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sowr

Trad climber
CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 11:22am PT
I remain leery of people making sweeping statements about either the existence or non-existence of this thing called God. The Universe is rather large and a tad confusing, even for the theoretical physicists, so I'm taking a stab here and saying that we can't know for or against. I find people who state emphatically that there is no God just as irritating and constrained as people who state there is.

Anyway here's my testimony:

When I was a teen I was a devout Christian, and realized the error of my ways high on a mountain when it struck me that the rocks were more than likely a lot older than 5000 years. I therefore felt compelled to chuck the Bible out, while some of the stuff that Jesus said made a lot of sense, and never left me, the notion of the trinity etc. seemed like it had been made up by someone.

It look many years for me to find a "replacement" for religion. I read a lot of philosophy, but it was Olaf Stapledon who really struck a chord with, he and Carl Sagan gave me my cosmic view of things, plus the pragmatism, and to not make sweeping statements about things we cannot understand.

So therefore I reject both atheism and religion, and try and form my own vision, most suited to me. I don't discount god, but neither to I accept this notion. I certainly reject religion.

I'll keep looking knowing that I'll never know.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
There is a G-d.

His testimony surrounds all of us throughout the Universe. There is no excuse.


Psalm 14:1 (KJV Cambridge Ed.)
"> The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

1 Corinthians 3:19 (KJV Cambridge Ed.)
"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness."


Romans 1:20 (KJV Cambridge Ed.)
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"



Atheism will get you nowhere.



Edit fo HFCS:

There is only one G-d ... the others are impostors of the Fallen Angel type. Read Dr. Michael Heiser, a Hebrew Scholar. There are other gods. Small g. But there is only one G-D. The G-D.

G-d: Hashem Adonai Elohim

His personal name -- the tetragrammaton, not to be pronounced out of respect.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
Sour's next step - if he were interested - would be to distinguish between "god" in the abstract and "God Jehovah" the god of the ancient Hebrews and modern Christians and Muslims.

Last I checked, this was largely a Christian nation when it comes to religion. So when Christians ref "god" they are not referencing Poseidon or Amon-Re or Marduk or a thousand others. And they're certainly not referencing the abstract nonpersonal higher power ("God") that some famous scientists have called God as a metaphor for natural laws or cosmic order.

Jehovah's an ancient local god, no more or less than the others. If Sour's not an "atheist" regarding Apollo or Artemis then really what does that say. What goes for the ancient local Greek gods goes for the ancient local Hebrew gods - esp when you take into account cross-study in a plurality of theologies and theisms and when you set aside cultural bias.

Largely because of Christianity and the dominance of Jehovah (as opposed to Quetzalcoatl or Wotan) in America, this culture of red, white and blue, sadly, is every bit as theologically illiterate as it is scientifically illiterate.

But times are changing. Hopefully future generations will be wiser.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
Maybe somebody posted that question before, but do we have a definition of "god" here?

1. A creator, omnipotent and intervening?
2. A creator, omnipotent but just an observer?
3. Powerful but bound by the laws of physics:
- creator intervening
- creator observer
- not a creatsor but intervening
- observer

Does ET expect to be worshiped, demand certain "behavior"?

What exactly are we dicussing here?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
Bruce, it all depends on what grade level you elect to debate.

Personally, I like to mix it up some. ;)
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
Bruce, so does it make you Atheist or Agnostic?
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
yeah, just ignore me...
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 26, 2013 - 04:48pm PT

I personally will always be Agnostic...

Either of the other choices makes little sense to me...



No one ALIVE has a CLUE...
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
LOL Bruce. At least you don't feel alone soloing ;)
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
It wan't help you Locker. You are going to hell anyway. Do they have any rocks to climb?
What rubber would you recommend?
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:05pm PT


"You are going to hell anyway"...


Good!!!...

Then things won't really be that much different...

;-)

Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
"You are going to hell anyway"...
You're MOVING to Texas?
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
My take on the subjet of god is that if god(s) exists we have no idea what it wants from us. Thus it is irrelevant whether god(s) exists.
If I were an ant would I know the mind of a human?
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
You go to Texas if you are too bad to go to hell.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:33pm PT


Texas is HEAVEN compared to so MANY other places (though I can't really think of ANY at the moment... LOL!!!)...

We take so MUCH for granted...

moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
Where do they end the bad Texans?

Reincarnation in Texas, of course!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 26, 2013 - 05:43pm PT


I'd MUCH rather be in Texas...

than Mississippi...

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 26, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
that would be reincarnation
jstan

climber
Jan 26, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
Where do they send the bad Texans?

Washington

If you listen to Texans, Washington is hell.

so by this definition I feel like I'm agnostic but it seems ridiculous to sit on the fence when so much evidence supports no god and so little evidence supports god. I'm as committed as is reasonable to the belief that there is no god, in the absence of evidence.

If you look at it statistically, the absence of any example where a supernatural force has interfered in an earthly process gives us very high confidence we may assume there is no god at all. Certainly not on earth. Now the fact that a god, if it exists has infinite power, allows great confidence there is no activity of a god anywhere. God is, supposedly built in our image and reportedly very concerned with us. If it had any power it would surely exert some of that power here. Nada.

I think I may have seen a reason why homo sapiens went to the trouble of constructing all of these gods. I saw a power line with dozens of birds perched on it, ready for any hawk that was hungry. If creatures like birds, and us for that matter, are always grouped together in some number, our odds of survival increase proportionately. So we create churches held together by some artificial means, so that we won't be alone and a target for predators.

Our banking system that has an implacable appetite and allows all the birds to be taken in one swoop has defeated that strategy, but we won't go into that here.

manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Feb 7, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
im atheist because i believe in skeletons.
and i have common sense. skeletons dont lie.
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