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Jim Clipper
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for mr. braun. thanks for your work
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
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Sep 10, 2014 - 04:58am PT
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For me learning is the fun thing. When I'm convinced I know a thing it becomes more difficult to learn that I might be wrong or need to learn more about a subject. My own personal views on science, phylosophy, politics, etc. must always be a work in progress. When I stop learning I've stopped truly living and am only existing. On contemplating the discussion here regarding matter and energy I decided to do a quick google search and picked out these definitions for matter and energy from two different educational web sites for kids and students who are studying. The definitions correlate with what I have read in several books on physics and is basic scientific knowledge.
Matter vs. Energy:
*The universe is made up of matter and energy.
Matter:
1. Has mass
2. Takes up space
3. Is usually a “thing”
Energy:
1. It is not like matter
2. Does not have mass
3. Does not take up space
4. Energy moves matter!!!!!!
** Energy is the ability to make things move. Light, heat, sound, motion, and electricity are all forms of energy.
Properties of Matter: (characteristics)
Color, shape, size, hardness, texture, malleability, porosity, conductivity, odor,
Mass. *(things that help us identify matter).
(Source; www.iteachbio.com)
Fast Facts:
1. Everything in the Universe is made up of matter and energy.
2. Matter is anything that has mass and occupies space.
3. Matter describes the physical things around us: the earth, the air you breathe, your pencil.
Matter is made up of particles called atoms and molecules. Atoms are particles of
elements - substances that cannot be broken down further.
4. There are currently 109 known elements, but obviously there are more than 109 different
substances in the universe. This is because atoms of elements can combine with one another
to form compounds.
5. There are 4 fundamental states of matter: solid, liquid, gas and plasma.
6. Energy is the ability to cause change or do work.
7. Some forms of energy include light, heat, chemical, nuclear, electrical energy and
mechanical energy.
8. There are two main types of energy: potential and kinetic. Potential energy is energy
that is stored, while kinetic energy is energy in use.
9. In order for electrical energy to flow, it must follow a complete path through a circuit.
10. Dark matter refers to material that can't be detected by their emitted radiation but
whose presence can be inferred from gravitational effects on visible matter, like stars
and galaxies. Dark energy, or negative energy, is the energy found in space.
(Source; www.kidsconnect.com)
*REMEMBER*
"For in the end we will conserve only what we love. We will love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught." -B. Dioum
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
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Sep 10, 2014 - 07:50am PT
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Incidentally I will be spearheading a fund for 'The Preservation of the Natural Universe' and because of the colossal scale of this project donations on the scale of an unspeakable quantity will needed to bankroll this endeavor. Due to the unknowable nature and quantity of the dark matter there will be no limit to the budget and due to the unthinkable forces behind the dark energy any blank checks and all credit card information shall be accepted...
(Sarcasm).
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
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Sep 10, 2014 - 08:02am PT
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Scary...
Also Dingus,
Regarding my last post,
'twas intended as sarcasm with love; with ironoclasmistic intent.
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
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Sep 10, 2014 - 08:05am PT
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Or Ironosarcasmic
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 10, 2014 - 08:23am PT
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Isn't dark matter scientific nomenclature for 'we don't know why are calculations are off, but they are grossly OFF. Must be dark matter?'
Dark matter might be better labeled MISSING MATTER?
not now... the characteristics of dark matter are distinct from dark energy, both of which account for the missing matter.
But the two have very different properties.
While we do not have a definitive explanation of either dark matter or dark energy, we have candidate explanations of both. Over the next 20 to 40 years, it will be the focus of research in high energy physics (by way of precision cosmology rather than particle accelerators) to study dark energy. Experiments are underway to identify the candidates for dark matter.
Cosmology, and particle physics, have drawn a box around what those things could be... the boundaries of the box are tightened until we have the explanation.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 10, 2014 - 08:35am PT
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They will spend billions on research, expensive machines and tax the average poor citizen of their hard earned meager incomes to try and understand dark matter.
All while it's right there in front of them all along.
When you study the "egg" and really "see" then you will come to the understanding.
It's very simple and that's why the gross materialists are so bewildered and make it so complicated.
This is the reason Largo's thread was originally started.
Knowledge ..... it's not outside of you ......
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 10, 2014 - 08:52am PT
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spending money on knowledge instead of death?
Get rid of all those criminals running Washington DC you might have chance ....
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Sep 10, 2014 - 08:55am PT
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You could start that trend towards knowledge by reading a bit of Strassler, Dingus. Free of charge.
Just sayin...
We COULD get rid of 'those criminals' in Washington, but first...
1) 'We'd' have to decide who 'we' are. You and your pals? Me and mine? I think that's what elections are for.
2) 'We'd' have to decide who, exactly, 'those criminals' are. I think that's what courts are for.
3) then 'we'd' have to decide how to 'get rid' of them without destroying democracy. I think that's what constitutions are for.
cuz if you're talkin' about destruction, doncha know that you can count me out.
Democracy is hard. I heart our democracy though, even if it needs body work and a tune up. At least we ain't killin' each other...any more. They system can work to produce long lasting, positive change, but you gotta commit long term to make that happen rather than carping from the sidelines and wishing everybody would 'just wake up.' People are awake - we just don't agree on some things. Never did. Never will.
Critics? You can't swing a dead Ralph Nader pamphlet without hitting one.
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
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Sep 10, 2014 - 09:02am PT
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Don't you know it's gonna be alright?
(the other JL)
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 10, 2014 - 09:16am PT
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Don't you know it's gonna be alright?
Says the sheep in the field behind the slaughter house happily eating grass .....
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Sep 10, 2014 - 09:21am PT
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Go nutz, Werner. A Better Future America awaits your action. Make it happen, buddy.
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
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Sep 10, 2014 - 09:22am PT
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Werner,
That's all you can expect from this weekend warrior who's been out to pasture for years anyway...
munch munch
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 10, 2014 - 09:26am PT
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Do not comment on my posts Tvash.
They are not for you.
They are not cogent and above or below your pay scale which ever way your duality mind steers you at any time.
Stick to the science as you know it.
Always remain safe in your knowledge .....
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
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Sep 10, 2014 - 09:29am PT
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Also, as we all know the man who wrote those words about revolution and counting him out and it's going to be alright was gunned down on the streets of New York back in 1980.
Ironic and tragic ending for one who espoused peace in all his writings, activism, and music. John Lennon's legacy will be true to stand the test of time.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Sep 10, 2014 - 09:31am PT
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E=MC(C)
Matter is a thing. Energy is a thing. EveryTHING in the universe is a thing.
Dingus, Strassler is an interesting scientist to me, not a hero. Hero's always fall.
If the above is your assertion and belief, I will have Strassler respond to it. Just making sure before asking him to clear this up for you.
JL
But I'm still waiting for the follow-through on this one.
Please, have Strassler respond.
In whatever manner he chooses. Thanks.
http://profmattstrassler.com/about/about-me/
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 10, 2014 - 09:34am PT
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So was Gandhi.
He preached ahimsa (nonviolence) and was killed by violence.
My teacher warned him he was only preaching one side.
Himsa (violence) is required to make complete whole.
The doctor creates violence against the body to heal it ......
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Sep 10, 2014 - 09:51am PT
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Not that anybody asked... but I would've suggested "dark fudge gravity" and "dark fudge pull" (in lieu of "dark matter" and "dark energy") - as placeholders - and even "dark fudge interface" (inspired by "dark fudge gravity") as placeholder for that mysterious unknown boundary condition or mechanism between brain and consciousness.
Will consciousness and/or the dark fudge interface forever remain "conceptually" irreducible? I don't know.
But the mental life (the subjective mind) sure seems to run, to operate, even to act up (when it does) as if it IS the straight-up (I won't say "simple") processing of a complex organic electronic machine charged by evolution by natural selection with the control of a body whose "purpose" (EdH, lol!) is survival and reproduction in a particular niche in a complex dynamic environment.
And the more one understands systems, computers, biology, info science, electronic circuitry, etc etc etc ... not to mention the (apish) humanities and the (apish) human factor in the mix... the more this seems true.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2014 - 10:02am PT
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E=MC(C)
Matter is a thing. Energy is a thing. EveryTHING in the universe is a thing.
Dingus, Strassler is an interesting scientist to me, not a hero. Hero's always fall.
If the above is your assertion and belief, I will have Strassler respond to it. Just making sure before asking him to clear this up for you.
JL
But I'm still waiting for the follow-through on this one.
Please, have Strassler respond.
In whatever manner he chooses. Thanks.
I'm just bombed with work right now but I'll try and find time to talk to Strassler soon as I get back from Boulder tomorrow for the Sender Films/Valley Uprising release.
The point of all of this is that from the perspective of our discursive minds, all the stuff "out there" is a thing, and the same goes for any and all aspects of people, places, things and phenomenon. When we use our minds in a way where the discursive leaves off, then we see that this is not so, that perspective plays a determining factor. This is what Strassler was driving at when saying that terms like "matter" and energy and stuff need to a context to even be understood, hat there is no agreed upon definition to what matter even is.
Many people are made more secure by the idea that reality is a fixed "thing" full of things just as black and white as Dingus insists that they are. The Harvard physiscist has another take on this. And so do many others who have made a study of mind adventures that are not based on imagining "things."
JL
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