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Jim Clipper

climber
from: forests to tree farms
Sep 9, 2014 - 07:55pm PT
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for mr. braun. thanks for your work
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
Sep 10, 2014 - 04:58am PT
For me learning is the fun thing. When I'm convinced I know a thing it becomes more difficult to learn that I might be wrong or need to learn more about a subject. My own personal views on science, phylosophy, politics, etc. must always be a work in progress. When I stop learning I've stopped truly living and am only existing. On contemplating the discussion here regarding matter and energy I decided to do a quick google search and picked out these definitions for matter and energy from two different educational web sites for kids and students who are studying. The definitions correlate with what I have read in several books on physics and is basic scientific knowledge.


Matter vs. Energy:

*The universe is made up of matter and energy.

Matter:
1. Has mass
2. Takes up space
3. Is usually a “thing”

Energy:
1. It is not like matter
2. Does not have mass
3. Does not take up space
4. Energy moves matter!!!!!!

** Energy is the ability to make things move. Light, heat, sound, motion, and electricity are all forms of energy.

Properties of Matter: (characteristics)
Color, shape, size, hardness, texture, malleability, porosity, conductivity, odor,
Mass. *(things that help us identify matter).

(Source; www.iteachbio.com)


Fast Facts:

1. Everything in the Universe is made up of matter and energy.

2. Matter is anything that has mass and occupies space.

3. Matter describes the physical things around us: the earth, the air you breathe, your pencil.
Matter is made up of particles called atoms and molecules. Atoms are particles of
elements - substances that cannot be broken down further.

4. There are currently 109 known elements, but obviously there are more than 109 different
substances in the universe. This is because atoms of elements can combine with one another
to form compounds.

5. There are 4 fundamental states of matter: solid, liquid, gas and plasma.

6. Energy is the ability to cause change or do work.

7. Some forms of energy include light, heat, chemical, nuclear, electrical energy and
mechanical energy.

8. There are two main types of energy: potential and kinetic. Potential energy is energy
that is stored, while kinetic energy is energy in use.

9. In order for electrical energy to flow, it must follow a complete path through a circuit.

10. Dark matter refers to material that can't be detected by their emitted radiation but
whose presence can be inferred from gravitational effects on visible matter, like stars
and galaxies. Dark energy, or negative energy, is the energy found in space.

(Source; www.kidsconnect.com)


*REMEMBER*

"For in the end we will conserve only what we love. We will love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught." -B. Dioum
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 10, 2014 - 06:51am PT
10. Dark matter refers to material that can't be detected by their emitted radiation but
whose presence can be inferred from gravitational effects on visible matter, like stars
and galaxies. Dark energy, or negative energy, is the energy found in space.

Isn't dark matter scientific nomenclature for 'we don't know why are calculations are off, but they are grossly OFF. Must be dark matter?'

Dark matter might be better labeled MISSING MATTER?

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 10, 2014 - 06:58am PT
If you reduce the energy of a thing to zero, that thing ceases to exist? Absolute zero is absolute annihilation?

If you increase the energy in a thing you will change that thing? It will be a different thing, eventually, given enough energy?

Matter attracts matter - but science doesn't really know how it works? ie gravity. They know its effects but they do not know how it really works?

Matter is 'congealed' energy?

Energy is a thing? That thing will shock the sh#t out of you if you complete that electrical circuit, right? The wires don't shock you... the electricity does?

DMT
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
Sep 10, 2014 - 07:50am PT
Incidentally I will be spearheading a fund for 'The Preservation of the Natural Universe' and because of the colossal scale of this project donations on the scale of an unspeakable quantity will needed to bankroll this endeavor. Due to the unknowable nature and quantity of the dark matter there will be no limit to the budget and due to the unthinkable forces behind the dark energy any blank checks and all credit card information shall be accepted...

(Sarcasm).
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 10, 2014 - 07:58am PT
Just visit Home Depot. They got lots of credit card numbers for you.

DMT
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
Sep 10, 2014 - 08:02am PT
Scary...

Also Dingus,
Regarding my last post,
'twas intended as sarcasm with love; with ironoclasmistic intent.
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
Sep 10, 2014 - 08:05am PT
Or Ironosarcasmic
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 10, 2014 - 08:23am PT
Isn't dark matter scientific nomenclature for 'we don't know why are calculations are off, but they are grossly OFF. Must be dark matter?'

Dark matter might be better labeled MISSING MATTER?


not now... the characteristics of dark matter are distinct from dark energy, both of which account for the missing matter.

But the two have very different properties.

While we do not have a definitive explanation of either dark matter or dark energy, we have candidate explanations of both. Over the next 20 to 40 years, it will be the focus of research in high energy physics (by way of precision cosmology rather than particle accelerators) to study dark energy. Experiments are underway to identify the candidates for dark matter.

Cosmology, and particle physics, have drawn a box around what those things could be... the boundaries of the box are tightened until we have the explanation.

WBraun

climber
Sep 10, 2014 - 08:35am PT
They will spend billions on research, expensive machines and tax the average poor citizen of their hard earned meager incomes to try and understand dark matter.

All while it's right there in front of them all along.

When you study the "egg" and really "see" then you will come to the understanding.

It's very simple and that's why the gross materialists are so bewildered and make it so complicated.

This is the reason Largo's thread was originally started.

Knowledge ..... it's not outside of you ......
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 10, 2014 - 08:47am PT
They will spend billions on research, expensive machines and tax the average poor citizen of their hard earned meager incomes to try and understand dark matter.

Cool! That's a good thing. Perhaps we could cut billions from killing kids and old people on the other side of the globe, to offset this research.

I mean, we could take ONE DAY OFF from the war machine and pay for all astronomical study worldwide for 10 years or maybe 20.

Now wouldn't that be something, spending money on knowledge instead of death?

DMT
WBraun

climber
Sep 10, 2014 - 08:52am PT
spending money on knowledge instead of death?

Get rid of all those criminals running Washington DC you might have chance ....
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 10, 2014 - 08:55am PT
You could start that trend towards knowledge by reading a bit of Strassler, Dingus. Free of charge.

Just sayin...

We COULD get rid of 'those criminals' in Washington, but first...

1) 'We'd' have to decide who 'we' are. You and your pals? Me and mine? I think that's what elections are for.
2) 'We'd' have to decide who, exactly, 'those criminals' are. I think that's what courts are for.
3) then 'we'd' have to decide how to 'get rid' of them without destroying democracy. I think that's what constitutions are for.

cuz if you're talkin' about destruction, doncha know that you can count me out.

Democracy is hard. I heart our democracy though, even if it needs body work and a tune up. At least we ain't killin' each other...any more. They system can work to produce long lasting, positive change, but you gotta commit long term to make that happen rather than carping from the sidelines and wishing everybody would 'just wake up.' People are awake - we just don't agree on some things. Never did. Never will.

Critics? You can't swing a dead Ralph Nader pamphlet without hitting one.



Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:02am PT
Don't you know it's gonna be alright?

(the other JL)
WBraun

climber
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:16am PT
Don't you know it's gonna be alright?

Says the sheep in the field behind the slaughter house happily eating grass .....
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:21am PT
Go nutz, Werner. A Better Future America awaits your action. Make it happen, buddy.
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:22am PT
Werner,
That's all you can expect from this weekend warrior who's been out to pasture for years anyway...
munch munch
WBraun

climber
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:26am PT
Do not comment on my posts Tvash.

They are not for you.

They are not cogent and above or below your pay scale which ever way your duality mind steers you at any time.

Stick to the science as you know it.

Always remain safe in your knowledge .....
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:29am PT
Also, as we all know the man who wrote those words about revolution and counting him out and it's going to be alright was gunned down on the streets of New York back in 1980.
Ironic and tragic ending for one who espoused peace in all his writings, activism, and music. John Lennon's legacy will be true to stand the test of time.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:31am PT
E=MC(C)

Matter is a thing. Energy is a thing. EveryTHING in the universe is a thing.

Dingus, Strassler is an interesting scientist to me, not a hero. Hero's always fall.

If the above is your assertion and belief, I will have Strassler respond to it. Just making sure before asking him to clear this up for you.

JL


But I'm still waiting for the follow-through on this one.


Please, have Strassler respond.
In whatever manner he chooses. Thanks.


http://profmattstrassler.com/about/about-me/
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