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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Is Golden Ratio's 1.618 the Mathematical Key to Construction of Space-Time As Well As Biology in This Universe?
The time has come to recognize that relativity and quantum theories
can be integrated, and linked numerically, to the value of a mathematical constant Phi 1.618 whether in the context of space-time or biology.
 Jan Boeyens, Ph.D. and Francis Thackeray, Ph.D.
http://www.sajs.co.za/sites/default/files/publications/pdf/Boeyens_SciCo.pdf
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 22, 2015 - 10:03am PT
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Those interested in mind-brain relations (how mind is generated from the brain) might enjoy...
Still Alice (2014).
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3316960/?ref_=nv_sr_1
I just saw it and thought it was very good.
They say Julianne Moore should win Best Actress tonight for her performance as Alice.
She is my pick over Rosamund Pike.
"In this world, there is a kind of painful progress. Longing for what we've left behind, and dreaming ahead." -Tony Kushner
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"It's easy to spot a hallucination only when it's bizarre. For all we know, we hallucinate all the time." -Incognitio
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Feb 22, 2015 - 08:24pm PT
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Maybe this thread still has legs.
Maybe not.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Feb 22, 2015 - 09:37pm PT
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They say Julianne Moore should win Best Actress tonight for her performance as Alice.
i don't know. i like Patricia Arquette. As far as best actress for tonights performance.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 23, 2015 - 09:23am PT
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Freedom with a wrinkle principle...
As living things we have freedom, of course we do, but it comes with a wrinkle - it is entirely caused.
COMPARE
A) Freedom comes at a price.
B) Freedom comes with a wrinkle.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Feb 23, 2015 - 08:44pm PT
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Is the mind of a humanist substantially different from that of a scientist?
Does mind = consciousness? Does mind = consciousness + reasoning? Does pure mind = consciousness - reasoning?
Does it make sense to talk of the mind of an unconscious person? Does mind function if and only if brain functions?
Inquiring minds want to know . . .
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Feb 24, 2015 - 08:22am PT
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In the marketplace of ideas, inquiring minds are the customers for the sellers of ideas.
"... our minds are organs, not pipelines to the truth. Our minds evolved by natural selection to solve problems that were life-and-death matters to our ancestors, not to commune with correctness or to answer any question we are capable of asking."
"People have thought about these problems for millennia but have made no progress in solving them."
How the Mind Works
Stephen Pinker
Some traits of an organism are merely by products or side-effects of what exists by dint of its adaptiveness.
http://www.2think.org/htmw_review.shtml
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Feb 24, 2015 - 09:14am PT
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The mind is more than consciousness it seems to me. For example, when we dream, we dream according to our own waking experiences. Each person has their own individualized rewards and nightmares according to what has already been imprinted + the unique combinations each individual mind makes up.
Consciousness, particularly self consciousness, is the result of a certain stage of development (babies are thought to acquire an idea of themselves as separate from the mother over a period of time and before they begin speaking), but in general, language or some other symbol system is associated with consciousness. Consciousness implies a relationship with others.Consciousness may or may not involve logic and reason.
"Pure Mind" is the absence of reasoning or any line of thought involving language. The path to "pure mind" or "no mind" often begins with a non rational discursive exercise like counting 1,2-1,2 or saying a mantra which eventually fades away.
The mind is a whole spectrum of awareness from coma to dreamless sleep, dreams, minds under anesthesia who can't remember anything afterwards to those undergoing anesthesia who can remember the surgical team's conversations afterwards, to babies screaming for food, to recognizing their relatives, to babbling, talking, learning to read, studying math and philosophy, learning to meditate and then arguing about all of the above before starting their own children on the process.
Edit:
I just realized that if we say consciousness is the ability to use a symbol system, then dreams which use non verbal symbol systems have to be thought of as a type of consciousness. And pre linguistic babies dream. Such is the world of mind definitions!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 24, 2015 - 11:17am PT
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mh2, that would be Steven...
...but the heck with correctness. ;)
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Feb 24, 2015 - 12:28pm PT
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I'm going to my annual 8 day zen retreat starting on friday 6am to 945 Pm 11 plus hours of meditation a day. As usual have to work like a dog before hand to escape the work place. I gave a TR about last years retreat in the old S vs R thread that disappeared ; maybe I will make another TR after this one.
What is "I" that attaches to comfort and discomfort?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 24, 2015 - 12:32pm PT
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"I'm going to my annual 8 day zen retreat starting on friday..." -PSP
Cool.
What is your #1 goal, if you don't mind telling us.
Or is it goalless?
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It is really a shame that thread was deleted, all content included.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Feb 24, 2015 - 12:33pm PT
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I will look forward to a Zen retreat trip report. I'm sure others will be interested as well.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Feb 24, 2015 - 01:49pm PT
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What is your #1 goal, if you don't mind telling us.
Or is it goalless?
It is really about observing what ever comes up and noticing where "I" gets stuck or attached to things. "I " has a tendency to get stuck on liking comfort and not liking discomfort. first you have to notice there is a struggle or a clinging going on and then the next step is to observe the struggle with an open mind. Observe the discomfort or the bliss with an open mind with a big question; what is this? Underlying all of this is the question of , What is "I"?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 24, 2015 - 02:29pm PT
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PSP,
thanks for the reply.
You sound like a seeker.
Have a good time!
I too look forward to the TR.
:)
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 24, 2015 - 06:06pm PT
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The modern scientists still have no clue how the speed of the mind is so inconceivable fast compared to the speed of light.
The speed of the mind makes the speed of light look like a snail not even moving.
The speed of light is that which modern material science has devolved into.
And what to speak of yoga siddhi which they haven't a clue either and is instantaneous speed which is used to travel anywhere.
Modern material stupid caveman rockets is the dumbest method ever, yet they all claim advancements.
The modern fools have devolved into crude gross physical cavemen with their silly rockets .....
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Feb 24, 2015 - 09:07pm PT
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The speed of the mind makes the speed of light look like a snail not even moving
My head is spinning from an overabundance of profundity. It's almost too much to process. Please, have mercy . . .
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Feb 24, 2015 - 10:04pm PT
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The speed of the mind makes the speed of light look like a snail not even moving.
I have observed this too. Read about it first, then observed it.
I'd love to know what you're reading.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 24, 2015 - 11:37pm PT
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I'm now beginning to suspect what we've been reading from Werner all along is the result of a pretty serious granite overdose (and one can only wonder at the radon exposure). There probably needs to be an LD50 and exposure limits workup done on the place as, on re-reading some other posts around here, there might be more than a few cases of such undiagnosed exposure here on ST.
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