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LongAgo

Trad climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 27, 2011 - 05:16pm PT
A few threads have featured digitized pics of summit registers and sparked good discussion. The question arises as to where physical registers reside (when taken off a peak) and if enough reside in the public domain (e.g. public or outdoor or climbing association library) or in the hands of a cooperative private party as to make feasible en mass digitizing and access to such records on the web for appreciation and discussion. One can imagine a searchable database by peak or even climbers. One thought is the AAC supported by a donation fund could lead the project, maintain a copy in their own library and make the digitized versions available on line. However, there are issues of money and copyright, for starters

Some discussion of the issues has taken place on another thread but deserves to stand alone and continue on a separate thread, so here we go. Thread where discussion started:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=527185&msg=1592526#msg1592526

And relevant posts so far:

Guido:
Register- The largest collection of Registers of Cal climbs and peaks is part of the Mountain Record Section at the Bancroft Library at UC Berkeley. Last summer Kali and I spent an afternoon going through some choice boxes. Almost got kicked out because we were oohing and ahing too loud and the serious head librarian was not impressed. Serious place with high security and slow response but on the whole very accommodating people. I had the library copy via stat the Coonyard Register plus Rixons's Pinnacle, Phantom Pinnacle, El Cap, Glacier Point Apron, Fairview Dome, Lost Arrow Tip and the Royal Arches. It took months to get this completed and they provided the stats on microfilm. Fortunately UC Santa Cruz has a brand new scanner that will scan direct from the microfilm to disk for free! I The copying at the Bancroft was not cheap, something like $275 ............

I had to spend 3-4 hours on the Coonyard Register with Photoshop to make it presentable and readable. Somebody like maestro Haan could turn it into an art piece.

I am convinced the way to handle this reproduction would be to film a Register. You can set it up so you can do the photo work yourself at the Library. Film would maintain the mood of the paper and give a more realistic presentation of the actual writing. Filming would also be less damaging to the handling of the Registers. Some of these are very very delicate and they had to go to the Restoration Dept before they would copy them. Copying is more traumatic than filming.

Wouldn't it be fantastic to have all of the Bancroft Register Collection on film? This would be a massive job but certainly doable. Then everyone would have access to these historical gems. Ken could have all the data on DVD for the future Yosemite Collection and they could even be made available online.

The AAC also has a significant collection of Registers.

Perhaps we should put together a project to raise enough dinero to have this accomplished? Maybe Ed or someone else in the area would be interested. Some of these Registers go back to the turn of the century! Not a small project but an immensely worthy one.

I'm in.

As a side note Bonnie Kamps offered to assist in this endeavor but since I am in NZ most of the year it would be impossible for me to contribute much time.

LongAgo (Tom Higgins):
Guido,

Having gone to CAL, I knew about the B. Library and remember reading the Breen Donner Party diary there (under glass) years ago. Had no idea they had registers. So let me get this straight. You say, "I had the library copy via stat the Coonyard Register plus Rixons's Pinnacle, Phantom Pinnacle..." So they go to microfilm for a fee, then you can go to digital from microfilm, in your case for free from UC Santa Cruz. Guess any commercial outfit could do transfer too, e.g. Kinkos. Several issues:

Sounds like B. Library is OK with copying project and may do the whole batch upon request and with proper fee, but don't they need to know it is a public interest project, not commercial enterprise or do they care?

Seems a perfect project for AAC so the digital registers could wind up in their library and on line. While I'm a member, I have no particular connections or clout (well, someone might answer my e-mail remembering me from way back when). In any case, someone there should be approached, and if they agree, next step would be setting up a donation fund to help out, I would think. I'd sure donate. AAC seem right for the lead? Know anyone there to approach?

Guido:
Tom


"So they go to microfilm for a fee, then you can go to digital from microfilm, in your case for free from UC Santa Cruz. Guess any commercial outfit could do transfer too, e.g. Kinkos. Several issues:"

Yes except the proper way to maintain realistic visual would be to film them and that is ok with the BL under their guidelines which are not too strict in that manner. In other words, an individual from outside the library can come in and set up to photograph the Registers. Would be prohibitively expensive to have the BL perform this task. Photostatting robs them of the archival mood of the time.


"Sounds like B. Library is OK with copying project and may do the whole batch upon request and with proper fee, but don't they need to know it is a public interest project, not commercial enterprise or do they care?"

Correct as the BL has strict guidelines on their use and is quite territorial over the Registers, not rightly so I believe. Most of the Registers came from the Sierra Club and few from continuing donations. There they sit in boxes in the basement.

"Seems a perfect project for AAC so the digital registers could wind up in their library and be available online. While I'm a member, I have no particular connections or clout (well, someone might answer my e-mail remembering me from way back when). In any case, someone there should be approached, and if they agree, next step would be setting up a donation fund to help out, I would think. I'd sure donate. AAC seem right for the lead? Know anyone there to approach?"

Seems like a logical idea to me at this point. AAC has a great website, has the heritage and political clout that the BL would respect and is well established. The transfer would be expensive but not outrageous and a Donation Fund seems to be the logical mode to accomplish this. Donini would be the one to recc someone in the AAC to contact on this.

Probably best we start another Topic Thread so we don't rob Hall of Mirrors too much of all the fun input on this site.

Klk
@guido and tom:

the reproduction of material of any sort that is in The Bancroft is subject to the restrictions in both copyright law (for relevant material) and the terms of the donation. With many large collections, the donor-- and not the library --retains copyright/permissions control over the donated material.

What the library and its users can do with the registers and any reports of their contents, will be governed first by the terms of that agreement. The library typically tries to negotiate donations with the broadest possible terms of use, but many collections typically limit the creation (and thus potential circulation) of reproductions. Others will charge by image, not just for the labor involved in copying, but also for each use. And the agreements can vary widely in terms of use.

I have worked in the sierra club collection, but as I havenít yet used any of the images in publications, Iím not familiar with the terms of that agreement. You can ask the librarians and they can tell you.

For images not bound by donor/collection agreements, the standard rule of the thumb (at the Bancroft and other archives) is to label or credit each image: "Courtesy of The Bancroft Library."

The B has done a series of extensive (and in some cases, pioneering) digitization projects and is always hoping to do more. But that depends on funding. If folks wanted the registers digitized and on the web, the first thing is to find out if the current terms of the donation allow for that sort of reproduction. The next step would be to organize the fundraising. Its way more expensive than you might think. The sort of let's-get-drunk-and-scan-some-of-our-old-slides-on-this-random-deal-i-bought-on-the-web crowd sourcing that we do here all the time isn't going to happen at a serious research library.

Iíve written a bit about the issue here:
http://alpinehistory.com/2010/04/yosemites-first/

and yes, guido, the easiest way to copy things like those summit registers is simply to photograph them, assuming the donation's terms of use allow that. The industry standard for those sorts of images, btw, is TIFF rather than JPEG.

The B already has stacks of stuff digitized, by the way. Most of the finding aids are online, and there are large collections of digital images on various topics already up, including (iirc), parts of the SC Collection. That Collection includes not only summit registers but correspondence, meeting memoranda and a related series of transcribed oral interviews with many of the principals.

The Bancroft, for what it's worth, has a reputation for being not only one of the best archival libraries in North America, but also for being one of the friendliest and most accessible. Just try doing a similar excursion at The Huntington Library or even SPecial Collections at UCLA and see what that experience is like, heh.


klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 27, 2011 - 05:39pm PT
thanks, tom.

btw, sometimes portions of collections get shared in microfilm versions, which would be one way to get a copy for the AAC Library. Beth Heller would be the point person there, but I can't see any advantage to having the AAC rather than The B host digital access, and again, the terms of donation may preclude that sort of sharing.

i haven't ever looked at any of the registers-- my sense is that there are a lot of them and some of them cover a lot of years-- even at two pages per image, that's a lot of images. that means a lot of labor for the tagging and supervision in addition to the actual work of pulling stuff out, sending tatty stuff to cons, and then building out the current platform. my guess is we'd be looking at a lot of dough and a volunteer intern or two isn't likely to reduce the outlay a whole lot.

the real question is not, would everyone like to have a digitized, searchable collection of high quality scans of the registers online for free (my guess would be, "yes,"), but rather is this a higher priority than other possible projects? as it is, sitting the bancroft, they're already a lot more accessible than they were in situ.

and both aac and bancroft have stacks of amazing stuff-- images, diaries, correspondence, etc. --that could also be digitized.





klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 27, 2011 - 05:55pm PT
here for instance is a digitized copy of the transcripts of early (1970s mostly) Bancroft Library oral history interviews with Sierra Club leaders like Brower, Leonard, and SIri:

http://www.archive.org/details/sierraclubleaders02lagerich

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Aug 27, 2011 - 06:00pm PT
I'd love to do this, but I'm a few years from retirement... my days these days are gloriously busy with research. It is a lot of work to do it right... but it would be great to have this stuff available online.

The years will go by fast... maybe I'll be able to help eventually.

klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 27, 2011 - 06:02pm PT
here is the listing to the primary SC Collections at The Bancroft as it appears in the OAC:

http://oac.cdlib.org/institutions/UC+Berkeley::Bancroft+Library?titlesAZ=S

Click on each entry to see the different listings. here is the entry for the Mountain Registers and Records:

http://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/tf738nb2br/

Summit Registers make up a tiny portion of the SC Collection. This entire entry includes 23 cartons (which includes lots of stuff other than summit registers.) For comparison, "Member Records" has 275 cartons alone.

Most of the finding aids distinctly say "Copyright has not been assigned to The Bancroft Library." That means that the Sierra Club (or its agents) retain control over permissions.
QITNL

climber
Aug 27, 2011 - 08:36pm PT
The Mount Starr King Peak Registers 1931-1982 courtesy BBA
LongAgo

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 28, 2011 - 03:49am PT
Digitizing - A Sobering Prospect

I think klk has sobered me and will sober others on the topic of digitizing peak registers and getting them accessible to easy web searches by the likes of supertopo posters and discussion forums. Turns out Bancroft already has a MOMOUTH collection of "Mountain Registers" as they call them, and the sheer volume of registers alone (down to "register containers made of a variety of materials: brass, iron, tin, wood and glass") suggests digitizing even a limited collection, say for the Sierra, no say, Yosemite Park alone, would be an enormous undertaking. Just to demonstrate the point, look here at a description of "Series 3:"

Series 3 Mountain Registers 1875-2005

Physical Description: Carton 2, folders 34-35; Cartons 3-19, and 21-23
Arrangement

Arranged alphabetically by name of summit or mountain, and then chronologically.
Scope and Content Note

Contains register volumes and registers consisting of loose sheets. Unless otherwise indicated the location is California. Registers of multiple locations, and unknown locations entered at end of list. Some registers overlap in dates and popular site may have more than one register in a year. Since these registers are exposed to the elements some are extremely fragile. If you cannot find the register you are looking for it may be included in the unidentified registers found at the end of this series. Otherwise the register may still be on the mountain, or unfortunately it may be missing. The Bancroft receives new registers all the time and tries to update the finding aid annually.

Abbot, Mount

Carton 31908-1936, 1950
Carton 31939-1970
Carton 31939-1978
Carton 31980-1991, 1993

Adlai Stevenson, Mount

Carton 31922-1957, 1965
Carton 31972-1973

Agassiz, Mount

Carton 31907-1930
Carton 31976-1980
Carton 31977
Carton 31977

... and on and on it goes by mountain, carton after carton. See:

http://oac.cdlib.org/view?docId=tf738nb2br;style=oac4;view=dsc#c01-1.3.6.3

What Can Be Done, Reasonably, For Now

So obviously, at least for now, short of some herculean effort by the likes of Google scan the universe project, we are stuck with the noble but individual efforts of the likes of Bill Amborn who brought us Mt. Starr King 1931-1982 complete with transcription, indices, and statistical summaries by accessing register info on his own, or maybe with some support by friends or unnamed donors.

Bill tells us how to do it for intrepid souls wanting to digitize a register as he did, with Starr King as an example: "If one wishes to see the Starr King Registers, one may visit the (Bancroft) library and request the Sierra Club Peak Register for Mt Starr King, CATALOG RECORD BANC MSS 71/293 carton 17. Alternatively, one may purchase a copy of the microfilm of the files." Sounds easy but bill can report on how much time it took to do what he did - many hours, one guesses.

Another example of what is entailed is in the Teton register post on this thread:

"The images of the summit registers were made by Paul Horton as part of a project to organize the original pages and preserve them in archival sleeves. The collection is kept at Park Headquarters at Moose, Wyoming. Its existence is due to the ongoing efforts of generations of Grand Teton National Park Rangers and other Teton mountaineers. In particular, Leigh Ortenburger performed a substantial amount of voluntary archive work in past years. Rangers Dan Burgette and Renny Jackson provided considerable aid to this preservation project." Here again we can only guess how much of the "voluntary" work entailed digitizing by Leigh and or others.

Going From Here

Maybe the maximum hope would be the AAC or Sierra Club with big donation support would digitize registers for some limited select number of peaks, nationwide or by range, but that would be the max and entail lots of legwork, permissions and major donation fund. And then, as klk suggests, the question is whether donors and the relevant organization decision makers would see the project as sufficiently worthwhile relative to other needs (expedition support, journal publication, member support, general library support, or digitizing other stuff) to go forth. My guess is probably nope.

So, in the meantime, pick a summit and follow Amborn's path. To my eye scanning down Series 3 Mountain Registers at Bancroft candidates would include: Mt. Conness, Fairview Dome, Glacier Point Apron, Higher Spire, Mt. Hopkins, Incredible Hulk, Lembert Dome, Lost Arrow Tip, Lower Spire, Lunch Ledge, Monday Morning Slab, North Dome, Patio Pinnacle, Phantom Pinnacle, Pywiack, Rixons, Royal Arches ... and more.

Hmm, now there's a retirement plan, if I get ever get there.

Tom Higgins
LongAgo

BBA

climber
OF
Aug 28, 2011 - 10:36am PT
It took about two to three months of part time to scan the Starr King register microfilm and render it into typed text. That probably worked out to only 4 or 5 pages a day on the average. I'm not a good typist.

The scanning went OK, but if one were to do it from original paper it would go faster. The microfilm was 35mm in dimension, without holes on the sides and in some cases the image went farther than the little slide scanner would allow to be seen, so I had to trim some of the film, make two runs and merge the results.

The initial reaction of the Bancroft contact with authority to say yea or nay for me to put the register on the web was one of horror:
------

Date: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Subject: Mt. Starr King mountain register
mailed-by library.berkeley.edu
Dear William Amborn,
It is not permissible to mount the peak register pages for Mt. Starr King online, but it would be possible to include them in a published work. If you choose to pursue the book project, please let me know which pages you've selected for inclusion, using the format in the attached procedures. Please let me know if you have questions.
------

And so I made a book out of it. That took about 8 or 9 months and I sent it in on a DVD and got a letter saying how wonderful and go ahead. With over 500 footnotes, how could a librarian or academic resist approval?
To tell the truth, it was OK that they insisted I make a book. I had a lot of fun researching names, finding out things, and contacting people. As it stands now, anyone can use the Starr King book I made for anything they wish.

If the Bancroft were nearby and I was given the authority to scan mountain registers, I would go wild on that as a project and do it for nothing. But that's just me. I had a blast climbing and think it is a form of payback to do these things.

I recall that the Sierra Club Librarian in San Francisco had all the old Yodeler issues when I was there a few years back. Those are pretty cool for old history, too. Then there are the archives in San Bruno. Some absolutely great photography as attachments to memos and the like.

If anyone gets something interesting and wants help, let me know and I'll see if I can be of assistance. I think it is best on these projects not to be in a hurry, and savor the entries and think of things, and that is how I do them...
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Aug 28, 2011 - 03:47pm PT
Yes, the actual digital archiving would be a daunting project but not as immense as one is led to believe. In several hours at the Bancroft my daughter Kali and I were able to go through 5 cartons. The sad part is many of the Registers are incomplete and parts are unreadable and forever lost.

I was able to go through the Registers on Coonyard, Rixons, Patio Pinnacle, Fairview Dome, Glacier Point Apron, Lost Arrow Tip, Washington Column, Higher Cathedral Spire, Phantom Pinnacle and The Royal Arches. I had most of these photocopied and put onto microfilm. the cost was $322 and took many months as some of the items had to go to the Conservation Laboratory to have mold vacuumed out and the paper treated and straightened. Also the staff has been greatly reduced in the past few years so there was a backlog to deal with. I must say the staff was very accommodating and helpful and the only problem we encountered was the head librarian scolding us for making too much noise as we verbally celebrated perusing old, classic climbs and signatures of the past. A real walk down memory lane.

On receipt of the microfilm, Kali and I utilized a recent addition to the UC Santa Cruz Library, a microfilm to disk machine, that greatly facilitated the transfer. Voila hard copy now available.

BBA was able to accomplish his task on Mr Starr King without ever visiting the library. Unfortunately he did not have access to a machine for converting microfilm to hard copy and had to painstakingly scan each individual mini film on a home flatbed scanner. Ouch!

The good part is now all these registers we had copied should be available to anyone on a microfilm basis but still not cheap.

The actual process of reproduction photography is not brain surgery and can be learned in a short time. Years ago we set up a project where we photo reproduced numerous rare natural history books from the 18th and 19th century. Fragile, white gloves and all but once you get all the bells and whistles worked out it flows. With the advent of the modern digital camera the process is greatly simplified

The biggest problem with the Bancroft and it looks like the Sierra Club would be the permission process and I can visualize where this would eventually entail more time than the actual photo reproduction. You know the scenario, ten years to gain permission to build a house and 6 months to build it.

The part I find funny about this entire thing is, we put the Register up on Coonyard on the first ascent, or in reality a week later and now it resides at the Bancroft and I need permission and must pay to copy it and ask for permission to reproduce it. Since someone took the initiative to remove it from Coonyard and send it to the Sierra Club it now belongs to them and is only "stored" at the Bancroft? That is hilarious.

I guess I am as responsible as anyone with this scenario. During the mid 60s, working under Bill Engs at the Sierra Club, I was responsible for replacing many of the full Registers in the Northern Sierra with new books and new Aluminum Registers if required and sending the old ones on to the Sierra Club. See why it is so funny.





klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 28, 2011 - 08:48pm PT
idk what it would be like getting permissions from the sierra club. but if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right, and that would mean raising some dough. really, what it means, is finding some individual with deep pockets (possibly already a bancroft donor) who likes the idea of the project and wants to write a check that could then get supplemented with volunteer hours and smaller donations.

the other obvious option is just for folks to get wander by when they're in the area, grab a register or two that is especially interesting, and do the photo-to-jpeg deal and keep it all under the radar.

the end product wouldn't be a large, permanent, high-quality database of the sort we'd all like to see. and it would last only as long as the individual and informal hosting arrangements lasted. but the ones bill and guido have done are there now, as examples.

doing one as a serious project (w. sc permissions, which i expect would be granted), would be expensive. the bancroft isn't going to build out its platform for some homemade deal-- and it probably legally can't, because OAC is a multi-institutional compact that (quite properly) demands archival standard scanning, tagging, and formatting.

personally, i think it'd be brilliant if the entire SC collection were digitized, or at least the portions of it that dont involve copyright issues. the problem is the dough. insane expensive, and the reason the SC donated everything in the first place is that the club didn't want to pay to keep a library anymore, so funding digitization is unlikely to become a club priority anytime soon.

LongAgo

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 29, 2011 - 02:56am PT
Bill Amborn puts it well, given the current state of affairs as revealed on this thread. We are left to a labor of love, not a half bad course given what I've learned about life over my years to date: "but I think it is best on these projects not to be in a hurry, and savor the entries and think of things, and that is how I do them..." Bravo to "thinking about things." I will make my visit to Bancroft soon to do so.

On a more pragmatic note, Guido points the way for anyone with some passion and money to do what has been done for Starr King. Here is the path: "The good part is now all these registers we had copied should be available to anyone on a microfilm basis but still not cheap." And in particular: "I was able to go through the Registers on Coonyard, Rixons, Patio Pinnacle, Fairview Dome, Glacier Point Apron, Lost Arrow Tip, Washington Column, Higher Cathedral Spire, Phantom Pinnacle and The Royal Arches. I had most of these photocopied and put onto microfilm." So, those with interest and some bucks, contact Guido, if I read this right. Do I have that right, Guido? People can contact you for a mircofilm version of the registers you name, pay you for your effort to be worked out with you, and then deal with Bancroft on the permission process or is that process now done given your rights to the material?

I'm off to Bancroft next week to savor the names and places and "think about things." Bravo to that instinct. And I look forward to a scolding from the head librarian as I hoot and holler remembering the old days.

Tom Higgins
LongAgo



BBA

climber
OF
Aug 29, 2011 - 11:11am PT
I feel the problem is one of having a place everyone can easily find projects such as Guidoís and mine. Not for our glory (what little there may be in such efforts), but purely for those interested in history.

The reason I got permission from the Bancroft was that making a book creates a different use than just copying and posting, and I'd bet the Bancroft has the authority to allow that under the agreements they make, otherwise it wouldn't function too well as a research library. To avoid the copyright/permissions issue, Guido or anyone could make a pro forma book (much less detailed than I did would probably fly) and then ask for permission to publish electronically using the registers - then you are legal. I'm sure you guys know enough to tell a few stories about people in the registers.

The other issue which troubled me a little was privacy. Some entries reflected what I will call the "exuberance of youth." However, my attorney advisor (a daughter) tells me no one signing a book left in a public place has an expectation of privacy. Even so, I asked a couple of people if it was OK because it was not my intent to irritate anyone. And, although a public place, one doesnít expect the world to get up there and read your comments.

Getting permission was easy for an old bureaucrat. Here is all that transpired after I had done my typing:

photo not found
Missing photo ID#215129

photo not found
Missing photo ID#215130

And the reply:

photo not found
Missing photo ID#215131

Aside from a year of part time effort, I probably spent about $100, $35 of which was for the microfilm and the rest mostly for books written by people who climbed Starr King. I really got into it.

If anyone has a project that is really cool, send me a few pages and I'll transcribe them for nothing.
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Aug 29, 2011 - 11:56am PT
Tom

Since I already paid for those Registers to be microfilmed, they are now a permanent digital record and should be available for anyone for a small fee from the Bancroft. My guess is $35?

Then again if anyone here would like a copy I would be happy to provide them with a copy in the interest of history and our climbing heritage. Concerning permission and copyright manners they will have to deal with the Bancroft.
local

Social climber
eldorado springs
Aug 29, 2011 - 11:56pm PT
The Teton registers were fun to look through. It only took a few minutes to find the record of couple of climbs we did the summer of '66 after graduating from GW HS in Denver. We had no idea that we were climbing the same routes as the notorious east coats boys. (Maybe they were the guys at the other end of the loop with the British cars that would never start after it rained.)

We didn't get to climb with many of the other climbers passing through the dusty little climbers campground across the river from Jenny Lake Campground. We were pretty young and dumb at the time and the 'adults' didn't pay much attention to us.

I reckon we swatted mosquitoes and drank from the same Teton Tea Kettle a time or two, however. Those parties were pretty much an open bar, and minors were not excluded from the festivities, which likely had something to do with the campground getting shut down.
Credit: local
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Credit: local
LongAgo

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2011 - 07:48pm PT
Just to wrap up for me and any readers with interest in this thread, seems there are two main take away points:

 Guido says, "Since I already paid for those Registers to be microfilmed, they are now a permanent digital record and should be available for anyone for a small fee from the Bancroft." To be clear, there now is a "digital record" (film or disk or file on hard drive/server or all of these) at the Bancroft of the named registers thanks to you, and available to any all comers to view? No charge to view probably, but nominal fee to get permission to take away for agreed to, specified use. Or, people can come to you for a digital copy but in either going to you or Bancroft directly, they will need to deal with Bancroft on use rights, and get an agreement/permission in writing.

 And on the point of use: no matter if one goes through Bancroft or Guido, BBA cautions one may have to commit to some form of "book" (paper, electronic) with Bancroft in order to get use rights, but once one has the rights they will extend to posting on forums and website for educational and information purpose (as we have seen on supertopo so far), non-commercial probably and in line with Sierra Club wishes as they provided the library with the materials in the first place.

Is that a fair summary?

Tom Higgins
LongAGo



BBA

climber
OF
Aug 31, 2011 - 12:10pm PT
Maybe an essay or like a short article would pass - a book might be overdoing it. I think they need something that gives them cover. And, as I've shown above, the permission process is not complex.
QITNL

climber
Jul 22, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
Adding to the list:

Fin Register, Castle Rocks in Sequoia National Park
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2187054/Fin-Register-Castle-Rocks-in-Sequoia-National-Park
courtesy limpingcrab

A collection of digital images of the Grand Teton National Park Summit Register Archive:
http://www.tetonclimbinghistory.com/
BBA

climber
OF
Jul 24, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
Interestingly enough, I now have pics of the Starr-King registers from 1981-2013 which I will slowly and laboriously transcribe and put out for the world as an addendum to my original project. Mark Spencer graciously photgraphed them on the summit and sent them to me. Now there's a gentleman. It may take a year or so, but the existential premise is that there is no qualitative difference in what one does. You just gotta last long. Ha! I seem to be in excellent health at 72, so I may finish the project. But the years keep on agoin', so it's never really done.

Nice thread about the issue, by the way. People here (other than I) have given some thought to what they write. Even Guido, which is always a surprise.

amborn
QITNL

climber
Jul 24, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
Bitchin'! I love reading those things but I never seem to have much time at the summit. Plus I'm a klutz and don't want to mess them up. There's a lot of personality in some of those scribbles. I really enjoy perusing them online.

Storing in them in libraries seems somewhat antiquated. We have so much better technology now. Unfortunately the libraries probably don't have the resources for their digitization. Or much interest, for that matter.

Some rainy day I want to venture up to the Bancroft, talk to the folks there. Climbing Registers would be a nice tab on the Taco or some other central location.
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Jul 24, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
BBA

Bitchin Bill AmbornE-thanks for the compliment and I always love posting this wonderful photo of you and Foottttski. My best to yah mate!
Sayonara Mutha F*#ker..........
Sayonara Mutha F*#ker..........
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