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crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Jul 21, 2012 - 06:29pm PT
NRA is mostly responsible for the body count. Most radical and dangerous organization in the U.S.
Jorroh

climber
Jul 21, 2012 - 06:33pm PT
The problem is clearly that there weren't enough people in the theatre packing guns. We should probably have a law mandating that everyone carry AK 47's or equivalent at all times.
Purely for the sake of safety of course....because more guns = safer right?

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jul 21, 2012 - 06:39pm PT
Is someone going to put up the actual statistics documenting how many instances of lethal attacks have been prevented by gun-carrying citizens who are not cops?

Zimmerman killing Martin and the like will not be counted in the tally.
Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Jul 21, 2012 - 06:43pm PT
"assault weapons" is simply an over used phrase intended to demonize any gun that looks dangerous.

What is it that makes people think they are any more capable of killing people than other types of guns?

Do you think they shoot faster?
How fast do you need to shoot when no one is shooting back?
Hold more ammo?
How many bullets does it take to kill 12 people?

The gun type makes no difference if someone is intent on killing people.

Even if you banned all auto loading guns...
Here is what a 12 year old kid can do with a lever action rifle, 2 single action revolvers and a breach loading double barreled shotgun in under 11 seconds...all delivered on target.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
Jul 21, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
Thankfully that kid was obviously raised around guns and knows well the responsiblity that goes with them. Hes been trained properly and has excelled at it. One of the problems with society in general is that sort of early on introduction to the REALITY of weapons is getting scarce, and kids have the internet and violent games to break them into a mindset about guns. I was raised with them and always knew the responsibilities.


edit: that KID is impressive! i wouldnt piss him off IIWY...
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jul 21, 2012 - 07:06pm PT
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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 21, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
with the number of guns carried legally,

how many have been used in self-defense in a gun fight?

I haven't heard of any, which certainly seems to be evidence that they are not used in that manner.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Jul 21, 2012 - 08:17pm PT
They are only used in the imaginations of NRA members
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jul 21, 2012 - 08:19pm PT
Hopefully NEVER needed......but available.
Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Jul 21, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
They happen all the time Ed, but rarely reported on the news.
This one happened a few days ago...
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jul 21, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
Using your gun as tactically as imagined by gun owners is probably as practical as learning to defuse a bomb. But, hey, it's still legal. I say shoot that sh#t. And if you have that Bronson moment you creamed yourself imagining? One shot, one kill!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 21, 2012 - 08:23pm PT
They happen all the time Ed, but rarely reported on the news.

and not reported to the police? I doubt that... where are you stats?

Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Jul 21, 2012 - 08:28pm PT
Stats? I don't have stats i just hear about them all the time,
and I just posted a very recent example.

Where is your evidence to the contrary? Oh wait...
I haven't heard of any, which certainly seems to be evidence that they are not used in that manner.

You call THAT evidence? I thought you were a scientist.

Look here for many examples...
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gun+stops+robbery&oq=gun+stops+robbery&gs_l=youtube.3...3400.11969.0.12447.21.19.2.0.0.0.159.1952.11j8.19.0...0.0...1ac.nuHF1l-Lae
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 21, 2012 - 08:32pm PT
http://www.vpc.org/studies/myth.htm

with regard to women,
it seems that, in 1998, for 12 women who used a gun in self defense, 1209 were murdered with a hand gun...

crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Jul 21, 2012 - 08:33pm PT
Ed, the NRA bullies will never see the insanity of their argument, more guns = more safety. Especially when they have their own cable channel.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 21, 2012 - 08:39pm PT
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

seems to be a bit of a discrepancy the NCVS survey in 1993 estimated 108,000 defensive gun uses (DGUs) where as other stats estimated 1,500,000 DGUs.

Maybe crimpergril can weigh in here...

in this report: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/fidc9397.pdf

in 1993
104,000 firearm injuries from all causes
64,100 nonfatal assaults, 18,253 homicides, 18,200 unintentional, 15,100 undertermined...


John M

climber
Jul 21, 2012 - 08:39pm PT
Ed, I'm not particularly pro gun, but that study seems to be full of holes.

Edit: your first post...

It doesn't state how many times women used a gun to keep from being attacked or murdered.

It doesn't state how many of those women who were murdered didn't' own a gun, and thus were not able to protect themselves.

thats just what I found after a quick scan. I could be wrong. your result may vary..

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 21, 2012 - 08:41pm PT
put your stats up John M...

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=53

"U.S. Rates
Across the population as a whole, neither homicide nor suicide is one of the 10 leading causes of death in the United States. However, for 15- to 24-year-olds, homicide is the second leading cause of death, and suicide is the third. The rankings are reversed for 25- to 34-year-olds. Considering these data by race, homicide is the leading cause of death for blacks ages 15 to 24 and 25 to 34. And it is the sixth leading cause of death for blacks at all ages."
John M

climber
Jul 21, 2012 - 08:43pm PT
I don't have any stats.. I was just looking at your first link and found some holes in it. I prefer that studies be as fair as possible.

I would rather have the facts be clear, then I can draw my own conclusions.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 21, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
"Firearms and Self-Harm
Historically, the number of successful suicides in the United States has far exceeded the number of homicides. In 1999, the number of suicides was nearly double the number of murders. In contrast, nonfatal injuries resulting from suicide attempts are much less common than injuries caused by violent assaults, regardless of weapons used. In this section, we describe the patterns and trends for death and nonlethal injuries resulting from self-inflicted, firearm-related harm."

"Firearms and Accidents
Firearm-related accidental deaths represent a small fraction of all firearm-related deaths, but unintentional injuries represent a sizable proportion of all nonfatal injuries resulting from firearms—behind only the number caused by violent assaults."

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