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High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 8, 2014 - 10:49am PT
The next step for him would be to develop a new vocabulary...

Don't hold your breath, jump to 14:00...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Q6CWv7IXo


Needless to say, SH is wrong on this count. :)

In a 21st century world that has a million more ideas than say even the 18th or 19th century worlds it makes sense, it's only reasonable, to have new vocabularies and to expect going forward the developments of these.


Of course an irony here (and I've mentioned this before) - Who is a leading critic of the "poverty of language" in English? ANS SH. LOL!

I should add, in SH's defense, perhaps he's only encountered awful neologisms in his experience. Not hard to imagine as there have been plenty of those to come our way the last hundred years or so.

One of my favorites... awful favorites, that is: eupraxsophy. LOL.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Sep 8, 2014 - 11:03am PT
Yes, the irony did hit me already. Another case of deja vue.
WBraun

climber
Sep 8, 2014 - 11:09am PT
A new vocabulary will have no effect other than reinforce the ultimate illusion.

Mantras, or sacred sounds, are used to pierce through sensual, mental and intellectual levels of existence
(all lower strata of consciousness) for the purpose of purification and spiritual enlightenment.

"By sound vibration one becomes liberated" (Vedanta-sutra 4.22).
MikeL

Social climber
Seattle, WA
Sep 8, 2014 - 11:12am PT
Werner: +1
MikeL

Social climber
Seattle, WA
Sep 8, 2014 - 11:24am PT
Everything seems to be some form or another of energy, and there seems to be an infinite abundance of it around, everywhere, wherever one looks. In tantra, the practice is to disconnect the interpretations (content) from the energy that drives them. So, it makes me wonder why energy gloms onto content so ferociously to begin with? Why are beliefs, story lines, interpretations so strong in us?

A concept is just a thought, an idea, an abstraction. Concepts / beliefs / ideas seem to drive us from the great energy behind them, but why did the energy get behind or attach to them in the first place? What links them; what links energy and our conceptualizations?

EDIT: I should add, that disconnecting interpretations from energy means that one *can* then surf the energy as one can surf the waves in the ocean. They just keep coming.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Sep 8, 2014 - 11:28am PT
Forgive me if I find Harris neither profound nor original. My peeps have been espousing the same ideas all our adult lives.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Sep 8, 2014 - 11:46am PT
neuroscience phds by kicstarter now...

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324375300/vest-a-sensory-substitution-neuroscience-project
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 8, 2014 - 11:51am PT
Everything seems to be some form or another of energy,

You won't get the mystics to ever agree with this statement. Many of them seem completely unable to even comprehend that sentence you just wrote. EveryTHING is made of energy. Every energy is made of THINGS. Energy = thing.

and there seems to be an infinite abundance of it around,

Actually, there doesn't seem to be an infinite abundance.

everywhere, wherever one looks In tantra, the practice is to disconnect the interpretations (content) from the energy that drives them.

Content is energy. Energy is matter. Content is matter. You will not be divorcing yourself from matter and energy, at least not this side of the veil darkly.

So, it makes me wonder why energy gloms onto content so ferociously to begin with?

Enter the woo masters through the self-created crack in reality.

Demonstrate that this 'content' is outside the realm of matter/energy, then we'll entertain its mystic properties? Let's not define mystic properties and them try to glom them onto reality, ok?

Why are beliefs, story lines, interpretations so strong in us?

Its how we communicate. They are the fabric of our language.

"Whatchoo been up to bro?"

"Well, let me tell you! Remember the time you and I went.... ? WELL! That was NOTHING compared to my yesterday...."

No woo required.

DMT
MH2

climber
Sep 8, 2014 - 12:00pm PT
Another deja vu: be careful what you wish for. I like being around right now pretty well.

WBraun

climber
Sep 8, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
That we can see ..... :-)
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 8, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
The opinions on this thread are really diverse. We are lucky to have Largo and Mike, just as I am grateful for Ed H.

We've learned all of this stuff about nature. It is incredibly complex and beautiful. Yes, scientists can see beauty in answers which nature provides. They are not drones.

We have three camps:

1) Religious dogma: BB, Go-B and Werner.

2) Internal Mental voyagers: Mike, Largo, and PSP.

3) Physical scientists: Ed is the kahuna. Guys like me aren't as knowledgeable as Ed.

When you religious guys see some fantastic view of the Universe, how immense and wild it is, do you frantically try to dismiss it as wrong?

The Zen voyagers are kinda like scientists IMO. It doesn't seem that they believe in woo woo type spiritualism. Therefore I cede a huge chunk of this conversation to them, and I am grateful.

Meaning is an interesting word. Our newly found discoveries about the universe. Does it MEAN anything? I leave that up to Mike and Largo and PSP.

I'm not certain about any meaning, particularly in a spiritual sense in all of this new knowledge. Nature is what it is, and there is beauty in it.

I suppose that I am a back sliding pantheist. I am awed by nature, but I don't worship it.

Seriously. What does this picture mean to you people? Honestly? Don't you feel that it is beautiful? It is difficult to dismiss. If I were a serious Christian, I would say that if God created the Universe, he certainly did a good job of it.

We know that we are one planet orbiting one star. There are trillions of stars in galaxies, and there are billions of galaxies. There are so many other suns out there that it kind of makes us seem small. That is something that is difficult to convey to Christians.

Just admit that Genesis is an allegory. You can still say that God created all of this if you like. It makes God seem bigger to me. The Genesis account left out almost all of the relevant information or just got it out of order. The basics are sort of there.

Closing your eyes and clinging to a 2000 year old text written by men some time after Christ's death causes huge problems. Mainly that as science marches on, the Abrahamic religions become more disconnected. I find this a little sad, that they refuse to participate in human knowledge.

Credit: BASE104
WBraun

climber
Sep 8, 2014 - 12:49pm PT
I'm frantically dismissing the above for what it is.

A pixelated zero and ones that say in words a photo and that is all .....
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 8, 2014 - 12:59pm PT
Well its a pretty cool word and a nice picture of god as well.

DMT
WBraun

climber
Sep 8, 2014 - 01:01pm PT
Lol DMT

You're playing the field too ...... :-)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 8, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
:)

It really does look like neurons dunnit?

DMT
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 8, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_network_theory_topics

It really does look like neurons dun nit?

you have an actual image of the neuron interconnections? or just a concept of what it might look like?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 8, 2014 - 01:54pm PT
you have an actual image of the neuron interconnections?

No. Nor do I have an actual image of the universe, either.

or just a concept of what it might look like?

I was just thinking of all the neuron images I have seen depicted, is all. I'm not trying to make some sweeping 'I know it all by knowing nothing' statement, either.

That universe image reminded me of ones like this


And I marvel at the scalability of patterns, is all.


Carry on.

DMT

ps, my pattern recognition software still tells me the galaxy patterns still looks like neuron patterns.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 8, 2014 - 02:16pm PT

Closing your eyes and clinging to a 2000 year old text written by men some time after Christ's death causes huge problems. Mainly that as science marches on, the Abrahamic religions become more disconnected. I find this a little sad, that they refuse to participate in human knowledge.

Don't be bummed dude! Instead why not tell us how science has made you a better person.

There's NOTHING that is wrong that is written in Genesis. It's only the interpretation inwhich you have clung to that is wrong!

I look at that pic and say ThankYou Lord, knowing that all knowledge in the universe will be revealed by His promise.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 8, 2014 - 02:20pm PT
Quite the imagination you got there Dingus!

Sorta seems mystical

I guess ur software is your truth
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 8, 2014 - 02:21pm PT
I must be a mote gods eye blueblokr!

DMT
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