Paul Ryan's 40 14ers? About as Credible as his 2:50 Marathon


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steve shea

Nov 4, 2012 - 11:35am PT
Rick, you must be an attorney. Thanks for reupping this. I did not know what the fuss was about, now I do. I do not usually read political threads. Just remember everyone Ryan also believes a child born of rape is a gift from god. That is a disqualifier right there.

Social climber
Nov 4, 2012 - 11:39am PT

"remember everyone Ryan also believes a child born of rape is a gift from god."...


Has everyone forgotten that it's not the "GIFT" that counts...

It's the THOUGHT behind it...



Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 4, 2012 - 11:45am PT
Wait a minute, I don't see Ryan in there anywhere.


Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 4, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
What handsome men in that photo!

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 4, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
About as Credible as his 2:50 Marathon

Wait a minute, are calling Paul Ryan the Rosie Ruiz of 14ers? lol
Rick A

Boulder, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 4, 2012 - 06:50pm PT
Rosie Ruiz? She was relatively unsophisticated. Check out this article on a guy who is suspected of cheating in marathons, but how he does it, no one has figured out.

Kind of pathetic really.

Love this quote about how the cheater was discovered through internet running message boards:

Not long after McGrath began his research, he decided to go public, sort of. His medium was LetsRun, a Web site devoted to news about élite track and distance running. One of LetsRun’s salient features is its “World Famous Message Boards,” where most participants use pseudonyms, and the content quality runs the expected gamut (factual, analytical, sophomoric, inanely combative).
Rick A

Boulder, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2012 - 11:38am PT
Bumping this thread to counter the mysterious disappearance of mountain climbing/political content on the eve of the election.

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 5, 2012 - 11:54am PT
Speaking of credibility, the deep scrubbing of the original thread heard round the world brings SuperTopo's credibility into question. And quite rightly so.

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 5, 2012 - 11:59am PT
Paul Lyin' Ryan, all widow's peak and peak bragging- no peak bagging.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 5, 2012 - 12:57pm PT
If the electoral votes tie at 269 we get Romney but no Ryan!
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Latitute 33
Nov 5, 2012 - 01:22pm PT
Rick, Thanks for re-posting this (which I had missed the first time around).

The crux is:

The Ryan campaign attempted to use the Colorado 14ers in a very political (and cynical) manner to burnish Ryan's credentials in a key battleground state.

When these claims were seriously questioned (something that Ryan's campaign didn't anticipate), there was a major attempt to re-write, retract, cover-up and obfuscate.

While no-one really cares whether Ryan has climbed 3 or 40 Colorado 14ers ** (his absolutely primeval policy stances are what really concerns me), Ryan's boosters are right -- this issue says a lot about his character.

** I've only done 1 (Longs Peak)

John Butler

Social climber
SLC, Utah
Nov 5, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
I really have nothing to add... but feel compelled to have at least one post on the the BEST SUPERTOPO POLITICAL THREAD EVER...



Nov 5, 2012 - 01:29pm PT
Did he sign the registers at the summits of all the rad peaks he walked up. He's a piece of Mitt wrapped renus butter.
Whoever deleted this thread can't handle the truth that's why they destryoyed it. Censorship of any kind is wrong and un'american. It's strange though that there was political ads supporting The Romney?Ryan ticket right here on Supertopo... I hateed lookig at it but free speech and all... Dan

State of Mine
Nov 5, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
The Eiger, The Monc,

riley congrats on these summits....Eiger is 13,025 ft, Monch is 13,474 per wikipedia. not a big deal, but if ryan included 13ers as 14ers like you just did i am sure that all you puritans would crap all over him as a lier....

Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
Nov 5, 2012 - 02:46pm PT
I buy the notion that integrity matters. You should represent your achievements accurately. I like Rick.

However, to ask for a log with all sorts of statistics - that is so foreign to me. I realize that a faction of the climbing world keeps that type of data. Many of us mere mortals simply don't keep such detailed logs. I climbed the Grand Teton - not a 14ner - while pregnant in 1992. I have no photos as I lost the camera prior to reaching the lower saddle. I didn't even look for the summit register as a lightening storm was rapidly approahcing. I can't tell you the exact date I summitted, though I can describe the week and weather in a lot of detail. I can't give you the exact dates that I attempted Shasta, climbed Whitney, Rainier, ......I've climbed a few peaks many times, and don't keep any log of that.

As a younger woman I kept detailed records of running from every training run to every race with copious notes. The record keeping suddenly stops when I got hurt. I still run almost daily and I still race and do marathons. I can't tell you how many 3rd place tropies I have.

People do try to make connections with various groups of enthusiasts. I don't require proof or statistics to qualify you as someone who is also a climber, mountaineer, runner, skier, etc. If you want to take the first place trophy, don't pull a Rosie Ruiz. I don't really care if you have climbed 5 peaks or 50 peaks. That qualifies you as someone who has been in the mountains.

Not all people who have been in the mountains thinks alike. My vote isn't given to the person best qualified for the job of governing in a very divided and difficult political climate.

Of course, I haven't seen the public discussion going on in Colorado. It seems very strange to me. From afar, the candidate needs to impress me on a different dimension than athletic accomplishment to earn my vote.

Sport climber
Nov 5, 2012 - 03:29pm PT
This thread is amazing.

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 5, 2012 - 03:41pm PT
Well, I was just thinking.

If Paul Ryan did do all those peaks or some subset of them, did he use EPO? Would it be OK, since he's not a professtional? Where did he get it? Was he sponsored? Can his titles be taken?

Could this be Paul Ryan?


Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 5, 2012 - 06:28pm PT
I've been hard at work to do all the 14ers in California
My total "10", after 40 years of work,
and not sure I'll ever get to check another one off.

So ... that's one every four years or one in forty years. What's your best marathon time?


Ice climber
the ghost
Nov 5, 2012 - 06:37pm PT

Is that Lyin Ryan on the summit?
Nope, guess not, what I thought was a sedan chair is just a boulder.

Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
Nov 5, 2012 - 07:19pm PT
I posted a TR about my Whitney debacle, complete with pictures. I have summitted Rainier twice - the second time on my 50th birthday, June 26, 2007. I couldn't tell you the first time without spending a few hours looking through files. Can't tell you the date I summitted Evans. Most of my climbing records consist of month and year for the first time I attempted a climb, then a note on lead, toproute, dogged, stick clipped, grudge, or other term to describe of success/failure. I might subsequently note when I finally did it free, and the style may still have been completely laughable. My best marathon was 3:10:06 sometime in the 1990's - one of my Boston marathons.

Perhaps I am just not as compulsive about these things, and therefore I don't care if someone has climbed 1 or 40 14ners. It doesn't qualify them for office.

I would much rather dwell on the public legislative, service, and professional record when determining who I vote for. I don't care if they are Catholic, Mormon, a climber, a runner, a smoker, married, divorced, etc. All people are imperfect. I have no one issue litmus test. I pay much more attention to what people actually did.

And unfortunately neither ticket presented me with a perfect candidate for President and Vice President. I feel much like the 60 Minutes piece showed yesterday - very disappointed that the parties will not work together for the common good. If I have a litmus test, that would be it. Show me that you dwelled on what you can do and that you will work across the aisle for the benefit of the country and not just your party. Can you have a conversation about the issues without labelling everything as Democrat or Republicn? Where is the win-win? Why is everything a win-lose proposition?

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