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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Aug 21, 2011 - 12:42pm PT
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Actually Dean, I've had some experience with bear break ins, and it never came down to killing the bear. I've fired a gun in the air, but never resorted to killing the animal.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 21, 2011 - 12:42pm PT
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HFCS,
Now you are talking about the wrong kind of mounting again.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 21, 2011 - 12:47pm PT
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the actual skin of a bear is quite thin
Some bears can shed insults better than others.
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apogee
climber
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Aug 21, 2011 - 12:47pm PT
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Hmmm.
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Aug 21, 2011 - 12:48pm PT
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About a week and a half ago, my neighbor woke up to a bear working on a jar of Nutella in her living room. That bear split out the same window it came in, as soon as she walked into the room, but I suppose it's just a matter of time 'til he's trying to come through my window (and get MY Nutella).
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 21, 2011 - 12:49pm PT
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You probably did the right thing, but it's nothing to be proud of.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 21, 2011 - 12:52pm PT
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If Ouch was still here we would have a police lineup with 46 and Werner.
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apogee
climber
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Aug 21, 2011 - 12:53pm PT
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Surely you must realize the level of drama and clucking that a thread like this is going to create on ST. What's the point?
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Aug 21, 2011 - 01:00pm PT
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Cragman sorry you had to go though that.
I can't do what you did cause my woman would kill me.
She has never had kids.
Once I had a child things for me changed. Anything in the house when the kid was home & I was going to kill it.
Now that the kids grown up & I have a new woman -- If I killed the bear she would kill me, but if the bear killed me there would be fresh flowers on my grave. & if I was only mauled she would take good care of me.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 21, 2011 - 01:01pm PT
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Bears don't make good rugs.
Besides, some women like bald men.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 21, 2011 - 01:02pm PT
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Ease up apogee.
We had a thread awhile back about a guy in Mammoth who helps the town control the bears. He makes a big effort to use non lethal means to reeducate the bears, but even still, occasionally he has to put one down. This guys name is Steve Searles. There is a documentary on what he does, but I haven't found it. It is a great story, because it shows how difficult it is to reeducate a bear, but that sometimes it does work.
It was a hard winter for the bears.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 21, 2011 - 01:05pm PT
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Dean:
I will shortly be moving my burglary operation to June Lake. By any chance could you give me your street addy?
John
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Aug 21, 2011 - 01:05pm PT
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What is misunderstood by many of the more "bleeding heart" types here is the persistence of bears once they begin a behavior set. They can be "scared off" only once, but they'll BE BACK REPEATEDLY!
Food is always the issue; they are after anything edible. Feeding the bears may seem "cute" to some here, but the death warrant is issued onece this begins.
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Gilwad
climber
Frozen In Somewhere
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Aug 21, 2011 - 01:14pm PT
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Cragman, I don't think I'm following how this went down, I must be missing something? This bear was doomed no matter what so it's all just plain unfortunate and so no judgements from me at all (other than that's impressive shooting and that you're OK), but I'm still curious how this went if you have a minute.
You come into your living room, and there's a bear trying to get through the window. You're inside, bear is on deck outside. Did the bear come into the house somehow? You say the bear charged you, so the bear must have been in the house somehow, right? Or was the bear always on the deck and you in the house? If so how did it charge you?
I just can't follow how this went down looking at the pictures and your report.
And there must be someone who hunts in your area, be great to get him/her to butcher that bear right away, be a shame to waste the meat and skin. I'd do it if I were local, unfortunately not. Bear-proof garbage bins should be mandatory in any area with bears. Idiots feeding bears are just that.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Aug 21, 2011 - 01:16pm PT
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Hey Brokenclimber, read Moosies post upthread. Bears can be reeducated, it's a proven thing. I ain't no bleeding heart, just a realist with experience in the matter. Sometimes bears are capped preemptively. Live and let live, I say. One of my bear run ins, I had a bruin walk halfway through my open screen door in truckee. If i let him, he would've eaten all the food in my kitchen. Luckily, I yelled at it and threw something at.it. It ran away. If people kept their goddamn trash secure we wouldnt be discussing this.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 21, 2011 - 01:18pm PT
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Ho Man! What a wake-up call.
I'm glad you and your family are OK.
Beautiful place you have there, by the way.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 21, 2011 - 01:25pm PT
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Cragman....Rule # 1... Bears feel threatened when they see plaid...Never wear plaid...!...Rule #2...If the bear charges , you should curl up and play dead...RJ
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 21, 2011 - 01:27pm PT
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You guys shouldn't get on Cragman's case. Look how he's helped Flanders. He is a charitable guy. He treats every day like it is Christmas. Look at the photo. He still has the lights up!
But he's still being cagey about needing new underwear.
It's nothing to be embarrassed about. I mean, after all, if you are getting up three times a night to pee even without having to shoot a bear each time,...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 21, 2011 - 01:30pm PT
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Ron..We all have our insecurities...This is no place to criticize a man who is lingerie challenged....RJ
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 21, 2011 - 01:38pm PT
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All this, and no one has fingered Goldilocks?
Anyway, good work Dean - I'd probably have done the same, if in your shoes. Well, OK, I would have hired you, Werner and Ron to take care of it for me, if the pot banging routine didn't pan out, and pepper spray didn't do it.
The underlying issues are that the population of black bears in the Sierra has at least doubled over the last 25 - 30 years, and that there is increasing human presence in suburban and frontcountry areas that also happen to be bear habitat. Major management challenge, due to demography and geography.
Edit: Didn't plaid go out of style with the Bay City Rollers?
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