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WML

climber
Biggest Little City, NV
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 16, 2013 - 07:57am PT



Found this and figured some of ya'll would enjoy. This is from the same guy who does the "Whole Foods Parking Lot" song and the "Yoga girl" one as well.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 16, 2013 - 08:19am PT
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..................

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!

That is f*#king classic.

Killing me softly with his rap

DMT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 16, 2013 - 08:49am PT
Yo, keepin' it real at Telegraph and Haste!

Credit: Reilly
bixquite

Social climber
humboldt nation
Jan 16, 2013 - 08:51am PT
king jr. high baby, '88, and the french hotel coffee dude, soo clasic
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 16, 2013 - 08:56am PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1954729&tn=880#msg2045582
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 16, 2013 - 09:00am PT
hey, I lived at the corner of Haste and Telegraph, above "Mario's Mexican Restaurant," which burned down in the last year or so...

was the 1971* academic year... my senior year at Cal...

...and I don't worry about being "Berkeley enough"


[edit]* they say if you can remember those times you weren't really there... Gary emailed me that I couldn't have been a senior at Cal in 1971, and he's right, it was 1975, but if I had been smart enough, maybe I could have been a senior then after one year... the reality: it took me four and one summer class, to complete.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 16, 2013 - 09:02am PT
I've had some great times in Berkeley. Been beat and whipped like a yeller dawg too hahahahaha.

Seriously.

RIP Marmot and Wilderness Exchange and the Real Peets.

DMT
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:20am PT
I spent four of my happiest climbing years at Berkeley; freshman year (1969-70) in Smythe Hall at the top of Dwight, next two in "The Zoo" (still standing on Piedmont, just north of Dwight), and last across from Live Oak Park on Shattuck within easy walking distance of Indian Rock. Thanks for posting this. It's a classic.

John
WBraun

climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:21am PT
University of California, Berkeley

Where lab coats are born .....

:-)
t*r

Mountain climber
where the wild things are
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:23am PT
can't watch the video right now, but i'm giggling at the thread title alone. lookin' forward to viewing!

edit: i thought werner wrote "lab cats" which made me laugh even more
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:29am PT
University of California, Berkeley

Where lab coats are born .....

That's hitting a little too close to the mark, Werner. In 1969, Dave Altman and I were in Chem 4A together. In the lab, we were given a glass cleaner with instructions that said, essentially, "Only let this touch your clothing where you want a hole to appear." I suspect Dave took the hint and kept his clothing intact. I, on the other hand, got holes in my sweater and vest. I should have had a lab coat!

John
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:36am PT
University of California, Berkeley; where strange things grow...

4' across!  Someone get Dr F a paper bag, quick!
4' across! Someone get Dr F a paper bag, quick!
Credit: Reilly
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 16, 2013 - 10:49am PT
I last ate at Mario's in 1967 as I recall. We switched to Casa de Eva down the road apiece.

Here's a little article.


http://www.berkeleyside.com/2011/04/01/after-52-years-two-much-loved-berkeley-restaurateurs-step-down/




The building was the Sequoia Building - which I certainly never knew.

whole story here:
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2011/11/23/fire-scarred-sequoia-building-part-of-berkeleys-heritage/



The Berkeleyside site has some interesting stuff for all the emigrants.

Fletcher

Trad climber
The great state of advaita
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:07am PT
MADE.... MY.... DAY!!!!

TPFU!

Eric
Inner City

Trad climber
East Bay
Jan 16, 2013 - 11:21am PT
Living in B town now. It is hard to be Berkeley 'enough'...been living here all my life and anywhere else I go, it seems a little weird.

This rapper also does that more well known "Whole Foods Parking Lot" rap..very funny..."these dudes with clip boards lookin' at me like they know me.."
FredC

Boulder climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
La Fiesta!

We were totally fueled by that place. The dinners were huge, about right after a long day at Indian Rock when we were young. Dave A. and I went there many times in the 70s.

As part of the Berkeley Rock scene I felt I needed to ride my bike to the Valley in a day. The fuel for that ride came from Mario's. (I also carried a plastic bag full of cooked potatoes, my super secret formula for success!)

I bumped into Dave at the Berkeley gym last week and he mentioned you John. Some climb you guys did way back in the dawn of time.

Fred
Fletcher

Trad climber
The great state of advaita
Jan 16, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
Portlandia is up there in the running with Bezerkley:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1932353&msg=1932399#msg1932399

Love both. You will never get bored in those places. As HST said, "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"!

Eric
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
Fred,

Everything we did was at the dawn of time ;>). When we were freshmen, I had already been climbing for a few years, and Dave hadn't started yet, but he kept asking questions that showed his interest. Around 1973 he got serious about climbing, and I had to get serious about the working world, so he passed me up in climbing and, if I remember rightly, you passed me up in bouldering about the same time.

John
jbaker

Trad climber
Redwood City, CA
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
Here's a video Sam Dorman did with DJ Dave - also shot in Berkeley - Daddy Skills
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 16, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
Hmm I don't get it.

Stopped by Berkley a few time.. no Hippies that I could see.. ugly place.. with car lots.

Wanting to be Berkley Enough sounds like a stupid idea to me.

A place that history tells me was cool once but ain't no more
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 16, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
The answer is in Portland my homies!




Where my flannel shirt still looks fly!

Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Jan 16, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
I lived in Berkeley from October 1965 until January 1970.

I got there a few months after Mario Savio and the Free Speech Movement captured the scene and was there for the war protests including guard shacks blown up on campus from time to time. Once while doing laundry at a laundromat on Telegraph, students built a bonfire in the middle of the street and I had to lug loads of clean laundry to the car under the gaze of rooftop police.

I was unsuccessfully evangelized by Hubert the street preacher, and converted to radical politics by Noam Chomsky and others. No Oakland draft riots but marched in San Francisco. Saw Bobby Kennedy speak a couple of months before he was assassinated. Lived in fear of Oakland race riots which miraculously never materialized and rejoiced that none of our friends were drafted. Some climbers managed to get disqualified for mental reasons and some went to Canada.

I had to breathe second hand ganja through every movie I ever attended, shopped at the Berkeley Co-op and REI when they still rad (two girls were busted for trying to decompact their dope in the coffee grinder), went to slide shows and parties with Harding, Sacherer, Morton, Erb, Dozier, Thompson and Beck, among others.

Concerts, lectures, and wonderful intellecutal conversations with strangers. That was the Berkeley I remembered. Climbing in the Valley by that time was just a slde show.
DJDave

Social climber
Berkeley
Jan 16, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
@climbski2, it's really okay. No hard feelings whatsoever. You're just not Berkeley enough.
-DJDave
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Jan 16, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
The Berkeley Barb had a columnist named Alice Kahn originally from Chicago. This is the sixties-seventies. Knowing her big city origins, none of us here should be surprised that Alice had access to irony and even could do sardonics. Many loved her stuff; I sure did. She coined a number of memorable phrases regarding Berkeley. She eventually also wrote for the SF Chronicle as well. I think she might have been syndicated by that point. Anyway, one quote was, "more Berkeleyer than thou". Another was how "the City Council had made the streets safe for dog shit" when they passed some ordinance regarding curbing your pets---an ordinance that remained in effect far too long, apparently. And Alice is credited with coining, "Yuppie" and had two fictional yuppies as a starter kit, Dirk and
Bree.

PH (Berkeley 1951 to 1970) Berkeley Co-op number #3454
g-tech

Trad climber
Oakland!
Jan 16, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
F-Berkeley, the town is the place!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzkoeyhAAdk&sns=em
WBraun

climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
When I got drafted out of Yosemite Valley in 1970 for the Vietnam War I got sent to Berzerkeley or was it Oakland induction center of all places ......
Matt Sarad

climber
Jan 16, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
My son's best friend dropped out of Cal as a senior. He went to Chez Panisse and got a bus boy job. Then he became a wine runner, trained as the garde manger, and now is a line cook.

I began climbing there and was mentored by Chuck Ostin.

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jan 16, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
In '73, when Dolores and I lived with Randy Hamm and Gypsy, we rented directly across from Herrick hospital on Dwight, just below Shattuck. Then we moved to Telegraph when they left for Europe because, apparently by this time Randy and Gypsy were in danger of becoming tooo Berkeley, so they decided to travel and roughen up the edges.

Our apartment on Telegraph was three floors up, above Casa de Eva (overrated) & faced the Berkeley Hills with a wide vista. The time it snowed down to our level, that was a special treat.
t*r

Mountain climber
where the wild things are
Jan 16, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
just watched it! that video is sooo funny

thanks for posting! sent to my bff, who went to cal.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 17, 2013 - 08:48am PT
thanks to zBrown for the picture of the building... our appt. was on that row of windows, a floor up from the street, on the Haste St. side, the one at the end of the building away from Mario's.

Mario's was an economic solution to the problem of eating out... though we always looked to see who got an actual piece of chicken in the soup course!

It was a rough corner with a lot of street life intervening, often for the worse, into that building. But it was Berkeley.
scuffy b

climber
heading slowly NNW
Jan 17, 2013 - 08:53am PT
That's where my friend Susie lived in 1968, Ed.
Jan, REI didn't come to Berkeley until 1975.
I think you are recalling the Co-op Wilderness Supply, at Cedar and
Shattuck, across the streets from the Co-op grocery store.
They also had a branch down near Ski Hut, I think, perhaps right across
University from their other grocery store.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 17, 2013 - 08:56am PT

Ha, Scuff, I was gonna point that out, too. In fact, Big Jim asked me to
go help open that store and I said, "What, leave Seattle to go live with a
bunch of crazy hippies? Besides, it's like 3 hours to the mountains, none
of which has a real glacier." That dude was deluded.


"I swear, I never inhaled!"
Credit: Reilly
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 17, 2013 - 10:18am PT
Herr Braun ... that would have been Oakland, be thankful they didn't send you to L.A. The inductors actually wanted me to spend the night so they could do some further tests one me. I declined.

Anyway, as long as we're doing pictures

Here'e one place I lived. The student co-op on Ridge Road, a converted, historic hotel






Cloyne Court Hotel (John Galen Howard, 1904) shortly after completion, looking northeast from Le Roy Avenue. Also visible are Allenoke Manor (left), Beta Theta Pi chapter house (right), and a cluster of five steep-roofed Maybeck houses on Ridge Rd. and Highland Place, including Charles Keeler’s house & studio just above the eastern Cloyne wing. (photo: Louis L. Stein Jr. collection)
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 17, 2013 - 10:37am PT
This is a good one for two reasons. If there's ever a 1960's Berkeley youtube vid it's gotta have dogs, lots of dogs and soap in the fountain.

m.

Trad climber
UT
Jan 17, 2013 - 10:51am PT
Berkeley rules. Fiat Lux!
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:25am PT
The east bay sucks. Berkeley is a suburb. SF or nothing!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:36am PT
Think I'll head over that way in a bit.

Hah! Coast to coast.

DMT
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:54am PT
This is a good one for two reasons. If there's ever a 1960's Berkeley youtube vid it's gotta have dogs, lots of dogs and soap in the fountain.

Right, and besides, what other university has a fountain named for a dog?

John
Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:58am PT
U really coming to Berkeley, Dingus? Hit me up for a coffee or tea!

I love the Portlandia song. Esp. the bit about SF at the end.

Berkeley isn't nearly as Berkeley as I would have guessed before moving here. My neighborhood is almost (not quite) as ghetto as where I lived in West Oakland, although the house across the street is covered in murals and has flowers planted in brass beds in the front yard.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
It usually comes as a surprise to many to find that Berkeley was a right wing retirement community prior to the early sixties. It had been turning school bond issues for years for example until that famous sea change fifty years ago.

And the town was starkly segregated even though blacks were 36% of the population. Obviously the schools had a problem and the city was the first to start busing kids to try to solve de facto segregation. Bussing was a crisis for many of the pseudo liberals and there was kind of a white flight amongst even these families or at least their kids who suddey were schooling privately. My sister's kid was even one of them; he was suddenly in Athenian School in Walnut Creek!
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
@3:44 Not Sgt. Pepper:




At the time, funds were lacking to buy the land, and the plan was shelved until June 1967, when the university acquired $1.3 million to take the land through the process of eminent domain (compulsory purchase). After taking control of the land, neighborhood residents were evicted and demolition of homes began


mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jan 17, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
zBrown, that's sooooo Berkeley.
A Milk-In Demonstration. <br/>
It's a Pappening.
A Milk-In Demonstration.
It's a Pappening.
Credit: LaLecheLeague
Ain't got enough farms in Berkeley, I guess.

Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Jan 17, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2013/01/04/a-map-details-berkeleys-gulf-between-rich-and-poor/
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 17, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
Not a good choice of colors I'd say, since the map appears to show that the richest folks live on Tilden Golf Course. :)

Another point, since you can reverse text, as we have all seen on another thread, why can't you rotate it 90 degrees and get an upright smiley? Next thing you know they'll be colorzing everything. In the immortal words of Barbarella, "Damn that Turner".


Go Cal pyscho-delic Bears




Berkeley, circa 1967


Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Jan 17, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
Raised in So Cal, I didn't make it to Bezerkeley until 2011. The moment I hit the place it was love at first sight. When I walked thru Peoples Park it was a fantastic, glorious experience. I kept pointing at all the wonderment and my friend kept yelling at me to quit pointing.

Spring in the B. Place is also Fantastic. The Gardens are Glorious!!!

Best Ever is Walking the Claremont Trail and at the top viewing All of the Bridges....Wow and Yow!!! L.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 17, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
Don't miss the sunsets up at the rad lab.




Did anyone offer you some of the people's stew, cooked up in metal trash cans? Can you spare some change?

QITNL

climber
Jan 17, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
Credit: google
Freds!
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 17, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
OK - What's Freds
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jan 17, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
^^^The world according to the Word from Above, the almost-almighty US Census.^^^
"This would seem to be skewed because of the presence of students, but another Bay Citizen article states that the Census Bureau did not count adults living in groups in calculating the Gini Index just to avoid distortions."

Not knowing Berkeley enough, I am hesitant to suggest that perhaps maybe the folks the Census "interviewed" lied through their Dr. Bronner-cleaned teeth and sought purposely to mislead the Feds, which the Census-takers, being largely resentful low-lifes, temporarily conscripted to feed the Fascist Regime information which could serve to enslave the common man, and having no real good reason to do the job other than to feed themselves, and who therefore had no culpability, since they were trying to do the right thing by their conscience and to impress their friends but at the same time saw a chance to stick it to the Man, if only a pinprick, went along with the distorted counts given them by the various commune members (Four yesterdy, ten today, maybe thirty or forty a week, sometimes less...) and reported ridiculous fantasy figures given them by the residents of many and many a pad in the Berkeley and North Oakland vicinity, thus ensuring the perpetuation of the myth of Berkeley being the seat of mystery and possibility in the Golden State.



QITNL

climber
Jan 17, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
The liquor store just out-of-frame to the right - right where the cops are shooting at. That's where we got our Rainier Ales - green death! The first thing that came to mind when I saw your shot.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 17, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
Is Fred than just another name for a (bull)dog?

What happened to that wood-floored drug store at the corner of Dwight and Telegraph - the lady who ran it was very nice.

Did Bardacke turn it into a poster store?

that would be kitty-korner to Shakespeare.





There are a bunch of later photos here:

http://hammondcast.typepad.com/blog/2012/11/jons-journal-november-2-2012-hammondcast-radio-show.html

BTW that Rokjox thread is worth spending some time on.

QITNL

climber
Jan 17, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
I dunno. That round corner always seemed like a black hole. The little shops would come and go, talking of Michaelangelo.

One thing you notice in before-and-after shots around SF is way more trees on the streets. Trees make life more peaceful.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 17, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
Dwight Ave = Top Dog

or as one street person who used to wander around writing on plexiglass scraps and reading his stuff backwards realized "goD poT"

Debbie worked there for a couple of years... and lots of friends did also...
food jobs are good jobs...

we had friends at Swenson's next door who saved the empty whipped cream cans for us...
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 18, 2013 - 06:03am PT
Don't forget the Northside

Northside Theater (tiny)

Both screening rooms were long and very, very narrow — no more than six seats across on either side of the center aisle, if I recall correctly—and the walls dividing them were paper thin, ensuring that the soundtrack from next door’s movie was always intruding into your movie’s quietest and most contemplative moments. Closed during the 1990s,


LaVals
Grossburger







This was a small drug/variety store where I used to buy my European mailer envelopes. I wonder where all that correspondence is now.



e58870f8ff_b.jpg
Maysho

climber
Soda Springs, CA
Jan 18, 2013 - 06:24am PT
Berkeley is my home town...Moved there to live with my dad, end of 6th grade, a culture shock from a suburban Sacramento grammer school to M.L.K Junior high, in 1974. You could take Swahili or Russian as an elective in freakin 7th grade! My father had a house on Grizzly Peak Blvd, between Forest Lane and Latham Lane, meaning just a few blocks above Pinnacle Rock. First weekend there, I wandered down and encountered the Sierra Clubbers Sunday climbing sessions. I had climbed twice already and jumped right in...learned the ropes, then started hanging at Indian Rock with Fred C. Mike and Amy, Scuffy B, Scott and Nat...I had this crazy paper route for the Oakland Tribune, all around the hills, down into Kensignton, then I would ride down to Indian, boulder till dark, and ride back up to home...I would be challenged to crank my bike up that hill today! Every summer up here at Donner Summit, after 40 days straight of guiding kids out in the high sierra sun...I have a deep craving to wake up on a Berkeley morning, with thick fog, and the smell of Eucalyptus trees, a double cap from the French Hotel...and perusing Black Oak bookstore...

Berkeley is the Best!

Peter
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 18, 2013 - 06:33am PT
save a tree for Huey


Credit: BAHA Archives
http://berkeleyheritage.com/berkeley_landmarks/images/Le_Conte_Ave_oaks.jpg

The 2600 block of Le Conte Avenue circa 1910 (photo: Dimitri Shipounoff collection, BAHA archives)

http://berkeleyheritage.com/berkeley_landmarks/1919_tree_petition.html

which will take you here if you're so inclined

http://ucblibrary3.berkeley.edu:8085/AerialPhotos/campus/

gonna have to figure out why links stop working some day
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 18, 2013 - 08:44am PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#284875

DMT
scuffy b

climber
heading slowly NNW
Jan 18, 2013 - 08:50am PT
That's Durant Ave for Top Dog. As with many places, the visuals get more
interesting when it gets busy.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 18, 2013 - 10:11am PT
right you are... more proof of my actually having been there... maybe I should have lightened up on the whipped cream empties use...
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 18, 2013 - 11:13am PT
I thought Jerry's Grossburger was pretty good until I discovered Giant Bongo Burgers on Dwight just east of Telegraph. They not only had an excellent Shish Kebab Burger for the then princely sum of $1.00, but the anti-Shah ambiance was pure Berkeley.

John
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jan 18, 2013 - 11:21am PT
http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520250161

Spot on Berkeley with a +/- Piedmont and Montclair. Bunch of mis-guided Raiders fans, but at least they have "mont" in their names.

And Throwpie is no loger Merced AT ALL. He's ALL ABOUT Berkeley.

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 18, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
I think Grossburger may now be a Bongo





Favorite library - Morrisson - hands down

Dirka

Trad climber
SF
Jan 18, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
I put in 5 years there too.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 18, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
Socialist ex mayor - J. (no sheeit) Wilson



Today, outsiders may call Berkeley "the People's Republic." During its early-20th-century heyday, however, the city was run primarily by Republicans. But Berkeleyans — even then — were not immune to the call of the Socialists for a more equitable divvying of life's spoils.

In 1911, when Socialist J. Stitt Wilson ran for mayor, even a paper not known for its radical opinions supported his cause. "His well-rounded sentences, polished rhetoric and telling logic drove home the truth with great power," the Gazette said of his kickoff speech.

Wilson, then a boyish 43, called for public ownership of lighting and electricity, streetcars, water, and phones, and a public kindergarten, with all these services provided at minimal cost. The battle, he said, set private citizens against "a mere handful of individuals who control the resources of the nation." Wilson, a backer of women's suffrage, already had the support of Berkeley's progressive women.

"You know what I am standing for," he said to rousing cheers, "cheaper water, cheaper gas, cheaper lights, cheaper phones."


Read the whole story here, if you don't have anything todo

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/ebx/how-berkeley-became-berkeley/Content?oid=1371623&showFullText=true
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
May 2, 2013 - 12:46am PT
Trucks on Main, yes.  Farms, no.
Trucks on Main, yes. Farms, no.
Credit: mouse from merced
Ol' Ben espressin' hisself.
Ol' Ben espressin' hisself.
Credit: mouse from merced
nutjob

Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
May 2, 2013 - 09:05am PT
From 2008-2013 I was living in north Berkeley hills and Kensington. Lots of retired white people, local Kensington police force to kept out "the less desirable elements" and got excited when they could write a ticket for running the only stop sign around.

Melissa, that demographic map of rich/poor blocks matches up pretty well with what anyone can observe living there.

The restaurant I'll miss the most is De Afghanan Kabob place on University. Sometimes we would get take-out and sit up on Indian Rock. Sometimes it was a crowded summer sunset, sometimes all alone in a winter evening chill.






throwpie

Trad climber
Berkeley
May 2, 2013 - 09:15am PT
To quote Jerry Garcia...(he was referring to those who like the Dead) ...Berkeley is like licorice. People who like licorice really like licorice. People who don't like it, really don't like it.

I don't like licorice, but I really like Berkeley. And the Dead.
throwpie

Trad climber
Berkeley
May 2, 2013 - 09:20am PT
Also...my favorite playground is only five minutes from my house...
Credit: throwpie
nutjob

Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
May 2, 2013 - 09:27am PT
Throwpie, my daughter learned to ride a bike on the frontage road right next to there :)

And from the "Not Berkeley Enough" video... Adventure Park! That place is the most cool kids park I have ever seen or heard of. Where else can kids go to work picking up trash or nails on the ground, trade it in to earn tools like hammers and paint brushes, and then go start adding whatever they want onto the existing play structure? Or Codornices park, with the huge rock slide that wears a hole in your butt or scrapes the skin off your knuckles? I'll bet not many cities have stuff where kids can easily hurt themselves. But that stuff is so fun!

That licorice comment is pretty right on.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
May 2, 2013 - 09:55am PT


Been balling a shiny black piton hammer
Been chippin' up rocks for the great new line
I climb five ten if I take my time
Climbin’ that crack and drinkin' my wine

I been chippin’ them rocks from dusk till doom
My rider took the bolt kit to King Tut’s tomb
Guidebook says I should follow some crack
If I do five pitches gotta haul my pack, yes I will


(chorus)
Easy wind, blowin’ cross the Big Stone today
Cuz there’s a whole lotta climbin’, Mama
Yet for me to do today
And the belayer keeps on shoutin’
But you never heard a word he said!


Gotta find a woman who’ll be good to me
Won’t hid my bolt kit, try to make me free
Cuz i’m a stonemaster, El Cap, and my Heart is true
And I’ll give everything that I got to you, where’s my drill?


(chorus with dancing and juggling)
Credit: mouse from merced

In earthly life, Chuck eschewed permanancy in relationships, since they got in the way of his climbing.

And anything else which inhibited him in that way.

He was so Berkeley, really he was.

But there was little or nothing for him there, was there?











mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 1, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
From the university town too tough to cry over broken eggs or tossed salad.

ESAAP.

http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/499308

Does your stomach remember the crepes? Mine doesn't, but my tongue recalls.
Inner City

Trad climber
East Bay
Nov 1, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
Berkeley! Love that video. 45 years plus living there now with only the 4 year move to Santa Barbara for school.

Berkeley is great, but if you are raised there anywhere else you go seems a little wierd. :)
Rong Handerson

Social climber
Mernd Hrse, Nerverder
Nov 1, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
BEZERKERRELY?!! never had no reason to go THERE before


bunch of COMIE'S and stunrg out TWEEKERZ!
Rong Glanderson

Social climber
Merndherse, Kneevadder
Nov 1, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
^^^YUP!!!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 1, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
The flamiest NooB rises in a cloud of dust and ashes, like Fee Nix, the love child of Moe Bandy and Stevie Nix.

Potato wine and chicken wings. Roadhouse City.

Gland to meet ya, hope you'll shake my hand one day again real quick.
Ron Anderson, right some of the time, stubborn all the time, 100%-er.
Ron Anderson, right some of the time, stubborn all the time, 100%-er.
Credit: mouse from merced

Not EVEN "Remote Berkeley," the Fantasy Camp is burned to the ground in the Rim fire.

The new one should have street people roaming around, panhandling the new un-happy campers so they feel at home.
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Nov 1, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
One thing there, Mouster, Ron at least has the right breed of dog going on there. That Border collie is probably brighter than he is.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 1, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
Would that be a Nevada Border Collie?

Enrolling his lovely dog (truly a sweetie) at Berkeley for out of state stoonts must be prohibitively expensive. Not to mention the license-switching fees!
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Nov 1, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
Thanks to scuffyb for pointing out that I went shopping in the co-op and not REI. This could explain why they couldn't find my REI number at their store in Boulder a month ago (but I've been a member since the 1960's says I). So does the Berkeley Co-Op (grocery and mountaineering) still exist?

My last few trips to Berkeley have been to do retreats at the Nyingma Institute. Tibetan art and chanting with electrified prayer wheels, high up on the hill with a view of the Golden Gate and Bay. It doesn't get any better than that.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 1, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
Thanks, nutjob, for posting that picture of Indian Rock. Even though I left Berkeley forty years ago, I still sometimes dream that I'm moving back, and am overjoyed just to be able to go back to The Rock.

John
Rong Handerson

Social climber
Mernd Hrse, Nerverder
Nov 1, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
^^^^you think that rock is something? GUFFAW! come to TAHOE adn climb at IRON BUTTE
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Nov 1, 2013 - 02:30pm PT






scuffy b

climber
heading slowly NNW
Nov 1, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
Referring back to Nutjob's post and its mention of the Afghan restaurant
on University which he will miss, I lament the loss of Celo Kabab on Solano.
That place became so good (I missed out on its earliest days) that it could
make me cry. Well, it did when I lived in Jackson Hole and could only visit
Berkeley once or twice a year.
It suffered a huge loss of business after 9/11/2001 and closed down.
scuffy b

climber
heading slowly NNW
Nov 1, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
Hey Jan,

The co-op closed entirely. The Cedar/Shattuck store became Andronico's, a
high-tone supermarket. I think the grocery on Telegraph went the same way.
The grocery on University? I can't recall now what happened there.
The co-op wilderness supply at Cedar and Shattuck became a series of
pharmacies, and I may have imagined a wilderness supply on University near
the Ski Hut. If there really was one I don't know what moved into that
location.

NutAgain's first picture shows the spot where I was sitting when the 1989
earthquake struck. Top center of the shot, the big stone pylon marking the
intersection of San Mateo and Indian Rock.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 1, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
Sather Gate is a prominent landmark separating Sproul Plaza from
the bridge over Strawberry Creek, leading to the center of the
University of California, Berkeley campus.

The gate was donated by Jane K. Sather, a benefactor of the
university, in memory of her late husband Peter Sather, a
trustee of the College of California, which later became the
University of California.

It is California Historical Landmark No. 946 and No. 82004649
in the National Register of Historic Places.


and

Stephen Tyng Mather (July 4, 1867 – January 22, 1930) was an
American industrialist and conservationist who as president
and owner of Thorkildsen-Mather Borax Company became a millionaire.

With his friend and journalist Robert Sterling Yard, Mather led a
publicity campaign to promote the creation of a unified federal
agency to oversee National Parks administration, which was
established in 1916.

In 1917 Mather was appointed as the first director of the
National Park Service, the new agency created within the
Department of the Interior.

He served until 1929, during which time Mather created a
professional civil service organization, increased the numbers
of parks and national monuments, and established systematic
criteria for adding new properties to the federal system.

Stephen Tyng Mather was born in San Francisco, and named for
the prominent Episcopal minister Stephen Tyng of New York,
who was admired by his parents, Joseph W. Mather and Bertha
Jemima Walker. Mather was educated at the private Boys' High
School in San Francisco, and graduated from the University
of California at Berkeley in 1887.


Sather and Mather:

Two happy-enough campers from Berkeley; but could they climb more than fourth class?

No, but simply because it hadn't been named yet!

I think the Director could have done 5.5 or so with no problemo.

Peter Sather, quien sabe? But with Haan's expert coaching,
he could be another Floyd Turner at the very least, taking his
clothes off to climb Mt. Rainier, for example, by moonlight--a
kind of fraternity initiation.

Imagine the hi-jinx if Camp 4 were an extension of FRAT ROW?






hobo_dan

Social climber
Minnesota
Nov 1, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
Oh man, I'm not Berkeley enough
And i was diggin on The Graduate. Just been there a little- got dropped of after getting a looong ride from Seaside all the way to San Francisco. Let us out at an exit in Berkeley that was already 5 deep at 10 P.M. Nobody was ever going to leave there that night so we broke down and got a ride to the palace.
Bookends From Portland -the town with no soul- to San Francisco- where people think they've accomplished something because of where they live. Still I've always enjoyed the forced intellectual push that comes from the city. But it does get old having to always keep on the lookout for for Smart Bombs.
But Berkeley delivers- with some strong and fresh wind that's still blowing through my laundry list.
I'll leave the typos in for those who need it

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 1, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
Go fer it, Gofer Guts!
Barbarian

climber
Nov 1, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
and last across from Live Oak Park on Shattuck within easy walking distance of Indian Rock.
Fond memories - my dad grew up in Flagg House #1, a Maybeck designed chalet at 1200 Shattuck. Loved that house and Live Oak Park.

Maybeck also designed Parsons Memorial Lodge in Tuolumne Meadows.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 1, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
I remember seeing your kids on that stairway rock, Nut! I love taking in the world from Indian Rock and the top of Remilard when I'm out there.

I love Licorice, Berkeley, and the Dead.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 1, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Feb 22, 2014 - 08:58am PT
Berkeley Rose Garden, stock image.
Credit: mouse from merced
Any of your own in your files, gents? Ladies?

Hey, Jaybro!
Fire on the Mountain!!! See some Flames on the ridge?
Check out 1:16, my bother.
Fingering the fickle
I chased a pickle
And ended up
With a stack of pancakes at Smokey Joe's.
Strawberry Canyon Syrup, too!
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Feb 22, 2014 - 09:10am PT
Mouse, do you recall the most famous dictum of the journalist, Alice Kahn (Berkeley Barb?)?

"More Berkeleyer than thou"?
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 22, 2014 - 09:37am PT
Peder Pedersen Sæther

Sæther was born in Odal, a traditional district in the county of Hedmark in eastern Norway, on the farm Nordstun Nedre Sæther (Sør-Odal). His parents were Peder Larsen and Mari Kristoffersdatter. Sæther was a fisherman before emigrating to New York City in about 1832. He entered the banking house of Drexel & Co. in Philadelphia and remained there until 1850.

In 1850, he and his business partner, Edward W. Church, moved to San Francisco and established the banking firm Sather and Church. Upon his death, the Sather and Church banking firm was absorbed by the Bank of California. Peder Sather was a trustee of the College of California, which would later become UC Berkeley.

His first wife Sarah Thompson was born in 1808 in Connecticut and died in 1881. They had 4 children: Caroline E. Sather, born about 1838, Josephine Frederikke Sather (married Bruguière), born about 1843, died when the White Star Line passenger liner RMS Arabic was torpedoed on August 19, 1915. Mary Emma Sather, born about 1845 and Peder B. Sather, born about 1846. Peder Sather was the maternal grandfather of photographer, Francis Bruguière.

Peder Sather married secondly, in 1882, the widow Jane Krohm Read. She was born 1824 in New York state and died 1911 in California. After her husband's death, she donated money for the construction of a gate and belltower, both of which are named in their honor. She also created an endowment for the Sather Professorship of Classical Literature.

Berkeley enough?
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Feb 22, 2014 - 09:46am PT
Saw this in Santa Cruz
Saw this in Santa Cruz
Credit: SCseagoat

Susan
Karen

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Feb 22, 2014 - 12:06pm PT
My daughter graduated from UC Berkeley and I loved going up there to visit. At that time there were all these young people living up in these really cool trees that the city wanted to cut down, shame though the tools kept really bright lights blaring up at the trees during the night.

I saw a lot of hippies while up there, so you people who stated you didn't see any, not sure where you were, daily some kinda rally was going on by the school.

I know this is probably yuppie but I loved the gourmet ghetto, there was an organic Mexican restaurant there to die for, best Mexican food I've ever eaten. And all around the campus were great restaurants with cheap prices, awesome ethnic food.

throwpie

Trad climber
Berkeley
Feb 22, 2014 - 12:19pm PT
It was hard to find a better time than the Dead at the Greek...only missed one, when my daughter was across town being born on 7/14/84...she was popping out right when they started the second set...Help on the Way/ Franklin's Tower
rmuir

Social climber
From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
Feb 22, 2014 - 03:27pm PT
Credit: rmuir
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Feb 22, 2014 - 06:03pm PT
This was our Byzantine Edging Temple: The Pit
Matt Sarad

climber
Feb 22, 2014 - 09:19pm PT
My brother attended Boalt Hall. When he graduated I inherited his three bedroom apartment on College Avenue. $550 a month was a steal in 1986. Spent afternoons at Indian Rock, Cragmont, and Remillard on a rotating basis.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Feb 22, 2014 - 11:53pm PT
Finally got to visit Remillard and some other rocks in the City this season. The Prow problem probably is the most fun 5.6 route in the Bay.

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