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Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Oct 17, 2012 - 11:47am PT
From Galen Rowell's "Hetch Hetchy: First Impressions" (1970):

I lay alone on the ledge watching the sunrise change the murky shadows across the valley into bold relief. As I looked across at the steep cliffs, I thought to myself that this could just as easily be Yosemite as Hetch Hetchy. Upon looking down, I suddenly realized how different things were. I saw no roads, buildings, or campfire smoke. I heard no motors, shouts or horns honking. I only gazed at a large dark pool of water, rippling quietly in the respective location where thousands of people swarm in Yosemite. I tried to reassure my old beliefs by repeating to myself, "Hetch Hetchy was ruined; Yosemite Valley was saved. Hetch Hetchy was ruined; Yosemite Valley. . ."
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 17, 2012 - 11:50am PT
Right so I see the desire but what I don't see and have never seen is a workable proposal backed by people who are capable and resourceful enough to defeat legacy water rights and the toughest water politicians in the land.

DMT
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Oct 17, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
Dingus, now may be the time. Prop F in San Francisco would create a task force to formulate a plan.

The Restore Hetch Hetchy group links to several previous studies and has the basic outline of what it feels is a workable solution. See my link above.
miwuksurfer

Social climber
Mi-Wuk
Oct 17, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
D E S A L I N A T I O N
QITNL

climber
Oct 22, 2012 - 02:42am PT
jaaan

Trad climber
Chamonix, France
Oct 22, 2012 - 03:42am PT
That's a great quote Clint. I knew I'd read something like that somewhere, but hadn't realised that it was Rowell.
throwpie

Trad climber
Berkeley
Oct 22, 2012 - 11:03am PT
If Hetch Hetchy lake was caused by an ancient rockslide, we would all have "Keep Hetch Hetchy Blue" bumper stickers on our cars.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2012 - 03:28am PT
bumpity bump, like I said I would.

There are some good posts on this thread about the viability of draining Hetch Hetchy and removing the dam, and indeed what if Hetch Hetchy Reservoir was actually a lake created thousands of years ago. But... that latter notion is a bit disingenuous, as it wasn't and was man created for San Francisco, BTW a town I love, have worked in, played football/soccer in and partied in.

I still say it should be 'freed' to its original state or as nearest as can be. Funding? Yep, a good point by some.
Silver

Ice climber
Oct 25, 2012 - 05:39am PT
I could give two cat shits about San Francisco. I guess we will learn how progressive these people are come voting day, but I will assume that over 90% of voters will not have been to Hetchy and could care less abut a dam and only about the water they drink.





Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Oct 25, 2012 - 05:52am PT
It will never happen in my view, SF giving up a good fresh and reliable water source for some coastal foul tasting muddy lake water, most of which would surely have to come from the Delta...besides what DMT said up thread, which reminds me of what Mark Twaine said in his time, "whiskey's for drinking and water is for fighting over." So true in the dry Southwest.
Silver

Ice climber
Oct 25, 2012 - 05:59am PT
Except San franfreeko isn't in the south west and they can drink dirty pond water for all I care.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Oct 25, 2012 - 06:33am PT
Silver, the entire state of CA is tied together in terms of water supply and distribution. SF may not think of themselves as the dry Southwest but they're joined at the hip to the region.
Silver

Ice climber
Oct 25, 2012 - 06:43am PT
Charlie we can debate western water all day long but we could skip all that and just get to the bottom line.

There are too many people in California period. You're overpopulated and while yes the weather is nice and you have some great scenery it is apparent to me there are just too many people living in the state and you have reached the tipping point and its only going down hill from now on.


We here in northern Nevada are banking on the fact that more an more of you will finally realize that Cali is a loser and leave for a better quality of living.

Silver

Ice climber
Oct 25, 2012 - 07:10am PT
Dingus

I should have wrote some not we.

I'm not banking on it but we seem to be attracting a lot of your people none the less.

Apple just started building the cloud and I tunes facility here so.....

It's a start.

Edit

I would also bet my left nut on the fact that if we had a better education system and less gaming and the scourge that's associated with gaming many more companies and people would be moving here quicker. Change takes time and as we evolve from gaming and construction based economy to a more stable economic base we will see more of you than we ever wanted to see.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Oct 25, 2012 - 07:26am PT
"You're overpopulated and while yes the weather is nice and you have some great scenery it is apparent to me there are just too many people living in the state"

Brilliant observation! If so many of the folks who moved here stayed at home, then just maybe this place could have been kind of nice. But nooooo anytime the going gets tough in one messed up place or another, ya'll move out here. But my family moved here too, over 100 years ago for the same reason's. I see lic. plates from all the usual California hating places like TX or TN or GASP!!!111 NV. I'm all for self-deportation

khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Oct 25, 2012 - 07:44am PT
It will never happen in my view, SF giving up a good fresh and reliable water source for some coastal foul tasting muddy lake water

HH stores less than 25% of SF's water. Emphasis on stores. They can still have the water, just put it somewhere else before you flush it into the bay.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 25, 2012 - 08:56am PT
Except San franfreeko isn't in the south west and they can drink dirty pond water for all I care.

yep, that sentiment will have a convincing effect!
Silver

Ice climber
Oct 25, 2012 - 09:23am PT
I'm actually concerned that draining it will make Hetchy a better place After all this time. will lichen grow on the rocks again will life thrive on a floor of fine sediment. Will the life that once thrived there return?

It would be awesome if we just turned into one huge bass lake full of bass and lots of jet skis and ski boats and once a year we had a drag boat race........

Every spring sh#t loads of college girls showed up to party on house boats and did I mention we could actually swim in it, and pee in it if you wanted to pee in it and......

Can't say

Are you picking up the U Haul now or later?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 8, 2012 - 10:42am PT
As I predicted the hypocritical San Fran liberals have decided they don't
give a damn about Hetch Hetchy.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 8, 2012 - 11:08am PT
Good. I like Lakes and bigwalls and having water and less water wars.

Just wish they would open HH to overnight camping.
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