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HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Nov 21, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
Good ole' George Z.
Illuminating the idiocy of giving a gun and a badge to any damned fool wanna be cop.
I'll bet there are some jurors with second thoughts. Besides the one juror who's already come out.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Nov 21, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
Illuminating the idiocy of giving a gun and a badge to any damned fool wanna be cop.
Who gave whom a gun or a badge? Can't think of anything like that related to the Zimm/TM case.
Zimm bought his gun (in accordance with his constitutional rights), and he never had any badge that I've ever heard of.

I suppose to people who use high profile cases like this as a proxy to support whatever there world view is, the details don't really matter.



HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Nov 21, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
blahblah
OK, I stand corrected.
It was his own gun. He had been given the implicit if not explicit permission of his "community" and Florida law to carry it.

No, he didn't have an actual badge. He had the EXPLICIT imprimatur of the community to be patrolling at night. With his gun. This was Zimmerman's state of mind as proven by the known sequence of events.

Regardless of who was at fault for originating the confrontation, allowing an unqualified and untrained person to operate in that capacity has proven to be lunacy. When confronted (from behind) by a person in the night with no police badge Martin had two choices. Fight or flee. He obviously made a bad choice.
Especially since it now appears Zimmerman is emotionally unstable.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 21, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
Zim is an idiot.

But it doesn't change the fact that most of the criminals who are legally shot while perpetrating violent crimes are shot by civilians rather than cops.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 21, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
Dr F writes:

"I wonder when blah, Chaz and Dirt Claud will stop trying to be apologists for Zim"



Only in your imagination am I defending Zimmermann.

Are you sure you're a doctor?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Nov 21, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
most of the criminals who are legally shot while perpetrating violent crimes are shot by civilians rather than cops.

interesting, Toker

got a link, a source, as to where you got this assumption?
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Nov 21, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
But it doesn't change the fact that most of the criminals who are legally shot while perpetrating violent crimes are shot by civilians rather than cops.

Meaningless statistic, even if true, but I can say without a shred of research that 100% of civilians or cops that are illegally shot are shot by criminals with guns, and that number is orders of magnitude higher than the number of criminals shot by cops or civilians.

Its some consolation that some people will now see the kind of person they've been defending, as if it wasn't obvious from the start.

TE


Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 21, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
If you believe a man being beaten when he's down has a right to defend himself, it doesn't follow that you support domestic violence.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 21, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
If you don't think a man has the right to defend himself from attack by an armed assailant, you must believe in domestic violence.

And I don't count Skittles as a weapon, so don't go there.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 21, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
Once you have a guy on the ground, you have to stop beating on him. You can only legally employ violence in support of self-defense.

Too bad New Girlfriend didn't have a gun, because it seems as if she had a Stand-Your-Ground situation of her own at work there.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 22, 2013 - 10:40am PT
Once you have a guy on the ground, you have to stop beating on him.

Sorry, Chaz, if a guy's come after me with a gun and I got him on the ground, I ain't letting him up.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Nov 22, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
a bunch of wusses "discussing" excuses for their own weakness, submissiveness to criminals, inability and refusal to stand up for themselves, and general lack of guts, and other liberal vomit.
I'll go out an' git me a Glock this weekend. 3 magazines and 2 boxes of full metal jacket ammo. Then uh won' be a sniveling pussy no more.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Nov 22, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
"And other liberal bullshit" . LOL.

You sound like such a savage Tioga do you have hair on your chest or just your palms?
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Jan 14, 2014 - 02:07pm PT
^I'm totally okay with people carrying concealed weapons in their own home.


and on that subject, this has got to be one of the most poorly written articles ever penned
CARSON CITY, NV - A scary situation for a Carson City homeowner Thursday night. A man, covered in blood, broke into a home. But the homeowner quickly grabbed a gun, and opened fire.

According to Carson City Sheriff Ken Furlong, a man was spotted in the area of Butti Way and Airport Road with blood all over him just before 5:00 p.m Thursday.

Minutes earlier, the man ran into a home in the 3100 block of Desatoya Drive where a homeowner opened fire on the man, as he was trying to enter his house.

The homeowner pulled out a gun and shot toward the intruder several times. Officials believe the intruder was shot in the leg, but it's unclear if that happened before or after breaking into the home.

According to the Carson City Sheriff, the intruder then fled the home and jumped a fence where he first spotted. He was caught by deputies nearby.

The man was then taken to Renown Regional Medical Center.

The residents of the house, the man and his wife, were treated for minor injuries. The Carson City Sheriff's Office did not specify how they were injured.

from most of the updates it appears he never entered the home, but was shot in the back yard after jumping the fence. and it doesn't look like he was planning to hurt anybody, but was running from another altercation.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Jan 14, 2014 - 02:40pm PT
like i said, the LATEST UPDATES point to him only entering the back yard.
Update: A man is being transported via Careflight to Renown Medical Center in Reno for a gunshot wound to the leg.
According to Carson City Sheriff Kenny Furlong, the man was seen running though the city's corporate yard area on Butti Way. He then ran into the backyard of home in the 3100 block Desatoya. The resident of that home reportedly fired several shots at the alleged intruder, striking him in the leg.
Furlong said they think this man was the only suspect involved. The man was said to be bloodied at the time he entered the backyard. Detectives were called to second home where the altercation may have started, said Furlong. According to deputies on the scene, several subjects are in custody at that second home.

Besides, it's not like he was carrying a loaded tube of biscuits or anything.
abrams

Sport climber
Jan 14, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
The morbid curiosity factor of the Florida Theater shooting is a 10 here.
Need to get the victims last words TEXT'd so the headline can be:
Man Dies Because He Had To Send This Stupid Message.....
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
May 17, 2014 - 03:15pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://www.salon.com/2014/05/17/white_supremacist_george_zimmerman_defender_flip_flops_says_he_should_have_been_found_guilty_partner/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

I feel extremely creeped out now....must wash hands..
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 24, 2015 - 12:36pm PT
The Justice Department said its independent investigation found "insufficient evidence" to charge George Zimmerman with federal civil right violations in the shooting death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin.

Attorney General Eric Holder said the evidence did not meet the "high standard for a federal hate crime prosecution," but the decision should not end efforts to explore racial tensions in the justice system. The decision closes the federal investigation.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
May 11, 2015 - 11:18am PT
Zimmerman just got injured from a gunshot?
Gary

Social climber
From A Buick 6
May 11, 2015 - 01:34pm PT
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-george-zimmerman-shooting-20150511-story.html

Road rage incident.
George Zimmerman, who has had a series of legal scrapes since he was acquitted in the death of Trayvon Martin, was involved in a shooting in Lake Mary, Fla., police said Monday.

Zimmerman had a confrontation with a man named Matthew Apperson, who reported the shooting to 911, Lake Mary Police Officer Bianca Gillett said at a news conference. Zimmerman was not the shooter, she told reporters.

Last September, Apperson had a confrontation during what police said was a road rage incident. No charges were involved.

Gillette says investigators have not determined how or why the latest confrontation took place.

Attorney Don West, who represents Zimmerman, told the Associated Press that a bullet missed Zimmerman's head. Zimmerman was sprayed with glass from his vehicle's windshield and other debris, said the lawyer who added that Zimmerman was treated and released from a hospital.
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