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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Apr 16, 2006 - 02:10pm PT
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Hey Jaybro... how about Doriella Du Fontaine... I think of that as rap, but maybe it is really just beat.
Gil Scott-Heron is way out there, I'd definitely say closer to rap than beat. But these days, I'm afraid, the revolution would be televised... we just wouldn't be watching, we'd be posting.
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Robb
Social climber
Flathead Valley, Montana
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Apr 16, 2006 - 03:45pm PT
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RJ
Rap music....hmmmm?.....isn't that an oxymoron?
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Apr 16, 2006 - 07:03pm PT
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STFU, Ratmij...
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area
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Apr 17, 2006 - 01:27am PT
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Rajmit
Are you in Love ?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 17, 2006 - 01:32am PT
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Careful, rajmit has powers that demand respect.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Apr 17, 2006 - 05:06pm PT
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Since my name was referred to, with regards to a dispute on what is truth, on this thread and given outright on another, I am going to respond. This is not a direct response to any one person, and I ask it not to be misconstrued as one.
Yo know, I have been watching this scene develop with an increased feeling of queasiness, over about the last two months. Interestingly, the events which led to the nastiness now on display seem to have been put into process with a decision that I made to shut a door on a chapter of my life that was causing me a great deal of stress. A chapter that should have closed last year but, like a book left on a parkbench in the spring, seemed to keep having it's pages blown open. I had to do it, to save myself and move on with my life. On my end, I have stayed the course until now, by ignoring the repeated and unsolicited attempts to engage me, or simply refer to me in a way that presented a situation that was quite different than the reality.
Now, apparently, accusations have been made and denied and spun every which way. Who knows the truth? I dare say that I know, in every situation where I was involved. In places that I wasn't present, I have no idea what occurred and I really do not care. But what does irk me is that there have been instances where a ploy of misdirection has been put into play, in order to divert attention from the truth.
There are many things I would like to say. However, there are very few that I will actually comment on.
1) Nobody tells me to whom I may speak, nor what I should or should not say to them. I get to make those decisions. Early on, in the relationship with this person who named my name, an attempt was made to get me to "keep secrets." Why would I have agreed to that? I never did and thus, because I told the truth of what I have dealt with, we have the drama that unfolded over this weekend(while luckily I was blissfully oblivious, away form my computer).
2) The person accused of lying is not lying, in any event pertaining directly to me. There was another person posting who some believe is an alternate username for this individual. I have no idea if this is the case, and could care less. I was told it is not them, by the person in question, and advised who they were, and how they knew the details they had put out here. Since I have met a few people in real life who have been accused of being that person, and who have been persecuted because of it, including being banned from websites for taking that person's side, I am not so quick to assume it is the same person.
3) There are some points that are "off," in the accusations made, but I am guessing they are more the product of misremembered conversations and/or due to unclear writing. In any event - the use of highlighting these discrepancies seems to be a ploy to draw attention away from what actually did happen.
4) The internet climbing forums are a small community and, to some extent, a closed one. We live in glass houses. We see behaviors and have access to those people involved to verify accounts. Though I have really tried to stay isolated - because I do not KNOW where the boundaries lie; what is my duty, to protect other women from walking the same trail - I have had enough contact with other women to see a common thread running through. I didn't search them out; they came to me, or I accidentally stumbled across them. I actually came to Supertopo , in part, to get away from the things I was seeing on a different website. For a while I felt safe here, but in the last few months, as I mentioned, that hasn't really been the case.
I have no intention on getting into an argument of he said/she said, disputing the minutiae of small details and "what people meant." Reap, and you will sow, apparently. I understand that this is a "delicate time" for one of the people involved in this, and I am sorry to have to participate in this. But, as someone mentioned in a quasi-related article(though some wouldn't have realized that) - not naming names is tantamount to naming names. My being quiet was skewing perceptions, to some people.
Perhaps if, when I closed that door back last year, the person would have turned around and went home, this wouldn't be the case.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Apr 17, 2006 - 05:30pm PT
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Happiegrrrl, while I'm still attempting to decipher your rather cryptic message,
I want to suggest this: I really think your post deserves its own thread.
Especially since this one has pretty much run its course––and is quite long.
Also, if anyone is being stalked or harassed––through using this site––they should
"make a scene" about it; including contacting Chris. Maybe posting publicly might be
a good idea as well. Please clarify what the hell you're talking about, if you're gonna
go through the trouble of putting it out there...
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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Apr 17, 2006 - 05:35pm PT
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Happy,
Try the Steve Martin technique. Say "I break with thee, I break with thee, I break with thee," turn around three times, then spit on his shoes.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Apr 17, 2006 - 06:01pm PT
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How are we supposed to have a good internet lynching if we don't know who the hell's
being talked about? I mean either get into it, or knott––shIt or get off the pot.
Unless it was merely to vent, I really don't see the point.
The suspense is almost as intense as an episode of 24!
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Apr 17, 2006 - 06:16pm PT
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Hmmm.
OK then. I kept secrets to protect you as well as myself Terrie.
Your true nature is coming out.
I have told nothing but the truth about you. We had some big arguments. You are extremely stubborn.
You have your own other issues that you should leave me out of.
If you want richard as a friend, beware, it will probably come back to haunt you.
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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Apr 17, 2006 - 06:58pm PT
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Get a room. A court room...
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ricardo
Gym climber
San Francisco, CA
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Apr 17, 2006 - 08:01pm PT
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i thought that the best ledge to conceive .. and then walk off was the ledge on top of the 1st pitch of after-six ..
you could even walk onto that ledge ..
.. go late and you wont have anyone bugging you -- (except for maybe a free-soloist catching the last ascent of the day)
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awww f*#k it --- should have read the thread before responding ..
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Newton
Big Wall climber
Key West
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2006 - 11:14am PT
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Terrie is telling truths.
~ Curt has cancer. He uses this to garner sympathies.
~ Curt is a woman abuser.
~ Curt lies about his climbing.
The first two are both true simultaneously. He plays this card all the time. You people give him sympathies and he then uses it to further his stalking.
drkodos is telling truths.
~ He has MS
~ He is a real climber.
~ He is a victims rights advocate. He defends those that cannot, or are afraid to defend themselves.
He does not use it to garner sympathies. He has seen firsthand what dirtin eye tried to do to me. curt is a phony climber. period. He has intimidated Terrie and she is afraid of him because of what he has done and will do to her.
And you people ban the real deal and allow this phony woman hater free access and reign for his hurtful lies that he spins. He is the one that need medication for his illnesses.
I am done with this board. Whoever you think I am I do not care. I go back to my life of helpiung people get better and feel better. I also hope to get back into climbing. And I hope I do not have to run into too many of you people that refuse to accept the truth that you have picked the worng side of the issue to defend.
God knows the truth and he will have the final say. I am at peace with myself and my Lord because I have spoken truthfuly.
God Bless ALL of you and may he welcome you when you are done here in your vessels.
"But as many as
RECEIVED HIM
to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name." John 1:12
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Apr 18, 2006 - 11:17am PT
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I feel sorry for you.
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dmitry
Trad climber
Chita, Russia
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Apr 18, 2006 - 04:23pm PT
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wow, the more things change here, the more they remain the same...
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Tahoe climber
Trad climber
Tahoe
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Apr 18, 2006 - 09:31pm PT
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I simply can't imagine how much suffering this thread alone and others like it have caused.
I can say this: this is not what climbing is about. This is a climbing forum. Whichever of you is in the wrong, you should be ashamed of yourself, whether we'll ever know the truth or not. I am deeply saddened by what this thread, and in a larger sense, by what this forum has turned into.
I can also say this: happiegirl - I have always greatly enjoyed reading your posts, and I hope you and maculated and crimpie the other few female climbers that post on here somewhat regularly remain. It's a selfish hope - frankly, I just like reading your points of view on all things climbing related, and on many other topics as well. Please don't let a few dummies ruin it or especially climbing for you.
Thanks for listening.
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BPorter
Big Wall climber
Quartz Hill, Ca
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Apr 18, 2006 - 09:36pm PT
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Newt,
"I go back to my life of helpiung people get better and feel better."
If this thread is any indication, God help those you try to help !!
Cracko
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Apr 18, 2006 - 09:52pm PT
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[edit] Aww shucks, I'm too late to suggest to Newton a good ledge from where to watch the tourons while [s]he got the shagging of her life. It's obvious, the Arrow Tip is the place to be.
[Edit2] Whoa, this is some good chit we're all smokin' here. Well, at least one person is smokin'... (an it t'aint me)
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Apr 19, 2006 - 12:43am PT
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After reading all of the above I need a vacation.
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roslyn
Trad climber
washington
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Apr 19, 2006 - 12:54am PT
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"Barring that, we should not be probing into what is a personal relationship between a man and a woman on this forum ".
Well that hasn't stopped LEB or anyone else from getting in on the fun. Lois, i'm curious why you contacted richard. Why get involved in the drama?
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