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jstan

climber
Aug 27, 2012 - 11:55am PT
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hDvD3tQjT-XdpjB5WatZGhO6LCLQ?docId=34cb6c53737248aa859e81320e9d3ace

Suspect in Maryland school shooting in custody
(AP) – 2 minutes ago
PERRY HALL, Md. (AP) — Police say a suspect is in custody after the shooting of a student on the first day of classes at a high school near Baltimore.
Baltimore County police say the Perry Hall High School student was flown to a hospital after being shot Monday morning. Police say a suspect was taken into custody after the shooting but did not provide additional details.
WJZ-TV showed video of a shirtless male with his hands behind his back being put into a police cruiser.
The school was evacuated and students were taken to nearby Perry Hall Shopping Center. Parents can meet them there.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Aug 27, 2012 - 12:02pm PT
The bible is full of contradictions, Tooth. You can find support for whatever position you want.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Aug 27, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
Jody, if we take your approach and have everyone packing can you guarantee that with 600 million guns there will be no more gun violence? I guess it's ridiculous to ask someone to guarantee something like that huh?

We should have mandatory sentencing laws for criminals who use guns in the commission of crimes, and illegal possession of weapons.

We should have waiting periods and background checks. i.e. We should put into place things that make it tougher for criminals to get more guns but don't' have unreasonable restrictions on law abiding citizens ability to get guns.

An average 13 children under the age of 19 are killed each day by gunfire and more are injured. Do we just accept that or try to figure out ways to reduce it?
jstan

climber
Aug 27, 2012 - 03:08pm PT
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

School shootings:
Feb. 2, 1996
Moses Lake, Wash. Two students and one teacher killed, one other wounded when 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis opened fire on his algebra class.

March 13, 1996
Dunblane, Scotland 16 children and one teacher killed at Dunblane Primary School by Thomas Hamilton, who then killed himself. 10 others wounded in attack.

Feb. 19, 1997
Bethel, Alaska Principal and one student killed, two others wounded by Evan Ramsey, 16.

March 1997
Sanaa, Yemen Eight people (six students and two others) at two schools killed by Mohammad Ahman al-Naziri.

Oct. 1, 1997
Pearl, Miss. Two students killed and seven wounded by Luke Woodham, 16, who was also accused of killing his mother. He and his friends were said to be outcasts who worshiped Satan.

Dec. 1, 1997
West Paducah, Ky. Three students killed, five wounded by Michael Carneal, 14, as they participated in a prayer circle at Heath High School.

Dec. 15, 1997
Stamps, Ark. Two students wounded. Colt Todd, 14, was hiding in the woods when he shot the students as they stood in the parking lot.

March 24, 1998
Jonesboro, Ark. Four students and one teacher killed, ten others wounded outside as Westside Middle School emptied during a false fire alarm. Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, shot at their classmates and teachers from the woods.

April 24, 1998
Edinboro, Pa. One teacher, John Gillette, killed, two students wounded at a dance at James W. Parker Middle School. Andrew Wurst, 14, was charged.

May 19, 1998
Fayetteville, Tenn. One student killed in the parking lot at Lincoln County High School three days before he was to graduate. The victim was dating the ex-girlfriend of his killer, 18-year-old honor student Jacob Davis.

May 21, 1998
Springfield, Ore. Two students killed, 22 others wounded in the cafeteria at Thurston High School by 15-year-old Kip Kinkel. Kinkel had been arrested and released a day earlier for bringing a gun to school. His parents were later found dead at home.

June 15, 1998
Richmond, Va. One teacher and one guidance counselor wounded by a 14-year-old boy in the school hallway.

April 20, 1999
Littleton, Colo. 14 students (including killers) and one teacher killed, 23 others wounded at Columbine High School in the nation's deadliest school shooting. Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, had plotted for a year to kill at least 500 and blow up their school. At the end of their hour-long rampage, they turned their guns on themselves.

April 28, 1999
Taber, Alberta, Canada One student killed, one wounded at W. R. Myers High School in first fatal high school shooting in Canada in 20 years. The suspect, a 14-year-old boy, had dropped out of school after he was severely ostracized by his classmates.

May 20, 1999
Conyers, Ga. Six students injured at Heritage High School by Thomas Solomon, 15, who was reportedly depressed after breaking up with his girlfriend.

Nov. 19, 1999
Deming, N.M. Victor Cordova Jr., 12, shot and killed Araceli Tena, 13, in the lobby of Deming Middle School.

Dec. 6, 1999
Fort Gibson, Okla. Four students wounded as Seth Trickey, 13, opened fire with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun at Fort Gibson Middle School.

Dec. 7, 1999
Veghel, Netherlands One teacher and three students wounded by a 17-year-old student.

Feb. 29, 2000
Mount Morris Township, Mich. Six-year-old Kayla Rolland shot dead at Buell Elementary School near Flint, Mich. The assailant was identified as a six-year-old boy with a .32-caliber handgun.

March 2000
Branneburg, Germany One teacher killed by a 15-year-old student, who then shot himself. The shooter has been in a coma ever since.

March 10, 2000
Savannah, Ga. Two students killed by Darrell Ingram, 19, while leaving a dance sponsored by Beach High School.

May 26, 2000
Lake Worth, Fla. One teacher, Barry Grunow, shot and killed at Lake Worth Middle School by Nate Brazill, 13, with .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol on the last day of classes.

Sept. 26, 2000
New Orleans, La. Two students wounded with the same gun during a fight at Woodson Middle School.

Jan. 17, 2001
Baltimore, Md. One student shot and killed in front of Lake Clifton Eastern High School.

Jan. 18, 2001
Jan, Sweden One student killed by two boys, ages 17 and 19.

March 5, 2001
Santee, Calif. Two killed and 13 wounded by Charles Andrew Williams, 15, firing from a bathroom at Santana High School.

March 7, 2001
Williamsport, Pa. Elizabeth Catherine Bush, 14, wounded student Kimberly Marchese in the cafeteria of Bishop Neumann High School; she was depressed and frequently teased.

March 22, 2001
Granite Hills, Calif. One teacher and three students wounded by Jason Hoffman, 18, at Granite Hills High School. A policeman shot and wounded Hoffman.

March 30, 2001
Gary, Ind. One student killed by Donald R. Burt, Jr., a 17-year-old student who had been expelled from Lew Wallace High School.

Nov. 12, 2001
Caro, Mich. Chris Buschbacher, 17, took two hostages at the Caro Learning Center before killing himself.

Jan. 15, 2002
New York, N.Y. A teenager wounded two students at Martin Luther King Jr. High School.

Feb. 19, 2002
Freising, Germany Two killed in Eching by a man at the factory from which he had been fired; he then traveled to Freising and killed the headmaster of the technical school from which he had been expelled. He also wounded another teacher before killing himself.

April 26, 2002
Erfurt, Germany 13 teachers, two students, and one policeman killed, ten wounded by Robert Steinhaeuser, 19, at the Johann Gutenberg secondary school. Steinhaeuser then killed himself.

April 29, 2002
Vlasenica, Bosnia-Herzegovina One teacher killed, one wounded by Dragoslav Petkovic, 17, who then killed himself.

October 28, 2002
Tucson, Ariz. Robert S. Flores Jr., 41, a student at the nursing school at the University of Arizona, shot and killed three female professors and then himself.

April 14, 2003
New Orleans, La. One 15-year-old killed, and three students wounded at John McDonogh High School by gunfire from four teenagers (none were students at the school). The motive was gang-related.

April 24, 2003
Red Lion, Pa. James Sheets, 14, killed principal Eugene Segro of Red Lion Area Junior High School before killing himself.

Sept. 24, 2003
Cold Spring, Minn. Two students are killed at Rocori High School by John Jason McLaughlin, 15.

Sept. 28, 2004
Carmen de Patagones, Argentina Three students killed and 6 wounded by a 15-year-old Argentininan student in a town 620 miles south of Buenos Aires.

March 21, 2005
Red Lake, Minn. Jeff Weise, 16, killed grandfather and companion, then arrived at school where he killed a teacher, a security guard, 5 students, and finally himself, leaving a total of 10 dead.

Nov. 8, 2005
Jacksboro, Tenn. One 15-year-old shot and killed an assistant principal at Campbell County High School and seriously wounded two other administrators.

Aug. 24, 2006
Essex, Vt. Christopher Williams, 27, looking for his ex-girlfriend at Essex Elementary School, shot two teachers, killing one and wounding another. Before going to the school, he had killed the ex-girlfriend's mother.

Sept. 13, 2006
Montreal, Canada Kimveer Gill, 25, opened fire with a semiautomatic weapon at Dawson College. Anastasia De Sousa, 18, died and more than a dozen students and faculty were wounded before Gill killed himself.

Sept. 27, 2006
Bailey, Colo. Adult male held six students hostage at Platte Canyon High School and then shot and killed Emily Keyes, 16, and himself.

Sept. 29, 2006
Cazenovia, Wis. A 15-year-old student shot and killed Weston School principal John Klang.

Oct. 3, 2006
Nickel Mines, Pa. 32-year-old Carl Charles Roberts IV entered the one-room West Nickel Mines Amish School and shot 10 schoolgirls, ranging in age from 6 to 13 years old, and then himself. Five of the girls and Roberts died.

Jan. 3, 2007
Tacoma, Wash. Douglas Chanthabouly, 18, shot fellow student Samnang Kok, 17, in the hallway of Henry Foss High School.

April 16, 2007
Blacksburg, Va. A 23-year-old Virginia Tech student, Cho Seung-Hui, killed two in a dorm, then killed 30 more 2 hours later in a classroom building. His suicide brought the death toll to 33, making the shooting rampage the most deadly in U.S. history. Fifteen others were wounded.

Sept. 21, 2007
Dover, Del. A Delaware State Univesity Freshman, Loyer D. Brandon, shot and wounded two other Freshman students on the University campus. Brandon is being charged with attempted murder, assault, reckless engagement, as well as a gun charge.

Oct. 10, 2007
Cleveland, Ohio A 14-year-old student at a Cleveland high school, Asa H. Coon, shot and injured two students and two teachers before he shot and killed himself. The victims' injuries were not life-threatening.

Nov. 7, 2007
Tuusula, Finland An 18-year-old student in southern Finland shot and killed five boys, two girls, and the female principal at Jokela High School. At least 10 others were injured. The gunman shot himself and died from his wounds in the hospital.

Feb. 8, 2008
Baton Rouge, Louisiana A nursing student shot and killed two women and then herself in a classroom at Louisiana Technical College in Baton Rouge.

Feb. 11, 2008
Memphis, Tennessee A 17-year-old student at Mitchell High School shot and wounded a classmate in gym class.

Feb. 12, 2008
Oxnard, California A 14-year-old boy shot a student at E.O. Green Junior High School causing the 15-year-old victim to be brain dead.

Feb. 14, 2008
DeKalb, Illinois Gunman killed five students and then himself, and wounded 17 more when he opened fire on a classroom at Northern Illinois University. The gunman, Stephen P. Kazmierczak, was identified as a former graduate student at the university in 2007.

Sept. 23, 2008
Kauhajoki, Finland A 20-year-old male student shot and killed at least nine students and himself at a vocational college in Kauhajok, 330km (205 miles) north of the capital, Helsinki.

Nov. 12, 2008
Fort Lauderdale, Florida A 15-year-old female student was shot and killed by a classmate at Dillard High School in Fort Lauderdale.

March 11, 2009
Winnenden, Germany Fifteen people were shot and killed at Albertville Technical High School in southwestern Germany by a 17-year-old boy who attended the same school.

April 30, 2009
Azerbaijan, Baku A Georgian citizen of Azerbaijani descent killed 12 students and staff at Azerbaijan State Oil Academy. Several others were wounded.

Feb. 5, 2010
Madison, Alabama At Discovery Middle School, a ninth-grader was shot by another student during a class change. The boy, whose name was not released, pulled out a gun and shot Todd Brown in the head while walking the hallway. Brown later died at Huntsville Hospital.

Feb. 12, 2010
Huntsville, Alabama During a meeting on campus, Amy Bishop, a biology professor, began shot her colleagues, killing three and wounding three others. A year earlier, Bishop had been denied tenure.

March 9, 2010
Columbus, Ohio A man opens fire at Ohio State University, killing two employees and wounding one other. The shooter had recently received an "unsatisfactory" job evaluation and was going to be fired on March 13.

Jan. 5, 2011
Omaha, Nebraska Two people were killed and two more injured in a shooting at Millard South High School. Shortly after being suspended from school, the shooter returned and shot the assistant principal, principal, and the school nurse. The shooter then left campus and took his own life.

Jan. 8, 2011
Tuscon, Arizona Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot in an assassination attempt. At least 17 others are shot by a gunman, identified as Jared Lee Loughner, who opened fire on the congresswoman's constituent meeting outside a local grocery store. Six people are fatally wounded, including U.S. District Court Judge John Roll, and a young girl.

Jan. 5, 2011
Houston, Texas Two people opened fire during a Worthing High School powder-puff football game. One former student died. Five other people were injured.

April 7, 2011
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil A 23-year-old former student returned to his public elementary school in Rio de Janeiro and began firing, killing 12 children and seriously wounding more than a dozen others, before shooting himself in the head. While Brazil has seen gang-related violence in urban areas, this was the worst school shooting the country has ever seen.

May 10, 2011
San Jose, California Three people were killed in a parking garage at San Jose State University. Two former students were found dead on the fifth floor of the garage. A third, the suspected shooter, died later at the hospital.

July 22, 2011
Tyrifjorden, Buskerud, Norway A gunman disguised as a policeman opened fire at a camp for young political activists on the island of Utoya. The gunman kills 68 campers, including personal friends of Prime Minister Stoltenberg. Police arrested Anders Behring Breivik, a 32-year-old Norwegian who had been been linked to an anti-Islamic group.

Dec. 8, 2011
Blacksburg, Virginia A Virginia Tech police officer was shot and killed by a 22-year old student of Radford University. The shooting took place in a parking lot on Virginia Tech's campus.

Feb. 10, 2012
Walpole, New Hampshire A 14-year-old student shot himself in front of 70 fellow students.

Feb. 27, 2012
Chardon, Ohio At Chardon High School, a former classmate opened fire, killing three students and injuring six. Arrested shortly after the incident, the shooter said that he randomly picked students.

March 6, 2012
Jacksonville, Florida Shane Schumerth, a 28-year-old teacher at Episcopal High School, returned to the campus after being fired and shot and killed the headmistress, Dale Regan, with an assault rifle.

March 19, 2012
Toulouse, France Mohammed Merah, a French man of Algerian descent, shot and killed a rabbi, two of his children, and another child at a Jewish school. Police believe he had earlier shot and killed three paratroopers. Merah said he was a member of Al Qaeda and that he was seeking revenge for the killing of Palestinian children.

April 2, 2012
Oakland, Calif. One Goh, a 43-year-old former student at Oikos University, a Christian school populated by mostly Korean and Korean-Americans, opened fire on the campus, killing seven people and wounding several others.

July 20, 2012
Aurora, Colo. During a midnight screening of the film The Dark Knight Rises, a gunman opens fire on the crowded theater. At least 12 people are killed and 38 others are wounded. The suspect, James Holmes, set off a smoke device in the front of the theater before opening fire. Directly after the incident, Holmes, age 24, was arrested in a parking lot behind the theater.

August 5, 2012
Oak Creek, Wis. A gunman opens fire at a Sikh temple, killing six people and wounding three. Police shot and killed the suspect, Wade Michael Page, after the attack. Page, a neo-Nazi, served in the U.S. Army from 1992 to 1998.

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 27, 2012 - 03:22pm PT
Those are some mad cut 'n paste skillz!
jstan

climber
Aug 27, 2012 - 03:59pm PT

Jody wants answers Fear. Are you suggesting more color is the answer?

Edit:

Standard nomenclature in the trade is

"cum" = cumulative

Add up all the entries as you go down the column.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 27, 2012 - 04:01pm PT
Graph needs more color. Maybe 3-D?
Degaine

climber
Aug 27, 2012 - 04:44pm PT
jstan,

Thanks for the graph. Who would've thought that porn is so dangerous!
Degaine

climber
Aug 27, 2012 - 04:45pm PT
Jody wrote:
The same old gun-control tactics have been proven not to work, so what do you suggest? Within the parameters of Second Amendement protection.

Since when do you care about the Constitution?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 27, 2012 - 05:42pm PT
Not gonna get it in a totalitarian one either.

Strange this one was left out.

It about doubles the casualty rate.

334 dead in one incident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis
Degaine

climber
Aug 27, 2012 - 05:43pm PT
jody wrote:
Since when have I not cared?

You never lifted a finger with regard to the Patriot Act, you even argued strongly in favor of it if memory serves.

You've come out against gay marriage, so you don't seem to be concerned the principal of equal rights.

You seem only to care about the Constitution when it comes to the second amendment, which of course is fine, but why not just admit that you do not see the Constitution as a whole, and only care about those portions with which you agree.

Bush and Obama's trampling of the constitution with regard to things like extraordinary rendition, assassinating American citizens, etc., has had far more real consequences on limiting our freedoms than the fart in the wind gun control discussion that occur in the US from time to time; ironic that you're in favor of those policies for the sake of safety and security, yet piss on and insult anyone who even suggests a slight tightening of the gun control laws.

jody wrote:
Anyway, I can see it is the same tired old mantra... I can't waste any more time on this.

Ironic that you don't see your very own old hypocritical mantra either. But please, don't waste your time, you don't seem interested in actually trying to understand what others have to say on the matter anyway.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 27, 2012 - 05:51pm PT
I'm still waiting for a workable plan to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

That may be asking too much from the pro-gun control crowd here.

So how about just coming up with a workable way to keep guns out of the hands of parolees - who have no more rights on the streets than they did in The Joint.
jstan

climber
Aug 27, 2012 - 06:01pm PT
We have seen here a number of fairly detailed approaches from the

"pro gun control crowd".

But I don't remember there being anything from the

"pro shooters crowd".

All we hear generally is moaning over the 2nd amendment.

Now Chaz wants convicted felons not to have access to weapons. Is this view shared by all of you in the "pro shooters crowd". Is there agreement even in this case?

If there is, let's hear Chaz's approach to achieving same.

Chaz:
Are you really this trivial?

"F#cking up " is not defined in the US code.

Does anyone ever talk to you?

I am not being pejorative.

This is like way way off the page.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 27, 2012 - 06:05pm PT
Here you go:

Own, possess, keep, bear, carry, eat, drink, smoke, etc. anything YOU feel like, and you can be totally assured the government will be leaving you alone unless you f*#k up.

How's that? Covers about everything.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Aug 27, 2012 - 06:37pm PT
Unless you f*#k up, like shoot up a movie theater.
jstan

climber
Aug 27, 2012 - 11:45pm PT
TGT:

I took a look at your link on Wiki. Perhaps it was left off because of insufficient confirmation or other factor. Over 380 by a separatist group makes it a civil war rather than an incident arising from the actions of a single person. Awful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis

Edit:
When you take the following
jstan, what is your point? You post links of shootings, but what is your point? Have any solutions?

the fact the US has more "nucular" weapons than any other nation, is quite frankly

scary.

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Aug 28, 2012 - 12:44am PT
Bump for the Guns of Navarone.

Good enough for Niven, Peck and Quinn -> Good enough for me.


The only good gun, is an avalanche gun, no?



Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 28, 2012 - 12:47am PT
Mr Kay,

How exactly is any gun ban to be enforced?

Remember, we're a country founded on the principle of Liberty.

The Devil's always in the details.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Aug 28, 2012 - 12:49am PT
^just round up all the violators and put 'em on a train to a camp where they can be euthanized. you know like Germany did. where there's an Aryan will there's a way. (looking for the Ayn Rand quote as I type). Atlas puked.

Spare the avalanche operators.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Aug 28, 2012 - 12:54am PT
You need to have a way of separating the *violators* from the rest of us.

What's your method of separation?

The Devil's always in the details.

You need to think things all the way through.
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