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Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
Curt, how does the Navy use Bayesian statistical theory?

I have no idea. See how easy that is? I simply admit when I don't know something, instead of making something up.

Curt
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
I think it's a safe bet that Wheaties are a conspiracy.

Credit: Ksolem


Sugar plus corn syrup? And that BHT stuff gives me hives.

Sorry for the thread drift. I wonder how those old Nevada class ships would have fared in an open sea battle against the Japanese fleet? They would have been fully crewed too...
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:37pm PT
Corn syrup IS a government conspiracy.

As for the Nevada class battleships, the battleship was already obsolete in 1941. Billy Mitchell had already proven that, they just didn't realize it yet. What happened to Repulse and Prince of Wales should have made that point very obvious.
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Dec 6, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
Along with what happened to the DKM Battleship Bismark. Already obsolete bi-planes hit her with a torpedo and jammed her rudder, so she was a sitting duck for the whole British fleet to pounce on and sink in the Bay of Biscay.

Each new war is always initially being fought with the outmoded weapons and tactics of the previous war. That is, until someone comes along with a new tactic like Blitzkrieg and takes all the marbles. Submarines, air-power and aircraft carriers were already the way of the future while the Great Powers were still pouring all their treasure into big floating gun platforms called battleships.

Too bad we weren't paying better attention when those British Swordfish torpedo-bombers trashed the Italian fleet at Taranto. However, the Japanese were paying very, very close attention and planned their attack on Pearl Harbor accordingly. I still have some newspaper clipping in a scrapbook with pics of Arizona all lit up for Fleet Week in Seattle. Pearl Harbor must have been a real shocker.

By the way, my late aunt's first BF is still entombed down in the Arizona. The Pacific Fleet was the pride of the whole West Coast from Bremerton, WA to San Diego, CA, so the Japanese attack real hit civilian morale very hard.
jammer

climber
Dec 6, 2013 - 05:35pm PT
I think it's a safe bet that Wheaties are a conspiracy. Sugar plus corn syrup? And that BHT stuff gives me hives.

Sorry for the thread drift. I wonder how those old Nevada class ships would have fared in an open sea battle against the Japanese fleet? They would have been fully crewed too...

Sad to say this one is true, part of the processed foods you buy everyday, the profits of which find themselves eventually to military contractors selling fertilizer so farmers can keep overproducing corn and wasting away the top-soil. These profits are then invested politically to further disenfranchise us. That's just a fact. That is how populism has been effectively laid dormant in American politics. So funny as it is, there really is a "conspiracy", dun dun dun, or fact trail there. You can read about that in "The Omnivores Dilemma" by Michael Pollan.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 6, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Dec 6, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
I posted these photos before but whatever. Pulled my kid from school to show him these planes. There were old guys who had clearly flown in them in World War 2 who were having trouble moving around, touching stuff, etc. All quite heavy.


Credit: ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Credit: ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Credit: ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 6, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
Didn't the Japanese build some huge submarine floatplane aircraft carriers with the intent on bombing the Panama Canal?



EDIT
Took a while to load the link.
Yup. Its one of 'em.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 6, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
Toker, that was the I-400 I mentioned up thread. It carried three aircraft!
However, a little birdie is telling me they used a smaller one that only
carried one or two on that Panama Canal fiasco.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 6, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
My mother told me that she heard about Pearl Harbor just as she was watching me use my twin brother as a stepping stone to get out of my crib.......what were YOU doing?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 6, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
What were YOU doing when Garfield was shot?

(and how come yer email's no good)
Park Rat

Social climber
CA, UT,CT,FL
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
Pearl Harbor remembered 71th anniversary!


Credit: Park Rat



There are fewer WWII vets left each year to remember DEC 7th.

We should not ever forget those the men & women who fought in this war.

Credit: Park Rat

The moment people heard of the attack on Pearl Harbor they knew we were at war. The next day millions of Americans lined up at recruiting centers to volunteer to go to war.

So many people came forward that they were not able to process many of them into the various services for many months.

America was not prepared, even though the war in Europe had been going on for several years. Overnight we had to plan for new military bases and training.

The real problem was that we did not have the ships or airplanes that we would need to reach the enemy. Much of our military was using World War I equipment at the beginning of the war.

The real story of how quickly we reacted and turned from an isolationist, post depression country into a superpower virtually overnight is the great miracle of World War II.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Dec 7, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
Yup,

And as long as we continue to glorify war, young men will continue to line up at the recruiting stations when old, powerful men create the right circumstances.
Gregory Crouch

Social climber
Walnut Creek, California
Dec 8, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
In Hong Kong, it happened on December 8th. Here's a post about how war came to Hong Kong, and about how the Japanese attacked "my" airline, the China National Aviation Corporation, with their first wave air attack on the morning of December 8, 1941. It's one of my favorite episodes in my book, China's Wings.

Pearl Harbor Day in Hong Kong.
Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Dec 8, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
I was about 10 when we heard it on the radio. It scared us all, but the "Japs" were immediately classified in everyone's mind as subhuman and we'd beat them. Then I heard on the radio that Germany had declared war too and that scared the sh#t out of us.

We learned how to identify all the major axis planes from flash card silhouettes, and there were civilian spotters on the mountain tops in California. I can still identify quite a few.

I still get seriously introspective and a little sick every time a WWII documentary comes on. What we do to each other is unthinkable, and I wonder if we deserve to survive as a species.

But there was a humorous incident a couple of years after the war which still makes me laugh. I was walking down the street in Calistoga with my younger brother Bill, who was about 8 years old. A couple went by talking in German. Bill asked who they were, and I said they were Germans. He went pale, looked back, and asked me, "Are they tame yet?"

Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Dec 7, 2014 - 06:29pm PT
Boys became men.......
Gene

climber
Dec 7, 2014 - 06:51pm PT
Credit: Gene
And the boys who became men will always keep the memories of their shipmates alive.
zBrown

Ice climber
BrujÚ de la Playa
Dec 7, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
Day of Infamy - Indeed

Are there some others?



TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 23, 2014 - 04:51pm PT
One more, 16 days later.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19951207&slug=2156455
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Dec 23, 2014 - 05:21pm PT
wow interesting

There were some trapped in the USS OHLAHOMA as well

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