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k-man
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SCruz
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 2, 2011 - 11:10am PT
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I hate to start another political thread (honestly), but I believe this topic is important and severe. And with the elections coming in a year, you know that folks are well into the planning stages of how to rig the election.
Laugh, deny all you want. There is ample proof that serious crimes are being committed with regards to your votes. How can we be pro-active to ensure fair and balanced elections?
A Rolling Stone article:
The GOP War on Voting
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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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ACORN
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Wade Icey
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www.alohashirtrescue.com
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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"Kansas and Alabama now require would-be voters to provide proof of citizenship before registering"
What exactly is wrong with this. I guess you guys don't realize the amount of illegals that actually try to vote. I know there were other measures being taken as well that you are complaining about, but does this one really sound like a bad idea to you. What the hell is wrong with making sure people are eligible to vote by showing proof of citizenship.
"And six states controlled by Republican governors and legislatures – Alabama, Kansas, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin – will require voters to produce a government-issued ID before casting ballots. More than 10 percent of U.S. citizens lack such identification, and the numbers are even higher among constituencies that traditionally lean Democratic – including 18 percent of young voters and 25 percent of African-Americans."
So what if they are requiring gov. issued id in some states? Go get one, unless they are expensive, what is the problem? They didn't say you couldn't get one if you were a democrat or something. So the hell what if 10% of young voters and 25% blacks dont have one. If your to lazy to go get one, I guess you don't really want to vote?
These are the types of things that are supposedly keeping people from voting? With all the undocumented immigrants in this country that your party panders to so much I'm not suprised some would be asking for these measures.
Rolling Stone is the Fox news of the left.
Edit:
Awaiting dem/liberal response filled with name calling and avoiding question at hand.
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dirtbag
climber
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That purple one is gay.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2011 - 12:18pm PT
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Rolling Stone is the Fox news of the left.
Except that it's been shown over and over that Fox News lies and distorts.
Show where Rolling Stone is lying or telling untruths.
You can have your own opinion, but you can't have your own facts.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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"Kansas and Alabama now require would-be voters to provide proof of citizenship before registering"
Common sense to me. It HELPS ELIMINATE fraud. I'd imagine that a State-issued ID is equally acceptable.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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I could give sh#t what RS or Fox do. They are both f*#ked up.
Lets stay on topic.
What is wrong with asking for proof of citizenship, or having to provide a gov. issued id that anyone can attain by simply applying for one?
Thanks Dr F, I knew you wouldn't let me down.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2011 - 12:34pm PT
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The Left holds the position that needing to provide ID would disenfranchise many voters who are eligible to vote. I won't go into details, but that's the logic.
I've always been surprised when I vote: all they want me to do is to provide my name! Then I sign.
Vote early, vote often.
So I, for one, see nothing wrong with needing to provide ID. But then, how do you apply this to absentee ballots? Do you need to provide ID to register? You're talking about a massive new bureaucracy be established for voting. I'm sure the GOP would love to fund this.
And Dingus, I don't agree with your stance. Votes have been shown to count!
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Srbphoto
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Kennewick wa
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I love how some think that because a group has a D (or R) after their name that group is good and just and the other is bad and evil.
The only question is: are they Truthers or Believers?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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ACORN
The nemesis of the retards
THEY WERE Cleared of any charges,
Not true.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 2, 2011 - 12:43pm PT
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I maintain that electronic voting machines (and voting over the net) is the way to go.
But, there should be no company, like Diebold, making money off of the software in the voting system.
All voting software should be open source. A computer science grad student could write a voting program, it'd be a simple program. Why all the Diebold secrecy to their source code--it's OUR elections, dammit.
A voting program could read a simple XML input file that describes the election fields for each district. Then it then displays these fields and tallies the results.
Simple as pie.
Why all the "company secrets" defense used to hide the Diebold source code for the election machines??
Obvious manipulation.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dingus,
Provide your social security number. It will be verified with the Social Security Administration while you are in the office.
Verify your birth date and legal presence If your current name no longer matches the name on your birth data/legal presence document, see “True Full Name” and “How to Change Your Name” for more information.
from requierments to obtain a Cal driver's license.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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DMT,
Just the way it is believed by some that the GOP will do whatever they can to stop minorities from voting.
It is also believed by some conservatives that if there is no check and balance the dems would let whoever vote, as long as they could get another vote for their party,that is what matters.
Things like the Dream Act make no sense to me as an immigrant. To me that is a ploy to get more votes from the latinos.
How can it make sense to give free schooling to illegals when we can't afford to do it for the regular citizens of this country, no matter what color or ethnic background your from. Your lucky to live in a country where you are allowed to stay even though your parents are/were illegal. What other country can you do this in? Yet we still complain.
As far as I'm concerned making it easy for me just because I'm latino is an insult. I can do it on my own, just like every other ethnic background in this country. I don't have a crutch because some of my descendants dealt with institutionalized discrimination 30 or 40 years ago.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Bluering here is the fact - your California driver's license is insufficient proof of citizenship.
No it should be valid to register to vote. If you cannot produce one, THEN you should have to prove legal citizenship.
A CDL is an indicator that i've already proved I was born here.
Otherwise, like most Americans I'm guessing you cannot prove legally you were born here, not without some paperwork requests and weeks of delays.
I already did when I applied for my CDL. I had to bring a valid birth certificate.
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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There has never been any evidence of non-citizens voting in any sort of significant numbers. Sure, a couple of isolated incidents, but nothing in any real statistical sense.
OTOH, there is clear evidence of widespread voter disenfranchisement through laws like this that affect older voters and minorities disproportionately as well as through "pruning" of the voter roles.
All voting machine software should be open-source and a paper trail should be required. It's absolutely insane that we are using machines that are black boxes with no paper trail.
As for internet voting - that's a pipe dream. Really. So, so many problems with that.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Many born and raised Merkins have no valid proof of citizenship. The short form birth cert most people have is NOT VALID PROOF you are an American. At least not to the State Dept and Customs Man.
Wrongo.
Considering the recent Obama birth certificate affair illustrates this:
Obama had previously released a "short form" birth certificate, which is all that the State of Hawaii and federal government use for any purpose. Obama had to specially petition Hawaii to give him a copy of his "long form" certificate--ordinary there is no provision to even get a copy of that document. His short form certificate was all that was necessary (or really even possible to use, since the "long form" certificates are not publicly released) to use to prove citizenship to get passport and become president for that matter.
I have used my "short form" Maryland birth certificate to get a passport--I have never seen the "long form" certificate and don't know if it's possible for me to get that document, but it clearly isn't needed to get passport since I didn't need it!
It may be that some states use "long form" certificates and don't accept short forms (although one would then wonder what is the purpose of the short form)--I'd have to guess that was DMT's experience and he simply incorrectly generalized from it.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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On the surface, seems like a stupid f*#king law to me.
Recent study indicates your initial reaction in cases like this are usually the correct one.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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the whole id thing is moot-not mute- in my opinion. Does anyone really believe the voters are a relevant source of fraud?
oh wait... what have I done...
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