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donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 29, 2012 - 11:26am PT

Last I heard, this was a climber's forum. On the front page are currently several really excellent climbing trip reports......just what this forum should be about. They won't stay there long because most here don't post on them.
Political and religious threads get thousands of posts....how about a movement to support the really good work people put into climbing trip reports!

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Oct 29, 2012 - 11:37am PT

I respond... but I feel my best response is to reciprocate by putting up more of my own Trip Reports...

acknowledging a TR can be an exercise in trite politeness... but it is essential in this Forum format for keeping the TR on or near the "front page"

Here is a heartfelt question about "why write a TR" I wrote 6 years ago...

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=281723

Mark Hudon

Trad climber

Hood River, OR

Oct 29, 2012 - 11:38am PT

Absolutely!

Rudyj2

Trad climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 11:41am PT

I am in.

bob

climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 11:42am PT

Big thumbs up.

climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Oct 29, 2012 - 11:45am PT

I try to reply to most TRs because I really do appreciate them. All of them regardless the climb involved. From buildering to Baffin Island. Something done 50 years ago or yesterday. It really is one of the best things about the Taco.

Plus I know people like getting a little acknowledgement for their effort.

It can seem repetitive to keep basically saying TFPU. I try to find something I like most in the TR to comment on. It's worthwhile I think.

One point though.... Supertopo is in my mind the Virtual Campfire.. It all belongs just like the conversations that have gone on around campfires for millennia. Climbing should be the core and It's definitely good to keep the climbing content bumped

10b4me

Ice climber

dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel

Oct 29, 2012 - 11:49am PT

I wrote a tr once, but only got five responses. I will be writing a new one after this coming weekends trip

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Oct 29, 2012 - 11:50am PT

NO Dr. F, there ISN'T.

19,988 to go....

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Oct 29, 2012 - 11:51am PT

Talking about climbing is like talking about......................................................the weather.
But I like to talk about that too.

Seamstress

Trad climber

Yacolt, WA

Oct 29, 2012 - 11:55am PT

Yes. And I have contributed a couple of trip reports, even when the trip didn't go so well. I am far from the cutting edge and know that people aren't really interested in my little adventures. But I do obsessively read any trip report about a climb that I am planning on, especially when travel to the climb is involved. For those once in a lifetime or decade climbs, the trip reports are very helpful in preparation. For someone with very limited abilities, every climb is an adventure, even with lots of preparation.

SCseagoat

Trad climber

Santa Cruz

Oct 29, 2012 - 11:56am PT

Trip reports are by far my favorite reading. They share excitement, enthusiasm, and some, how to get up and do it again when you've been knocked senseless.

Many of the TRs are way above my pay grade so I usually do not comment on the technical aspect, or have the same experience to respond with "oh, man, isn't that 7th pitch a kicker"....but I always try to express my gratitutde in having vicariously enjoyed a rollicking good time.

I equally enjoy the TRs that are about other adventures in the grand scheme of living life well and enjoying it.

TRs take alot of time to post, the narrative and sorting out the pics. Thanks much to those of you that do...you brigten my day!

Susan

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Oct 29, 2012 - 12:02pm PT

I've posted TR's.

Not much climbing lately, busted knee dislocates when I torque it wrong.

I'll post more TR's when I'm comfortable tweaking my right leg in ways that allow for climbing worthy of a Trip Report.

TwistedCrank

climber

Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho

Oct 29, 2012 - 12:05pm PT

How many ways can you say "Awesome. TFPU!"

How many times can you stand to read "That was great. Thanks"

If I need a TR, they're below the forum list (See "Recent Trip Report and Articles"). It's a climbers forum, not a climbing forum. Pff.

If I need some retarded nonsense, I'll scan the forums. It's a climbers forum, not a climbing forum. Pff.

If I need videos of cute kittens, I'll go to YouTube. Pff.

RP3

Big Wall climber

El Portal/Chapel Hill

Oct 29, 2012 - 12:05pm PT

As a non-contributor to the political threads, I believe TRs are the best part of this forum. I try to reply to every one I read, even if all I am saying is "KUDOS". Having people reply to your TR feels good, and to see it get buried in a bunch of non-climbing threads feels lame.

We should encourage to writers of TR's to keep doing what they do because it is WAY more in keeping with the spirit of a CLIMBING forum than endlessly debating whether Republicans are wrong about everything.

Ghost

climber

A long way from where I started

Oct 29, 2012 - 12:07pm PT

Yes, I've posted TRs. And yes, I comment on other folks' TRs. But not all TRs are great, and if TRs were the only content on ST, then ST would die virtually overnight.

The hard-core political & religious threads are pretty stupid, but there are hundreds of threads about other things -- everything from aviation to zoology -- many of which are interesting and fun.

As Dingus said, it's fun to occasionally drop in on the politard-fests and poke the anthill with a stick (the ants then scurry around in ever-so-predictable circles), but I wouldn't miss them if they were gone. I would miss the rest, though.

nita

Social climber

chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.

Oct 29, 2012 - 12:14pm PT

Yes, but not very often, although i do read many of them.
They do get read... The replies to the trip reports can be low, but the view numbers are usually high.

edit :ydpl8s.. ppffff....what ever...

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Oct 29, 2012 - 12:15pm PT

Ghost and I like to talk about the merits of various Green Chile, of which I have a large fresh stash inbound from a secret location between AZ,TX and CO........

Prod

Trad climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 12:23pm PT

All the time.

Prod.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Oct 29, 2012 - 12:30pm PT

Locker, it's pretty easy to post those old TR's of yours over to the dept of TR's join the fun.

Big Mike

Trad climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 12:32pm PT

I read them, write em, post to em.... I find it funny that people have trouble figuring out what to express.. For me I find when I actually take the time to read it, usually I will identify with something they wrote or enjoy one or more of their pics... It's usually more interesting than the politard mess, but everything has its place..

mouse from merced

Trad climber

The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.

Oct 29, 2012 - 12:36pm PT

Donini, be honest, you are stirring sh#t.

I mean, look at how evenly divided we are. I tell ya, I gotta TR on the Climber's Festival, but it's disguised as just a regular post on a regular thread. (Oh, the things they told on Jim.)

One needs to be inventive if one wishes to keep his Schlepping up the Turd Pillar or the East Buttress of MCR to the top of the page. It gets wearisome. We eventually tire of reading of our own brilliance, but only after the initial riot of "Dude, oh"s is quelled by exposure to fresh air.

Prod

Trad climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 12:38pm PT

Locker is as bad as a whiny 13 year old school girl....

Prod.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Oct 29, 2012 - 12:44pm PT

So easy to blame others for the front page blues.

But Jim, your lack of posting TRs is one part of the problem, and I have also put up numerous TRs that you didn't post to.

So just fess up that you're part of the problem....
http://www.supertopo.com/tr/Last-Train-To-Clarksville-With-Jeremy-Dia-De-Los-Diablo/t11259n.html

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Oct 29, 2012 - 12:46pm PT

well. yeah.

Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber

Old and Broken Down in Appalachia

Oct 29, 2012 - 12:47pm PT

TR are the best part of this forum

this just in

climber

north fork

Oct 29, 2012 - 12:49pm PT

Yes, I post on Trip Reports. Really appreciate those who take the time to share their pictures and adventures.

Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber

San Francisco

Oct 29, 2012 - 01:05pm PT

Jon's TR about a trip to Pakistan is fantastic!

RyanD

climber

Squamish

Oct 29, 2012 - 01:09pm PT

Yes, TRs are the best. I try to post to as many as I can.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

-A race of corn eaters

Oct 29, 2012 - 01:27pm PT

SLR wrote,

TR are the best part of this forum

Damn straight.

.....

EDIT

No, to the other guy.

Cheers.

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Oct 29, 2012 - 01:29pm PT

So, bump your favorite TR's.

Here's mine;

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=619917&msg=619917

I used to post as Ricardo Cabeza, now I'm just me, Brandon.

mike m

Trad climber

black hills

Oct 29, 2012 - 01:30pm PT

Post to others, but quit writing them as it is not too productive towards seeing more climbing related matetial on this site. Starting threads seems to do a better job. If people wrote their trs on a related thread it might do more good toward this end, but not much.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Oct 29, 2012 - 01:31pm PT

Sure. But there is truth to the idea that sometimes there just isn't much to say beyond "nice job".

But I also see it from the other side, because I write TRs on a semi regular basis, a couple a year at least. And it's nice to get some feedback and acknowledgement beyond the simple number page views.

I'll also admit that I only read about half the TRs that are posted. Sometimes seeing that they keep getting bumped by people commenting to them will spur me to read it and see what all the hubub is about. These are usually for wall trade routes or moderate classic free climbs...typically routes that I've both climbed and read numerous trip reports of, so don't have a natural curiosity about.

briham89

Big Wall climber

san jose, ca

Oct 29, 2012 - 01:35pm PT

Hell yeah I love TRs. Some people put a lot of time into them too; how hard is it to write a two second comment on something someone put a lot of time into?

phylp

Trad climber

Millbrae, CA

Oct 29, 2012 - 01:36pm PT

Absolutely!

Putting together a TR is a lot of work. People aren't doing it to spray - they do it to contribute to a sense of community.

It's ridiculous to see a TR with 400 reads and 8 responses.

Peoples main concern seems to be about repetition. Chris tried to address this with the Facebook "like" button, but just because I like a TR doesn't mean I want to share it on my Facebook page.

I try to say something unique but if my imagination fails me, the fall-back position is just to be genuine. Sometimes "Thanks" is enough. It's pretty fast to scroll past as a reader but to the OP the repetition has meaning.

Phyl

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Oct 29, 2012 - 01:36pm PT

I post on lots of TR's -- partly as a sort of penance for my prolific posting on political threads, but also because I genuinely appreciate the trip reports. The real problem in keeping a trip report on the front page is that they seldom engender discussion, only assent (so to speak).

John

ydpl8s

Trad climber

Santa Monica, California

Oct 29, 2012 - 01:45pm PT

**Yes, but not very often, although i do read many of them.
They do get read... The replies to the trip reports can be low, but the view numbers are usually high. Nita**

Yes, the replies are low and the view numbers are high because "we're not worthy"

mouse from merced

Trad climber

The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.

Oct 29, 2012 - 01:46pm PT

Be honest. Be sincere. Like these.

(Phylyp, I'm sorry, I couldn't resist a titch of humor. Sometimes even the biggest and best TRs get hung out there and don't get the attention they merit. They need to be handled with proper enthusiasm, but sometimes you just aren't in the mood.)

rgold

Trad climber

Poughkeepsie, NY

Oct 29, 2012 - 01:52pm PT

More of us should use our god-given right to bump. We don't have to mouth real or acronymic platitudes if we have nothing much to say, just bump the thing and say, "bump for a worthy TR." That includes bumping old stuff we enjoyed too---the only one who does this now is Steve Grossman and it would be nice if the rest of us joined in. How many cool things did you miss the first time around that Steve later bumped into your consciousness?

DanaB

climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 01:55pm PT

an exercise in trite politeness

Perhaps. But despite seeming quaint and, at times, a bit pretentious, manners are all we have left

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Oct 29, 2012 - 02:03pm PT

Those are some weird looking manatees....

Edit; no sh#t, DR F. Sarcasm is lost in text.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Oct 29, 2012 - 02:16pm PT

Way to troll and bail Jim. Did this help?

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 02:25pm PT

Not bailing survival, kind of said my part. I do think that ST is more than just climbing, but I think that the climbing part sometimes gets short shrift for what was meant to be a "climbing forum."

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 02:31pm PT

That's right Ron, and climbers have a lot to say and there are plenty of places on the internet to expound on any possible subject. Just saying that climbing related threads need a little help from their friends.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Oct 29, 2012 - 02:31pm PT

Well Jim, you didn't respond to my comment about your lack of TRs or posting to all of everyone else's TRs to keep em up front either.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 02:35pm PT

Survival, I don't post as many trs as some but I think that I'm a little bit above average in that regard. My thread is mostly about supporting trs, and I know that I am far above the curve in that area.
I also put up quite a few threads that, while not trs, are climbing related.

My posting is erratic because I am often out of the country or out climbing.

Mungeclimber

Trad climber

the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.

Oct 29, 2012 - 02:39pm PT

yes, more pics and shiz

Pcutler

climber

Iowa

Oct 29, 2012 - 02:42pm PT

Hell yea! the primary reason I log onto the taco is to read trip reports when I need a little stoke. Not all of us are lucky enough to have world class climbing in your back yard... ie those of you who live in California (about 90% of the posters on this sight!)

I even write TR's from time to time - though they are insignificant exploits compared to you all!

As a person who primarily lurks around here I almost never bump any threads - good call on bumping TR's, will do from now on!

RyanD

climber

Squamish

Oct 29, 2012 - 02:56pm PT

FAROUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Write us a TR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will bump your TR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wil say:

"Nice TR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope you get your sling back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

splitter

Trad climber

Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane

Oct 29, 2012 - 02:59pm PT

I have a TR written in my head. It is really bitchin (.12c/undercling, prollie much harder cuz it has had only 2-3 ascents in 30+ years, and many fails by .12+/.13 onsight trad climbers! I was one of the few that have done it (like 20+ years ago).

But, I'm convinced I still could do it (so fu.ck you/cuz, i know what yer thinkin')! ;)

edit: I will be sure to take pics, and maybe even a vid of the crux when i go for it. I'll title it "Old Fart Sends Desperate Undercling" lol

Michelle

Trad climber

Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.

Oct 29, 2012 - 03:39pm PT

Not sure this crowd wants to read about my light duty adventures, so no, I don't write them. Maybe I will. I read the ones people take time to write.

I have NEVER opened that wrawae or any political or religiosity oriented thread. I avoid that campfire.

Sorry Jim, but this gripe has been logged, multiple times since the beginning.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 03:45pm PT

Michelle, climbing isn't about the numbers it's about the experience...now this is an order, post a tr. Yeah this has been done before, unfortunately, repititious threads like this aren't needed to keep the religious/political threads front and center.

Michelle

Trad climber

Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.

Oct 29, 2012 - 03:56pm PT

Roger that sir.

Fletcher

Trad climber

Fumbling towards stone

Oct 29, 2012 - 03:59pm PT

Preaching to the choir...

Now, you kids, get off my lawn! :-)

Eric

Big Mike

Trad climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 04:00pm PT

Farouk was probably too busy with the rescue to make it!!

Stevee B

Mountain climber

Oakland, CA

Oct 29, 2012 - 04:00pm PT

Every time I log in first thing I do is scan for the [TR] tag.

Never opened a politics or religion thread.

The Call Of K2 Lou

climber

Squamish

Oct 29, 2012 - 04:02pm PT

I read the trip reports, and because I've done nothing nearly as cool, I get all jealous and resentful. (Wink wink, nudge nudge.)

Besides, isn't the proper use of this wondrous medium we call the internet to spew one's misguided and shortsighted political views? (Oh, and pornography of course.)

roy

Social climber

NZ -> SB,CA -> Zurich

Oct 29, 2012 - 05:14pm PT

The TRs are pretty good - often a different point of view irrespective of the climbing level. People telling stories about something significant to them is almost always worth the time. And if I've read one I bump it. Cheers, Roy

Anastasia

climber

InLOVEwithAris.

Oct 29, 2012 - 05:18pm PT

I love TRs! I really enjoy them, especially from the Mommy trenches. I live vicariously and happily through them. Plus it helps me not forget to get myself back out there... It is so dang pretty!

micronut

Trad climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 05:21pm PT

Werkin' on one from this weekend as we speak. Yall better post up if ya reed it!

nutjob

Gym climber

Berkeley, CA

Oct 29, 2012 - 05:22pm PT

Hey Donini, can you keep this clutter to a minimum?
I'm trying to find TRs and threads like this just bump them down!

I couldn't resist :)

I don't get out as much as I'd like, but I try to do my part (32 in the TR format, and who knows how many lost in EtherSpace just written as normal discussion threads):
http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_tripreports.php?dcid=Oz47PjU6PyU,

mouse from merced

Trad climber

The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.

Oct 29, 2012 - 05:42pm PT

HAHAAHHAHHAHAHHAHHHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAH!

i HOPE YOU GOT YER SLING BACK................................

TARGET DESTROYED!

Jennie

Trad climber

Elk Creek, Idaho

Oct 29, 2012 - 05:53pm PT

Some superlative trip reports have appeared on ST in the last few months...including some beautiful ones in the Tetons.

"Thank you's" and "good job" may mean little to other readers...but posts of gratitude DO mean something to the creators.

Fletcher

Trad climber

Fumbling towards stone

Oct 29, 2012 - 05:53pm PT

What DMT said! Sometimes the random stuff is not so random and can get quite interesting.

Micronut: the trailer for the TR has be chomping at the bit. I can that one's gonna be a must read!

Eric

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Oct 29, 2012 - 05:55pm PT

OK DMT! I read you loud and clear (just how I can't explain, it's got something to do with cross-firing in the cochlear nuclei and the inferior colliculus with the gyrus fornicatus, diencephalon, and mesencephalon.

Away we go

In 1814 we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip.
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we caught the bloody British in the town of New Orleans

this part is know as the chorus, I think that's Latin

We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin.
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they began to runnin' on
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

We looked down the river and we see'd the British come.
And there must have been a hundred of'em beatin' on the drum.
They stepped so high and they made the bugles ring.
We stood by our cotton bales and didn't say a thing.

Anyway I have posted on Trip Reports and also have occasionally drifted off topic (just far enough so's I could say I'd been there).

Oh yeah, can we just have trip reports button?

Fletcher

Trad climber

Fumbling towards stone

Oct 29, 2012 - 06:04pm PT

"Thank you's" and "good job" may mean little to other readers...but posts of gratitude DO mean something to the creators.

Yes, that is spot on Jennie. Those acknowledgements, as simple as they are, do go a long way. I'd say if you read and appreciate a TR, that's the minimum you can do (and it's certainly not a minimum thing for most TR writers). And feel free to add more if inspired!

Agree there have been a lot of kick ass TR's lately, of many ilks; have enjoyed them all. Get creative and let your freak flag fly (like I have to ask for the latter part!).

Eric

MH2

climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 07:04pm PT

More of us should use our god-given right to bump

Huh?

This is a climbers' forum? About climbing? What per cent? And how much Canadian content?

Yes, I have posted on a climbing TR. Honestly.

Big Mike

Trad climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 07:18pm PT

Dmt has a good point about not worrying if comments in the tr get a little off topic. Every message is a bump!! Also running Tr's seem to be the rage right now... See Marks last one or my Cali thread. That thread may have been a lot of effort but one of the best parts was coming home and reading it again!!!

MH2

climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 07:21pm PT

Locker,

How long has it been since you ate a donut? If more than 24 hours, take 2 donuts ASAP. If you don't feel better in 15 minutes then go to the nearest ER.

Big Mike

Trad climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 07:29pm PT

Locker we want a donut tr!! Get writing !!!!

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Oct 29, 2012 - 08:08pm PT

lol @ this retarded thread being on top.

BUMP!

OldEric

Trad climber

Westboro, MA

Oct 29, 2012 - 08:17pm PT

You want more emphasis on climbing threads? You have 3 choices:

1. Post more on the ones that qualify - according to your criteria.
2. Post less on the ones that don't.
3. Implement categories to make it more convenient for those who don't want to wade through the morass - a convenience - sort of like fixed gear and anchors - which ironically is something the OP frequently rants about.

Otherwise what you have is the raw face of the climbing community - DMT's "tribe" that he is so fond of of idolizing - gives one pause - or maybe not...

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 09:50pm PT

Eric, I have expounded on the subject of anchors but, dear me, I don't think that "rant" would be a descriptive verb for my efforts.

Captain...or Skully

climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 10:00pm PT

expound=rant

It's perspective, man. It's ALL Perspective.

Mark Hudon

Trad climber

Hood River, OR

Oct 29, 2012 - 10:08pm PT

As a writer of TRs, I appreciate every single comment and TFPUs. As a reader of TRs, I know the writer probbably appreciates any and all comments so I try to post something.
I enjoy reading about anyone's psych to be out in our beautiful world and write about it.

MisterE

Social climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 10:08pm PT

Of course. Many times.

It's the bitter ex-climbers that have chosen to put their lack-of-climbing angst into the golden vessel of political and religious rants that don't, methinks.

climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Oct 29, 2012 - 10:17pm PT

Hmm Werner could post a car repair TR.. that would be cool

Little tour of the Yosemite garage

On second thought .. NVM it would only have one line

American cars are stuuupid!!

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Oct 29, 2012 - 10:21pm PT

Was that the fake Cosmic...? Didn't seem sleazy enough..? Sleazeball-rottingjohnny

Captain...or Skully

climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 10:25pm PT

If you make me spill my beer again, climbski2, we're gonna have words. ;-)

MisterE

Social climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 10:27pm PT

"Well we fired our cannons
till the barrels melted down.
We grabbed an aligator
and we poured another round
we filled its mouth with cannon balls
and powdered it's behind.
and when we set the powder of
the gator lost it's mind"

Things that make you say:

"Hmmm..."

johntp

Trad climber

socal

Oct 29, 2012 - 10:31pm PT

Okay, I've posted similar sentiment a number of times and get beat down every time. I'll do it one more time and wait for the hate posts.

Good climbing related threads are continuously dropped off the page because of political threads. The site needs to create a separate arena for political threads, like there are for gear reviews, etc. Seeing good TRs and climbing threads drop off to see more political spew (for the 40,000th time) which will not change anyone of the participants viewpoints only dilutes this forum's reason for existance.

MisterE

Social climber

Oct 29, 2012 - 10:34pm PT

Chill out man - just a few more days and the sycophants stop frothing.

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Oct 29, 2012 - 10:38pm PT

You forgot a verse zBrown

Technicially, I omitted that verse. Outa kindness. I have Ostrich cowboy boots, but have never worn nor harmed an alligator.

How does an Ostrich become a cowboy you ask? Pretty much the same way Bille became a goat.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 10:40pm PT

Sorry Mr E, but the political/religious threads have a life without end.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2012 - 10:46pm PT

Hell Kevin, seems like yesterday...I believe it was Bragg. John and I climbed together a couple of months ago.
I'll be in Cohise's Stronghold with Tackle 11/12 to 11/19, come visit....not so far from SoCal.

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Oct 29, 2012 - 10:47pm PT

Can't we just have a political, science, God, Halloween, pictures telling stories, songs being heard, climate change, flames, enjoying life, troll, trollette, surfing, watching him die, SUP, gun, happy birthday Herr Braun, my computer has a hole in it, tractor, earthquake, pantyhose, hippie lettuce, voting, hs sports, hand cramp, Mr. C.W. Jones appreciation, handsaw, chain saw, massacre(s), aerobic, finger treatment, zombies, spam, sobriety, trout fishing, DA BRIM, button?