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Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Mar 24, 2018 - 04:10pm PT
The sign in the photo at the the top of this page is meant to embolden young people by blowing smoke up their asses. These kids are being used for political purposes by manipulators who have long demonstrated their proclivity to inculcate these youngsters with tendentious propaganda over and above critical, independent thinking skills.

The Millennial generation (especially the younger cohort- those now teens) due largely to low dopamine production caused by modern technology, is demonstrably the generation of Americans most susceptible to exploitation and manipulation. This is a tragedy unfolding right before our blue-screen illuminated eyes.

Whether the manipulators or the manipulated -- both are robust examples of the Dunning-Kruger effect ,as is so much of mass society at this current historical moment.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

"The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool" (As You Like It, V. i.)[19]

MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Mar 24, 2018 - 07:41pm PT

But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;


◄ 1 Corinthians 1:27 ►
zBrown

Ice climber
Mar 24, 2018 - 08:25pm PT
Well neither God nor Abraham nor Shakespeare studied Paleo_geometry, or did they?

RestorationLab is a research plugin which aims at removing deformations undergone by rocks to get the paleo-geometry of a geological model. It is a great tool able to perform 3D restoration on both implicit and explicit geological models.

Concretely it unfolds and removes the displacement due to the faults. It solves mechanics-based problem using finite element element and Dirichlet/Neumann boundary conditions. This plugin can also decompact a model after removal of a layer using classical porosity laws.


Rock on!


jogill

climber
Colorado
Mar 24, 2018 - 08:28pm PT
The sign in the photo at the the top of this page . . .


What is Mind's inexorable slide into politard territory.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 25, 2018 - 10:10am PT
"The work we have presented here has helped to account for empirical findings in human spatial reorientation in children and adults—often considered puzzling—under the principle of adaptive cue combination, a proposal that has not previously been computationally specified or tested with respect to these phenomena. The model is grounded in the extensive literature on perceptual cue integration and memory for spatial location, thus suggesting that human spatial reorientation may be an instantiation of optimal behavior under uncertainty."

An adaptive cue combination model of human spatial reorientation

Yang Xu, Terry Regier, Nora S. Newcombe

Cognition 163 (2017) 56–66
http://lclab.berkeley.edu/papers/xu-et-al-reorientation-2017.pdf




The hippocampus is not a geometric module: processing environment geometry during reorientation

Jennifer E. Sutton and Nora S. Newcombe

Front Hum Neurosci. 2014; 8: 596
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4122240/

"Consider a problem often faced by travelers to new cities: despite a carefully planned trip using a city map, a traveler emerges from a subway station with no clear sense of which direction to walk to visit a famous building. The internal sense of direction crucial for forming an egocentric reference frame, or knowledge of locations in the environment relative to one’s own position, has been disrupted by the underground subway ride. Instead, the traveler is left to rely exclusively on her allocentric knowledge of the city layout, or map-like knowledge of the positions of landmarks relative to each other. If they are available and if the traveler is knowledgeable, directional cues such as the sun’s position in the sky might offer clues also. The process that is necessary at this point is called reorientation, or the process of using allocentric knowledge to recalibrate egocentric knowledge."
jogill

climber
Colorado
Mar 26, 2018 - 09:32pm PT
The New Yorker: The Mind Issue

MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Mar 26, 2018 - 10:10pm PT
Ed: I could presume that you are questioning my intellectual honesty.

Oh, bloody hell. You poor thing.

(For academics, this is like pulling out the Race Card: “Hey, . . . he dissed me!!”
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 27, 2018 - 12:03am PT
good thing I'm not an academic!

just a simple physicist working at a national lab (for the moment).

I really do wonder what you meant, I was relaying an experience, you questioned whether I could have had that experience.

That sounded odd to me.

And while I might not write literature, I am not too bad at writing "descriptive" text, so I thought I was clear (and I'm also quite literal, so no chance of confusing metaphors, similes or parables).

Dingus Milktoast

Trad climber
Minister of Moderation, Fatcrackistan
Mar 27, 2018 - 06:56am PT
Ward you have this view of younger generations, fueled by your pet theories on light, that frankly does not align with reality all that much.

But whatever.

DMT
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 27, 2018 - 09:17am PT
I don't agree. I think your writing needs work. Begin by eliminating all the ellipses in your posts. Be more concise and don't rely on forms of to be in verb choices.

thanks, the verb thing I've worked on, easier to fall into simple equivalences. The art there making sentences sound the way I want them to. As for ellipses, an affectation for the writing more abbreviated posts, "I would have written a shorter letter if I had the time." Sometimes, most times, I don't. But over reliance on any particular form can become annoying, and ineffective.

In my experience, good editors are essential for good writing. For me writing represents a collaborative effort.

Thanks for taking the time to respond, constructively, to my assertion that falsely characterizes my writing ability.

Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Mar 27, 2018 - 11:04am PT
The hippocampus is not a geometric module: processing environment geometry during reorientation

Coincidentally I've just read this paper on the effects of microwaves on the hippocampus of rats and then I saw Ed's post mentioning the hippo above; creating a more or less tangential context:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031938417302706


Ward you have this view of younger generations, fueled by your pet theories on light, that frankly does not align with reality all that much.


I am interpreting this comment as an aim to draw me further out on this subject, which I might just do when I have lots more time. ( I'm headed overland to the plastic climbing place)

"...your pet theories on light"

Lol , I like that. I wish they were just merely my pet theories, and of no consequence to reality.
jogill

climber
Colorado
Mar 27, 2018 - 04:27pm PT
Well, Ed, I think your writing is fine. But what do I know? Many years ago I submitted a paper for publication, and received a fairly prompt reviewer's report which recommended publishing the article, but with a simple caveat, that I rewrite a certain paragraph for clarity. The reviewer said, "The poor quality of this paragraph is understandable since English is a second language of the author."

I framed the letter and had in on the wall of my office for quite a few years.


;>)
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Mar 27, 2018 - 05:33pm PT
Math being your first language!
MikeL

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Mar 28, 2018 - 09:03pm PT
Ha-ha. Ed writes just fine. One doesn't go a dive bar and preach English. Each community has its language. Perhaps one could say that maturity or wisdom comes from recognizing differences--that are at best surface features.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 28, 2018 - 09:24pm PT
Grammarly - Sycorax Edition: a more tolerable you is just clicks away...
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 28, 2018 - 10:32pm PT
I feel I could always write better, and when someone comes along with constructive comments I try to learn from them.

ground chuck

Ice climber
Olympia
Mar 28, 2018 - 10:52pm PT
This is your mind>

Credit: ground chuck
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 29, 2018 - 06:18am PT
Hell, we have one of those at Reed College in our cozy residential neighborhood exactly 1.4 miles away from my house. It's manned and operated by some of the smartest, most entitled and elite undergraduate stoners around.



There's no place like home...
There's no place like home...
Credit: healyje

They even give tours!

Credit: healyje
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
Mar 29, 2018 - 08:38am PT
Back to the brain - mind.

There's a fascinating article in the New Yorker about the case of Jahi McMath of Oakland who was declared dead after a tonsillectomy yet is still kept alive on a ventilator. Parts of her brain including the areas associated with consciousness are apparently still functioning while others, controlling her body are not.

Aside from multiple levels of ethical considerations about how we spend health resources, and the problems provoked by our respirator technology, it poses many questions about the definition of brain death as it is currently defined, the relationship of the physical brain to consciousness and the very definition of consciousness itself.

It makes one think that perhaps the definitions of death involving spiritual traditions of breath and heartbeat, are wiser than the brain death definitions that science has come up with.


https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/02/05/what-does-it-mean-to-die?mbid=social_facebook_aud_dev_kw_paid-what-does-it-mean-to-die&kwp_0=712161&kwp_4=2522359&kwp_1=1068711
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 29, 2018 - 09:01am PT
Humans seem to make a strong equivalence between "life" and "consciousness." Balance the observation of a brain with the "area of consciousness" functioning in an otherwise "dead" body with those of bodies quite alive, but without a functioning brain, explored through discussions in this thread regarding dementia.

A common refrain on this thread would seem to posit the observation of a functioning "area of consciousness" in the brain irrelevant to consciousness.

The fear of being conscious in an otherwise dead body harks back to the end of the 19th century, Edgar Allan Poe giving voice to the then common fear of being buried alive. Jan could tell us how this fear may have more ancient roots.
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