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khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Oct 12, 2012 - 08:18pm PT
$400????


Holy crap!
treez

Trad climber
99827
Oct 12, 2012 - 08:31pm PT
Well, a loaf of bread is over 6.

Diesel for my truck is 5.50.

As well as a pint at the bar.

Just a different market. Something about frieght charges.

For $20, I could get a permit to cut anywhere in the borough (larger than some states?) But it's all right here in my "yard".

I feel fortunate.
treez

Trad climber
99827
Oct 12, 2012 - 08:33pm PT
I'll bet that rig in the OP is 30 grand if its a dollar.

If they made more than ten.

Pretty cool, though.
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Oct 12, 2012 - 08:34pm PT
High Traverse - felling, limbing, bucking and splitting,hauling & stacking the cords, etc, is they way to go if your physically fit and so inclined to do so. Rewarding also. Self reliant and living off the land. I suppose one could plant a few seedlings to round out the process. You guys are lucky to be living where you are.

edit: when i lived in Mammoth i/we (several friends that still live in mammoth and lurk here) worked for a dude that owned a firewood company one season. hard work. used my truck to get into the tight places & had to use it in a lot of the deliveries to get to the rear of the condo's. had to chuck a lot of it 2-3 floors to their decks. damn HARD work. i teamed up with Walter Rosenthal, RIP, and we had a great time, actually we laughed a LOT. didn't get paid sh#t though. so, my point is, whatever they are getting per cord, ya gotta take into account all the work that goes into it from locating a dead tree, to taking it through the process which ends up as a nice stacked 4ft x 4ft x 8ft cord on your back porch or second or third floor deck!!

zB - yep, think twice about it at least, bro! my experience was definitely a near death experience! lol
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Oct 12, 2012 - 08:39pm PT

Scared the sh#t out of me.

Well splitter, you're giving me some second thoughts on that big Eucalyptus on the bank behind the house.



treez

Trad climber
99827
Oct 12, 2012 - 08:46pm PT
I'll just add that getting it delivered split is almost unheard of, except maybe in Juneau (I crack myself up)

Usually, delivered is 300 or so in the round. That's why a used splitter is worth almost as much as a new one and a solid 044 is priceless.

There is no Zen in the maul after the first cord or so.......
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Oct 12, 2012 - 09:15pm PT
zB - it didn't end with the limbs snapping like twiggs on my way up. once i got up to the 70 ft level, the circumferance was still near the size of my waste. i had on an old chouinard harness (the white one/forget the name) but had only brought one 1" tubular webbing to wrap around the tree. i was definitely considering the ramafications if i had accidently cut through that webbing. 70+ ft to the deck on Christmas eve...what a way to go, eh? and i was also very concerned about the top of that sucker, since another good 30+ ft of it lurked above me, and cuda kicked my way and taken off my f'n head or something. like i said, "i kissed the blessed earth" when i finally got down that afternoon!

edit: i gotta locate some pics & get them scanned (don't have a scanner)!

plus, i had never topped off a tree before that (had felled plenty from ground level though) so i felt like a n00b on his very first date.

on the ground you can get the hell out of the way when she starts to drop. but hanging in your harnes from a tree your making the cuts at about chest/shoulder level and you better know what the hell your doing and which way it is gonna go. and it still may get wiggy on ya, kick sideways & take yer f'n head off! ...the sh#t i get myself into. lol

zBro - ya gotta tell that story! "flipflops + yellow jackets...where you blasting "Time Has Come Today!" by the Chambers Brothers on yer ghetto blaster while all this was going down? lol - Sounds like it was EPIC!

Dood, i'd believe it. look at all the crazy stories i tell. i don't give a sh#t who believes them/me! i was there & i believe them, so that is all that matters, imo! but, in the case of the tree, at least, most of my immediate family was also there (so i am ABSOLUTELY certain that happened, lol)! oh yeah, it's documented on film footage. ("i don't wanna die yet, sob, sob...")! haha
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Oct 12, 2012 - 09:57pm PT
I'd tell ya my story, but no one would believe it

wasn't 70 feet, but it was high

flip flops, trunks, saw - that's it

watch out for yellow jackets too

jstan

climber
Oct 12, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
I had bought a house with trees in the backyard, that all promptly died. I went up halfway in one and cut most of the way through some 15' below where I had tied a rope to it. Went in the house and got my 18 month old daughter so she could watch.

I pulled it down with all the expected crashing and dust. She looked up at me and I could see what she was thinking.

"And?"
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Oct 12, 2012 - 10:54pm PT
...trees in the backyard that all promptly died

funny how that happens. happened to us also (here in Cali) although we attempted to save them by watering them. it may have been that the water table had been to low or something for to many years in a row. it was between 85-89 in San Diego county and '88 (i believe) was a drought year at least since we went on water rationing that summer.
Tobia

Social climber
Denial
Oct 13, 2012 - 07:07pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1778847/R-E-A-L-W-E-A-L-T-H
eKat

Trad climber
BITD3
Oct 13, 2012 - 08:16pm PT
I just bought 2 cords of wood from a guy who has one of these firewood machines. It's a small one and it was $16K.

His biggest problem with it is the time it takes his kids to stack it into cords so he knows he's being fair to his customers. He's giving thought to doing away with the by-the-cord thing and going to by-the-pound, which could be kinda weird - since wet wood would weigh more and be bad value.

?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Oct 13, 2012 - 08:17pm PT
I used a wooden stove, exactly once. Turned into ashes. I'm going all metal from here on out.

This guy was smarter, but who isn't? Trimming trees in flip flops.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 13, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
OSHA is never going to approve this rig!

khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Oct 13, 2012 - 08:37pm PT
Cleaned out the stove here and discovered that the previous owners were on drugs. The whole back plate is cracked to hell and fell off once there was no ash supporting it. I guess I should have known there was a reason they never cleaned the damned thing -- I removed about 3 x 5 gallon buckets of ash, and its not a particularly big stove.
I pulled down the 7' of flue and sure enough it's totally encrusted with nearly 1/2" of crap. I'm no expert, but I think because the interior plate is cracked the secondary burning (it's a non-catalytic stove) isn't functioning. Combined with crappy wood and no cleaning... well, I think it's a fire hazard.

I tell ya, the joys of discovering the "idiosyncrasies" of a new home are boundless.
Tobia

Social climber
Denial
Oct 14, 2012 - 04:41am PT
zb, try burning metal in your wood stove; it might work.

ekat, selling by weight would be ridiculous; mainly because it would be tedious, unless he had some large, commercial scales that a vehicle could drive onto and weighed both before and after loading. That investment would never be made up (and legally has to be certified by state).

Then again, firewood is tedious work.

Wood is big business in the south. Most commercial operations only do it as an aside. Such as small sawmills, tree services, etc. One or two businesses sell by the tractor trailer load to restaurants. They have big time operations with commercial splitters (more complex than the ones in the videos, large conveyor systems where the wood is palletized, shrink-wrapped and delivered with tractor trailers. (Barbecue is big business in the south).

I sell firewood; I stack it by species or as close to it just to keep within bounds of my OCD. northern red oak, Water oak, White oak, several hickories, pecan and dogwood, a few others.

By law in GA if you advertise you must price it per cord or half cord. I don't advertise. I sell a pickup truck load (stacked tight and neatly) for a $100 bucks. I figure it is somewhere between a 1/4 and a 1/2 cord. (I don't advertise; unless "word of mouth" is advetising.

Prices very around here, between $80 - $120 a load, false 1/4 or 1/2 cords, and some sale it by piecemeal ($120 for 120 pieces). I through in a milk crate of fat lighter split in thmb width by 10 inch pieces, if they don't have a gas starter.

In Atlanta some example prices are steeper:
$250 per Pickup Truck Load Delivered and stacked.
$400 per Face Cord Delivered and stacked.
$500 per Cord Delivered and stacked.
Metal Cord Wood Rack $200.00


Few people burn would in a stove such as mine, they mainly burn wood for the ambiance as the heat goes right up the chimney. I burn in a forced air stove that is very efficient, sometimes too efficient.

I started out splitting with a axe and maul but switched a MTD 20 ton splitter in 1991, simple machine with a 6 h.p. engine. Still works well after 22 years. I started out selling for $60 a truck load.

Not sure if I really make any money, going out and gathering wood, moving it home, splitting, piling, stacking, delivering, plus saw expenses, etc. There is no telling how many times I move the wood before and after splitting. I don't take healthy trees, just storm wood.

I do it because I enjoy it and to provide myself with wood. Selling it is an effort to try and recover the cost of gathering wood so that I can say "I don't pay for heat". Also all my friends think that since I have so much I should just give them some; which is ok to a point; especially if they are willing to pitch in and help.

In the beginning I did it for therapy, then I did it for the money, then for the wood fuel starting around 2001. I try never to turn the furnace on; but do on occasion just to charge the air with warm air; if it is really cold and I just starting a fire.

I keep most of the hickory for myself and give it to friends who cook with it.

I store it under a roof and have 4 areas where I store it, one example below from the real value thread. You can't tell how much wood is under that roof but each of those sections are 7 feet x 8 feet and is 3 stacks deep with 18 inch pieces.

About wood cords, if you are hauling tree length wood to a saw or paper mill there are two types of cords: hardwood and pine. A pine cord is 5,500 #'s and a hardwood cord is 6075 #'s.

Hi test Hickory &#40;29.21 million btu per cord&#41;
Hi test Hickory (29.21 million btu per cord)
Credit: Tobia

I just watched the video above. Sooner or later that guy is gonna wish he used something a little more conventional (hydraulic cylinder type) as that looks like a serious accident about to happen.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Oct 14, 2012 - 04:32pm PT
Ha! Neighbors are great!

I mentioned we were getting a little desperate for wood and my neighbor drove me out to the f'in motherlode of free free free. All perfectly cut, stacked, and seasoned for almost two years. It's mainly pine (some oak) but it's free free free for the taking. I can easily get 2-3 years worth if I care too.

Makes not going to the valley today totally worthwhile.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Nov 8, 2012 - 07:53pm PT
So we had to replace the wood stove and just installed a Lopi Leyden. I really didn't want to drop the cash -- we even got an old Fisher for free the other day -- but now I think it was worth it.

I've used some great old stoves that I thought were efficient, but apparently times have changed. I haven't seen a damned thing come out of the chimney and that secondary combustion is humming along. Too early to tell, but I think we're gonna save a lot of wood.

Also, this thing is the bomb:
Credit: khanom
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 8, 2012 - 08:05pm PT
damn Tobia - you take it pretty seriously.



Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 8, 2012 - 08:51pm PT
Hey Khanom,

UPS delivered this this evening: ( the splitter, not the beer )



Can't wait to play with it tomorrow.
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