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fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 11, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
Until then, it's fun to speculate, but it is probably a waste of time to get too involved in it also.

Indeed, and not just fun but I would argue important too. Tony doesn't strike me as a nutcase. And I've known plenty of real nutcases.

I sure don't personally agree with most of the grander conspiracy scenarios but in a way I'm glad somebody is taking a skewed look at things in ways my brain just can't.

I'll look at anything. I can appreciate all of the "conspiracy" data on 9/11 and chemtrail stuff. It's interesting to me how other people think. I can see some clear mental illness in some of those people rabidly supporting those ideas but not all of them. I suspect a lot of the times there's a grain or two of truth in those 'wacky' theories. I can't conceive of organized religion. I rank it with Santa. But I've learned a lot by studying religions too.

I would suspect some kind of mental dysfunction (or shall we say... diminished function) lies on both ends of the spectrum.

On one side there are people who are unable to think for themselves and cling forever to "experts" testimony and endless published stats without recognizing their are human motivations behind all of that 'hard science'.

On the other side there are those who can't accept facts even when they've proven it to themselves. And there certainly are clinically paranoid/psychotic people too.

Each extreme is easily recognized as resolute certainty in one's beliefs. Something we're all guilty of from time to time. As humans we find some solace in the 'certain' no matter how unrealistic that may be.

Believe whatever you want, but true ignorance comes from not listening or being open to new ideas. At the very least we owe each other respect.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 11, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
Good points, Fear!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 11, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
As some of you are Al Bartlett fans, you might enjoy this denver post commentary:

http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/2013/01/08/dust-bowl-global-warming-sustainability/31901/

The physicist Freeman Dyson is said to have observed that, “Sanity is the ability to live within the laws of nature.” Tragically, insanity abounds, especially among the “well educated” leaders of Colorado.

Really, it's well educated leaders everywhere.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 11, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
Sanity is the ability to live within the laws of nature.



Fantastic! I can't wait to tell my religious friends!


They are going to be PISSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 12, 2013 - 10:32am PT
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 12, 2013 - 10:36am PT
nice to see you up early too, monolith. whatever happened to your good friend graniteclimber? can it be that he's actually off on a road trip?
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 12, 2013 - 10:43am PT
You sound a little whiny, Tony. Nice to see you starring in the 'ignorant' thread and resuming to your Tinfoil Tony role.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 12, 2013 - 10:46am PT
i guess you don't have an answer to my question. kinda makes you sound a little evasive.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 12, 2013 - 10:49am PT
I'm trying to drive you deeper into your paranoid delusions.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 12, 2013 - 10:52am PT
good one Tony. I as well think he is hiding something about the whereabouts of graniteclimber. Smooth little bit of deflection there but the latent threat of graniteclimber going on road trip to climb rocks need explaining


At length and with all possible implications explored
WBraun

climber
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:01am PT
Sanity is the ability to live within the laws of nature.

If you're insane then material nature forces you to live within it's eternal laws.

No one can escape her mortal laws, whether theist, atheist or any other definition or consciousness one wants to bond themselves to.

As we see the whole planet in general has veered far away from being in harmony with material nature and she is forcing us in so many myriad ways to come back.

The whole world has become insane in general .......


can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:11am PT
HFC you should be a wee bit more specific when it comes to names.
"As some of you are Al Bartlett fans" I had a senior moment there

that's Albert Bartlett, not Big Al (Alan) Bartlett;)
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:13am PT
you have to give monolith credit for one thing--he's not suffering from the stalking paranoia that seemed to afflict graniteclimber. he actually posts his hometown on here, a place known for decent restaurants. however, i've noticed that the platzgeist of berkeley readily spills over the city limits, and people who basically are not happy keep insisting that they are.
WTF

climber
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:15am PT
The whole world has become insane in general .......



The words you speak are wise.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:16am PT
Hum, but is it really my home town.

Tony, I'll let you know where GC is, when he's a couple blocks from you. Vectoring in now.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:17am PT
looking forward to meeting the guy. he'll be tangling with my wife, who still has not forgiven him for posting her salary on here.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:21am PT
And that's why you don't blab your personal info all over the net.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:26am PT
some of us really don't have that much to hide, son.

meanwhile, i'd like very much to make an issue of your own climbing interests, which seem to be next to nil. this is a climber's forum, you know.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:27am PT
You seem a little obsessed with me Tony, like I'm GC, or something. What's really bothering you?

I just posted the statue of liberty shot and you went off on me with your GC paranoia.

Just let it out. You'll find it's good therapy.
WBraun

climber
Jan 12, 2013 - 11:29am PT
Monolith is nothing but a main street tinfoil hat shill.

The fool believes everything mainstream media feeds him.

He's the ultimate voice of the sheeple.

Berzerkly over educated nut case ......
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