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Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 2, 2014 - 02:44pm PT
I'm going to get a good crossbow. Very Accurate. Very powerful. Very quiet. Very intimidating.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 2, 2014 - 02:51pm PT
That's why we just stop selling most forms of weaponry and wait for the present ones to become inoperable.

You can go out and buy an operable Civil War gun that was made with vastly
inferior metal to today's guns and has not been properly maintained lo these
many years. Any modern gun which is even moderately well maintained will
last much longer. The human race will be gone before today's guns 'rust away'.
And don't even think you're gonna cut off the supply of ammo. By the time
the highly unlikely happens and ammo is banned in this country the stockpiles
will certainly last until the ultimate pandemic occurs. Wouldn't it be more
cost effective to get some proper mental health care going in this country
and put anybody who commits a felony with a gun away for life?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 2, 2014 - 04:00pm PT
you see Gary there is nohting you can do to pry those weapons out of the hands of god fearing Merkins. Nothing.

Nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing. And by the time you do that? NOTHING!

Nyet!

Nada.

Zip.

No tender!

So get in line at Cabelas and join American Manhood. Get armed, get right with god. An American god. One that kills.

DMT
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Dec 2, 2014 - 05:24pm PT
Here's the problem. Acquiring the illegal guns is virtually impossible. The only way to get them is one at a time when they are used in the commission of a crime (if the criminal is apprehended with a gun.) Of course he's probably got five more waiting at home for when he gets out.

Not at all impossible. Multiple studies show that 30-50% of "crime guns" were diverted from legitimate trade less than five years prior to recovery. Start by cutting off the supply and within five years there would be significant improvement. Universal background checks, tighter restrictions on dealers, better record keeping and tougher penalties for non-compliance by private individuals or dealers. Even a 5% reduction in availability of "crime guns" is thousands less shootings each year. Less shootings means less legitimate demand, which means less law-abiding citizens shooting their spouses and kids or going postal.

The only difficult part is that such legislation would reduce wholesale gun sales, and therefore is vehemently opposed by the Gun Industry.

TE
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 2, 2014 - 05:35pm PT
Kris:
I'm going to get a good crossbow. Very Accurate. Very powerful. Very quiet. Very intimidating.

And very slow to repeat.

Reilly:
You can go out and buy an operable Civil War gun that was made with vastly
inferior metal to today's guns and has not been properly maintained lo these
many years.

That's cool. When some pissed off goth teenager walks into the school cafeteria and gets off a shot, how long to reload? Can he reload before all the jocks start pummeling him?

Any modern gun which is even moderately well maintained will
last much longer. The human race will be gone before today's guns 'rust away'.
And don't even think you're gonna cut off the supply of ammo. By the time
the highly unlikely happens and ammo is banned in this country the stockpiles
will certainly last until the ultimate pandemic occurs.

Good points. Like I said, it's a long term solution, gotta start somewhere? What's the alternative?

Wouldn't it be more
cost effective to get some proper mental health care going in this country
and put anybody who commits a felony with a gun away for life?

Proper mental health care would be great. Unfortunately, our spending priority currently is spending billions to blow up goatherds in the middle-east. Life terms for armed robbery would constitutionally cruel and unusual punishment.

DMT:
you see Gary there is nohting you can do to pry those weapons out of the hands of god fearing Merkins. Nothing.

The way things are going that'll change if the NRA doesn't get on board with some reforms. But, some men you just can't reach. From one extreme to another...

Hey, Ron, did you come up with a citation for that Feinstein quote yet? Or is what you wish she said more important than what she did say?



TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 2, 2014 - 05:51pm PT
1858 rapid fire

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 2, 2014 - 06:17pm PT
Yeah, good luck hitting anything that way, TGT. I had a black powder Remington, fun to shoot at night!
Degaine

climber
Dec 2, 2014 - 11:28pm PT
Ron Anderson wrote:
Saw a really lovely quote by the lunatic freak FIENSTIEN that " all vets are mentally ill in some way and government should prevent them from owning firearms.."

She never said that. She never came close to saying anything of the sort.

You just really don't like facts, do you?
QITNL

climber
Dec 2, 2014 - 11:34pm PT
Did your dads and moms bicker a lot? Or was mom more the obsequious sort?

Just wondering, now that you're bringing a woman into a discussion without women.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 5, 2014 - 07:44am PT
Good morning, Ron. Hope all's well. Did you find a citation for that Feinstein quote yet?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 5, 2014 - 08:20am PT
God Bless America and Diane Feinstein!

DMT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 5, 2014 - 10:38am PT



Gun control for everyone except her!


Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Dec 5, 2014 - 10:55am PT

Cleveland Division of Police Investigated: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1375135-cleveland-division-of-police-findings-letter.html

What's happening in America?
Norton

Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
Dec 5, 2014 - 11:30am PT
Ron Anderson wrote:
Saw a really lovely quote by the lunatic freak FIENSTIEN that " all vets are mentally ill in some way and government should prevent them from owning firearms.."

LIAR

YOU are the LIAR, Ron Anderson

why not start a new thread quoting all the LIES you have told on this forum?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 5, 2014 - 01:18pm PT
Is it still a lie if one is not smart enough to know they're repeating one?

DMT
couchmaster

climber
Dec 5, 2014 - 02:08pm PT
Senator Dianne Feinstein opposed an amendment to her so-called assault weapons ban legislation that would allow veterans to continue buying firearms the bill would outlaw. Retired police would have been exempt but not veterans.

What she actually said was:

"SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN: If I understand this, this adds an exemption of retired military. As I understand our bill, no issue has arose in this regard during the 10 years the expired ban was in effect and what we did in the other bill was exempt possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States. So that included active military.

The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, itís not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.

So, you know, I would be happy to sit down with you again and see if we could work something out but I think we have to-- if youíre going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally donít have access to this kind of weapon.

Video here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/03/08/feinstein_veterans_may_have_ptsd_and_should_not_be_exempt_from_assault_weapons_ban.html







Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 5, 2014 - 02:14pm PT
Oh MY! Vets are whack, hahahahahahaha!

DMT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Dec 5, 2014 - 02:18pm PT
"why not start a new thread quoting all the LIES you have told on this forum?"

Because that would make the 306th pos thread he's started, further cementing his pathetic need for attention, while distracting from ST's primary purpose.

Naaahhh...ban him for lifetime...let him go poison another forum somewhere. Its best for everyone.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 5, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
The thing I find bizarre about Feinstein's remarks is this:

with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War

PTSD is a byproduct of warfighting. Before Vietnam they called it shell shock and said man up. Tell a Vietnam Vet that PTSD is a new phenomenon of the Iraq War, you'll get a mouth full.

I had an experience with PTSD. TMI to get into here. It was caused by a single gruesome incident, so two hours of quality time with a specialist sorted it out. But my heart goes out to those soldiers who come home with layers upon layers of horrific experiences all tangled into some web of emotional hell.

Just saying that if she's going to talk about it she should be better informed.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 5, 2014 - 03:18pm PT
Who's hating? We're having a discussion.

And, yes, Kris, that was the one thing Feinstein should be criticized for, something she actually said, not something someone wished she had said.
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