Paul Ryan's 40 14ers? About as Credible as his 2:50 Marathon


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Wade Icey

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Nov 3, 2012 - 03:29pm PT
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Big Mike

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Nov 3, 2012 - 03:55pm PT
It's funny some of you old farts treat this place like some sort of golden chalice where everything you say is being keep away for future generations.

It is. It's already inspiring us in this current day and age and hopefully will inspire others...

Hey Goat what happened to you on the Kovar thread??????

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vagabond movin on
Nov 3, 2012 - 04:56pm PT
It's funny some of you old farts treat this place like some sort of golden chalice where everything you say is being keep away for future generations. This website is meant to sell guidebooks to mouth breathers getting into the sport, nothing more, nothing less.

It may have been meant to only sell guidebooks...but this virtual community has forced me to think more for myself than any other site I've been. I rarely post but over the years have studiously read very interesting ideas of current events. This site is MORE than just selling guidebooks. You very well know that. More than likely, that was not the intention...but the Taco is a wonderful place where censorship really jeopardizes its true value. CMac can do what he pleases but this campfire is bigger than all of us. The climbing porn is pretty sweet too!

Trad climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 05:20pm PT
I am not Ryan supporter. I think he is bat sh#t crazy and has been caught lying and stretching the truth on multiple occasions. I am about as much of a wacky liberal as you could find; however, I am having a hard time piling onto the 14er naysayer band wagon.

I lived in CO most of the 90ís. For a few years I was really into hiking and scrambling the 14ers. Even at that time I could not have told you how many I had climbed or how many repeats I had done. I just wanted to find cool routes and fun snow board descents. Now I would guess I have done close to 20, maybe up to half of the peaks. I did repeats on quite a few, either turned back before the summit, different routes, different seasons or with a different group that wanted to do a particular hike. I might be able to get a close tally if I had my guide books open, but probably not with just a list of peak names. I donít see it as unusual if someone could not remember the exact number of summits they had done over a much longer period going back to when they were fairly young. I donít think it is that extreme to think someone could rack up 30 peaks without a serious effort. Some of the hikes are pretty short, or the summits are close enough that you can tag 2 or 3 in a day. If you spent a week a summer in CO for 10 years and went for 2 long hikes per year you could get up quite a few mountains. Especially if you went for the trade routes on the easy peaks.

I am sure some on this site can remember how many routes in Yosemite they have done, and even move by move beta through a crux. I have completed climbs and gone to mark a comment in my guide book only to see I had done it a year or two before. These things just don't stick in my brain that well.

My gut tells me that Paul is exaggerating his numbers a bit, and trying to change his story now, but not every person who has hiked a 14er in CO can recount the exact total.

PS. I voted early for Obama yesterday. Hopefully be next weekend this really won't matter.

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chingadero de chula vista
Nov 3, 2012 - 05:21pm PT
Some guy at the SuperTopo forum has a closer look at the peaks Ryan claimed to have mastered:

Ryan told me last week that Capitol and nearby Pyramid Peak (14,018 feet) are his favorite climbs so far.

This is an excerpt from the Denver Post opinion piece on Ryan that discussed his claim of climbing 40 Colorado fourteeners. (...)

Capitol Peak's famous "Knife Ridge", a solid but exposed third/fourth class ridge, is a negligible passage for an experienced rock climber, but would be formidable and very scary for a non-climber. When I climbed it with a very fit partner, but who had little rock climbing experience, I brought a nine mil rope and some nuts and belayed across it. I haven't done Pyramid, but Dawson's authoritative guide cautions about tricky route finding and extremely loose rock. The consensus is that Pyramid and Capitol are two of the most dangerous fourteeners, and this is especially true for novices.

Since the Romney/Ryan campaign has chosen to make his fourteener claims a central part of their campaign to win the state's electoral votes by portraying him as a Coloradan at heart and not really a "flatlander," some climbing fact checking is in order. With whom did he climb them? Was he guided on any of them (this would be prudent on Pyramid and Capitol for any novice)?.

What out-of-state fourteener enthusiast would climb these routes without a camera? It would be highly unusual if there were not photos of him standing triumphantly on Capitol and Pyramid (his "favorite climbs"), if he in fact climbed them as is claimed.

from here


Trad climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
So I just did a count of the peaks I could remember climbing from an internet list and got 16 peaks. Then I dug out an old guidebook and had 24 checked. I could not even remember where La Plata peaks was, but once I looked it up in my old Dawsonís guide I remembered that the Ellingwood ridge was about the scariest think I had ever done. I almost got run over by an elk doing the approach through the forest before sunrise.

With camera phones and digital images I would be surprised if someone summited today without a picture. Being a broke Boulder burner in the 90ís, I know that after paying to develop a few rolls of crappy mountain pictures that all looked the same I either forgot to pack a camera or didnít want the weight on a lot of the peaks. A lot of those pictures have probably been lost during moves by now.

Does every Yosemite climber have a picture from every route they climbed? Once I got a digital camera I probably do, but not when film and developing was expensive.

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Can't get here from there
Nov 3, 2012 - 06:33pm PT

March on Rick.

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Nov 3, 2012 - 06:36pm PT
I don't think I've climbed more than about 14 of the 14ers, and would struggle to write down the whole list -- most were a long time ago.

But if a reporter asked me to talk about some of the best or worst, I'd be delighted start in. Wouldn't most of us? Ryan's unwillingness to give any details at all -- "read the transcript" -- strikes such a false note.

On Mt. Sneffels and Castle Peak back in 1967:


Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 3, 2012 - 07:15pm PT
Mt. Elbert (14,433 - second highest peak continental US) is accessible via a trail that can be run (round trip about 7 miles).

So since Mr. Ryan can do 7 minute miles on the flat for 3 hours, then how many times could he run up Mr. Elbert in a day?

If he averaged 12 minutes per mile.
He could have slammed out 17 of his peaks in one 24 hour stretch.
Two days of this and he's got 34 in the bag.

Wait, I think this is him


Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 3, 2012 - 08:44pm PT
Have you climbed as many fourteeners as Paul Ryan?Ē a reporter asked Democratic Congressman Ed Perlmutter. The Golden Democrat said he has not

I suspect I have, but we'll never know. I'd be really surprised if he's run as many of them as I have.

But, as a non collector, like him, I dont have photos or records, of most of them.
But I do have on from the summit of my third (longs, keyhole up, cables down) when I was thirteen.

Edit: technical difficulties, I've posted the photo before here. I thought it was in the taco library. But it must be on photobucket, which I am searching, on and off on my phone. Will get it there eventually

......or it's a conspiracy......

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 3, 2012 - 09:19pm PT
jaybro (hint - the photo isn't showing up).


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100% Canadian
Nov 3, 2012 - 09:23pm PT
CMac is making a fortune getting paid off with campaign funds to Bury these threads
Phantom X

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Honeycomb Hideout
Nov 3, 2012 - 09:33pm PT
Paul Ryan has downgraded Super Chicken to 5.6 and will chop any bolts added by Rick A.
The Warbler

the edge of America
Nov 3, 2012 - 09:43pm PT
Rick A? Who's that?

Never heard of him...

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Nov 3, 2012 - 10:00pm PT

Great song, Rick!
(but I still can't sing). . .


State of Mine
Nov 3, 2012 - 10:01pm PT
wow, this thread is pathetic! you guys should be proud of the most pathetic f*#king losers that ever graced the intardnet! way to go.

Social climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
hey there say, rick... thanks for sharing--very interesting to hear all the climber news on this...
you all have walked the walk--well--climbed the climbs, better said...learned a lot from all you all, as to the climbing world...

say, chiloe, as to this picture, GREAT picture, thanks for sharing...

On Mt. Sneffels and Castle Peak back in 1967

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 4, 2012 - 12:43am PT
Update: I found the photo of my dad and I on top of longs, but photobucket is being pissy about letting me post it here . I did get it onto my phone And Facebook.
I think the Romney machine is behind it

Photo is here;

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 4, 2012 - 06:46am PT
wow, this thread is pathetic! you guys should be proud of the most pathetic f*#king losers that ever graced the intardnet! way to go.

Well since CockEye has barfed in this thread now has the stench of the pathetic.

What's the matter, your cod piece too big for your teeny package. If you loathe this thread so much why post to it? Now that is pathetic. You are an arrogantly opinionated pathetic little man.

What exactly didn't President Obama do for you to make you such a bitter boi? Were you unaware that he was a bit occupied saving America from the disastrous eight years of Bushboi's neo-con agenda?

CockEye's ST contributions; No trip reports, no climbing photos, no climbing related posts, no substance. His cause celebre' seems to be Obama Bashing. And yet he feels we are pathetic.

steve shea

Nov 4, 2012 - 11:35am PT
Rick, you must be an attorney. Thanks for reupping this. I did not know what the fuss was about, now I do. I do not usually read political threads. Just remember everyone Ryan also believes a child born of rape is a gift from god. That is a disqualifier right there.
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