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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Oct 30, 2013 - 11:18am PT
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Pat, Best of luck to you...
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smolis
Trad climber
Patterson, NY
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Oct 30, 2013 - 11:55am PT
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Phyl.. you're probably in surgery right about now. Hope it's straight forward and you heal quickly. Thinking about you.
Steve
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Oct 30, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
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cant say-
so sorry to hear about this. i hope they have develped a lot of new tyreatment options since your dad's day.
ps my surgery went great. video showed a mess in there. i'm feeling good tonite. i will do pt, i will be patient, i will cross train and i will miss climbing but i will still be happy.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Oct 30, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
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Glad to hear it went well!
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 30, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
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hey there say, phylp... great to know it is done now... and getting well, will come...
oh my:
can't say...
sorry to hear this, and as to your father having had that--such sadness, :(
say, hang in there, we are all here to root and pray, hope and wish, for you...
get well...
SAY, does anyone know how clark is by the way:
will have to bump the thread...
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Oct 31, 2013 - 12:31am PT
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Good news Phyl!
can't say, wishing you all the best.
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Oct 31, 2013 - 06:52am PT
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Thanks guys and gals, this is something new for me. My innards have always worked pretty good so I'm going into this with a bit of unease. Having good vibes sent my way feels gud.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 31, 2013 - 07:17am PT
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hey there, say, can't say... just sent you can email earlier, check and see if you got it...
hang in there... and god bless... :)
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Oct 31, 2013 - 10:15am PT
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Thanks Neebee
I got your email and sent a reply,
thanks again
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Oct 31, 2013 - 11:40am PT
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Ney! Super Model type, easy on the eyes!!!! I'm definatley coming to see "you" now. Glad you have someone so generous to help you out post op. Good luck and when you recover....we are going climbing. My current lead level is like 5.4 so we should be fine!
Peace Brother
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Oct 31, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
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My arms are tired today from bouldering and doing finger board exercises yesterday, so today I'm going to take a 25 mile bike ride and do my power weight lifting tonight if I'm not too lazy. If that's the case, I'm going to eat a lot after my bike ride because then I won't feel guilty about eating too much.
This string is a great source for finding examples of TMS (tension myoneural syndrome) pain symptoms due to perfectionist and goodist personality traits characteristic of hard driven, narcissistic over-achievers. Of course, there are real injuries recorded here due to real physical accidents, but man this string is like a rogues' gallery of PPDs (psycho-physiological disorders). There are a lot of classic examples illustrating what's known as the "symptom imperative". That's where you correct a pain symptom with an operation in one area of your body and then it migrates and manifests as another pain symptom in another region of the body. In these cases, surgery itself really acts as a very powerful placebo; that's why it worked.
I didn't say that ALL of the sport injuries described in this string were PPDs. But 90% are typical of 'ache and pain' culture as it has developed over the past 30 years in the G9 and Japan.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Oct 31, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
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How you feeling now that the nerve blocker has worn off phylp? I'm three weeks into my sling from a torn labrum surgery. Hopefully you are doin good and heal up fast.
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murcy
Gym climber
sanfrancisco
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
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Good news, and great attitude, phylp! Heal up, everyone.
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Blakey
Trad climber
Sierra Vista
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Oct 31, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
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Bruce,
When you were crawling back through the mud having shattered your calcaneus, broken your nose and fractured the occipital lobe of your skull, you told yourself that it was........
All in the mind!
;-)
Steve
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Oct 31, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
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Those were real injuries due to blunt force trauma, not changes in the neurochemistry of the brain due to emotionally repressive coping styles and memes in the social environment.
Broken bones are broken bones. But they heal in 6 to 8 weeks. Even the femur, the largest bone in your body, will heal in two months or so. It's those strange long-term injuries that take on a life of their own in the area of the brain where emotions and memories are stored that won't respond to physical modalities. In fact, treating PPDs (psycho-physiologic disorders) as if they're structural problems is very often what perpetuates them (and in the process creates a whole subculture of pseudo-medical mumbo-jumbo quackery).
They're not in the mind; they're in the neural pathways of the brain.
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Bad Climber
climber
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Oct 31, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
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My minor but limiting pulley injury (left middle finger) is finally recovering. Been climbing face 9's and even sneaked up a 10a. I pulled the bastard back in April and took a solid 4 months off--right in the prime climbing season. It killed some major plans, dang it. Seems to finally be getting back to where I'd like to be.
Now, I just hope that nagging tightness/ache in my left knee doesn't get any worse. I've had pulls/strains/tendonitis off and on since my early 20's. I'm getting better at accepting and dealing with injuries and also accepting that I don't have the world's strongest connective tissue. When I was really getting serious about climbing in my late teens/early 20's, I was definitely getting better/stronger, but injuries keep creeping in while my buddies seem to just get WAY better than I ever could. We are not all the same, that's for sure. Read The Sports Gene for more on this, great book, btw.
Still, whatever the grade, it's great to be climbing again.
Be safe. Heal well. Keep the faith.
BAd
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lucander
Trad climber
Shawangunks, New York
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Oct 31, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
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Sports Gene is great - highly recommended for anyone interested in athletic performance. I'd love to see someone like Epstein take on rock climbing and mountaineering. Most of us have probably had partners who just got so damn good so quickly - how do they do it?
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SicMic
climber
two miles from Eldorado
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Ten screws and a couple plates. We still go places. Just not as quickly.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Phyl, sounds like everything went well....now the PT. If it's like the other time sounds like you heal quickly! Good for you. "A mess in there"...sounds familiar, when I had mine done the surgeon referred to looking like "crab meat" and indeed the video confirmed.
Pat, hang tuff there. Three year cancer survivor here, an aggressive ovarian cancer. Like you, my innards always worked well and a week before Dx had been doing lots of climbing. I was shocked, stunned, numb. But once surgery and treatment started it became a laser like focus on getting through the crux of it all. It all seems like a distant memory now but during the initial process I was pretty shaken. As others have said they have many options for treatment and excellent management for the side effects.
Best of luck to you...and it sounds like you'll have great after care!
Susan
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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The mind has some powerful protective mechanisms. I have been disgustingly healthy and nearly injury free. I once lost 12 pounds during a marathon. That rapid and severe dehydration could have caused death. It only caused me to collapse. I did now know the severity of the fluid loss and was transported home by my family. After a night of dry heaves, I was finally able to take in fluid by mouth the next day. It took me two weeks to regain all the weight that I lost - 10% of my body weight.
What surprised me was that seemed to have lost control of my body in subsequent races. I would run a mile or two hard, then the speed and power would evaporate. It was like my brain decided that I was in danger and shut down my body. For months, all my races were awful and frustrating. I nearly quit running. THere was no joy and my legs were running through Mudville. Eventually, I could train hard, and even later, my brain allowed my body to race hard.
I do believe that there is some survival mechanisms built into the brain that will override our conscious efforts. Now I will present myself to the medical tent if necessary and allow an IV if I'm "down a quart or two". The recovery is fast and not the same catastrope I felt earlier. Your brain really tries to keep you alive and prevent you from inflicting the same injury.
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