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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jul 18, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
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""Shoot first ask questions later" is no longer a hyperbolic description of America. You can't drive with a BAC over .08, but feel free to shoot people. "
That what these guys who defend GZ don't get.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jul 18, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
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Riley excused Godwin's law only applies to uneducated insults .
Godwin's Law is Godwin's Law and there is only one Godwin's Law:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.10/godwin.if_pr.html
You cannot pardon yourself from Godwin's Law. You cannot rationalize yourself away from Godwin's Law, for if you have invoked Godwin's Law you are beyond reason, irrational in your posting and in need of rescue.
The Republicans are not Nazis. They are blind in their rhetoric and have lost their way, but they are not Nazis. Step away from the keyboard.
The power of the post compels you!
The power of the post compels you!
The power of the post compels you!
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Jul 19, 2013 - 06:49am PT
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Never having "slammed" anyone's head on concrete (or thankfully not having had it done to me) I'm very curious how Trayvon was able to grasp Mr Zimmerman's head with sufficient means to cause damage. Pictures of George soon after the incident indicate his hair was too short to clasp.
Would clutching by the ears be sufficient? His ears, in photos taken soon after the struggle show no evidence of rough handling or turbulent manipulation...
(And none of Mr Zimmerman's DNA was found under Trayvon's fingernails)
Contradicting George Zimmerman’s account that Trayvon Martin had slammed his head into the pavement "again and again", medical examiner Dr. Valerie Rao testified that Zimmerman’s head wounds could have come from a single blow. “To me, the word ‘slam’ implies great force,” ..."And this, the resultant injuries, are not great force.”
And Mr.Jonathan Good, a neighbor of George Zimmerman, says that although he saw a figure believed to be Trayvon Martin straddling George Zimmerman, he did not see Zimmerman’s head being slammed into the concrete.
Could the lacerations to the back of George's head been caused in a fall from a punch Trayvon dispensed? ...and the "head slamming" been a fiction GZ used to exploit the cuts ??
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 19, 2013 - 08:58am PT
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Oooh owie boo boo. Does he need a bandaid or will a tissue do?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jul 19, 2013 - 09:21am PT
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During the trial, a neighbor reported that he heard the ruckus and went to see what was going on. He sees Trayvon, on top of Zimmerman, totally beating Zimmermans ass. How did Zimmerman get a shot off from the ground with a dude on top of him whaling on him?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Jul 19, 2013 - 09:57am PT
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Mr Zimmerman claimed Trayvon was on his chest and pinning his shoulders down with his knees.
With George's shoulders pinned...and Trayvon's lower leg positioned along GZ's sides...I have difficulty seeing how he had mobility to reach the gun (Trayvon's leg being in the way), bring it up past Trayvon's knee and shoot him squarely in the chest.
Could George have fired the fatal shot after Trayvon let him up?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jul 19, 2013 - 11:44am PT
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But as you have eloquently displayed the entire thing is a fabrication and a lie and doesn't make sense. Even the defense witness, who was Zimmerman's friend, changed his story and had to be prodded by the defense on what he saw.
We just know one thing - Zimmerman is a liar and the story doesn't add up.
I think Zimmerman grabbed him and the kid fought back.
Zimmerman is so stupid and has so little respect for life he pulled his gun and shot him.
A coward who wanted to use his new toy.
per riley's MO, he ASSumes everything without regard to fact. displays his laser like focus to know more than the jurists who sat there for weeks, while riley depends upon twisted news for his facts.
get a grip dude.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 19, 2013 - 11:51am PT
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Don't look now Ron but Benghazigunnagitya.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 19, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
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If I was Zimmerman, I'd be more worried about Martin's dad than the Panthers.
After a member of his family was attacked and killed by Zimmerman, Martin's dad must justifiably be in fear of his life. And in Florida, if you just feel you might be in danger, we know what can happen.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jul 19, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
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Another republitard, ass licking
wrong again. best we can hope for in your case is your meds to stabilize your mental issues.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jul 19, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
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I know this has been brought up before, but, the jury's choice was 1) guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, or 2) not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They had reasonable doubt. That doesn't mean Zimmerman is innocent.
All of the Monday morning quarterbacking going on here is kinda silly. Case is over. Time to learn from it and move on.
What we can learn-
1) Maybe Florida's stand your ground law goes too far. That's something for the people of FL to discuss and decide.
2) Don't fight in the dark with strangers unless there is absolutely no alternative.
Last, in my view, Zimmerman is an overzealous cop wannabe putz. But Martin's death was a Darwin event. I bet that kid could run like the wind. It would have been a much better choice, personally and evolutionarily, than fighting with a creepy weirdo in the dark.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 19, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
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Dr F.,
The cops took those pictures, the night of the incident. You need to pay better attention to what's going on.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 19, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
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Simply google "zimmerman photos night of shooting".
I did. I found hundreds of links.
Are you sure you're a doctor?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 19, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
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I bet that kid could run like the wind.
Martin was a hero, stepping up to protect his friends and neighbors from an armed intruder in the night. Who knows what Zimmerman would have done with that gun? He had a history of violence. he lied to the court. The dude is a sociopath, yet he walks by night among you. Feel safe?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 19, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
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Dr F.,
Your "link" comes back saying "Server Error in '/' Application" "The resource cannot be found"
HERE'S a resource that can actually be found:
http://www.wtsp.com/news/photo-gallery.aspx?storyid=255685
Note the photo captions: "Police Photo showing George Zimmer's appearance on the night of the Trayvon Martin shooting".
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jul 19, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
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Martin was a hero, stepping up to protect his friends and neighbors from an armed intruder in the night.
What strange and distant planet do you live on?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 19, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
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I believe he is coming from from the planet sarcasm.
OK Chazmeister I checked your link and still call BS on the "severity" of Zimmies owies.
Those are not serious booboos. My kids got worse bangs and bruises on the playground in elementary school and they kept playing. Lets get a reaction from a doctor or trauma specialist on how long they think those gaping head wounds bled till clotted. My guess is 5 minutes or less based on the dried blood flow. And yes I have some experience in the whole clot time factor. So lets see the MRI of Zimmie's brain. Let's see the evidence of a concussion. Surely there must be some evidence of major trauma if Zimmie was really getting beat down enough to claim his life was threatened.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 19, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
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Don't give up so easy, Dr F. You were working very hard trying not to understand things. It'd be a shame for you to quit now.
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