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Borut

climber
french, spider, cheater
Nov 30, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
BELIEVE IT OR NOT
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 11, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
Here's one of the better ones...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3lwG4MytSI&NR

Feel it, the wind of change?
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 25, 2013 - 11:46am PT
Another reason... In the atheist life, you’ll find people just like yourself struggling with life and the problems it poses, e.g., regarding meaning and purpose, injustices and such, and struggling to come to grips with beliefs - theirs and others - in the space-time of history.

(Not to mention struggling to push far far beyond the antiquated Judeo-christian-islamic sensibilities on sex, women... and boobs.)

A few days ago, the “Room for debate” section of the New York Times published a series of six short pieces under the title “Is atheism a religion?”

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/01/22/is-atheism-a-religion

Here's Penn Jillette's take:

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/01/22/is-atheism-a-religion/atheism-should-end-religion-not-replace-it

Change is hard but it's coming around. 20 years ago, no way NYT would have published this piece.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jan 25, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant."

To date, no one has passed the preliminary tests.

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Jan 25, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
I Like the Atheist Life

Who cares.
So did Joseph Stalin and Chairman Mao.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 25, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
^^^

And Hemmingway, Zappa, Kubrick, Thomas Edison, Warren Buffet, Mark Twain, Edgar Allen Poe, Woody Allen, Marie Curie, Hellen Keller, Freud, and George Orwell.
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Jan 25, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
Zappa , Warren Buffay , Woody Allen, Freud

Stellar list there.
That'll dispel and counter some of the greatest mass murderers and modern enslavers of all time.

The list is informative however, and I'm taking it at face value.

Had no idea Mark Twain was, but Poe makes sense , so does Keller,Freud, and Hemingway.

Zappa....a man for the centuries.

Was Captain Beefheart an atheist?

"There is no God..."

Credit: Donald Thompson

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 25, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
some of the greatest mass murderers and modern enslavers of all time

Hey, let's leave the Popes out of it.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 25, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
"What should we be worried about?"

This year Edge asked 155 people with very good minds to ask themselves this question.

http://www.edge.org/annual-question/q2013


The earlier post by Donald Thompson reminded me of this entry:

Psychology professor Douglas T. Kenrick fears that idiots are about to take over the world and make it into an idiocracy run by numbskulls.

.....

Food for thought:

If China aggressively pursues eugenics... should the U.S? Should this force the U.S. to also? Is this going to be the next worrisome evolutionary arms race?

Btw, do only evolutionists know what an "evolutionary arms race" is? :)

Welcome to modernity, fasten your seat belts.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 25, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
The topics change too fast for me :)

A few posts up by HFCS:

Is atheism a religion?

There is an interesting comment in the discussion section by CS:

There is a difference between Atheism and being non-religious. Being non-religious sets aside the god issue. Atheism asserts there is no god. The two are commonly confused. Because there is no empirical means for establishing the existence or non-existence of god, Atheism is a faith. It is the belief in the non-existence of god.

I would argue that Atheism is no more faith than “Adragonism”. There is no more evidence for the existence of dragons than god(s). Atheists are not religious, we are just rational.

Edit: The next subject:

If China aggressively pursues eugenics... should the U.S?

You mean like allowing only selected individuals to procreate or like ethnic cleansing? Since either of them is unlikely to happen in China (or rather not at the level that would have an impact on general population), I am not worried about the USA.

Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Jan 25, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
Psychology professor Douglas T. Kenrick fears that idiots are about to take over the world and make it into an idiocracy run by numbskulls.
It already happened.
It was called the great atheistic , totalitarian, and socialist experiments of the 20th century , based upon scientific materialism and the outlawing of religion.
It's been largely defeated by forward -looking, intelligent , freedom-loving people ,but , like the terminator ,keeps trying to reinvent itself and coming back in slightly different guises. Same hideous monster, however.
I have gotten to where I can spot it a mile away, whether its riding a futuristic motorcycle or crawling on its last remaining leg.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 25, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
Jesus Christ
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 25, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
I am an Atheist thus I am evil.

Just ask anybody DT.
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Jan 25, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
I am an Atheist thus I am evil.

Lets not go overboard. But if the shoe fits...

There are plenty of decent , honorable atheists out there- as a matter of fact, being officially agnostic ,I am 1/2 atheist myself.
What I object to is the misrepresenting of atheism as some sort of rational wave of glorious truth soon to wash over all of mankind with its undeniable validity.
Contemporary evangelical atheists persist in this hackneyed portrayal of atheism as if it were synonymous with scientific empiricism, which it is not, and as if ,like a miraculous cure for a disease ,it was just discovered yesterday.
Like their cousins,socialists, rarely do atheist own up to the horrible past of official atheism and its awful results in the real world. But they constantly insist that religion be held accountable in that same way.
Atheists are neither demonstrably smarter nor better than other people. They simply do not believe in a god. Period. Okay.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 25, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
Atheists are neither demonstrably smarter..

Actually, they are. Signifcantly so.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 25, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
Moose wrote,
You mean like allowing only selected individuals to procreate or like ethnic cleansing?

"Allowing" suggests prescription, regulations, and law by Big Brother, by the Leviathan.

How about 21st century styled eugenics via (a) sperm and egg donors or (b) more directly through genetic design. Those would be eugenic practices as well. Right?

.....

Moose, check out some of those essays at edge.org. You'd enjoy a few I think. Read the piece by Sam Harris, The Power of Bad Incentives.

http://edge.org/response-detail/23781

It's a thinking man's piece. :)
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Jan 26, 2013 - 12:47am PT
Like their cousins,socialists, rarely do atheist own up to the horrible past of official atheism and its awful results in the real world.

How exactly does being an atheist make one cousin (kissing or no) to socialists? The fact that there have been socialists, communists, narcissists, plagiarists, humanists, volcanists, seismologists, economists, or any other members of "ists" out there that might also be atheists does not make make them mutually inclusive. They are not them. Them are not they.

Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Jan 26, 2013 - 08:09am PT
Donald Thompson is one misinformed loon
He reads too much right wing propoganda


and as a rebuttal to DT being able to spot communists a mile a way

I can spot misinformed right wing loons a mile away,
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jan 26, 2013 - 08:20am PT
I can spot misinformed right wing loons a mile away,
How about "as soon as they try to communicate"
sowr

Trad climber
CA
Jan 26, 2013 - 08:22am PT
I remain leery of people making sweeping statements about either the existence or non-existence of this thing called God. The Universe is rather large and a tad confusing, even for the theoretical physicists, so I'm taking a stab here and saying that we can't know for or against. I find people who state emphatically that there is no God just as irritating and constrained as people who state there is.

Anyway here's my testimony:

When I was a teen I was a devout Christian, and realized the error of my ways high on a mountain when it struck me that the rocks were more than likely a lot older than 5000 years. I therefore felt compelled to chuck the Bible out, while some of the stuff that Jesus said made a lot of sense, and never left me, the notion of the trinity etc. seemed like it had been made up by someone.

It look many years for me to find a "replacement" for religion. I read a lot of philosophy, but it was Olaf Stapledon who really struck a chord with, he and Carl Sagan gave me my cosmic view of things, plus the pragmatism, and to not make sweeping statements about things we cannot understand.

So therefore I reject both atheism and religion, and try and form my own vision, most suited to me. I don't discount god, but neither to I accept this notion. I certainly reject religion.

I'll keep looking knowing that I'll never know.
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