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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dingus,
if it came to light that there was some damage how would you feel?
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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i'm not going to weigh in one way or the other....i've poached more than my fair share of off-limits plums in nps units....but always on the q.t.
what's going around in my mind right now is this: kate cannon is the new superintendent of the southeast utah group, which includes arches. don't know what her take is on climbers and climbing, but i do know there are many, many superintendents out there that would react to this by closing arches to climbing.
nps managers don't know who dean potter is, and don't care. they won't be factoring the personality of the climber into their decision on how to react to this.
i can say with absolute certainty that the park managers will be utterly outraged. from their perspective this is like spray-painting the liberty bell, or taking a piss down old faithful. i don't share that viewpoint, but then my opinion don't matter...nor do any of ours.
delicate arch is a true sacred cow to the nps. they're gonna be monumentally pissed. it's a total crapshoot at this point as to what the fallout will be.
let's just hope that they simply cite and fine those involved, and leave the rest of us out of it.
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabon movin on
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Wow, what a dumb thing to do! IMO, the negative press that will be attributed to the climbing population off this stunt is not worth the selfish endevor that Potter took. Especially as he is in the limelight representing us. Very foolish. I sincerely hope the climbing community condems publically this act for the sake of access in other areas.
Jeffrey Stephan
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Richard
Trad climber
Bend, OR.
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Thread drift, but on topic
On another thread I read that the Rostrum is closed for Peregrine nesting. So, my question is, is it O.K. to climb there now? Even on the sly?
I think not. Same for the arch.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Unity in the climbing community?
Sparky, what planet are YOU on?
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabon movin on
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The same planet that is governed by rules we have accepted and challenged AS a community. By not believing we are united, we will lose our perspective on what privilage we do have left on this planet.
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NinjaChimp
climber
Davis, CA
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TG said, "If Dean just climbed the thing when no one was around, except his buddies, I don't think ANYONE would have a problem. (Hell; no one would know; would they?)..."
Except he used white chalk on red sandstone. Besides, somone always sprays. Maybey not the climber, could be a friend just psyched by his pal's ascent. The manner in which he climbed the arch was very selfish and I've lost a lot of respect for him as a climber. Yes, the climb itself is pretty cool...whoopdy-freaking-do!
-justin-
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Hootervillian
climber
the Hooterville World-Guardian
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The thing that seems colossally dumb in this is Patagucci's involvement. surely, if anyone should know better ....
sponsered is what sponsor does?
why fret the details if'n it really ain't your target demographic anymore?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sparky, I'm not disagreeing with you, but merely se your hope as highly unlikely.
Desert climbing IS quite potentially damaging but there ARE ways to minimalize the impacts. The trouble is it requires climbers to reorganize their priorities in a manner unlikely for the same reason.
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atchafalaya
Trad climber
California
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read this post early this am, left the computer, thought about it for awhile, and came to the following conclusion...
Nothing good can ever come from climbing delicate arch. And to document the ascent for sponsors? Wow, thats incredibly stoopid... Dean Potter and Patagonia made a really bad decision. It will be interesting to see what the fall-out will be. My guess, restricting access even further in the Utah NPs.
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabon movin on
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Ron-
True but perception affects reality. If the climbing communtiy believes it's united, they will be more effective in the long run.
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Buddha
climber
Idyllwild soon...
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I trust DPs personal ethics and he climbed it the right way, but the fallout definitely might be bigger than he gave his actions credit for. Especially since it made several newspapers, and after taunting the park officials with the highlines at the gossips just earlier. Oh well, at least they got it all on video. Go Dean Go.
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matty
Big Wall climber
Valencia, CA
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Perception does not affect reality, reality affects perception.
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jsavage
climber
Bishop, CA
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He does a bunch of illegal stuff without getting caught so he has his reasons for being noticed (filmed) on this.
This is climbing. What do you call beating on El Cap with a hammer?
Jim
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Rad,
so let's get climbing outlawed so that all us climbers can call ourselves outlaws?
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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i haven't fully decided my stance on this one either, but i will say this. Potter's done a lot of things in the last few years that he's refused to report to his sponsors(at his loss). I'm sure some of the valley regulars here even know about some of the ascents i'm refering to.
what made him pull out the stops this time. clearly not a difficult climb, and any moron with half a brain would realize that it would cause contraversy. anyone else think this may have been done intentionally in the public's eyes to get a debate going?
same battle ground i would have picked too. if you've got to pick a park in UT to risk climbing access at, i can't think of a better one than the chossiest, most tourist filled one.
make a stand and lose arches? no biggie, just make sure canyonlands isn't impacted.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Trashman
U R AN IDIOT!!!!!!!
(and even if Arches WAS a chosspile do the words "domino theory" mean anything to you?)
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Ksolem
Trad climber
LA, Ca
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Rad,
Call me a granola eating fag if you want. Here's my take.
Breaking the "rules" is one thing. Doing so as an act of self promotion is quite another. I've always thought the self promotion aspect of climbing is kind of unseemly. Some of the best climbers I know run way below the radar.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Breaking
Homeland Security has gotten involved. Reward up to 50K.
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