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TheTye
Trad climber
Sacramento CA
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Oh, and advise-wise, I always feel best when I'm getting an obnoxious amount of greens (Kale, Collards, Mustard)
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enjoimx
Trad climber
Yosemite, ca
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Apr 14, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 16, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
I've just in the last 2 weeks learned all the science behind green smoothies - been playing with juicing for about a month also.
But this greeen smoothie thing is amazing concerning how much nutriton we are talking about.
I have never dropped weight so easily - it is much easier and quicker than being a general vegan. You are much fuller.I had been told this by a few docs before but hadnt paid attention.
And I am getting much more protien into myself with the larger amounts of greens and the fact that the cellulose is already busted up.
I feel it..
But the greatest thing is that I can eat everything now. I hate cooking.
But now I can walk into a store and be eating any green vegtable i want in a few minutes.
My favorite so far has been a Cilantro smoothie.
I'm going to make a Douglas Fir Needle smoothie on my days off - i have the recipe.
And if I can find them I am going to make a Dandelion greens smoothie.
And if I can find stinging nettles still I will also do that...lol
riley
Juicing. What about the problem of removing fiber from the vegetables and fruits? The fiber in these foods helps prevent the spike in blood sugar. When you juice, don't you end up with high calorie product that is void of dietary fiber?
Any thoughts on problems with juicing? Reason I ask is because I want to get a juicer but not sure if the health benefits are actually that astounding. Read some articles that claim juicing isn't as amazing as some claim. I guess that is the nature of nutrition in general though.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 15, 2013 - 12:10am PT
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Would consider it, but the greens are out for kidney stones and the whole legume family doesn't sit well gastro-wise...sigh.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Apr 15, 2013 - 12:14am PT
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I think one should just have a sensible, balanced diet.
Vegan, Schmegan.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Apr 15, 2013 - 12:15am PT
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Yes, enjoimx you are right. Fiber is important to slow down the absorption but also beneficial bacteria in the gut feed on fiber (soluble and insoluble), so blending over juicing is preferred. The only time I will juice is if I'm making a couple of liters of orange juice and greens. I'll juice a few oranges, then in a blender, add in lots of greens, followed by the rest of the oranges. When some say they are juicing, they often mean they are making juice by blending.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Thanks for this thread gang. I'm going to be watching it along with Ed H's new Climber Visionary thread. I'm 70-80% there on the food thing and pretty lucid on the vision! It's all good and inspiring. Climber as Visionary - Climber as Vegetarian!
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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YER ALL GUNNA DIE !
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McCfly
climber
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Jun 28, 2013 - 12:04am PT
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Now that is funny.
Been vegetarian on and off most my life. Been doing the vegan thing for 3-4 months now and loving it. I never felt so good and i have always lived odd mostly fresh fruits and veg and whole grains. Loosing the dairy and processed sugar has been a huge difference in how I feel.
For those whom struggle with weight it may be something to consider. Seems to me pretty much impossible to gain much of any if any weight living on fruit vegetables and nuts.
And my pallet has not suffered for the cause. Pretty easy these days to find killer recipes on the net these days.
Oh yeah no caffeine, mind altering chemicals, drugs or alcohol.
One of my favs so far..
http://ohsheglows.com/
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LilaBiene
Trad climber
Technically...the spawning grounds of Yosemite
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Jul 23, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
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Yikes...I have debated back and forth about asking about this, but I could really use some input from folks with experience. Anyone ever battled SIBO?
Two years ago I went grain-free and felt absolutely fantastic for a year and a half, until I was exposed to gluten at a restaurant about six months ago. Since then, my body started rejecting one form of protein after another and I'm a mess of muscle spasms without remorse. I tested positive for SIBO last week and am currently on a rediculously expensive round of antibiotics.
Weary of fiddling with and adjusting my diet constantly, I've been working with a phenomenal nutritionist. I'm presently waiting for the other shoe to drop indicating the necessity of yet another major overhaul of my diet (it's coming after the antibiotics). I've read quite a bit about PALEO, GAPS, etc., and will of course follow the recommendations of my doctor and nutritionist, but wanted to ask whether anybody has any suggestions. If they take away most of my carbs, how the heck am I going to fuel for e.g., my longer-distance swims, trail runs, etc.?
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Jul 23, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
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This entire thread is very strange. For many years I ate a can of tuna daily for lunch. Served me well.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Weird it is. But hey, what we put in bears a lot of responsibility for what comes out. I just had a gastroenterologist put me on a "FODMAP" diet that eliminates wheat, most dairy, and many fruits and vegetables. It's pretty hard because it also removes many alternatives that I would naturally substitute for a bread/pasta-centric diet (e.g. lentils, beans, tofu or soy products). Also, many "wheat free" pre-made products include chickpea flour or other stuff that is excluded by the diet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FODMAP
This appears to be a catch-all plan when they haven't zeroed in on specific culprits or diagnosis for intestinal inflammation.
I've been doing it for about two weeks now, and here are my observations so far:
1) I eat a lot more chicken and turkey because I haven't figured out how to feel full and satisfied after every meal without eating wheat.
2) The "wheat free" and "gluten free" pre-made cookies in the grocery store are expensive as heck and seem like they have other junk in them that just excludes wheat. Doesn't seem like real food, and I feel more guilty eating it than the satisfaction I hope to get by eating it.
3) Giving up yogurt makes a big hole in my diet... I have tried to fill it with a type of Kiefer that is "99% lactose free" which I presume means it has 1% lactose and I shouldn't be eating it, but I do anyways.
4) I caught a cold / chest infection from my son in the days before the dietary change. I haven't been able to kick this chest infection for two full weeks. Lame immune system in relation to dietary changes?
5) Overall I eat dramatically less bakery junk food. I'm probably going to lose weight even though I don't have that as a goal (I'm 6'1", 165 lbs). I'm just learning to cope with that constant craving for "something" that I can't figure out. I used to fill it with yogurt, Trader Joe's coffee cake, bread & jam, apple sauce, oranges. I can eat none of these things now except oranges.
6) Best food I've had is a carbonara variation made from: brown rice pasta; egg whites; parmesan cheese (which is allowed in moderation); peas; turkey bacon. It's a fairly normal seeming meal that my kids enjoyed eating too (they didn't notice the difference from the way I used to make it with normal wheat pasta and regular eggs).
7) I took the kids to get ice cream yesterday (didn't have any myself), and I found perhaps as much pleasure (if not more) than they did when I treated myself to a couple of oranges. Heaven!
8) Trader Joe's gluten-free brownie mix is not bad. Not good as regular ones, but they do a passable job to address baked sweet cravings (if a bit over-chocolatey and bitter).
I definitely need some inspiration for shifting my diet, and figuring out what kind of stuff I can eat to fill those continual gnawing cravings. I tend to munch/graze and this topic is always close to my consciousness now. I am awaiting a FODMAP cookbook, we'll see if that helps. By posting here, I postponed checking my cabinets by a few extra minutes.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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My girlfriend is vegan, any recipes to recommend? I saw the link upthread, just curious if anyone has something great that they make.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jgill said: "This entire thread is very strange. For many years I ate a can of tuna daily for lunch. Served me well." Tuna must have more mercury now than back then John. No one recommends a can of tuna fish daily as anything other than a way to loose all your hair due to mercury poisoning. Really. Tuna is OK to eat, but moderation is the watchword, especially for kids.
The claim "Your Tuna Is Getting More Toxic
Federal study: Tuna and other Pacific fish has 30% more toxic mercury than in 1990 and will grow 50% more contaminated by 2050.
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/tuna-mercury-47050102
...and as if on cue the inevitable litigation "Man Sues BumbleBee Tuna, Grocery For Mercury Poisoning
It's an American tale that never gets old: man makes bad decision. Man suffers consequences of said decision. Man sues. In this latest telling, a 48-year-old BMW salesman from Westchester is suing Bumblebee tuna and his local Stop & Shop for his 10 can a week tuna habit, saying it left him with mercury poisoning. "There was tuna in my diet every day, just about," Lee Porrazzo told the Post. "I thought it was the cleanest source of protein." Hopefully he wasn't planning on doing theater any time soon.
It's unclear whether he was eating the solid albacore or the chunk light variety, but EPA and FDA data say anyone over 150 pounds should at most be eating one can of albacore every nine days or one can of chunk light every three days. Porrazzo said he and his roommate stocked up on the stuff because it was "usually on sale," and commercials advertised it as heart healthy. His suit claims that after two years of his tuna diet, his blood mercury levels were 23 micrograms per liter, twice the normal amount. He said he's had to stop working out and has lost over 30 pounds."
http://gothamist.com/2010/10/19/man_eats_absurd_amount_of_tuna_gets.php
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Brandon: veg chili
I make the tomato sauce with finely diced carrots/celery to give more texture, sometimes throw in some of that fake 'ground round' stuff, onions, peppers, all kind of beans, spices and eat on its own or with some bulgur or rice, etc.
actually might make some tonight.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Thanks eKat, I'll give that a try.
Giving up soy milk is also hard for me- that and Yogurt has been my main calcium source for decades. But I just tried almond milk, and it's pretty good (actually a little too close to cow milk for my taste!). Rice milk is like a watery sugary nutrient-free void.
I am allowed to eat strawberries and blueberries and bananas (as long as they're ripe enough to have spots). I see a lot of almond milk strawberry blueberry banana smoothies in my future.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Good idea, eKat, I'll have to try that. (The kefir and berries)
Vegan is super hard to cook. It's the little things that get you, IMO.
Edit; Wait, I just wikipediaed kefir, it doesn't seem vegan to me. Inoculated cow and goats milk? What's that mean?
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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I went into retro-grade this year on my Bishop trip and ate a whole can of spam by myself. I wanted to share but nobody would have anything to do with it. I just had to try some of the new stuff. This one was 'Hickory' flavored. I heard a story on NPR about SPAM and just could not shake my hunger! Fortunately I broke my ankle, probably because I ate SPAM, and am taking better care of myself now.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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So, it's not vegan.
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