contrary, concessions or inadequate realizations of God’s will in terms of creation are to be challenged. (pp. 10–11 cited in Swartley 1983, p. 157)
If we persist in perpetuating these distorted types of relationships which are the result of the Fall, it is a clear message that we want to avoid allowing the gospel to teach us the proper Christian relationship between men and women.

Fourth, even if it is insisted by some that all of these are curses imposed by God, God immediately institutes a plan to reverse these curses. Apart from the implicit promises of a Saviour in verse 15, Abram is promised that all the nations of the earth will be blessed (the opposite of a curse!) through him (12:3).

We see the ultimate fulfilment and reversal of these consequence with the arrival of Christ. In Romans 5:21, Paul celebrates God’s wonderful kindness which rules instead of sin and the death it brought. As a result, sin’s power is broken (Rom. 6:1ff.) and the consequences of sin that we suffer begin to be undermined until they are completely eradicated at the Second Coming of Christ.

Whereas Genesis speaks of the husband ruling the wife, Paul commands mutual submission as the principle of all relationships in the Christian community, including marriage: ‘...you will submit to one another out of reverence for Christ’ (Eph. 5:21, NLT). Some argue that, in the following verses, Paul explicitly requires women to submit to their husbands and that the man is to rule her. However, it is essential to read the subsequent verses within the framework of the mutual submission of verse 21. In this verse, Paul makes a principle explicit using the term ‘mutual submission’. If we go on and make the specific applications that Paul makes deny this explicit principle, then we are twisting the Scripture to suit our own agendas. Whatever Paul has advised in the following verses must be seen as the application of the principle of mutual submission in the context of Paul’s time.

The contrast between the old and the new is clearly articulated by Redmacher (1997):

The word desire [in Genesis 3:16] can also mean "an attempt to usurp or control" as in [Genesis] 4:7. We can paraphrase the last two lines of this verse this way: "You will now have a tendency to dominate your husband, and he will have the tendency to act as a tyrant over you." The battle of the sexes has begun. Each strives for control and neither lives in the best interest of the other (see Phil. 2:3, 4). The antidote is in the restoration of mutual respect and dignity through Jesus Christ (see Eph. 5:21–33).
The motivation for this mutual respect is reverence for Christ (Eph. 5:21). Christ makes all the difference in relationships, including those between male and female, because ‘[t]here is no longer ... male or female. For you are all Christians—you are one in Christ Jesus.’ (Gal. 3:28, nlt) The fact that Paul makes reverence for Christ the centre of relationships, resulting in mutual submission, means the evil of the husband ruling the wife is reversed. Evans (1983) summarises the centrality of Christ in restoring our broken relationships: ‘It is only ‘in Christ’ that the broken relationship between man and woman, as that between God and Man, can fully and permanently be restored’ (p. 21).

The model for Christian relationships is most clearly and extensively articulated in Ephesians 5–6. We need to listen carefully to these passages of Scripture, for they help us to keep the consequences of Genesis in perspective. Fraser & Fraser (1975) summarise the difference that Jesus’ message makes to the relationship between husband and wife:

What was lost in the fall, expressed in Genesis 3:16 as the wife’s loss of equality in a functional subordination to her husband, Jesus intends to restore. The curse is rescinded by grace, and she is placed on the same level as her husband that she might be joint-heir with him in the responsibilities and grace of life (1 Peter 3:7).... The husband and wife are to be one in love and mutual subjection to each other. It would be difficult to find any norm for marriage as permanently threatening to all traditional marriage structures as that! (p. 18 cited in Swartley 1983, p. 265)
Christ came to reverse the consequences of the Fall. This means that we must stop using Genesis 3:16 to legitimate male dominance and tyranny over women, even if this is legitimised by saying that it is done in love. It is for freedom that Christ has set us free! Women should not allow men to place them back under the yoke that Christ has come to remove (Galatians 5:1).

The heart of the matter

Surely it has to be asked: Why is it that men (in particular) are so keen to argue that women should be submissive? If God has identified the tendency to rule as part of the consequences of sin, then we surely should ask ourselves whether, at the heart of the traditional interpretations of the Genesis story is a lust for power and domination. Power is seductive and easy to legitimate with religious arguments. But if Christ is our model for all of life, then we have no greater reason for an attitude of service and submission by both people in a marriage. It is in this way that marriages can witness to the radical change that has come with the arrival of Jesus Christ."
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
Thanks, Ghost, now you've set him off.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
+5
Jennie!!!!

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slayton

Trad climber
Here and There

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
Klimmer, you can't understand the OT or the NT without understanding that it was conceived of and written quite some time ago in a world incredibly different culturally from our own. You can take those words from the Bible and try to defend them as something sacrosanct by twisting them to your own ideal in this culture and this time but it doesn't change their meaning.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
Ah, I see Klimmer has arrived with his standard-issue 5,000 word cut-n-pastes that we all scroll right through without so much as a glance. Just a matter of time before Delusionsmeller chimes in.
MisterE

Social climber

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
delusionsmeller

POW! The American Legend scores a direct hit.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
It's about time you were SERIOUS, Locker!!!

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ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
For some reason I think that this video is an appropriate commentary for this "serious matter."

bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
I was serious once. I met this guy named Roebuck and we started a business. Great catalog, we sold a lot of schwag.

Ba-Dump!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:49pm PT


"It's about time you were SERIOUS, Locker!!!"...

Something you NEVER knew about me...














































I am a serious man, when it comes to serious matters...

MisterE

Social climber

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
Wow, what a revelation! Klimmer and GraniteClimber agree on something!

I'm so shocked.


Yawn.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
I am a serious man, when it comes to serious matters...


"And that would be...?"


Credit: Reilly


WyoRockMan

Trad climber
Flank of the Bighorns

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
The word of G-d does indeed cut to the marrow like a two edged sword. Some can take it and some can't, but it will never go away.

The Heavens and the Earth will pass away but his word is forever, eternal.

The original intent was to show sex in marriage, good sex, great sex is of G-d. Also G-d does build into men and women a strong desire for the other sex. That's of G-d also. The word of G-d calls that " natural affection."
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:54pm PT


Something is SERIOUSLY wrong...

I am SERIOUS...

This is a serious matter...




Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!

Jan 23, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
" I'm a serious man when it comes to serious matters"



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Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:19am PT
klimmer, you're misquoting the bible to prove your private point, a common abuse in the history of "scripture". every time i've ever heard it, it was "heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

what i get from this is: 1) big ego trip for jesus; 2) wait a minute--heaven's gonna pass away? you mean, we're not gonna go to heaven and live forever? maybe not such good deal after all; 3) it's just another biblical contradiction. norton's gonna be all over it.

of course, as you say, grammar and translation are important. for example, i've been told it's really, "thou shalt not murder," not "thou shalt not kill". opens quite a door, doesn't it? martin luther has assured us that, if a soldier dies on the battlefield, it is the will of god.

another thing, klimmer, very important at this stage in your career. if your wife and you have split up, you're just gonna have to remain celibate for the rest of your life, or at least until, and if, she straightens out and comes back to you. god was very serious about that "until-death-do-us-part" business. you're gonna havta carry the torch, maybe not for the old lady as much as for the integrity of your program. remember this terrible pronouncement:

The word of G-d does indeed cut to the marrow like a two edged sword. Some can take it and some can't, but it will never go away.

let me warn you, you're gonna have all kindsa ministers and/or priests figuring out loopholes so's you can try again with someone prettier, younger, and readily adaptible to an old f*#k with a house and a job. these guys are dodging for your dimes. even though they're wearing the cloth of the lord, they're doing the work of the devil. a vow's a vow, brother. get used to cold showers.

and what's with this "G-d" stuff? and in the same paragraph as "sex". doesn't win you any brownie points. god could well be pissed at you for leaving the vowel out. the hebrews did that too, and lookit what happened to them--given one of the worst patches of territory in the mideast and told it was "the promised land", kicked the heck outa egypt, which really had the choice real estate, and they didn't even get a desert full of oil, the bonus for faith in allah. and whatever happened to yahweh and elohim? could it be that god has an identity crisis? right around that corner, i'll bet you find a process theologian.
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:22am PT
How come things are so anatomically correct around here?
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:36am PT
To be anatomically incorrect serves no one.

That's pretty serious.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:44am PT


^^^

Seriously???...

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:19am PT


Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:42am PT
klimmer, you're misquoting the bible to prove your private point, a common abuse in the history of "scripture". every time i've ever heard it, it was "heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

what i get from this is: 1) big ego trip for jesus; 2) wait a minute--heaven's gonna pass away? you mean, we're not gonna go to heaven and live forever? maybe not such good deal after all; 3) it's just another biblical contradiction. norton's gonna be all over it.

of course, as you say, grammar and translation are important. for example, i've been told it's really, "thou shalt not murder," not "thou shalt not kill". opens quite a door, doesn't it? martin luther has assured us that, if a soldier dies on the battlefield, it is the will of god.

another thing, klimmer, very important at this stage in your career. if your wife and you have split up, you're just gonna have to remain celibate for the rest of your life, or at least until, and if, she straightens out and comes back to you. god was very serious about that "until-death-do-us-part" business. you're gonna havta carry the torch, maybe not for the old lady as much as for the integrity of your program. remember this terrible pronouncement:

The word of G-d does indeed cut to the marrow like a two edged sword. Some can take it and some can't, but it will never go away.

let me warn you, you're gonna have all kindsa ministers and/or priests figuring out loopholes so's you can try again with someone prettier, younger, and readily adaptible to an old f*#k with a house and a job. these guys are dodging for your dimes. even though they're wearing the cloth of the lord, they're doing the work of the devil. a vow's a vow, brother. get used to cold showers.

and what's with this "G-d" stuff? and in the same paragraph as "sex". doesn't win you any brownie points. god could well be pissed at you for leaving the vowel out. the hebrews did that too, and lookit what happened to them--given one of the worst patches of territory in the mideast and told it was "the promised land", kicked the heck outa egypt, which really had the choice real estate, and they didn't even get a desert full of oil, the bonus for faith in allah. and whatever happened to yahweh and elohim? could it be that god has an identity crisis? right around that corner, i'll bet you find a process theologian.


Tony, Tony, Tony ...


You have lots of questions and misstatements. May I advise you to talk with a Messianic Judaic Rabbi and attend a Messianic Synagogue as I have been. I have learned leaps and bounds and things have been carefully clarified concerning things I was in error over. You have to know The Old Covenant (OT) and The New Covenant (NT) really, really well. Most Christians in mainstream Christendom do not. They don't have the Hebrew and Judaic understanding. The Bible both OT and NT is Jewish. The Prophets are Jewish. Our Messiah is Jewish. The Disciples and the Messianic Rabbis are Jewish. Our faith is Jewish. I now understand that. My spiritual eyes are much more open.

I was only paraphrasing, not quoting. There are at least 10 different Heavens according to Hebraic scripture and Holy writings. The atmosphere "Heaven" above our heads is in one. Outer-space is another. The Heavens where Hashem Adonai Elohim resides is separated into multiple levels. Context Tony. The Universe as we know it, whether you take the scientific view "The Big Rip" or whether you listen to Adonai, it will be destroyed. But with Adonai it will be recreated new. We have that promise.


another thing, klimmer, very important at this stage in your career. if your wife and you have split up, you're just gonna have to remain celibate for the rest of your life, or at least until, and if, she straightens out and comes back to you. god was very serious about that "until-death-do-us-part" business. you're gonna havta carry the torch, maybe not for the old lady as much as for the integrity of your program. remember this terrible pronouncement:

The word of G-d does indeed cut to the marrow like a two edged sword. Some can take it and some can't, but it will never go away.


I will have to revisit the divorce thread. I will have to clarify things better at the end there. I thought that was it too. Once married, you are married for life until death do you part. I understand better now. There is a "Pauline Privilege" that applies to believers. You are not to leave, separate permanently, put away, or divorce your spouse as a believer, as a Christian, or as a Messianic Jew or Gentile. Because marriage is for life. But what if your spouse leaves you? Read 1 Corinthians 7 really, really carefully. If you are a believer and your spouse leaves you, or divorces you, you are free to remarry, but only another believer. They broke the marriage covenant not you. Rabbi Shaul (Paul) was a married Rabbi and a member of the Sanhedrin (you have to be married to be a member of the Sanhedrin). When he came to know Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus The Christ, he lost all and he says so, including losing his wife who was more than likely a devout Jew, of Judaic faith. He clearly says in the NT that he is free to remarry another believer, a sister in the Lord if he chooses to. He chose to remain single and not to remarry. Everyone has different gifts. Some have the gift of singleness, some do not. I don't like being alone. I need a helpmate.

I'm not divorcing my wife. She wants to divorce me. When our finances are taken care of, I have to let her go as 1 Corinthians 7 says to do. I have to do all that I can do to save our marriage, but if she still wants to divorce, then I have to let her go. Read 1 Corinthians 7.

I'll answer more later ...
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 10:28am PT
Hey Klimmer, the Bartlett character poses some interesting questions in this clip that have been gnawing at me for decades. Could you get back to me and clue me in? Thanks!

rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe

Jan 24, 2013 - 10:32am PT
Funny. Boobs are porn? Just try to tell someone that on a beach in France. And then call the gendarme and try to get every single guy arrested for accessing such porn.

People look at stuff they like; trees, wild animals, boobs, the bible. It's a fact of life.

Porn. That's a laugh. It's all porn. Dating a pretty girl is porn unless you're blind. Unless you have hands and then it's what, assault?

Dave
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 24, 2013 - 10:39am PT


^^^

You can't be SERIOUS...

moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland

Jan 24, 2013 - 10:54am PT
You bet I am SERIOUS!!!



Credit: moosedrool


happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:31am PT
Fair Alert: I intend to begin posting more images I find online to balance out the boob ones in these threads.

FWIW, I am NOT against the female body. I saw every image in the Boobs thread, and though there were some images which I would consider art, the majority were the type one finds on those sites that give free images of pretty soft content which include links to get to more graphic stuff(porn). "Gateway" imagery, as it were.

I found some of the texty drooling a little creepy, and also thought that including images out of context to be creepy(the thread was CLEARLY about breasts as a sexual organ, and to post breast-feeding baby pictures in that context was - to me -creepy. I also found the "u
part-time communist

Mountain climber
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:35am PT
wow that whole post and scrolling through it felt like taking a really warped and surreal trip through some alternate dimension of time, space, and the universe where you would be moving really fast through some crack in some law of physics and the chatter would be flying by at very high speeds, all happening at once, but all differentiated from one another too, all at the same time...
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:36am PT
Oh my head...

It might be a bit off putting.

Sw0le
Sw0le
Credit: Gluie McSniffer

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:36am PT
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:31am PT
Fair Alert: I intend to begin posting more images I find online to balance out the boob ones in these threads.

FWIW, I am NOT against the female body. I saw every image in the Boobs thread, and though there were some images which I would consider art, the majority were the type one finds on those sites that give free images of pretty soft content which include links to get to more graphic stuff(porn). "Gateway" imagery, as it were.

I found some of the texty drooling a little creepy, and also thought that including images out of context to be creepy(the thread was CLEARLY about breasts as a sexual organ, and to post breast-feeding baby pictures in that context was - to me -creepy. I also found the "underage look" images also creepy.

When I saw them I said "No doubt the models are over 18, but it seems to me that the images are styled to provide an impression of underage women as being sexually stimulating." That was what was, to me, creepy.

Note here, that I have indicated these are my opinions - I have as much right to voice my opinion as anyone else here, and at least I am not suggesting that others who don't share my opinion are fat old creepy men who couldn't get with any of those women even if they blinded them with a gold Rolex and then kidnapped them and drove away in a Porshe.

And what is making my blood boil is the really wretched remarks that those who felt the thread was out of place here must be prudes or ugly jealous women. It REALLY pisses me off that these take-down intimidation remarks are almost exclusively aimed at women DESPITE THE FACT that women have been a very minority voice in ths entire discussion. MISOGYNY. And that, in my opinion, is what is at the heart of quite a few of the images posted in the Boobs thread, despite how loudly some proclaim they love women and celebrate the female body.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:51am PT
Terri, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the misogyny aspect, although I agree a lot of the discourse has been unnecessarily unsporting. What chills me the most about boobgate is the profound lack of perspective and humor -- from all quarters. My perspective on the whole thing is grounded and informed by the women I was freinds with, had relationships with, was married too, climbed with, commiserated with, and so on.

Pay special attention to the "history" section; the women who laid the groundwork for this were my good freinds, and I married one of them. And I swear to God Terri, they would roll their eyes at this whole little brouhaha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_wave_feminism#Criticisms
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
http://www.climbaddictdesigns.com

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:59am PT
BVB, I haven't noticed anything you posted that registered on my Pisses Me Off radar. And I am certainly not considering all the Boob Thread proponents to be in one category. I wasn't even really against the boob thread concept, though I knew very clearly how it would develop and end.

But let it be known - I learned from my last images, that they need to be a bit more sexually suggestive to go toe to toe, or Basket to Boob, more aptly, with some of the booby shots.
WBraun

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
happiegrrrl-- "I am NOT against the female body."

Almost impossible to do anyways, since you're a female .....

:-)
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:04pm PT


Happie, you're on fire!!!...


LOL!!!...




EDITED:


I also agree with a lot of what you wrote...





Those last couple to a few shots were to me, questionable...

Even posted as such right before the bomb hit...



As soon as they were posted, I KNEW the thread was TOAST...



DickMcfartin

Ice climber
soewhere over the rainbow....

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
I kinda hate to say it but nothing Happy says does not make perfect sense. I was not so much sad to see the boob thread go although i was enjoying it.

However after the way happy puts it i am all for it being nuked! It was time....
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
Why do people miss a thread with just the boobs? There are pictures that reveal much more than boobs on the internetz. Videos too! Come on guys, do you want some links? That thread never had enough to look at while I whack my mole! So much trouble for so little content lost!
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
This is a really great poem by one of my favorite Olympia poets. She's a 300 lb. Gay Jewish Queercore feminist. Oh, and she's an amputee who is missing one leg. Just thought I's throw that in! I searched all over for an mp3 of her reading this, because it's breathtaking. But here, you can read it. Anyone one with an interest in boobgate that extends beyond our apparent mutual loathing of one another should check out Nomy's sh#t at www.nomylamm.com.

A Girl’s Guide To Doing What You’re Told

By Nomy Lamm

Part 1.

you don’t get to decide what you are
what happens is, you are nothing, and then you pop out
and the doctor says “boy” or else “girl” and that’s that.
for the rest of your life you are trying to be “boy” or else “girl.”

if you are very lucky, you will be called a man
and you will feel like a man and everyone else will think
you are a man and you will do all the things that real
men are supposed to do and you will score lots of chicks.
then you will be on top of the world, the pinnacle of success,
a very powerful person. this is a catch-22 though,
because if you are called a man and you feel like a man
and everyone thinks you are a man and you do all the things
that real men are supposed to do, then chances are
you are a f*#king as#@&%e and i hate you.

if you are called a woman and you feel like a woman
and everyone else thinks of you as a woman and you do all the things
that real women are supposed to do, then you are probably miserable.

if, like most people, you lie somewhere in between or beyond,
then you are also probably miserable.
(tough life.)

Part 2.

The First Thing You Have to Do if You Want to Be a Woman Is Be Pretty.

this is simple.
To be pretty, all you need is to fulfill at least three of these requirements:
(a) a great tan; (b) long legs (two of them); (c) blonde; (d) perky tits;
(e) button nose; (f) smooth skin; (g) slender waist; (h) stare dumbly;
(i) you are a doll; (j) a shimmery lip gloss; (k) a can of diet coke;
(l) a short skirt; (m) be on television

okay, count your points.
don’t worry if you didn’t quite make it
being pretty is all in the mind.
do this exercise:
every night before you go to sleep,
look in the mirror and say
“please god, you can take away all my friends and family,
make me into a moron,
send me to hell when i die, just please,
make me as beautiful as tori spelling.”
if you don’t want to look like tori spelling then too bad for you
because it doesn’t work any other way.
when you wake up you will be pretty.

Part 3.

your body is a whole entire beautiful magical universe
of its own, exactly right and perfect.
i know that this is not what you have been taught, but it is The Truth.
how could anything so incredible ever be denigrated,
scoffed at, invaded, discounted, spat on, violated, ridiculed?
your body is magic.

what you are thinking now is:
why was i told to look at charts, diagrams, scales
and teen magazines to tell me what is wrong with me?
why wasn’t i told to trust myself?
why did they make me feel like a horrifying ugly
pathetic puking loathsome monster,
if the truth is that i am magic?

as woman, you must learn to identify as an object.
you must learn to be objectified, made ugly and disgusting,
but not in a way that is powerful or frightening to them—
you will be made ugly in a putrid, rotting way.
your soul is the first to rot.
then your heart, then your mind, then your flesh…
whatever is left is the magical part that will live forever.
this is the part of you that is eternal.
your silicone implants.
matisse

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
I've wanted to post this for days now.

I didn't grow up in the USA and I'm not offended by nudity.
Maybe I missed the offending photos, I wasn't breathlessly reloading the thread every 25 seconds and I missed the t*r stuff at the end
The boobgate makes me profoundly depressed.

Depressed because images of women in modern north american society are so distorted that most people don't know what real tits look like anymore. Any photo that doesn't have at least a C cup is assumed to be coming from a prepubescent girl. Now that is really creepy.

Be that as it may, it also makes me depressed because although there is clearly diversity of opinion from both men and women about how they found the images, the deletion of the thread has unleashed the most amazing torrent of misogynist bullsh#t. Any women who dares to disagree with you guys is vilified and heaped with derogatory adjectives.

You crusty old farts should stop. your. fvcking. whinging. long. enough. to. take. a. good. hard. look. in. the. fvcking. mirror. and. ask. yourself. why. the. women. don't. want. to. play. with. you. anymore.

Your behavior now is way more offensive than photos could ever be.


Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
Fair Alert: I intend to begin posting more images I find online to balance out the boob ones in these threads.

Yup. That whole "Boobs" thread was a one-sided affair that was doomed from the start. And Terrie's not the only one to think that some balance is required. I was thinking of starting a "Dicks" thread as a sort of counterweight to the boobs thread (which was started by a woman). This would outrage some of the men, probably lead to argument, threats, thread-nukings, bannings, and possibly even some snickering.

But then, in a moment of enlightenment, I realized I didn't have to do that. That the _real_ solution had already been provided for us. A thread featuring photos guaranteed to be both sexy as hell, and yet completely gender-neutral. You can check out the thread here, or just scroll down (after checking to make sure that your boss is not in the room)...






Locker-style scroll-down in progress...













Keep going....
















There. Now you can all be equally outraged.
There. Now you can all be equally outraged.


Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
You crusty old farts should stop. your. fvcking. whinging. long. enough. to. take. a. good. hard. look. in. the. fvcking. mirror. and. ask. yourself. why. the women. don't. want. to. play. with. you. anymore.

Mirror de Carnival.

DMT
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
Any women who dares to disagree with you guys is vilified and heaped with derogatory adjectives.

I'm not getting this either. What's wrong with people? Is it because it's winter and they can't climb? Angry, sexually frustrated men who don't know ho to find porn unless it's served up on their lap? If you want to look at this stuff, it's not hard to find.

How could anyone seriously believe that it was an appropriate thread on supertopo? Everytime I logged on and saw the thread was still active, I was surprised that it still hadn't been deleted yet.

I also don't understand why t*r was deleted. There may have been some history there, because I don't see why she would be deleted for nuking a thread like that.

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
Actually, there is some history there. The act got old, so they shot her down. That's how it goes...
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:37pm PT


Corrrect me if I am mistaken (Sh!t I am totally sucked into this crap now... LOL!!! or fuking BORED or both...)...

But didn't she "Nuke" more than one thread???...

I recall there being at least, two...

Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
Nukes, random deletions & repostings, vast edits, etc. I expect it got tiresome...
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Jan 24, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
Nukes, random deletions & repostings, vast edits, etc. I expect it got tiresome...

Somehow t*r never bothered me. I don't see how deleting stuff is offensive. This forum would probably be a better place if more of (including me) deleted more stuff that we thought better of.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
The simple questions you should always ask yourself before hitting the 'post this reply' button are whether the post positively contributes to the debate/subject, and whether you'd say it to the faces of those participating. If you can't say "yes" to both questions, don't post at all.

That's why I hang my full name out there on most all sites I would post on.
It makes you think before you put it out there. Posters who are way hung up on anonymity and like to just let 'er rip on the forums have no real backfire for anything they say. Just a dopey observation..

Caylor
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
Agreed Hank. I generally attach little-to-zero weight to posts by people who choose to remain utterly nameless and faceless. They are just random strangers who I may as well be overhearing while I take a crap in a public lavatory.
matisse

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
some of us just don't want to have our climbing life mixed up with work. Personally I don't post anything that I don't want my name attached to, I just don't want it accessible via google to some random medical school applicant. it is really that simple.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
As usual, Anders, you hit the posting etiquette nail on the head. When I read some posts, I think that we actually post with less thought than we speak.

I must admit, though, I still can't get past the title of this thread. How could anything in a climbing forum be a serious matter?

John
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
Oh Matisse, I know. Point is I know who you are, we have mutual freinds. I was referring to those REAL mysto types about who I know absolutely nothing, never post photos, you can't even tell where they climb.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
There's no doubt that some people - usually 'adolescent' males - indulge in behaviour on SuperTopo which they would never dare to in person around a campfire. Or, if they did, they'd immediately suffer the consequences. It gets tiresome, and seems to be increasing.

No wander I have no friends ;)

Can we just stop this embarrassing discussion? The Boob thread was a JOKE. I was surprised it ran that long.
How come some people get offended so easily? Don’t be so SERIOUS about yourselves!



STFUAGC!!!
matisse

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
Phew.
I was about to be wounded because I <3 the american legend.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
I was about to be wounded because I <3 the american legend.

But you ARE, in France, right ;)

Work on your anger. Not healthy!
matisse

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
^^^^. Not particularly angry. See if I speak out I am an angry woman.
if no one (i.e. women) called men on their sh#t they would just be full of it all the time.
John M

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
I was about to be wounded because I <3 the american legend.

As his pseudo imaginary press agent, I can assure you that the american legend loves you to.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
You crusty old farts should stop. your. fvcking. whinging. long. enough. to. take. a. good. hard. look. in. the. fvcking. mirror. and. ask. yourself. why. the. women. don't. want. to. play. with. you. anymore.

ouch. even I wouldn't have said that. 8]
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO

Jan 24, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
Oh Matisse, I know. Point is I know who you are, we have mutual freinds. I was referring to those REAL mysto types about who I know absolutely nothing, never post photos, you can't even tell where they climb.

That is EXACTLY what I meant, and to nobody specific. Just generally.

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas

Jan 24, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Pick up a surf, skate, snowboard, motorcycle mag and see the difference. There's more tits and ass in one surf mag than all issues of climbing combined.

warbler gets the best quote from a thread award.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
Yes, Anders' etiquette lesson is perfect, theoretically. Unfortunately that's not how it goes on in real or virtual life. Everyone standing mouths off or douchebags it up on occasion.

Regret at saying or typing something stupid, or regret that being right wasn't worth hurting someone, Is a refreshing slap of humility.
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
It's not really THAT serious.
Seriously!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
Matisse, we are full of it most of the time. It's for that reason the good counsel of women is appreciated.

froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon

Jan 24, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
You crusty old farts should stop. your. fvcking. whinging. long. enough. to. take. a. good. hard. look. in. the. fvcking. mirror. and. ask. yourself. why. the. women. don't. want. to. play. with. you. anymore.

Misandry, clear misandry!

;-)
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
Phew.
I was about to be wounded because I <3 the american legend.

Why is it I sense I am being mocked here.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 24, 2013 - 04:01pm PT


<<< currently reaching for a piece of HOLSUM WHITE BREAD...
matisse

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
^^^^ not being mocked at all.
you have your fans
:)
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started

Jan 24, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
not being mocked at all.
you have your fans

No kidding. And do you know who is his biggest fan? check this out...

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6073477
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland

Jan 24, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
Ghost, you made my day!

LOL!
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
and what's with this "G-d" stuff? and in the same paragraph as "sex". doesn't win you any brownie points. god could well be pissed at you for leaving the vowel out. the hebrews did that too, and lookit what happened to them--given one of the worst patches of territory in the mideast and told it was "the promised land", kicked the heck outa egypt, which really had the choice real estate, and they didn't even get a desert full of oil, the bonus for faith in allah. and whatever happened to yahweh and elohim? could it be that god has an identity crisis? right around that corner, i'll bet you find a process theologian.


More for Tony ...


The Hebrew's, The Jews, Israel, The Chosen People of G-d were chosen to bring the word of G-d to the World, and to bring The Messiah to the World, and thereby bless the whole World. They have been carrying the water for G-d for thousands of years. They have responsibilities that no other people on Earth have. Out of respect they don't say the personal name of G-d, or write it out, but only use the 4 Hebrew letters, or use the English pronunciation.

The Tetragrammatron:

"As Jews are forbidden to say or write the Tetragrammaton in full, when reading the Torah they use the term Adonai.[5] Christians do not have any prohibitions on vocalizing the Tetragrammaton; in most Christian translations of the Bible, "LORD" is used in place of the Tetragrammaton after the Hebrew Adonai, and is written with small capitals (or in all caps) to distinguish it from other words translated "Lord"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton


For teaching purposes only ...

The letters YHVH, "Yod-Hey-Vod-Hey."

In Hebrew it would be written and read right to left, but of course using the Hebrew letters:

Hey-Vod-Hey-Yod <--- HVHY <



Why?

Out of respect for G-d. Also his commandments tell us not to take his name in vain. The Jews and Judaism are brilliant. Perhaps now you know why we type or right G-d, so as not to take his name in vain. Respect.

G-d has many, many names. But we are not to use his personal name out or respect. Like Judaic Jews, like Messianic Judaic Jews, Christians would be very wise to do the same.



There is something very special about The Promised Land. Not sure you'd understand. It's not about material wealth. Talk to a Messianic Judaic Rabbi. They'll let you know.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
Also his commandments

His? God is a guy? The creator of the Universe is an anthropomorphized human-type male, you know, with a penis and everything? Wow! Given the millions and millions of intelligent species that no doubt exist in a universe with 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 galaxies, each galaxy with 10,000,000,000,000 stars, well golly, aren't we male humans special! w00t w00t!

Still waiting for you to get back to me on Leviticus, Klimmer. Me and my brothers have this pile of big rocks gathered and we're ready to stone my father to death, but we wanted you to green light us first.

Thanks!
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
Hey Klimmer, the Bartlett character poses some interesting questions in this clip that have been gnawing at me for decades. Could you get back to me and clue me in? Thanks!


Bvb,

I watched it. So much wrong there it's stupefying. Where to begin? The ignorance is over whelming.


The Torah, The Tenach, The Old Covenant, The Old Testament was given to separate and instruct a people of Adonai, Israel, The Jews. G-d wanted a special people who lived by a higher standard and to be unlike the World and to be absolutely separate from the World. It was harsh, but it was just.

Judaic Jews, Messianic Judaic Jews are responsible for 613 Commandments. No one is ever going to fulfill them all perfectly, except the one who did, Yeshua HaMashiach. Judaic and Messianic Judaic Jews are responsible to keep them, but where we fail, Yeshua HaMashaich for Messianic Judaic Jews makes up the difference.

Also there is a New Covenant and it was promised to come in the Old Covenant. It's here now. All believers under the saving sacrificial blood of the Lamb of G-d, Yeshua HaMashaich have the blood of Jesus covering and forgiving their sin.

We are no longer under the curse of The Law, the punishment of The Law. We are guilty and deserve death, but the Angel of Death passes over those who believe in Yeshua and have the blood of the Lamb of G-d covering their sins. We are forgiven, as we likewise forgive others. No stone throwing now required. It's about forgiveness. We won't suffer the second death. Just as the Angel of Death passed over the homes in Egypt that had the blood of the sacrificial lamb covering the door lentil saving their first born son from death (major foreshadow of better things to come). You can't earn it, buy it, it's a gift of G-d. You just have to ask him for it.

By the way, Gentile believers are responsible for and are to keep the Noahic Laws, and The Law of Moses, The 10 Commandments. They are not responsible for all 613 Commandments. That is only meant for The Jews, G-d's Chosen.

Like I told Tony, go and talk with a Messianic Judaic Rabbi and get learned, if you truly want to know and are not just pretending. I'm guessing you're just being sarcastic and you really don't want to know.

bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
Fascinating deconstruction, Klimmer. Did L. Ron Hubbard help with that, or did your companions from the Moon crash site write it for you? BTW, it made no sense whatsoever in the context of my question. But my mom is a biblical scholar, you know, Seminary and all that? She's sitting about ten feet from me right now so I'll ask her to interpret it for me.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
Is your mother a Messianic Judaic Rabbi?

I've had to relearn much regarding my faith.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
No, but I have several in-laws who are, and I was married by a Rabbi in a traditional fashion under a Chuppah. Still got the Yarmulke to prove it.

Just sayin', you big old incoherent Daube wannabe you.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
Bvb,

Good to hear. So talk to your Messianic Judaic in-laws. As you know most Judaic Jews haven't accepted Yeshua HaMashiach as The Messiah.

They will in time. G-d says he's going to save all of Israel and he will remove the partial covering from they're eyes to do so.

:-))
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
Klimmer,
You are quite self satisfied. All the Jews I know have stepped beyond dogma and just lend a hand communally through providing food, offering social services and not being a douchebag in service of the unknown.

You should try it some time, it's like being something you aspire to...
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
We are guilty and deserve Death?!?!
I don't recall ever asking to exist. Hence, Not guilty.
It's not my fault.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
Skully what are you thinking ?

You deserve to die because you don't tow the line.

The line has been set and described by those who don't have to go to school. They just have to seem intelligent by being uninformed through ignorance of other people. Academic rigour is for those smarty pants book learnin' smarty pants types.

God help the true believer types who feel funny in the face of logic. They obviously weren't truly believing or hitched up with the wrong horse.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
Klimer,
You are quite self satisfied. All the Jews I know have stepped beyond dogma and just lend a hand communally through providing food, offering social services and not being a douchebag in service of the unknown.

You should try it some time, it's like being something you aspire to...


"You are quite self satisfied."

Hardly. Not even. I've got a tonne ahead to learn, changes to make, and things to do. Coming into Messianic Judaism is all very new to me, but I'm learning fast. I've been a believer since the 70s. Much is being clarified for me in my faith and my walk with Adonai.

Yes, its called doing Mitzvah, which is all good and necessary. However, you can't work your way to heaven on good deeds and good works alone. No one is worthy enough.

Mitzvah without faith is dead. Those who do so are trying to work their way to Heaven. Can't be done. Yes, good works must flow out of faith and a love for G-d. But if you do mitzvah and don't have faith in G-d, in Yeshua HaMashiach, it gets you no where. Faith in Yeshua and good works from the well of faith and love for him are what's pleasing to G-d.

Be careful, I'm not saying good works aren't wonderful. They are. It's what the world needs more of. But it won't get you into Heaven by its-self. Faith in Yeshua HaMashiach's saving grace through his redemptive blood covering our sins, plus good works as a manifest of your faith gets you before G-d.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
Redeeming blood equals triumphant faith in death of something...

You have not said anything about being humble through service on this earth personally.

You have only stomped around, talking about how you know how it ends for those people who do the right thing instead of the righteous thing.

Party on, Klimmer !
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA

Jan 24, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
klimmer, here's why i think you're on the wrong track. no decent god would be a divisive god. your god plays favorites, chooses its minions, turns its back on the rest of its creation. it also pussies around with erroneous "revelations" about the universe and our place in it. it also does not create a decent, wholesome culture. a good god would be smart enough to do that. nothing follows this god around except the compulsion to believe things which probably aren't very important, and a playing of favorites--and, i daresay, a taste for flattery--which strike me as being flat-out without class. and many moral wrongs are done in its name. i think you've been suckered, bro.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:09pm PT
You have not said anything about being humble through service on this earth personally.


Jim,

You don't know me. To say what I do personally in terms of good works, mitzvah, would be tooting my own horn and that wouldn't be humble. I won't tell you. It speaks for itself in silence.

Why do you seek the accolades of men? Why not do it because it is the right thing to do, and that it pleases G-d?


Matthew 6:3 (KJV)
"But when thou doest alms, let not thy
left hand know what thy right hand doeth:"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_6:3



Tony,

Where did all your faith go? What happened? You were raised a Catholic. Why do you turn your back on it all? Wasn't there something worth keeping?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
Sounds good...

Except you have chosen to post condemnation and grace in proscribed measure to those you feel deserve it.

If you want to be some one who just does it for the good of all, why not shut up entirely and let nascent common sense rule ?

Oh yeah,excuse me, that darned evangelist stuff knows no comfort.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:18pm PT
Forgive me for breaking in …I’m impressed by some of the things you’re posting, Klimmer. I thought you were a salvation by faith alone kind of gentleman... apologies for not paying attention.

The Bible is pretty clear that there needs be a balanced relationship between our faith and its expression in good works.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
Jim,

G-d, Yeshua HaMashaich tells believers to go and tell the World "The Good News." It's not about condemnation. It's about forgiveness and life. Yet you say, "shut up."

Who should I listen to?

I think you know the answer.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
The boobs thread has morphed into The Trial.


God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe says, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
God say, "No." Abe say, "What ?"
God say, "You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin' you better run"


Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
The Bible is pretty clear that there needs be a balanced relationship between our faith and its expression in good works.

Jennie,

Yes it does.

;-))
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
you know, when you scroll through this crap randomly, it's really entertaining.


it's like Fellini-Topo.


thank you Chris Mac, thank you.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
In other words, just shut up and act responsibly, like everyone else who does good things but doesn't blow Gabriel's horn for him.

SHOCK ! ! ! some are athiest and nice towards others at the same time. I'm sure you will make that out to being something they didn't think they were...

Self satisfied as#@&%e !


Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
In other words, just shut up and act responsibly, like everyone else who does good things but doesn't blow Gabriel's horn for him.

SHOCK ! ! ! some are athiest and nice towards others at the same time. I'm sure you will make that out to being something they didn't think they were...

Self satisfied as#@&%e !


We are told by G-d to tell others the Good News. No way around that. It's what believers do. And we were told, the World will hate the message you tell them, because they hated me (Yeshua HaMashiach) first.

There are many wonderful people and atheists who don't believe. They do wonderful works and they don't let others know, and they are very humble in their manners. Awesome.

Should I not tell these wonderful people that the road is washed out ahead and that they will drive off the cliff and perish if they don't get the message to stop and turn around? What kind of a person or child of Adonai would I be if I didn't say something to help them?

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
Blah - f*#king blah as said by the profit Blah.

Your take on it all is anchored in the belief that you will wind up some where better than your personal laziness dictates. What a crime in the face of reality.

But don't let the great whatever equal logic, that would be be like accepting reason.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
I am waiting for this Thread
to turn into a serious Political Thread.

Edit
WBraun

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
better than your personal laziness dictates

How do you know he's lazy?

You don't know.

Why do you project your runaway mind onto others?
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
Blame Tony.

He said this thread is all about "a serious matter."

It sure is.



Lol.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:11pm PT


Credit: bvb


zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
Abridged version:

Someone must have been telling lies about Josef K., he knew he had done nothing wrong but, one morning, he was arrested.
...
the hands of one of the gentleman were laid on K.'s throat, while the other pushed the knife deep into his heart and twisted it there, twice. As his eyesight failed, K. saw the two gentlemen cheek by cheek, close in front of his face, watching the result. "Like a dog!" he said, it was as if the shame of it should outlive him.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
I don't know Werner...

I do know this certain individual likes to spurt forward in comforting tones of wash that may come up hard against Thought - action = Zero.

Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
Should I not tell these wonderful people that the road is washed out ahead and that they will drive off the cliff and perish if they don't get the message to stop and turn around?

Well, that's an interesting question. Here's one way to think about it:

Sometime around twenty years ago a bridge on the highway between Vancouver and Squamish washed out in an intense rainstorm. It was pitch black, raining like the end of the world, and several cars drove right into the chasm and were carried down to the sea. Then one guy somehow saw the washout in time to stop. He parked his vehicle across the road, to let others know that the were in danger of driving off the cliff and perishing. He saved some lives. But, of course, some drivers who saw his pickup truck sideways in the road in front of them just swerved around it and... and perished.

So, a parable of sorts. Klimmer gets in our way to warn us of the doom ahead, thereby saving those who will listen from damnation.

But there's another side of this to be considered. What of the man who cries "Fire" in the crowded theater? What of the lunatic who blocks our path screaming of monsters that will devour us if we don't turn around?

What would you -- you, Glenn Klimmer -- say to a man who blocked your path into the school you teach at, screaming that there were dinosaurs inside who would rend you limb from limb if you did not acknowledge the supremacy of the Lizard Men from Alpha Centauri?

That man, the tormented soul who is blocking your path, and screaming of the Lizard People, or just screaming unintelligible obscenities, is just as sincere in his beliefs as you are, and yet you would have no problem calling him insane, right?

Do you understand what most of us see when you tell us we are damned if we don't acknowledge the supremacy of your god?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
Reason is a hard thing to face to the spiritual.

There's nothing wrong in couching ideals in spirituality. There is something wrong with not making sense accordingly.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
get serious right here, if you have the stamina

Jason Richards (familysurvivalcourse.com)

http://clickserv.sitescout.com/clk/da1cc179bbe75db0/3b63459c3ad92ce7/1-14539/0/www.vemba.com%2Fi%2F//cidentMTI1MTREMDhBMDFFQkRCNTJEMkY3NEE4NEY0NTFGMzIvLy8v
dirtbag

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
Indeed...this is very, very serious sheet.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
Oh f*#k,

Just be nice if you can afford it and have no expectation for reward going forward.

Stupid Americans...
Captain...or Skully

climber

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
It's not that serious, man. Seriously.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
Sure lots of name calling and bullying, and it's not coming from me.

Is it possible that you guys can ever debate or argue nicely? Ever?

In a official debate format you guys lose just by the shear amount of bullying you do.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
Geeze... I go on vacation and look at this!

As you can see I have not been banned. Instead we were in Montana climbing ice, skiing, having the kid play in snow, you know... The stuff that this forum is suppose to be about.

Two... The Boob thread IS a joke. It is a distraction from the gun thread and yes I knew it would eventually get nuked because that is ST's nature. It's nothing to argue about, point fingers over, name call, etc.

Maybe we need to start a thread on Beer! No, no, NO! Dear lord I am not encouraging alcoholism or driving drunk, etc. Can a thread just be for fun, EVER?



locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 24, 2013 - 08:59pm PT


This thread went to religion...

Serious mistake!!!...

slayton

Trad climber
Here and There

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
No name calling from me but there can be no debate concerning faith, ZERO, between a true believer who thinks to the point of certainty that his is the one and only true path and those who don't share that faith.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
Then maybe I should start a thread on wine! Jesus knew about good wine.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
Presumption is a weak point of argument Klimmer.

Thinking expediently that there is only one path out of universal suffering makes you look simple concerning solutions to what matters.

Maybe a deeply held volition doesn't make the grade in reality.
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
"...there can be no debate concerning faith, ZERO, between a true believer who thinks to the point of certainty that his is the one and only true path and those who don't share that faith."

Worth repeating.

One serious reason we have so many problems in the world today.

Also; "...Do you understand what most of us see when you tell us we are damned if we don't acknowledge the supremacy of your god?"

I thought this was a reasonable question, and am curious what Klimmer's answer would be.

cheers
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:22pm PT


This is getting pretty serious...



Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
It is faith based on physical empirical evidence. And not just a little bit, but a great overwhelming mass of physical evidence.

It's not a blind faith.

What will you all say when it comes to pass just as Yeshua foretold it all would?








Great men (and women) believe in G-d and the Bible, and know Jesus Christ, Yeshua HaMashiach:


Copernicus

Tycho Brahe

Johannes Kepler

Galileo



Newton







George Washington







Even Einstein to a large degree . . .






Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
Ah, never mind.
I guess a reasonable answer to a reasonable question was too much to expect (see the first part of my post).

"What will you all say when it comes to pass just as Yeshua foretold it all would?"

Probably the same thing you'd say if it doesn't come to pass. But that's just a wild guess.

cheers

toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
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a serious matter...


vvv
vv
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http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n271/douggells/haunted-1.jpg


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Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Well, that answered a simple but naturally hard question Klimmer.

I should look for academic regimen by enrolling in the Bob Jones University of discredited bullsh#t. There can be nothing more defiantly American in the face of truth that one could ever pine for.

Joking aside, I have to ask, What the f*#k ?

There is a book, the only BOOK that can be waved in the face of idiots. Sounds good. Except a lot of people need reality to have an acid test as it applies to reality VS BULLSH#T .

I'm still hopeful that water can be turned to Wine. Every wedding I've been to had a religiously squelching cash bar. Lead me to salvation...
zeta

Trad climber
Portland, OR

Jan 24, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
I've been away from ST for a long while and once I saw this thread, I remembered why I stopped reading this forum. As was so eloquently expressed below:

And what is making my blood boil is the really wretched remarks that those who felt the thread was out of place here must be prudes or ugly jealous women. It REALLY pisses me off that these take-down intimidation remarks are almost exclusively aimed at women DESPITE THE FACT that women have been a very minority voice in ths entire discussion. MISOGYNY. And that, in my opinion, is what is at the heart of quite a few of the images posted in the Boobs thread, despite how loudly some proclaim they love women and celebrate the female body.

Be that as it may, it also makes me depressed because although there is clearly diversity of opinion from both men and women about how they found the images, the deletion of the thread has unleashed the most amazing torrent of misogynist bullsh#t. Any women who dares to disagree with you guys is vilified and heaped with derogatory adjectives.

You crusty old farts should stop. your. fvcking. whinging. long. enough. to. take. a. good. hard. look. in. the. fvcking. mirror. and. ask. yourself. why. the. women. don't. want. to. play. with. you. anymore.

I'm no prude, I'm a real climber, and while I don't get bent out of shape about nudity (or pictures of boobs), it's the unbelievable onslaught of shitty comments that come up on this forum about women that has driven this woman climber away from Supertopo.
toadgas

Social climber
los angeles

Jan 24, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
it's the unbelievable onslaught of shitty comments that come up on this forum about women


well, maybe this time you won't "forget" why you left this Forum because now all the drunken old men are drooling at tittay pics of 12-year-old girls while chokin their lizards too
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
Zeta,

It isn't as bad as you make it out to be. The real rub has nothing to do with gender.

It has everything to do with bias. Giving credence to the headstrong musings of a proven neophyte can lead to anything goes as long as the aggrieved neo delivers ascent to legislation.

I think all here would rather not have to face the self imposed,unprepared arbiter.

The Empress has no Clothes as it's said, sort of...

locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...

Jan 24, 2013 - 10:49pm PT



...


Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!

Jan 24, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
Careful, Jim.

my Mother and all her brothers,
graduated from Bob Jones University.
:)

She was in the same graduating class as Billy Graham.
All my Uncles on her side were Ministers.

Edit
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
Summary so far:


Boys will be boys

And the womenfolk don't always like it.

Sometimes they overreact and get all emotional.

And some guys are quick to comfort them.

Others think it's funny


What else is new?






Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
I don't know how that fits in Cosmic, because Billy was exceptionally to the point and for us scoffers, kinda cool for his uncompromising state of mind.

Look up Bernice Gerard who led an evangelistic path to politics by way of condemning the nude beach at the shores of Point Grey in Vancouver.

Love or hate her, she was the real thing when it came to respecting a point of view.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
ken m says t*r ought to have complained to chrismac first, or perhaps have gone to the police. i have a little scientific experiment for him. google "teen porn", and then dial 9-1-1.

Tony, I appreciate what you are trying to say.

I just want to clarify that what I said was that an appropriate action was to complain to CM as a first step (which I don't know happened or not-but speaking generically). She chose the nuke route, but by my reading of the evidence of what occurred, she did not choose to complain to the ISP, nor call the police either of which she could have done, but did not.....and both of which most of us would have considered over the top.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
And boys, posting cheesecake photos is not in any way related to climbing, either. So if you are so profound in your purity of maintaining climbing only, you have no basis to support non-climbing photo work, either.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
So Ken M,

If I post a picture of a former GF, topless while climbing,should I call a lawyer or a massage therapist ?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
Geeze... I go on vacation and look at this!

As you can see I have not been banned. Instead we were in Montana climbing ice, skiing, having the kid play in snow, you know... The stuff that this forum is suppose to be about.

Two... The Boob thread IS a joke. It is a distraction from the gun thread and yes I knew it would eventually get nuked because that is ST's nature. It's nothing to argue about, point fingers over, name call, etc.

Maybe we need to start a thread on Beer! No, no, NO! Dear lord I am not encouraging alcoholism or driving drunk, etc. Can a thread just be for fun, EVER?

Anastasia, I think your post trivializes what happened. At least two women were highly offended enough to quit, and at least several others were also highly offended and the outcome is not yet clear.

I'm not really aware of a thread that has had that effect.

I don't think that anyone questions your intent, but as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

"The community" seems to be upset that members quit because they have been insulted and disrespected, and reduced to their sexual utility.

The import of your thread seemed to be that the value of women in a climbing community is as decoration and convenient sex objects.

I wonder if you'd find offense if a thread was posted whose import was blacks are valued in climbing as n*ggers....even if meant as over-the-top funny. Ha ha? I think you wouldn't.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Jan 24, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
If I post a picture of a former GF, topless while climbing,should I call a lawyer or a massage therapist ?

I'm not sure what scum who do that should do. Personally, I view it as a sexual assault. I'd wonder why any woman would every trust someone who did that for anything, ever.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:38am PT
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^^^

Big time, OFF PUTTING!!!...

Between the size of the pad, the super small bike, and your newly discovered HUGE fuking head...

that is an ODD shot...

The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jan 29, 2013 - 02:39am PT
Stick a fork in it.
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