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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 31, 2011 - 08:01pm PT
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Eventually water will cost so much that the casinos will move their operations to cheaper locations (the big ones already have).
Vegas is already doomed to becoming a ghost town. The trouble is some people don't have a clue and feel that growth = good.
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ericandlucie
Trad climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2011 - 01:19pm PT
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Let's write some e-mails!
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ericandlucie
Trad climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2011 - 05:23pm PT
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doesn't anybody care?
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ericandlucie
Trad climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2011 - 02:55pm PT
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Are we all sheep?
Or are we going to do something about this?
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Santa Rosa & Bishop, CA
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Dingus= I have heard that one before about the water and Mammoth/Bishop. Bishop would not be as small as it is, if it were not for the BLM, LADWP, NF. Mammtoh would look much like Tahoe.
I just finished watching 180 degree south. And am currently living in Vegas while going to nursing school (that will change....im actually moving back to the East Coast to finish my schooling). But last night I went and and hiked to City View Trail in the Henderson neighborhood, with longboard in hand and sweating balls in the 98 degree heat @ 9pm. What I saw behind the hill amazed me.
Developeers behing the "McDonald's private residence area" have completly terraced the landscape behind the hilside to make room for crazy BIG houses. There is alrady multiple paved roads and water lines in the area. But the extent of the terracing and landscaping is amazing. It really does look like an open pit mine. And trust me me mom is a coal miners daughter from W.VA and I have seen a lot of them. There must be 5 foot deep concret retaining walls behind all the massive boulders coving up the actual wall. I did cross my mind to try to boulder some of these wall....but decided against it. It just lame, to the extent developers will go......But like some else said "someone else is going to come along and do it"
We are evolving into a civilazation that will ultimitly kill themselves, once we have exahausted all possible resources.
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ericandlucie
Trad climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2011 - 07:42pm PT
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Ron Anderson: whaaaat?
First: it's not my site, I am simply trying to raise awareness here.
Second: wow, I just checked and you are right; this is new: when I signed the thing a few days ago it did not ask. Thanks for pointing it out. I hate this sort of backdoor fundraising too.
However, it only asks AFTER you sign, and you can simply ignore it.
I'll mention this to the person who set up the petition and see it she can get if fixed.
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ericandlucie
Trad climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2011 - 10:53am PT
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How about writing some e-mails?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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ericandlucie,
best to not talk about sheep on a rock climbing forum.
It is too distracting.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Believe it or not, a big enough public protest can make a difference.
If you read the recent history of the Clark county commisioners on development near Red Rock, they do listen when the public gets loud enough. The main victory the developer Rhodes has so far was mainly a legal settlement, not a regular vote.
As Eric&Lucie wrote on the mountainproject thread,
http://www.mountainproject.com/v/red-rock-threatened-by-development/107227001__2
"... in the Las Vegas Review Journal, published on July 7 (full article here: www.lvrj.com/news/rhodes-submits-revised-plan-125130408.html ):
Eight years ago, county commissioners voted to limit the density on Rhodes' land to one home for every two acres. The state passed a statute mirroring the county's code.
Rhodes later filed a lawsuit challenging the restrictions.
Last year, a federal judge struck down the state law and was preparing to rule on the county's code. That prompted commissioners to vote 4-3 to let Rhodes apply for higher-density use.
The reason why this matters, even though I personally am opposed to ANY development on the hill, even at one house per two acres, is that at the lower density, the plan may simply not be financially viable. Also, the lower density zoning reduces the commercial value of the land, and makes it easier for the BLM to offer a swap, assuming they had any interest in doing so (I have not had any answers from them yet)."
http://saveredrock.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=128:voting-2010&catid=1:latest-updates
http://saveredrock.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=40&Itemid=64&limitstart=5
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ericandlucie
Trad climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2011 - 10:06pm PT
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Buuuump!
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krahmes
Social climber
Stumptown
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Good luck with this. I’ve tried to delay a housing development or two in my time. Locals matter and numbers matter. Lawyer up, if you can. Overall traffic impacts is something commissioners are often keenly aware of; hidden development infrastructure costs for water, sewage, roads, and electricity subsidized by current residents should be pointed out; and finally a appeal to elected leaders better angels by pointing out how a urban conservation area is investment in the future of a city scape - are all tacks I’d take if was my ox.
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Tobia
Social climber
GA
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"The guy is a thief. What they are trying to do is get it approved, then to satisfy the environmentalists, do a BLM exchange for better land."
The description of the developer and his scheme by someone who has done business with him.
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Basso
Social climber
Laramie, Wyoming
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Aug 16, 2011 - 02:33pm PT
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I agree that this is very serious, and the fact that it makes no sense is no guarantee that that these greed-heads will not take action. I think massive grass roots action is indicated. All I ever did at RR was deliver and retrieve NOLS climbing camps to the "crappy old campground" back in the 1990. To be honest, I am far more interested in the wild burros and tarantulas than I am in climbers...
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Aug 16, 2011 - 02:47pm PT
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As far as I can tell, the Access Fund site is totally inoperative for Red Rock action (Firefox on a Macbook Pro running OSX Lion).
See the various other links upthread instead.
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Aug 16, 2011 - 03:12pm PT
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Personalized letter sent via Access Fund.
I love Red Rocks. It's really the only reason I'd ever go to that $hithole Vegas.
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malabarista
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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Aug 16, 2011 - 04:25pm PT
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RePost from my email:
Dear Friends of Red Rock Canyon,
The Clark County Commissioners' meeting is tomorrow!
(At which they will be deciding whether to approve or deny the concept plan for high density development on the mountain in the middle of Red Rock, see map.)
Today is your last chance before the meeting to make a difference. If you haven't already, please do what you can to help SAVE RED ROCK!
sign the Petition
contact the commissioners: just write a short note asking them to PLEASE KEEP RED ROCK RURAL!
Emails: ccdista@ClarkCountyNV.gov, ccdistb@ClarkCountyNV.gov, ccdistc@ClarkCountyNV.gov, ccdistd@ClarkCountyNV.gov, ccdiste@ClarkCountyNV.gov, ccdistf@ClarkCountyNV.gov, ccdistg@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Phone: 455-3500
Fax: 455-3271
names, districts, and more
attend the Clark County Commissioner's hearing
August 17 at 9:00 a.m.
Clark County Government Building
500 S. Grand Central Pkwy, LV, NV 89155
wear Red for Red Rock
spread the word
learn more on the Save Red Rock.com website,
network on facebook (Save Red Rock Canyon in search)
forward this email to your friends
Thank you,
Heather Fisher
http://www.saveredrock.com
MORE INFO:
The map:
The concept plan:
The major project submitted to Clark County Commissioners for consideration, proposes a a high density development of over 7000 homes, a university and/or research center, businesses, hotels, condos, and strip malls on the mine mountain in Red Rock Canyon.
The plan does not honor the land use and zoning plans for the area. Nor does the plan honor the local, state and national commitments that led to the creation of the Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area, an area near and dear to Las Vegas that has become world renown for it's hiking, rock climbing, cycling, nature walks, photography, and natural tourist draw.
This concept plan also defies reason and economics, asks commissioners to jump the Las Vegas infrastructure five miles from what is readily available, adds 7,000 more homes in Southern Nevada when 20,000 homes sit vacant, proposes major competition to our local university system, and adds 20,000 or more people in an area of drought.
If the Commissioners approve this concept plan, Clark County will have compromised it's most magnificent National Conservation Area for the profit of one developer. It's not even a question of taking away property owner rights. This developer already has the right to build on his property, but only in a rural manner just like any other private property owner within the canyon (at one house per two acres). But he is not satisfied with this, and is backing his high density mountain proposal with a marvelous public relations effort, very smart legal maneuverings, and a powerful budget.
The decision the commissioners are scheduled to make on the morning of Aug. 17 will define us all.
So to save Red Rock Canyon, public interest needs to be presented in every available means of communication -- newspaper editorials, emails and phone calls to the commissioners, tweets, blogs, websites and -- above all -- presence at the decision-making event. If we care, now is the time to express our senses of honor, reason and beauty. It is a time for action. (from July 31 Evan Blythin letter to editor in Review Journal)
Sample letter to Commissioners:
(from Nevada Conservation League Action Alerts)
I am asking you to protect Red Rock Canyon by voting against the proposed
Blue Diamond Hill development.
It changes the landscape of a national treasure in our own backyard.
Building 7,000 homes along with commercial centers and industrial shops
would create pollution and congestion right in the middle of one of the
region's most popular hiking, cycling, and rock climbing destinations.
It does not make economic sense. The proposed plan places additional
strain on the already overdeveloped housing market and requires an
expansion of the county's current infrastructure to service a new area.
With home prices at their lowest in 20 years, and with a community still
feeling the impacts of the largest foreclosure crisis our nation has ever
seen, WHY would we approve this development?
It opens the door to future developers trying to break the rules for
building in rural areas. These codes exist to limit the consumption of
limited resources, such as water, in areas with limited access to
resources, as well as to protect the natural character of our most beloved
natural areas.
So please, follow the easy links above to help SAVE RED ROCK FROM MAJOR PROJECT DEVELOPMENT!
Thank you,
Heather Fisher
http://www.saveredrock.com
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Sheik aka JD
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Aug 16, 2011 - 05:26pm PT
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My wife and I signed the petition and sent the form letter.
(bump)
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