Chessler... is it April fool's Day already?

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
This thread has been locked
Messages 141 - 160 of total 185 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
bookie

climber
Jan 9, 2012 - 01:11am PT
Hey Maui Mark...

Learn how to read! I never said Layton was a friend, I only met him once in a hotel room in Kingman Arizona to give him $4000, and who gives a sh#t what my motive was. (It certainly wasn't for what guys sometimes have to pay for in a hotel room. That is a non sequitur joke for those reading this who don't get my jokes.)

Friends..... Yeah this is the Super Topo Forum, if you want a friend.... get a dog.

Tami,

Yes, I made a mistake writing 2011 instead of 2001. Now you got a job, please proof read my website for me. All 8000 books. Also, please update all my images as I increased jpeg size from 300 to 400 pixels now, tell me which ones I have to re-do. And I won't "fire" you!

Also, as you are bi or multi - lingual Canadian, can you translate Olevesky's last posting, I am sorry but it is so "in" I don't understand what the clown said!

Talking about the death of the printed book, you may have noticed that Costco, who is a major bookseller now, has cut back on their book titles and inventory. I was told that it is because there was so much "shrinkage," which is polite-speak for shoplifting.

My take on that is people are not satisfied with a 30%-40% discount on books that Amazon and Costco gives. Since TV can be legally free, music can be illegally free, movies ought to be free, and some electronic books are free, now they want new best-sellers for free.

One time I was giving away so many free books in orders, people were sending them back thinking I made a mistake. So I had to buy a rubber stamp that says "Free Gift" and use it on post-its on the books.

Mike

bookie

climber
Jan 9, 2012 - 02:44am PT
Maui whatever your name is,

I just cancelled my supertopo ad campaign. If that was your intent, you achieved it. I recently won a minor battle with the AAC, through the use of public forums and media, so I know how this works. You win, I lose. G'bye.

I did not start this thread, and I do actually have the freedom to say whatever I want, sell whatever I want for how much I want, to whom I want. I am free to disagree with whoever the hell you are, and realize that because this website and forum is so insular, 99.99% of my actual customers will never see or hear about this train wreck.

And they would be puzzled if they did. And the customer is not always right, who the hell said that they were? Nobody is always right. Except me of course. [Sarcasm intended, for the dim-witted who thought I meant that.]

Customers have no allegiance to anybody anymore, so why allow yourself to be used by customers or anybody? Did you know Amazon is now PAYING customers to go into shops and compare prices with Amazon with a free Amazon app on their smartphones that reads bar codes, and if they then buy that items from Amazon they get a $5 discount? That borders on criminal activity, as a store is private property. When this Amazon thing all falls out, remember you heard it here first; "you'll be sorry", and "I told you so."

I tried to enlighten you about the state of the retail world now, especially the book world, using my business as an example of the dramatic destruction of the retail infrastructure in America by Amazon and the Internet, that will make Walmart's destruction of downtown American cities and towns look like small stuff. I guess serious and important is not as sexy as trying to find some negative gossip on somebody of achievement. America's great past-time.

I know that you have to be part of the "crowd" to be believed on this forum, and that is one place you won't find me. I was never a joiner.

As far as losing customers, I also never thought that I would find potential customers on a website forum thread whose purpose started out specifically to ridicule some trivial item that I offered for sale on my own website. I have already lost thousands of customers to the internet, and millions of dollars, as all bookshops did. Punks with threats like you I squish like a bug.

For those of you who thought I was selling fake manila climbing ropes, or offering them to be used in climbing, shame on you. The fact that Werner appears to misinterpret every sentence I write means that either he better go back to English school, or that he was just trying to twist what I said to get my goat. I met him once, I don't think we talked, so such hostility comes from someplace I'd rather not know about. Part of the crowd, so follow the crowd.

There are thoughtful souls who actually know me and who see this forum as the bullshit it is.

So even though I was rock climbing and mountaineering while most of you were in diapers, or not yet born, I never hung with the boys. My bad.

I wish you all a fond farewell.

Michael Chessler
rand0M aXiS

Trad climber
Beserkeley
Jan 9, 2012 - 02:55am PT
Don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out CHISSELER.....
slobmonster

Trad climber
OAK (nee NH)
Jan 9, 2012 - 03:03am PT
I realize that you have to be part of the "crowd" to be believed on this forum.

Michael, you are quite believable. Back in the day (my day, mind you, I'm in my 30s) (so this would have been high school for me) I dutifully scoured your available pieces for sale. I found it fascinating, that this esoteric and tweaky pastime would have such a viable interlocutor. I found that there was an implied value in keeping things that were of interest to "us," so I did so.

Lord knows your impression of "the crowd" is awfully misconstrued. Are you seriously talking about a half dozen internet tough guys? Some dudes and dudettes, some of them with legitimate FA cachet, that have a talent for satire and critique that buckles your swash?

Unfortunately, you are being a total dick, right now. It might be time to spread your wings and find a real job.
Conrad

climber
Jan 9, 2012 - 07:04am PT
From the King James version:

John 8:7

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

We all have our weaknesses and foibles. None of us are perfect.

Michael has found a niche with in the book market and caters to the literary background climbing is based on. The written word is part of our collective heritage. That it takes the form of an online community seems like a logical progression. I have purchased books from Michael, signed books for him and asked questions of him regarding obscure books. I respect Michael.

The degree of animosity on this thread is unfortunate. We are here to enjoy this short life and help people out. Do no harm. This simple axiom is a guiding principle in my life. Is selling vintage Swiss rope doing harm?



couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 9, 2012 - 09:11am PT
I agree with Conrad up thread a couple posts. No sense being nasty like that. Although I will note MC, there was no need to go for the "dead and rotting meat option" to catch the flies even if you didn't want to do the honey over the vinegar. Good luck in your endeavors regardless. (sarcasm absent)

Michael Chessler said:
"Maui whatever your name is,

I just cancelled my supertopo ad campaign. If that was your intent, you achieved it. I recently won a minor battle with the AAC, through the use of public forums and media, so I know how this works. You win, I lose. G'bye.

I did not start this thread, and I do actually have the freedom to say whatever I want, sell whatever I want for how much I want, to whom I want. I am free to disagree with whoever the hell you are, and realize that because this website and forum is so insular, 99.99% of my actual customers will never see or hear about this train wreck.

And they would be puzzled if they did. And the customer is not always right, who the hell said that they were? Nobody is always right. Except me of course. [Sarcasm intended, for the dim-witted who thought I meant that.]

Customers have no allegiance to anybody anymore, so why allow yourself to be used by customers or anybody? Did you know Amazon is now PAYING customers to go into shops and compare prices with Amazon with a free Amazon app on their smartphones that reads bar codes, and if they then buy that items from Amazon they get a $5 discount? That borders on criminal activity, as a store is private property. When this Amazon thing all falls out, remember you heard it here first; "you'll be sorry", and "I told you so."

I tried to enlighten you about the state of the retail world now, especially the book world, using my business as an example of the dramatic destruction of the retail infrastructure in America by Amazon and the Internet, that will make Walmart's destruction of downtown American cities and towns look like small stuff. I guess serious and important is not as sexy as trying to find some negative gossip on somebody of achievement. America's great past-time.

I know that you have to be part of the "crowd" to be believed on this forum, and that is one place you won't find me. I was never a joiner.

As far as losing customers, I also never thought that I would find potential customers on a website forum thread whose purpose started out specifically to ridicule some trivial item that I offered for sale on my own website. I have already lost thousands of customers to the internet, and millions of dollars, as all bookshops did. Punks with threats like you I squish like a bug.

For those of you who thought I was selling fake manila climbing ropes, or offering them to be used in climbing, shame on you. The fact that Werner appears to misinterpret every sentence I write means that either he better go back to English school, or that he was just trying to twist what I said to get my goat. I met him once, I don't think we talked, so such hostility comes from someplace I'd rather not know about. Part of the crowd, so follow the crowd.

There are thoughtful souls who actually know me and who see this forum as the bullshit it is.

So even though I was rock climbing and mountaineering while most of you were in diapers, or not yet born, I never hung with the boys. My bad.

I wish you all a fond farewell.

Michael Chessler "
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 9, 2012 - 10:25am PT
i've known other people in the book business, and i'm afraid this personality doesn't surprise me.

i was going to thank michael for things like this:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1701901&msg=1701901#msg1701901

and would have corrected this:

customers have no allegiance to anybody anymore

but, i have to say, sadly, in his case, he's managed to lose mine.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jan 9, 2012 - 10:36am PT
add me to the embargo list.

i vow to never purchase anything from this weasle.
and i'll spread my 2 cents liberally
around the non-taco climbing communtiy.


welcome to accountability, sir.
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Jan 9, 2012 - 10:39am PT
Great post, Conrad........rings true everytime.....thanks...


Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 9, 2012 - 11:01am PT
Friends..... Yeah this is the Super Topo Forum, if you want a friend.... get a dog.

Actually I've made friends with a number of the people here.

Ever been to a party where you know and are cool with most of the people, and then some guy walks in, unknown to most, and starts picking fights with anyone he talks to?

In this case the irony is that the guy is an incredibly learned scholar on the subject central to most here. He could have been a valuable asset, and still could be if he could pull off a shipoopie.

Could it be that, so resentful of what the net has done to the book biz, Chessler has failed to acquire basic net savvy and any troller can hook him with as little as a bent paper clip? If so leave him be. It is like putting up a bolt ladder on a 5.4 slab.



bookie,
thicken up that skin and learn to choose your battles, and use humor to slough off the trolls.

But most important, take a lesson from Steve, admit you were out of line, be contrite, make amends.
I can't say all will be forgiving, but I'm virtually certain that most will.

As for your seniority; just remember that after going from diapers to diaper slings you should consider yourself lucky to go back to diapers.
cintune

climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
Jan 9, 2012 - 11:05am PT
Chess strategy is the aspect of chess playing concerned with evaluation of chess positions and setting of goals and long-term plans for future play.... Chess strategy is distinguished from chess tactics, which is the aspect of chess playing concerned with the move-by-move setting up of threats and defenses.... This distinction affects the immediacy with which a sought-after plan should take effect. Until players reach the skill level of "master", chess tactics tend to ultimately decide the outcomes of games more often than strategy does. Many chess coaches thus emphasize the study of tactics as the most efficient way to improve one's results in serious chess play.

#irony
YoungGun

climber
North
Jan 9, 2012 - 11:41am PT
Locker is like a dog with a bone..... and it's always fun to watch a K9 try to kill something that's already dead =)
crunch

Social climber
CO
Jan 9, 2012 - 11:57am PT
Hey bookie, you got any of those manila ropes in bicolor?
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 9, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
It started innocently enough...

Chessler, are you serious?

My question was both ironic and tongue in cheek. I have never been one to purposely incite a riot. It just seemed an odd antiquarian item as it will have a finite lifetime before it becomes dust with zero value whereas a book, a signed pin, or an ancient ice axe will/should be around forever and will/should appreciate in value.

From that simple OP where I intended no harm we have arrived at this point. If my OP ruffled feathers I apologize. But if it served to alert the community to issues boiling at the bottom of the pot then perhaps my incredulousness at the beginning brought about some painful but deserved results.

Now, about this bag o' tat I have for sale collected from some of the Valley's steepest 5.4 routes... Hmmm, what price should I ask...
Ball

Gym climber
Alanta
Jan 10, 2012 - 02:37pm PT
After reading this thread three things come to mind.

Supertopos is full of a$$ holes

Chessler is a dumb a$$

Piton Ron is really an arrogant self important a$$hole
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 10, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The community can always count on wise words from someone who has no clue about the community. His first post... way to make your mark!
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 10, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 10, 2012 - 03:26pm PT
That pic took me a second!
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 10, 2012 - 06:17pm PT
You guys really are a bunch of a$$holes.

I also detect a ton of envy here.

Your job is a bunch of sweat, rocket science and low pay, while this guy is out making more money than you selling discarded crap to dorks, yuppies and noobs. The same people your climbing ego looks down upon have made him a bunch of money.

I'm with Werner. This guy OWNES you.

Carry on. I'm sure calling him names makes you feel better.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 10, 2012 - 07:06pm PT
JLP, don't you know what ST really stands for?




















Super Trotskyites - "Just wait until we come to power!"
Messages 141 - 160 of total 185 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
 
Our Guidebooks
spacerCheck 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks

guidebook icon
Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Recent Route Beta