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beevee

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 22, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
I appreciate what you have done for those of us who come to SuperTopo as a climbing site. I also appreciate your taking action as many of us have wanted to, but chose to ignore rather than get involved. It takes courage to be willing to involve yourself. Thank you.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Pollock Pines, California
Jan 22, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
thank you norwegian
for wearing the dirtiest underwear
on this site.
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Jan 22, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
^^^whoohooo!!!
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
Thanks are probably in order for Ihateplastic as well. Without his repeatedly posting underage shots (or photos of girls who appeared underage) that thread would probably still be kicking. It was a self-nuke type of thing, and really f*#king creepy.

Norwegian

Trad climber
Pollock Pines, California
Jan 22, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
Thank you t*r. Love you, because you're you. You've never kowtowed to convention, even when the painfully conventional (^^^ you know who you are), challenge you to tow their line.

Don't ever change t*r!

DMT

that's horrible advice, milktoast.

change is substance;
only slightly satisfying our reckless abandon
upon spiritual gluttony.
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
Bieber dethrones Gaga on Twitter.


Fukkin intense.
Leggs

Sport climber
Home away from Home
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
Thank you t*r. Love you, because you're you. You've never kowtowed to convention, even when the painfully conventional (^^^ you know who you are), challenge you to tow their line.

Don't ever change t*r!

DMT

+1

~peace
Da_Dweeb

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
Ditto.

And thank you for sparking the debate on getting these forums cleaned up. It's a long overdue discussion.
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
Thank you.
rwedgee

Ice climber
canyon country,CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
Screw that fat ass bitch
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
I hope t*r will be let back into the fray soon. It would be a BIG shame for the Supertopo community to know a woman was silenced over this.
F'ueco

Boulder climber
Sunnyvale, CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
I'm not sure what's been going on here lately, as I've been "out" lately. Vy cahn't vee chust climb?

But t*r's a good person, and it would suck to see her not active here.
Leggs

Sport climber
Home away from Home
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
I hope t*r will be let back into the fray soon. It would be a BIG shame for the Supertopo community to know a woman was silenced over this.


Exactly. ^^ +1
More Air

Trad climber
S.L.C.
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
t*r...+1
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
Dweeb;
I was looking at all the photos you have posted.
Are you sure you are on the right site?

There are Plenty of GOOD equestrian

sites online.

;-)
Da_Dweeb

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:44pm PT
A valid point, Cosmic.

I have come to enjoy the site and its personalities. Indeed, as a result of contact with climbers and the climbing culture here, I've started to try some gym and artificial wall climbing, and I like the idea of doing some bouldering once the grad school/work combo eases up some. It's not something I would have even considered before encountering this place not too long ago.

As for the ponies, you may also notice that they stay within the threads that are already train wrecks.

There are certain kinds of ugliness I can't abide, though. Posting naked pictures of underage girls is one of them. It is sexual exploitation of a child, and there's simply no defending that.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
hey there say, all....

not exactly sure what has been happening, but i have seen quite a few new odd titles, so i knew something was up...

just with dial up, i am not as able as i used to be, to see all the threads, so pick a few and get off before my body aches, fighting with all this typeing and waiting for loading-pics, etc...

seems dial up worked better, years back, :(


well, i like what i just saw here from mighthiker...
it helps me get an idea, as to all the thread titles, here too:

Jan 22, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
I'm glad that t*r spoke out, even if a bit intemperately. CMac surely has his own standards, but the thread and many posts to it simply didn't belong here. I only regret that it was allowed to go as long as it did, which perhaps just proves that Chris has a real life.

For those of you (middle aged males) squawking about censorship, 'art' and such, ask yourself whether you'd be comfortable seeing similar photos of women in your family, or female friends, posted here.

Isn't the forum meant to be inclusive of all climbers?

Hopefully t*r can be restored soon. She may not have climbed El Cap solo, with a blindfold on, during an icestorm, but she does contribute


i am sure now, too, after seeing the main thread that men-folks gravitate too, GONE , that a major cross-discussion has taken place between threads over THAT thread... :O

imagining all the opinions and all the types of folks here... i can at least add this:


it is nice to know that the place here, versitile as it is, can feel
clean and fresh as to sharing thoughts and feelings as to what we'd do at a campfire, and NOT:
just sharing pictures of well, things that are
to be more 'private' out of respect to others...
(though it is understandable why you men-folks enjoy that)

but:
many times, those pictures that men-folks post, seems to go overboard into
'flaunting' the power to do so.... it turns out wrong...


however, avoiding this, and instead keeping open fresh avenues of talking, sharing, etc, we can learn more about each other and not learn about 'those private type' pictures and things, that are best kept for one's 'personal time in their home'...


i enjoy learning other aspects of you all climbers...
you all have so VERY MUCH!!else to offer, as to experience and as to other thoughts, and life-issues, and things that you have been through, and CONQUERED! you are a vast resevoir of HELP to us all--please, please, STILL BE THIS, and you will grow, even more, as to quality :) ... (JUST added a slight edit here, as i posted so fast)

so:
i reckon that whatever happened here with t*r will be good to help us all
share on so many more levels...

(i know you guys will still find time for your 'private pictures' at home, so let's hear some more new stuff from you all, that can make good helps and encourage others, no matter what kind of CLIMB in life, or, climb at the crags, etc ...

we are worth MORE as friends, as we all learn more, in other ways)...


LAST NOTE:


say, there was some very uh, odd adds showing up around the supertopo, and i kind of wonder if it was connected to some of the threas? i'd never seen those show up here before and they seemed not to be good climbing ads, :O


not sure what thread i hit, but it had some on the side banner, think it was???


well, folks, carry on... onward and upward, you guys have so much more to offer... sure hope this all works out for good..

not sure what t*r actually did, but i sure hope you all can see her as
part of this quilt... we really DO need each other...
god bless...

edit:
ooops, if she 'over did it' in some way, please forgive--i've been reading the 'blown up thread stuff' now... thought the 'nuke' was just deleting stuff...

hope this gets resolved, and settled down, soon, for the best of all,
as well...
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
Very torn here. I enjoy T*R a great deal and want her back.
I also think the Boobs thread started out in a reasonably sophomoric way, grew creepy and lost its initial purpose of diversion from horrible events and long cold winter days.
But I'm concerned about the cluster bombing of the thread. It falls into that "does the end justify the means?"debate. Does that now set the standard for how to get rid of an "Off topic" thread one doesn't like or agree with? For many the behavior seemed shrill, strident and bullish. None of us have been immune from acting that way at some point or events in our life. Others have felt the conduct was courageous and T*R is now the standard bearer of how to make your voice heard.
So I just don't know...was it courageous behavior or was it "I'll show you". (Just a rhetorical question, no need to respond)

Susan
John M

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
Thanks Susan.. you expressed something that I was thinking about.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
But I'm concerned about the cluster bombing of the thread. It falls into that "does the end justify the means?"debate. Does that now set the standard for how to get rid of an "Off topic" thread one doesn't like or agree with? For many the behavior seemed shrill, strident and bullish.

This important point seems to be lost in all the adoration of the little darling...

Worth repeating!
Gene

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
As Susan says above, the thread grew creepy. The photos of very young appearing girls was inappropriate no matter what their actual ages were. Alhough some can argue with merit that the entire thread was creepy and inappropraite, the images portraying children rather than adults is what ultimately killed an otherwise silly thread.

My $0.02.

g
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 22, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
pathetic
DanaB

climber
CT
Jan 22, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
ask yourself whether you'd be comfortable seeing similar photos of women in your family, or female friends, posted here.

Hi Anders, hope all is well.

I don't think that's a very robust objection or a good comparison.

I do think Anastasia's idea was a good one, it was pretty funny, and it clearly showed her common sense and warm humor. But the thread went on for too long - 2 or 3 posts would have been enough to make the point.

Cheers,

Dana Bartlett
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
For those of you (middle aged males) squawking about censorship, 'art' and such, ask yourself whether you'd be comfortable seeing similar photos of women in your family, or female friends, posted here.

My first reaction to the thread was that Anastasia just started a tasteful, satirical diversion. I didn't follow it closely after that, precisely because my feelings on pictures of bare-breasted women are those implied by Anders' words, above. I am, after all, an older brother of sisters, and a father of daughters, with predictably protective instincts resulting. Besides I already caught the limit when I married my wife.

Most climbers I know, though, live life in accord with my personal credo: "If it's worth doing at all it's worth doing to excess," so I guess the creepiness to which others refer was inevitable. Still, I'm glad to see the proliferation of redundant threads diminished, because I'm lazy, and don't want to keep hitting "previous."

All in all, I'd say this episode actually had less vitriol than our typical January hate-fests, but I think t*r was right in her viewpoint.

John
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy
Jan 22, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Thank You t*r for standing up to the rhetorical blah blah and getting to the most IMPORTANT point. Good Job.

and yes.. each one of those photos was of a real human being, actually someone's daughter, sister, mother or wife. Can't get past that.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 22, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
The photos of very young appearing girls was inappropriate no matter what their actual ages were.

Seemed like a no-brainer to me with the potential site liability for hosting child porn.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jan 22, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Thanks are probably in order for Ihateplastic as well. Without his repeatedly posting underage shots (or photos of girls who appeared underage) that thread would probably still be kicking. It was a self-nuke type of thing, and really f*#king creepy.

++++

I had mixed feeling about the thread... It started to bother me when young girls were put in the mix.....
yep, frigging creepy ....


thanks.. little sister...

SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Jan 22, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
Laying the responsibility for thread bombs at the feet of t*r is disingenuous.

Well DMT I was not attempting to be disingenuous, which to me usually means a rather nasty "gotcha". I don't know what Russ did or didn't do on another thread. As stated, I feel torn about this whole complex issue. As a young woman I was a strident anti war protester (actually very radical...yes SDS and all that)...that spent more than a few nights in the clink because of my conduct. (And I didn't make bombs or rob banks). I don't regret most of it, but some I look back and wonder if I could have accomplished more being less bombastic.
I truly don't know if the ears were so deaf at ST admin that it required the action that took place. There are lots of varied opinions on it ... Some feel very strongly, some not so.

Obama said it well yesterday....."name calling is not reasoned debate".

Susan
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 22, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
I saw a spate of threads obviously concerning some drama I missed. After as deep a probing of my innermost thoughts as I could manage in 5 seconds, I am happy to report that I do not care :). Please, carry on. If it's truly important I am sure I will feel an impending sense of doom.
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Jan 22, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
prudes.
John M

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
I don't know who started the thread bombs, but I do know that there was a big fight about them and people stopped using them. They were a problem at one time.

I do remember Russ had one of the biggest. That thing was massive. I was on dial up and my computer would freeze. LOL.. Its funny now, and was sometimes funny back then.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jan 22, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
hey there say, all... lots of interesting info showing up here... and nice shares, to hear from you all...

thanks for all the thoughts here...

oh my, as to young kids, or similar images :O

this sounds not only bad, and wrong morally, but it would label chris's
climbing site as trash, in the eyes of the law, and the eyes
of those that try to care about how young children are treated
in the world, :(

did not know this had gone so overboard, :O
thanks for sharing, and letting us know...


the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jan 22, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
Stupid americans, so uptight about boobs. I'd be proud of any pics of friends or family in that thread. In fact I thought the best pictures in that whole thread were the ones posted of a significant other climbing and in a hot tub. What a cool chick! I love women who are comfortable with their bodies and not burdened by the hang ups so many have.

Of course if there were underage pics that's creepy and shouldn't be tolerated.

It sounds like tr was posting a bunch of threads in protest? That's lame. How hard is it to not click on a thread you know will bother you?

Tr seems like a beautiful and smart woman, but the constant self righteous, victim mentality of hers isn't helping anyone, especially her.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 22, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
What if I would objectify my own body? Can I be on an island of like minded pervs that aren't weird about nudity?

;D
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 22, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
It was nice to see which ST members should be on neighborhood watch lists....
Da_Dweeb

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
oh my, as to young kids, or similar images :O

this sounds not only bad, and wrong morally, but it would label chris's
climbing site as trash, in the eyes of the law, and the eyes
of those that try to care about how young children are treated
in the world, :(

Aye.
Alexey

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
I'd be proud of any pics of friends or family in that thread
The Fet, are you OK?
check out this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhibitionism

Is it possible that it coming from climbing request " Watch me"?

And I am happy that my wife is happy that this boobs tread is gone
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:09pm PT
I didn't see all the pics in that thread but I'm sure some were silly, some tasteful, some were cheesy, some were creepy, etc. Anyone I know would have taken a fun or artful picture and I'm sure I'd be ok with it being posted as long as they were.

Too bad all the pics in that were not of women climbing topless. Three of my favorite things in the world.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
Sorry, can't join in the ball cupping. The whole PC thing is too much for me. Of course, if I was still a very young girl, I'd think differently too and empathize with...uhhh, T asterisk R ...I guess she's called, now asterisk2. She doesn't have a name I guess. Anyhow, she'll grow out of it - no worries.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
On a positive note I will be running ST forum side bar ads for my new business.
Burkha, Habit and Shroud r Us. Free Glock 9mm semis for the first 100 customers.
And I promise nary a boob in sight.
Credit: philo
Credit: philo


couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
See Philo, Ted wouldn't have crushed your dreams by making that thead disappear. He supports the first amendment.

Unlike some others....*2
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:25pm PT

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/22/ted-nugent-claims-his-buddies-are-willing-to-start-an-armed-revolt/

Ted Nugent claims his buddies are willing to start an armed revolt

By Stephen C. Webster
Tuesday, January 22, 2013 13:07 EST
Detroit-born southern rockabilly Ted Nugent isnt known for moderation, but from the sound of his latest comments, the re-election of President Barack Obama (D) has made him ever more extreme.

Speaking to fans during an NBC-sponsored gun show, Nugent said that Obama is attempting to re-implement the tyranny of King George that we escaped from in 1776, adding: If you want another Concord bridge, Ive got some buddies.

The comment was a reference to the Battle of Concord, in which a British soldier broke a standoff and fired upon assembled American militiamen, in what later became known as the shot heard around the world that helped launch the Revolutionary War.


He added that Obama hires, appoints and associates with communists, and that hes an evil, dangerous man who hates America and hates freedom. And we need to fix this as soon as possible.



YEA, Turd Nugget! Yo go gurl.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
Our posts switched spots...how did that occur? I read that Nug post you did Phil and posted mine and when I looked, they'd reversed.

Whoooohhhhh.

BTW, sold my Glock just today, so I don't need one. Good luck with the new site.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
Freeky Deeky


Are we being watched?
Or is it magic?
MisterE

Social climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
You all grow tiresome.

Try something like getting off the internet.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
MisterE, I have a kid home with the flu, I have a broken rib and a badly bruised kidney.
What should I be doing between medicine doses- lift weights?
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
I hope t*r will be let back into the fray soon. It would be a BIG shame for the Supertopo community to know a woman was silenced over this.


 Ok what the hell am I missing?

Was t*r given the boot?

What for?
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
Agreed Jingy - what the hell is going on here?

Can someone please post up a coherent summary of what happened, what she said and why she got the boot?

Not all of us were following the boobs thread believe it or not.
John M

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
TR nuked the boobs thread. She was deactivated and her post was taken down. Then she came back as TR2 with a neener neener you can't ban me thread and was gone in minutes. This started a number of threads in which a number of people said that they were uncomfortable with the boobs thread, including one by tan slacks with a film about this kind of thing. Ultimately the boobs thread was yanked. One main complaint was that some of the pictures showed women who looked under aged. Whether they were or not was not fully debated. Its was the sexification of the underage look which was the problem.

I think thats it in a nutshell.

of course with multiple side stories.. LOL..
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
^^ from what I can gather (was away skiing), she posted a couple hundred (?) links to a nuke image on the boobs thread. Probably RJ nuked her, as multiple people opening the page would severely degrade site performance.

Kids these days.....

edit: thanks John M - glad I missed the rest of it.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
Ho, the Drama!

I remember exactly where I was when the Loma Prieta earthquake hit. Like many here, we'll all remember where we were when we heard t*r got nuked...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jan 22, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
I happen to agree with her 100%, not that it matters.


I hated that damn thread. I followed it very closely, knowing something dangerous would soon happen. Now we have collateral damage. It is a sad day...
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
Thanks John & Norton.

I stayed away from all of those stupid boob threads so didn't realize the drama that was going on.



Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Jan 22, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
Isn't the forum meant to be inclusive of all climbers?

I don't like gun threads... I feel left out.

each one of those photos was of a real human being, actually someone's daughter, sister, mother or wife

And brothers, fathers, uncles and sons!

How hard is it to not click on a thread you know will bother you?

I do it all the time.

My next thread that I start will feature my really weird nuts. Hope "she" checks it out!
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Jan 22, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
I think everyone should remember that the likely cause was not her opinion regarding the Boobs thread. Her opinion is very valid. Protesting the thread by bombing it is not a reasonable response and I believe the correct action was taken by the moderator. That my 2 cents anyway.
John M

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
I think everyone should remember that the likely cause was not her opinion regarding the Boobs thread. Her opinion is very valid. Protesting the thread by bombing it is not a reasonable response and I believe the correct action was taken by the moderator. That my 2 cents anyway

I agree..
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy
Jan 22, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
;You could say her action was a reasonable response to an unreasonable situation.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 22, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
Of course, if I was still a very young girl, I'd think differently too and empathize with...uhhh, T asterisk R ...I guess she's called, now asterisk2. She doesn't have a name I guess. Anyhow, she'll grow out of it - no worries

You do realize you're referring to a woman in her 30's, eh?
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jan 22, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
SC's post strikes close to my own feeling about this incident.

If the way to make a valid point is by throwing a tantrum - then I can't help but feel that someone has some maturing left to do in their life.

My issue with t*r is her consistently childish reactions to ideas that offend her - I have seen this same hissy fit approach from her for YEARS now on this site. In the beginning, I wrote it off as the typical dramatic angst of an early teen, but she is getting too old to keep playing that role.

Time to grow up little missy.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jan 22, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
I could not be more proud of t*r, for the person that she is, that she stands by her convictions, and that her goal is to make society a better place.....one person at a time.

I am blessed to call her......friend.
beevee

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
Susan, I understand and appreciate your point, "does the end justify the means? ... Does [destroying an offensive site] now set the standard for how to get rid of an "Off topic" thread one doesn't like or agree with?" However, I think the *boobs* thread went beyond simply one that was not "liked" or "agreed with." It crossed the line, clearly, for way too long. In my opinion (yes, I realize and appreciate that opinions differ), the thread was distasteful from the outset and disintegrated very quickly to disgusting, and then to unacceptable. Where bounds are crossed, the ends do justify means that are reasonable given the circumstances. LuckyPink, your point is valid. That is what it means to be American. White, black, brown, gay, female ... from the inception of this country all have challenged strangleholds and laws that were outdated, unfair, arbitrary. The means of challenge were at times brutal, not always within the law, but hindsight grants that such means were justified given the circumstances. Here, the SuperTopo administrators chose to establish a rule that says "engage in smut or child porn, and you stay in," but "nuke and you're out." This is backwards, can't be respected, and needs to be revisited. Its time Chris and the ST administrators reconsider where the outer limits of this forum lie.
beevee

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
t*r may or may not be admirable in so many ways -- who is? She is admirable for what she stood for in this instance.
T H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Jan 22, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
norwegian's initial response to this OP (3 posts total) is a classic.
Da_Dweeb

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
Beevee-

In his defense, I believe that Chris was not aware of the CP in the thread at the time. He seemed to take action fairly quickly after emails were sent his way indicating that it was important that he review the thread for questionable content.

Much as I enjoy a good pony bombing myself, there's also something to be said for going directly to a site admin in situations that are this clear cut.
beevee

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
Da_Dweeb - point taken.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 22, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
My issue with t*r is her consistently childish reactions to ideas that offend her - I have seen this same hissy fit approach from her for YEARS now on this site. In the beginning, I wrote it off as the typical dramatic angst of an early teen, but she is getting too old to keep playing that role.

She was in her 20's then; she's in her 30's now.

The age-card defense is played out and ridiculous, it should have been retired eons ago.

The jig is up!
Da_Dweeb

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
Thanks Beevee. =)
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
If t*r deserves thanks it is mostly for reaffirming that regardless of topic or (in most cases) content, 'thread nuking' is as it should be not well tolerated.
Though I disagree with and am disappointed by her method I appreciate her position and sincerely wish she would have started a thread for it. I even politely asked her to do it.

I had and continue to have no problems with t*r, where others on the forum have and have given her what I saw as a mean spirited hard time. Many other posters have been subject to much the same treatment by segments of the audience that disagreed with them. It is a part of the campfire experience -warmth, light and an occasional scorching.

There are a slew of threads I don't open. Either because they do not interest me or would disturb me. It is no loss to me to not open a thread. It is no loss to me to open a thread. It is my choice. Some posters seem to post and in some cases appear out of no where simply to complain about a thread. Now that is a loss.

Clearly despite the perpetual complaints about it the bulk of users interest based on response volume lays in the off topic threads. Maybe because we climbers are also interested in an amazing spectrum of stuff. Clicks = coins for Chris. He is doing cool stuff like installing solar PV panels so more power to the man. I just don't think he will revamp the system in any significant way any time soon. Most of the moderating should be self moderating and clan feedback.
Just like the climbing community we are supposed to be.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
Meh.
beevee

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
Time to nuke this thread. :)
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
I know Anastasia, and I know why she started the thread. It was not to exploit women. Unfortunately, that is what happened. T*r was offended, and it appears many other men and women were too. Tuolumne rainbows' method may have been flawed, but she got her message across.
T H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
Cmac may have been alarmed about somebody abusing his bandwidth with multi large photo files, but I mean - that was hella weak of a supposed thread attack. The real thing has ultra gross ass pictures etc plastered all over the place by preferably forum accomplices, to really shock quickly all threads across the 'board.
oldskoolwiner

Sport climber
Bavaria, DE
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
Time to nuke this thread. :)

especially since "beevee" = LEB, the luser
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
To be clear the boob thread saw so much "action" because it was started shortly after the Newtown Gun slaughter and bumped every time another "oooh look how big my gun is" response on the bullet head threads occurred. It was a form of protest through distraction. So sorry it was degenerated and disturbing.
As a interesting reference do two forum searches.
One for the word boobs and one for the word guns.
If that is too much effort here are the results.
Boobs; 770 references.
Guns; 10,014 references.

Granted those numbers are after the boob thread was shot down but even that would only add another 1400 posts.

T H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
"beevee" = LEB, the luser
True or not, but first post posters (you) have zero cred.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
Don't feel bad Philo....687 more hits for tits; 217 for titties; 80 more of hooters; and 50 more for knockers. I could go on, but you get the picture.

Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
Oh and 1045 for bitches; 111 for pussies; 416 for whores...

females are not forgotten even with firearms around.

edit!!! How could I forget??? 128 for c#&%! (i.e., C. U. N. T.)

See? We are loved!!
MisterE

Social climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
MisterE, I have a kid home with the flu, I have a broken rib and a badly bruised kidney.
What should I be doing between medicine doses- lift weights?

Interesting that you responded, Philo. You're creativity in alternate entertainment really shined through on that post!
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jan 22, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
I miss t!r and enjoyed her posts.
beevee

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 22, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
I was being flippant, "oldskoolwiner." I stand by my original post: its an expression of my opinion, not redacted in any manner. There's no room for winners or losers in an opinion. Its mine to keep.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
I must say that I come down on the side of philosophical support of t*r.

We men do not generally recognize what many women in American life have to face, in terms of abuse, lack of recognition, glass ceilings. It is pervasive.

A lot of it comes from objectifying women. That quickly leads to minimizing contributions of women. This happens often in climbing, where I see women not listened to, because they are not "real" climbers.....which of course is nonesense.

T*R seemed to feel this strongly. As such, feeling the target of a class attack, she took an action that is best described as civil disobedience.

She did so with the understanding that she might be banned. There are generally consequences for civil disobedience. She was willing to endure that.

I don't agree with her reappearance as T*R2, with it's snarky underlayment.
It hurts her original action.

She could have taken other actions. She could have emailed CMac's ISP, and made a complaint about child porn. She could have called the cops.
She did neither.

She took the action that she took with her eyes open. There was a consequence. I don't believe in removing that consequence, particularly with coming back, but I'd think that a reasonable timeframe should be involved.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
Ken M, how do you know she did not contact CMac's isp?...
Captain...or Skully

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
Guesswork.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
Checked out the B. Thread early on. Know Ana pretty well. She had a plan to make peeps think. Problem is there's no control to what will happen or who will post what.

Honor each other. Care about the human next to you. The human body is indeed beautiful, but respect is essential. lynnie

beerlyman

Social climber
State of Confusion
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
Weighing in. I have to admit a little side of me was pissed about the boob thread started by Anastsia.It would have been more appriate started by a man . She's a woman with boobs. Women USE boobs AND their bodies to control men. Is that knot a fact? I am so tired of being a f*#king productive hardnosed working man only to be shunned by some woman whom is so full of herself /boobs and body to make me crawl on my hands and knees just to have a civil conversation with her. That is the product of worshipping women's bodies. It's a societal thing. I sure wish women lusted after the underside of my scrotum as much as we men like their boobs. I wnat to celebrate what MEN bring to the table. So if TR will start a man adoring thread .....I'm in . Viva la hombre!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
Don't like the content don't click on the thread... it had boobs in the title.








































This thread has low test levels.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
GDavis, you appear to be taking the position that if you don't like riding in the back of the bus, don't ride.

A lot of whites did take that position.

A lof of heterosexuals take the same position with gays.....you don't like the marriage policy, move out of the country.

But there are people who do take civic engagement seriously, and won't take the position that when they see something wrong, they just walk away and don't get involved.

When we are part of a very privileged group.....and I'm a white male, too, it is easy to forget the advantages that we have.
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
Ricky D hit the nail on the head.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 22, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
Ken M, how do you know she did not contact CMac's isp?...

Nita, I've been involved with these scenarios before. Generally speaking, when the ISP contacts a webmaster with a complaint about illegal activity, it is generally phrased in terms of "delete NOW". As such, I'd think that the boobs thread would have gone instantly, rather than after t*r had been deleted.

Also, if there were a complaint of illegal activity, and the response was to delete the complainer, that's the type of action that can get you into a lot more trouble.

So, I think the evidence does not support such a contact.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
Fix it, f*#k it, or set it on fire.

Burn baby burn.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
I often am bemused, when a community like climbers, who fancy themselves as freaks and outlaws take umbrage when someone "breaks the rules".

I liked t*r's posts, even when I didn't agree with them - I'll miss her voice on the forum.

Be well t*r.

-Steve
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 22, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
I happen to agree with her 100%, not that it matters.


I think it matters greatly, Norton.

Women who complain about such threads become trivialized as jealous prudes. Men willing to go against the current and disapprove...their opinion seem to bear more weight.

Again, I believe Anastasia intended a fun, bouyant thread...but threads wend away from the intentions of authors. She shouldn't be castigated for where things went.

A collective protest to admin. would have been preferable action...but we didn't cultivate such action... and T*R went through with her "civil disobedience".

...incorrect, but it ultimately worked. I hope she's allowed back soon. It's not like she slew the unblemished lamb.
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:00am PT
Credit: Ihateplastic
Degaine

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:41am PT
Ricky D wrote:
My issue with t*r is her consistently childish reactions to ideas that offend her - I have seen this same hissy fit approach from her for YEARS now on this site. In the beginning, I wrote it off as the typical dramatic angst of an early teen, but she is getting too old to keep playing that role.

Time to grow up little missy.

What a bunch of crap.

t*r has taken more sh#t in here and has been the target of more vitriol than every other poster on this forum combined, and that includes fattrad et al in the political threads.

The worst of the mean spirited attacks have come primarily from older men. I really don't need to guess as to the reasons, they're quite obvious, and it's not because of supposed childish reactions to the ideas of others.

And there are a lot of people in here that make extremely childish posts and they have not received one-tenth of the vitriolic ad hominem crap that t*r has, and if memory serves she has even received unpleasant, harassing and downright creepy emails as well.

It's pretty obvious that she received an extra helping of creepy, sexist, vitriolic crap because she is a young woman, but there are women here who dumped more on her than on other female posters, also for obvious reasons that I need not mention.

Many of you should be down right ashamed of how you treated her. The rest of you who are complaining about her posts can get over yourselves, everyone posts annoying sh#t from time to time that we don't agree with (including me of course).

I for one can't fathom why she would be banned, while posters known for sexual harassment and who posted what was borderline kiddie-porn on the boobs thread still have active accounts.

As to you, t*r, cheers and look forward to reading your posts soon.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:17am PT
Boy, the puritans are out in force...

What a bunch of sanctimonious bull sh!t.

Don't like it, don't read it.
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:40am PT
Here's a big +1 for t*r.
Psilocyborg

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 07:34am PT
You all take this web site WAY too seriously. Especially t*r. Wow....get a freakin' life
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 23, 2013 - 07:49am PT
That maybe, but it also may be because many of us do know many other members on this site in the greater world wide web. At any rate, I have sent the following email to admin

*

Dear Chris, and RJ -

First, I would like to thank you for providing Supertopo as a climbing community portal. There is so much great content on the site, and it's value as a repository of living history is unquestionable.

I'm writing to ask if you might consider making a statement on the forum about the most recent conflagration (Boobs Thread). Specifically, the reason why the thread was deleted. Some feel that the reason was due to a member posting what appeared to be images of underage women in a sexualized context. Others have said they feel t*r and her thread bombing attempt were the cause. I wonder if perhaps the thread bomb brou haha(no doubt at least a few people alerted you that there was a poster trying to sabotage that thread...) simply brought the entire thread, and the inherent problematic issues it included to administration attention.

You can see a fairly good synopsis of member perspectives on the thread called "Thank You t*r here:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2051777/Thank-you-t-r

As well, I would like to say that I hope you will reactivate t*r's account in the near future. It seems to me that a permanent ban over her posting of those few (relatively) large "thread bombs" would be excessive, and it also concerns me, as a woman, that her account was deactivated over what many here have voiced was a reaction to abuse. Especially if the thread WAS deleted due to the images I mentioned above, and those who posted such images(there were more than just the ones toward the end of thread) have profiles which remain active.

Again, I appreciate Supertopo very much, as well as the work that goes into maintaining the site.

Terrie (Happiegrrl on Supertopo)
WTF

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 07:55am PT
I don't know what the hell happened with TR but she's a good poster here for sure.


I suspect what may have put her and others here a little over the edge was the pedophiles on the boob thread posting pictures of of teenage girls. Ok perhaps they were 18. But I got a bad feeling the major posters on that thread think that old f*#king limp dicks like them feel its ok to post a picture of a teenage girl when one is in their late 50's. it is not ok to post sh#t like that and especially young girls like that. You f*#king sick old f*#ks need some help.

I suspect Philo hasn't put his hand on a set of tits in years.

So long TR you join a long list of quality people who have left here over the years.

Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Jan 23, 2013 - 07:56am PT
Yawn
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Jan 23, 2013 - 08:01am PT
I suspect Philo hasn't put his hand on a set of tits in years.

Hey Oh!

Yawn

Exactly!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 23, 2013 - 08:23am PT
GDavis, you appear to be taking the position that if you don't like riding in the back of the bus, don't ride.

A lot of whites did take that position.

A lot of heterosexuals take the same position with gays.....you don't like the marriage policy, move out of the country.

Did you just make the connection I thought you did? Geezus dude, hyperbole much?






This was my point.






I found that thread pretty pointless and wasn't interested in it. There are literally BILLIONS Of porn sites on the internet, why campaign because there are some skeezy dudes in their 50's drooling over tits online?

Once our favorite shirt maker starting putting up little kids tho, had to go. I guess he's lucky it ended there.

The fact that it is an issue says more about the spectrum of human behavior on this site. It's like a social petri dish. There are some f*#king creepy as people on this website, so I kinda figured that thread would devolve and implode at some point... quite honestly was surprised it lasted as long as it did.



I wasn't a part of that particular thread, and not for any idealogical reason (I LOVE PORN!!!) but because I saw it as it was - something that people will use to grind their own axes against others who don't share their same perspective.... OH AND HERE WE ARE!



(love you all <3)


Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Jan 23, 2013 - 08:47am PT
TR reminded me of every annoying first-year women's studies graduate student I'd ever met.

Good riddance.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jan 23, 2013 - 08:54am PT
I believe it was Russ who originally bombed threads with a large image of a mushroom cloud,
essentially nuking the thread in a sign of protest.

Civil disobedience should not be condemned. If t*r went around and nuked nuked a bunch of
threads by posting server-suffocating images, then yeah, I'd recommend a cease & desist
before an outright ban.

As much as most folks (well, at least males) love boobies, I can understand how a
thread of hundreds of bare-breasted photos might seem over the edge. And I can understand
how it might seem extremely offensive to some women--it's a delicate subject for a
slew of reasons.

I guess the short of it is thus: I understand t*r's reaction and her action to express
her distain. Banning, from what I've read, seems to be an overreaction--especially if the
thread was offensive enough that it needed to be nuked by the PTB (powers that be).

So, while I don't agree with t*r's action (heck, why not just ignore the thread if it's
that bad for you), but I certainly do understand it.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jan 23, 2013 - 08:54am PT
Comparing anything that happens on ST to legitimate civil rights issues just cheapens the significance of legitimate civil rights issues.


I try not to offend people, out of common courtesy.

But if I do, it's not a crime, or an injustice. It's their problem, not mine.

+1 for Stephen Fry
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 23, 2013 - 09:28am PT
So, while I don't agree with t*r's action (heck, why not just ignore the thread if it's
that bad for you), but I certainly do understand it.

Yeah, I understand all sorts of unacceptable behavior. I understand why people throw tempter tantrums (they want attention), try to control other people (they want power), etc. You can bump it up to robbery, murder, whatever, but we're more at the temper tantrum level here.
"Understanding" something doesn't make it right, or acceptable, and the people who run this site obviously don't have to put up with that crap--especially from someone who doesn't climb or have any particular interest in climbing (from what I can tell).
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jan 23, 2013 - 09:48am PT
Credit: toilet training made easy
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Jan 23, 2013 - 10:43am PT
I am sure some of you have personal experience with the fact that just because you have a small willie does NOT mean you are a child. A tight abdomen does not mean you are a child (don't we all want a six-pack?) A tiny buttock does not imply youth as much as it might show a dedication to exercise and a proper diet. And a happy smile is what we should all have every day. So... for those of you who imply I may have crossed a line I suggest a better understanding of the varieties in human body types. You may be a endomorph with a beer gut, sagging chest, and spreading butt but some of us (no, I do not necessarily mean me) have been blessed with a more ectomorphic build and this includes both men and women. As for those who believe I crossed a line... you are wrong and you have no idea who I am so STFU. As for those who feel their opinions should be forced down the gullet of everyone else on the planet... as you move into older life you will discover there are far more valuable ideals in the world than those of your early adulthood.

Now, I need to put together that thread about my really weird nuts!
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Jan 23, 2013 - 10:58am PT
good to know the internet is safe again
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy
Jan 23, 2013 - 10:59am PT
Ihateplastic you are outed. your post above is just another attempt to hide again.
Those girls are without a doubt prepubescent. No matter how hard you try you cannot change that.

Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:04am PT
Weird... even when I use relatively small words there are still those who can;t understand what is being said.

Credit: Ihateplastic
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:19am PT
No they weren't. Get over it, women come in all kinds of sizes and shapes, just like dudes. Strange isn't it.

"Those girls are without a doubt prepubescent."

Bullsh#t.

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:22am PT
i got it

I - hate - the - plas - tic


oh wait

I - hate - the - pla - stic

It's gotta be one of these two, the others don't make sense.





GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:26am PT
IHP... you scratched at the sun and got burned. Wax don't hold feathers too well.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:27am PT
I would say they weren't that young for the simple fact that you would have to be a complete f*#kin idiot to post pre-pubescent woman, boys, etc.. on an internet site. With the way they are going after child porn, you really think IHATEPLASTIC would be stupid enough to post child porn? If they looked young and it was very distasteful to some that is one thing, but don't blame someone for being a child porn advocate.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:28am PT
I never saw sh#t, if the models were 18 no harm no foul...
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:30am PT
HAHAHA !

does anyone know the definition of prepubescent ?

Hint: before puberty...
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:32am PT
I say that because that is what another poster was claiming. Which makes it more ridiculous. There would have had to be 12 year old girls on there. The thread went no where near there. It was just very distasteful to some and it is getting blown out of proportion.
John M

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 11:37am PT
The point wasn't whether they were over 18 or not. LIkely they were. The point was that the way the pictures were presented glorified the underage look. 18 is an arbitrary age. Some people are mature before this, some people never seem to reach maturity.

Its the same as the media using women who have that heroin abuse thin look. Some women really do look that way without abusing heroin and while eating healthy. Its the glorification of the look that is the problem.

Personally.. I think a 50 year old man should get his mind off of the 18 year olds. Thats what I find kind of sick about Ihateplastics photos.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
Hugh Hefner must make you mental then....
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
I stayed away from all of those stupid boob threads so didn't realize the drama that was going on.

 Ok, with all this explained... I say I have to agree with the boot (unfortunate as that is)... After all, I may have faced the same boot when I was anti-anything L%B threads... However, I feel that I tread the line good enough to avoid that outcome. But we (all of us) finally got rid of LAB (except for bvb's incarnations, lol) and the place is better for it. I feel I played a very small part in this.

But more to the point, t*r was/is an alright lady. Maybe overreacted and maybe was a little too sensitive to the subject matter and maybe handled her outrage ineffectually/inefficiently. My take is if its too offensive, move to a different thread... there are 20 on the front page and masses more behind to choose from... or better... start your own?


As to my quote... I too did not spend too much time in the boobs thread, (but secretly trolled it for visuals occassionally) and totally missed the nuking...

Hopefully lessons are learned.

Cheers
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
18 is an arbitrary age.

huh?

you might be arguing a moral issue but the fact that most are going after IHP because of a legal issue suggests otherwise. 18 is not an arbitrary issue in a court of law with respect to the accusations flying around.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Jan 23, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
I just think it's funny how transparent posting "boob pics" makes peoples sexual preferences look. You can tell the "big ol' titties" dudes, you got the "itty bitty titty" crew, you can tell IHP is waaaaaay into the "very young greyhound" look, and then you got the I like "my Wifes titties" gang..... wait, and then there's lockers hairy moobs pic which is the real reason the thread got shut down, I think. That "boob thread" was actually an easy insight into ALOT of the posters heres semi-kinky brain. It was a case study in my opinion.

;-) <----looky, I put a winkyface emoticon which means I'm just joking so I can still be a spewing douche!!! I kid, I joke ;-)

edit-
As to my quote... I too did not spend too much time in the boobs thread, (but secretly trolled it for visuals occassionally) and totally missed the nuking...

Me too.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
^^^IHP did not post child porn!!^^^ He just has a certain kink, and there's a huge difference.

edit- cannot believe I posted on this dumb crap. I fully don't care about any of it, funny.
treez

Trad climber
99827
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
And Jesus wept.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
I don't know if IHP posted child porn. And thats the point I was trying to make. I don't like wondering if I am looking at underage kids when he posts his underage fetish bullshit on supertopo.

Take an innocent thread like Anastasias, with grown adult titays tastefully and not tastefully presented, and its all good. But then you got to IHP's fetish shots and instantly feel like I should maybe report the photos to the feds, wondering if those are underage kids. I get it, he likes to jerk off to young girls, but wtf, leave me/us out of it.
crock

Trad climber
The Windiest Mountain, Wyoming
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
Since my post regarding the matter is gone:

I did a reverse image search on Google on the photos in question.

The girls were in their twenties. They were professional models. You can find them and the photosets the photos were a part of on the Internet. If you are sufficiently bored you can get the required documents attesting to their age and consent from the original photographers and/or the production companies.

Really I think what we're seeing is an American fetish, which has led you to think that anyone with boobs smaller than a B cup is underage. That's because where you live, all the girls with small boobs get bags of silicon implanted in their chests.

Now I begin to understand the huge pressure they face to have the operation.
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Jan 23, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
Credit: Ihateplastic


Weeeeee!
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Jan 23, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
^^^^^^^^^

Hey, MH, One Stop Shopping.

;-)
Alexey

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Jan 23, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
"beevee" = LEB, the luser
True or not, but first post posters (you) have zero cred.
I know beevee as my climbing partner for many years. She is long time ST lurker, and have nothing to do with LEB.
Papillon Rendre

Social climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
TR was the OP of one great thread: "What song are you listening to now", great cornucopia of music and void of argument. Considering it has over 12K posts, and no discourse, bravo!

Thank you, TR!

philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 23, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
There are also thousands of other sites dedicated to GUNS.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Jan 23, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
Papillon Rendre wrote~
TR was the OP of one great thread: "What song are you listening to now", great cornucopia of music and void of argument. Considering it has over 12K posts, and no discourse, bravo!

Standing Strong is the OP on that thread.

edit- Really? ugh, the multiplte alias/personality disorder thing is creepy. I agree with you though, the "what song" is an excellent thread.
Papillon Rendre

Social climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
T*R AKA Standing Strong...one and the same.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
18 is an arbitrary age.

Is it?

Both men and women are at their physical peak at about 18. For both men and women it's all downhill after that, first a gently sloped hill, that gets steeper and turns into a cliff at 40.

Personally.. I think a 50 year old man should get his mind off of the 18 year olds.

You think 50 year old people should only find other 50 year olds attractive? Really? No one can seriously claim that the average 50 year old man or woman is more physically attractive then the average 18 year old man or woman, raise your hands.

50 year olds tend to date other 50 year olds because they want someone with the same level of maturity and shared interests based on a similar background.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
The 43 year old Hank Caylor would pound the f*#king sh#t out of the 18 year old Hank Caylor. AND, I'm a waaaaaay better lay now than the 18 year old me. Guys who peak in High School and then just bloat out and whither are a shame.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:30pm PT


^^^

LOL!!!...
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
The 43 year old Hank Caylor would pound the f*#king sh#t out of the 18 year old Hank Caylor. AND, I'm a waaaaaay better lay now than the 18 year old me.

You're the exception.

Guys who peak in High School and then just bloat out and whither are a shame.

It's a shame but that's the rule.

Also if you'd word out as much as an 18 year old as you did later, the 18 year old you would still win. Just sayin'.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
"Both men and women are at their physical peak at about 18. For both men and women it's all downhill after that, first a gently sloped hill, that gets steeper and turns into a cliff at 40."

What are you? 18?

If it turns into a cliff at 40, I sure have climbed it a lot ever since.

I am stronger and smarter now than I have ever been. I have knott felt any "downhill" effects, at least not yet. Hoping it will continue!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
So Hank what you're saying is if you were a Terminator you'd go back in time and f*#k yourself to death??? ;-)

50 year olds tend to date other 50 year olds because they want someone with the same level of maturity

I can see the disconnect right away, can't you?

DMT
John M

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
I don't mean that 18 doesn't have an overall significance. It certainly does. But their is still a fairly wide range of maturity at that age. I think we needed an age at which we legally define someone as an adult, but that doesn't mean that just because they now turned 18 that they are now fully an adult. Legally, yes, but otherwise. Not necessarily. We already realize that 18 year olds aren't necessarily fully grown. The drinking age in many places is 21. I'm just trying to point out that 18 was an age we decided was a turning point. Just because something it is legal doesn't mean that it is always right.

I try to ignore Hugh Hefner. He isn't a hero to me.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
I think we needed an age at which we legally define someone as an adult, but that doesn't mean that just because they now turned 18 that they are now fully an adult.

The hell you say!

DMT
John M

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
Yes.. DMT.. I say.. whats your point? Or are you just trying to be cute?
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
Good thing the pseudofem bodyhaters weren't chillin' with my posse BITD. They'da had a coronary.

Credit: bvb
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
Same point as 50 year olds who try to date other 50 year olds because of perceived level of maturity.

If maturity is the yardstick then an awful lot of people are going to run afoul of the rule.

My view?

If a person can die for her country she should be legally entitled to drink and f*#k who she wants, too; including 50-somethings.

You get my point?

DMT
John M

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
Sure DMT.. and I agree.

You are talking legality. I'm not.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
I REALLY hope to be able to meet some awesome 18 year olds when I'M fifty...
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
Actually I'm talking free will. But I didn't expect you'd understand the example anyway.

DMT
John M

climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
Right back at you DMT..

Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
So Hank what you're saying is if you were a Terminator you'd go back in time and f*#k yourself to death??? ;-)

HAHAHAHAHAHA awesome!!

I REALLY hope to be able to meet some awesome 18 year olds when I'M fifty...

Always have a couple grams of molly with you when you go on vacation, and have a bisexual girlfriend/Wife just in case..
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
If 50 is the benchmark for maturity, I'm in BIG trouble !
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
If maturity is the yardstick then an awful lot of people are going to run afoul of the rule.

Yeah, and that is why some 50 year olds are able to marry 20 year olds and find it a good emotional fit! Because the 50 year old is immature for his or her age, and/or the 20 year old is mature for his or her age.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
Credit: Wade Icey

lookin' strong bvb!
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
The 43 year old Hank Caylor would pound the f*#king sh#t out of the 18 year old Hank Caylor.


You're the exception.

Yeah, look at the average age of boxing champions (or winners of climbing comps, whatever), it ain't 43. Perhaps it's the ego that is getting stronger? :)
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
I REALLY hope to be able to meet some awesome 18 year olds when I'M fifty...

I meet them all the time. They are just not into me anymore. I wander why?

photo not found
Missing photo ID#286027
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
Hey! Think social services could give this unhappy pair some assistance? Obvious abuse of some kind going on here.

Credit: bvb
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
Shrumps at the stumps?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
Really I think what we're seeing is an American fetish, which has led you to think that anyone with boobs smaller than a B cup is underage. That's because where you live, all the girls with small boobs get bags of silicon implanted in their chests.

Now I begin to understand the huge pressure they face to have the operation.

I don't think too many people here have any idea of what a normal young adult who is not overweight with smallish to average breasts looks like.

In most of the porn you see, the women have artificially enhanced breasts, or if they are natural, they are much larger then average.

Americans have taken a perfectly normal natural part of the body and fetishized it.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
Those girls are without a doubt prepubescent.

Luckpink, do you even know what "prepubescent" means? Obviously NOT!
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
"Alhough some can argue with merit that the entire thread was creepy and inappropraite. . . "

I'd like to hear the arguments condemning such a thread (which does NOT feature youngish looking women), and probe the psychological drivers behind the condemnation. Can we say, "issues . . ."

This site and the climbing world have always been large enough for both the John Calvin's and the John Holmes' to sound off. That one would acquire the power to at once police what we see and determine what content is appropriate is, IMO, a gigantic dereliction of the tolerance and freedom most of us so prize and cherish about the adventure world. Defenders of the faith are telling others what to do, and save for felonious or hateful acts, I have no patients for self-appointed censors.

EVERYONE has the freedom to say what they believe. Notwithstanding debauched forays into kiddy porn, gay bashing, and such crapola, NOBODY should ever have the power to determine the agenda or to make this site or the adventure community over in their own image or to their own liking. That's moral fascism masquerading as the One True Path, where subjective fears, credos and beliefs are fobbed off as objective truths or, worst still, as "God's will." The fact that this is a largely unconscious process makes it especially dangerous.

Do you have any idea what happens when you bury the dark side in the name of "good?" No - you don't need to elevate the shadow or worship rats and Devils. It's not all or nothing, a universal fact apparently lost on many.

JL
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
Welcome back Largo
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 23, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
+1,000 Largo.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 23, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
Not much preaching on the music thread, none needed:

music is the most Dionysian of the arts, since it appeals directly to man's instinctive, chaotic emotions and not to his formally reasoning mind.

Who's Who in the field of Climbing?


Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 23, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
An excellent point zBrown. Really got me to thinking there - we can be so... religious, about politics, about sex, about football, about patriotic bullsh#t, and yet... music seems to fill the spheres.

Very interesting point to ponder...

I know t*r is/was proud of that thread and when the political thread eclipsed it in post count I was sad.

Thanks
DMT
I'm Rick James, Bitch

Social climber
Up in it and down on it
Jan 23, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
Riley says:
But the funniest thing of all is considering all the absolutely ridiculous drama TR has posted and been involved with over the years this has got to be the most ridiculous and hypocritical

Cause TR has posted her own boob pics!!! She would get drunk and send me pics of her boobs. And because I was involved in some drama with her, only on the phone thank goodness, I was in contact with many other people who also had had boob shots sent to them or been involved in more intimate and incredibly f*#ked up and dramatic ways - ask them? maybe they will post up!

BULLSH#T without pics! Post 'em up! Dingus is probably in the chain too. Along with Kovar? Show some proof.
CIRJB!!!!!^69 (*)(*)
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 23, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
almost like knight and day






Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 23, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
Largo, I don't think it was as much about what she said as what she did. At least from what I've gleaned from the events that lead up to her ban. She did stuff to the thread that slowed down the entire website to a degree that it was damaging to ST as a whole. It resulted in the deletion of the thread and TR getting de-activated by admins as a result of her actions.

She's also Standing Strong, Tuolumne Rainbow, she has lots of handles here so I'm sure she'll be back.
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Jan 24, 2013 - 12:10am PT
"I'd like to hear the arguments condemning such a thread (which does NOT feature youngish looking women), and probe the psychological drivers behind the condemnation."

OK, here's a couple of arguments. I don't condemn the thread, but I don't think it needs to be here, either.

1. Whoever needs to see some boobs can easily scratch that itch without coming to Supertopo. What's the need for posting it here? Same goes for guns, political arguments, etc. There are few places to get quality discussion of climbing-related topics. When one group does a fit of wildly off topic posting, the others seem to think they have a license to do the same, and you end up with a million off topic posts, so that interesting climbing threads quickly get buried.

2. This kind of thread bothers some people who have climbing related contributions to make, and they sometimes leave due to all the heat and noise generated by the threads and their possible removal.

Well, I don't know if there's much to probe here, but perhaps I'm hiding things from myself.

OK, that's my last non-climbing related post ever. Reading and thinking about this stuff is a waste of my precious time. Why did I just spend 5 minutes on this stuff???
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 24, 2013 - 01:56am PT
So Hank what you're saying is if you were a Terminator you'd go back in time and f*#k yourself to death???

Omfg I snarfed my soda.


It's not yet February and the major controversy is boobs. This one rates 5 stars!
QITNL

climber
Jan 24, 2013 - 02:44am PT


I bought this for my girlfriend from World Market. Stone Praying Lady. $20.

I put a little crystal on her and she liked it.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Jan 24, 2013 - 02:50am PT
Like sands through the hourglass, these are the days of your (Supertopo) lives.

QITNL

climber
Jan 24, 2013 - 02:57am PT
Quiet is the new loud.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Pollock Pines, California
Jan 24, 2013 - 05:41am PT
..after is the new before
as my futures and pabst
become so horribly entagled that i'm
completely befuddled by the now....

or something to to that effect.


sweet statue QTNL,
i found this driftwood buddha with
a stone fixed in her roots,
gave it to my gal, and she liked it, too.
Credit: Norwegian


happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 24, 2013 - 08:23am PT
She did stuff to the thread that slowed down the entire website to a degree that it was damaging to ST as a whole.

I find that interesting, as others have said it too. Did anyone actually experience a slowdown(other than annoyed people who had to remove their hands from their lap to use the scroll key to get to more tittie pics)?

My computer is running XP 2002, and is stuffed to the gills with photos. I often run out of space to perform actions when using Illustrator or Photoshop because my computer is so full and old. I cannot view YouTube at auto level, and even the lowest quality buffers quite a bit within many videos.

I was online during the nuke pictures and resultant blowback.I was also using my Verizon mobile broadband which is notorious for whimpering whenever there is so much as a cloud to block the signal(as is happening now), and saw ZERO loss in performance.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 24, 2013 - 09:10am PT
Happiegrrrl the "loss of Performance" was just from the 50+ year old skeezer geezers who had to take there hands from their laps to scroll. LOL
John M

climber
Jan 24, 2013 - 09:22am PT

I find that interesting, as others have said it too. Did anyone actually experience a slowdown(other than annoyed people who had to remove their hands from their lap to use the scroll key to get to more tittie pics)?

No.. its a misunderstanding of what a photo bomb does. In the olden days we had some pics that would overload a computer. They still exist, Russ has one, but computers are faster and handle them better. The modern way to bomb a thread is to post a whole lot of pictures in a row so that it takes forever to scroll through.. even if you use the page button. Its more frustrating then anything else and keeps people from using a thread. It becomes a control issue more then anything else.
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 24, 2013 - 09:22am PT
She did stuff to the thread that slowed down the entire website to a degree that it was damaging to ST as a whole.

Yeah, that's unlikely. There are two ways to include images in a post on ST:

1) Link to an image hosted elsewhere using the [img ... forum code

2) Use the image uploader to store the image at ST. The ST server then re-compresses the image into a few different (usually smaller) sizes

I didn't see the images in question, but in general, if you want to photo-bomb a thread you use technique #1 as using #2 will result in displaying smaller images which kinda defeats the purpose of the photo-bomb.

If the images are hosted elsewhere (technique #1) inserting images will have zero effect on the ST server and if #2 were used, the smaller file size would have a negligible impact. Using #1 can however have a significant effect on the client (your web browser), slowing down rendering and locking the browser up.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 24, 2013 - 09:23am PT


BINGO!!!...

"It becomes a control issue more then anything else."...

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jan 24, 2013 - 10:12am PT
Isn't it always?
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 24, 2013 - 10:19am PT
Have seriously lost interest in any and all of this. It's done, she's been given the ax, move along.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jan 24, 2013 - 11:22am PT
OK, that's my last non-climbing related post ever. Reading and thinking about this stuff is a waste of my precious time. Why did I just spend 5 minutes on this stuff???

-


It's called a break, a breather, a moment to decompress from all the important and serious and grave things you have to accomplish in the next day or hour.

This site is a balm to many who find a quick escape from their normal life and can let it fly for a few minutes. Insisting that ST be the perfect equal of the real and important living we do in our normal lives is to rob some of us of the very reason we come here in the first instance - not to grind on serious maters, but to let all that go for a breath or two. And the idea that the value of this site is relative to how strictly we're roped to climbing themes and issues - this is a bad plan IMO. The heading of most posts lets us know the content. Click on climbing threads if that's what you want. There's always a bunch of them on page 1. Why concern yourself with what you don't like? And trying to police this crowd is like herding cats. You'll never pull it off.

JL

locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 24, 2013 - 11:24am PT

^^^

IMHO...

NAILS IT!!!...
ground_up

Trad climber
mt. hood /baja
Jan 24, 2013 - 11:27am PT
^^^^^ exactly ! well put as per usual Largo
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jan 24, 2013 - 11:33am PT
If there's one thing I learned from Boobgate, no wait a minute I didn't learn anything from Boobgate.
toadgas

Social climber
los angeles
Jan 24, 2013 - 11:37am PT
.


just relax everyone....t*r has re-surfaced to assist the elderly males here...


vvv
vv
v

http://www.troll.me/images/never-alone/want-me-to-tickle-your-scrotum.jpg


-


The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jan 24, 2013 - 11:38am PT
Boobgate. Don't post picks of flat chested chicks and if you do post boob picks cover the nips.

Pretty simple.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 24, 2013 - 11:49am PT
I find that interesting, as others have said it too. Did anyone actually experience a slowdown(other than annoyed people who had to remove their hands from their lap to use the scroll key to get to more tittie pics)?

My computer is running XP 2002, and is stuffed to the gills with photos. I often run out of space to perform actions when using Illustrator or Photoshop because my computer is so full and old. I cannot view YouTube at auto level, and even the lowest quality buffers quite a bit within many videos.

I was online during the nuke pictures and resultant blowback.I was also using my Verizon mobile broadband which is notorious for whimpering whenever there is so much as a cloud to block the signal(as is happening now), and saw ZERO loss in performance.

The fact that her attempt to sabotage this site may not have been particularly successful is a pretty lame defense, if that's what you're getting at. She may have gone on to attempt something else (and her immediate signing up with a new avatar suggests she may not be the type to just let something go and move on--hopefully the site admins have their eyes on her IP and are on the lookout for anything suspicious. I suspect we may not have heard the last from her).
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 24, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
Summary: OMG, like there was this thread on this internet site that said "boobs" and I clicked it and like there were like tons of naked boobs. I couldn't believe it! I was like "ew, that's gross!" So I was all like, "I'm totally going to nuke that" because I can't stand when others find enjoyment from harmless pictures of naked breasts. After my childish bullshit affected site performance I was banned. I was all like "you can't do that to ME." So I was like "I know, I'll just get another account and rub it in their faces." And then I was like banned again. It's like totally not fair.

Women's bodies should not be looked at.

Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Jan 24, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
Like OMG...you are totally....like...right.^^^^ EWWWW
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 24, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
She did stuff to the thread that slowed down the entire website to a degree that it was damaging to ST as a whole.

I don't see how this would happen. Image links to not put any load on the supertopo server. The load is on the server where the images are and the user's computer.

The supertopo should not have been affected at all.
MH2

climber
Jan 24, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
thank you norwegian
for wearing the dirtiest underwear
on this site.


Amen to that.
And I would defend to the death your right
As the founding fathers did once with guns
For the boobs
Which were to distract us
But they got out of hand


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 24, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
The fact that her attempt to sabotage this site may not have been particularly successful is a pretty lame defense, if that's what you're getting at.

That was not what I was getting at.

My point was that people said the bombs DID affect site performance, and I did not believe that was the case. I simply asked if anyone had had that experience, and also provided input into my own experience resulting from the bombs.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 24, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
Summary: OMG, like there was this thread on this internet site that said "boobs" and I clicked it and like there were like tons of naked boobs. I couldn't believe it! I was like "ew, that's gross!" So I was all like, "I'm totally going to nuke that" because I can't stand when others find enjoyment from harmless pictures of naked breasts. After my childish bullshit affected site performance I was banned. I was all like "you can't do that to ME." So I was like "I know, I'll just get another account and rub it in their faces." And then I was like banned again. It's like totally not fair.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!1111
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 24, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
My point was that people said the bombs DID affect site performance, and I did not believe that was the case. I simply asked if anyone had had that experience, and also provided input into my own experience resulting from the bombs.

OK, I made a bit of an assumption based on your lobbying to have TR reinstated--my apologies.
The "nuke" thing was really funny when it was first done and it set Philo off so much that he was contacting the FBI and generally going crazy; it's just sort of pathetic now.
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 24, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
HK, totally agree. Mechrist's summary nails this drama.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Pollock Pines, California
Jan 24, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
t∞r

that was supposed to be infinity instead of a star,
i was going to suggest it as a new handle for
she to employ in this site. unfortunately it resembles the intollerable
elements that have spun this site counter productive,

all this +1 stuff that people use
to echo other's sentiment, got me thinking
to use

 (1/∞) fer what so and so said,
cause that would be injustice to e-paridigms,


so i searched the character map for the infinity sign,
and infinity fits right in between t and r, symbollically
at least, not so much gramatically,

now i've done it.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Jan 24, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
HK, totally agree. Mechrist's summary nails this drama.

I taught the wee lad everything he knows.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 25, 2013 - 04:45am PT
The "nuke" thing was really funny when it was first done and it set Philo off so much that he was contacting the FBI and generally going crazy; it's just sort of pathetic now.

Blahblah you really are a boob.
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