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Gearhead

Trad climber
Novato Ca
Jul 22, 2011 - 05:43pm PT
No reply from Fattrad so far
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jul 22, 2011 - 06:36pm PT
Go Israel!

They go through this very real fear every single minute of every single day. They have rockets fired at their children just about every day.

They don't deserve it just like Norway doesn't deserve it just like Mumbai doesn't deserve it just like ....

Innocent people don't "deserve" anything except our kindness.

Yes, it is that simple.


Skip


WTF does this have to do with go Israel?? The first to jump on the Anti-Islam bandwagon with Fatty, before things are known in any detail.

I know you don't understand this skip, but there are innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, KSA, Jordan, Egypt, and yay verily, even in the future state of Palestine. Most of those innocent people in all of those countries just happen to be Muslims. God, what ignorant pigs we come off as at times.....






survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jul 22, 2011 - 08:22pm PT
Bump for right wing extremism.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 22, 2011 - 08:39pm PT
Faatrad....israel will defend Norway....On what? Snowshoes?
Tobia

Social climber
GA
Jul 22, 2011 - 08:57pm PT
It's a tragedy anytime this happens, whether a market in Kabul, or Norways capital

That is a point that hopefully no one will argue about.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jul 22, 2011 - 09:14pm PT
Don't worry Norway or America, Israel will protect you.
F U C K O F F Fats. Seriously. Do it.

There is no way we will know what happened in Norway or why or what or any of that stuff. It's horrible to all ends of the earth a violent attack happened there. It can happen anywhere. We have no idea where is next nor why.

The world is falling to pieces with this asymmetric warfare. It really scares the crap outta me what with my son in the military now.........
QITNL

climber
Jul 22, 2011 - 09:15pm PT
Wow, this is really awful, they are reporting at least 80 dead, a lot of them kids. It sounds like the same guy set up the bombs then shot up the camp. My condolences to all of our Norwegian friends.

From
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07/22/explosion-damages-buildings-in-norwegian-capital/
or
http://www.npr.org/2011/07/22/138626825/police-norway-bombing-shootings-domestic-terror

Righties or lefties, read either you wish - they share the same text:

A police official said the suspect appears to have acted alone in both attacks, and that "it seems like that this is not linked to any international terrorist organizations at all." The official spoke on condition of anonymity because that information had not been officially released by Norway's police.

"It seems it's not Islamic-terror related," the official said. "This seems like a madman's work."

The official said the attack "is probably more Norway's Oklahoma City than it is Norway's World Trade Center." Domestic terrorists carried out the 1995 attack on a federal building in Oklahoma City, while foreign terrorists were responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

The official added, however, "it's still just hours since the incident happened. And the investigation is going on with all available resources."

The attacks formed the deadliest day of terror in Western Europe since the 2004 Madrid train bombings, when shrapnel-filled bombs exploded, killing 191 people and wounding about 1,800.

The motive was unknown, but both attacks were in areas connected to the ruling Labor Party government. The youth camp, about 20 miles (35 kilometers) northwest of Oslo, is organized by the party's youth wing, and the prime minister had been scheduled to speak there Saturday.

A 15-year-old camper named Elise said she heard gunshots, but then saw a police officer and thought she was safe. Then he started shooting people right before her eyes.

"I saw many dead people," said Elise, whose father, Vidar Myhre, didn't want her to disclose her last name. "He first shot people on the island. Afterward he started shooting people in the water."

Elise said she hid behind the same rock that the killer was standing on. "I could hear his breathing from the top of the rock," she said.

She said it was impossible to say how many minutes passed while she was waiting for him to stop.
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 22, 2011 - 09:24pm PT


Too f*#king sad. Not that they'll read it, but condolences to those affected.


I assumed that Fattrad was being ironic but maybe he was just wrong.
Anastasia

climber
hanging from an ice pick and missing my mama.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2011 - 09:31pm PT
Fatty was being ironic... That's his "thing."
murcy

Gym climber
sanfrancisco
Jul 22, 2011 - 09:40pm PT
thaDood

Mountain climber
PortaLedga OnzaKaleefa
Jul 22, 2011 - 09:43pm PT
The guy is a really sick, wicked, cold hearted, sadistic & calculating s.o.b. whatever motivated him! He evidently rounded up all these youths and then slaughtered them. Some dove into the water in an attempt to escape. They fear some may have drowned. Darkness descended on Oslo today. I was listening to Rammsteins song Dalai Lama last night, and musing on what an eerie myth to have as part of your culture(distant nordic culture). Just a coincidence I guess...

edit: The song is an adaption of Goeths late 18th century poem Erlkonig(an elf/dark spirit that comes & takes away their children)and subsequently set to music by Schubert. BTW, the song/lyrics has nothing to do with the DL or Budhism and the titile Dalai Lama is only obliquely related.
Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Jul 22, 2011 - 09:58pm PT
From reports I've read, this man was wearing a police uniform and rallied a group of children...then executing them.

Holy sh#t....
Anastasia

climber
hanging from an ice pick and missing my mama.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2011 - 10:01pm PT
Sociopaths always feel justified, better than the rest of "the sheep" and... They don't feel remorse. I bet this guy feels heroic. He won't be taking his own life because he feels wonderful about the results.

His IQ must be very high in order to pull this off and... He is good looking which I bet he has used throughout his life for getting his way. This also has helped his ego and confidence expand into his belief that he is a super human. He must be a master manipulator. I bet he even put his picture up just so we can all get to look at him after this event. He's stroking his ego...

Crazy mofo...

I bet he even has a plan on how to fight the courts... Claim insanity? Drugs? Etc...

I really want to shoot him.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 23, 2011 - 12:45am PT
Aftenposten now reports 80 or more murdered at the Labour Party youth camp on Ut°ya, west of Oslo. Many more injured, some seriously. Semi-automatic or automatic weapons were used, and an unexploded bomb there is being deactivated. Seven or more are dead in the bombing in downtown Oslo, as they continue to search the wreckage. As mentioned upthread, they've arrested a 32 year old man ("ethnic Norwegian") and are questioning him, and searching his apartment. I believe he was arrested at or near Ut°ya, and may have set the bomb off first, then travelled to the island. Unidentified sources in the police say he has links to right-wing extremists, which in context of Norwegian policing means they're putting together the details and looking for accomplices. Not speculation, in other words. Downtown Oslo, and Ut°ya, have largely been sealed off to the public, in part by the military.

For background:
 Norway has fewer than five million people. 90 or so deaths is proportionately about three times as many as those who died in the USA on 11/9/01.
 The Labour Party has been the government in Norway for most of the time since World War II, often in coalitions. Despite the name, it is now slightly to the left of centre, in other words a liberal democratic party with a labour thread.
 Norway abolished capital punishment after the executions of Quisling and other collaborators in 1946 - even if the attacker(s) wasn't criminally insane.
 Norway has large armed forces. All young men must serve a year, and young women may if they wish. It is normal for the armed forces to take on a civil defence role.
 Ownership of rifles and shotguns is common in Norway, for hunting. Hand guns are heavily restricted, and semi-automatic and automatic weapons essentially banned to the public.

It's now Saturday morning in Norway, and the news there is of nothing else. I'm sure my cousins and friends there, even if not directly affected, have enough to worry about without my pestering them. It seems likely that King Harald, and possibly Prime Minister Stoltenberg, will address the country today.

Fattrad, skipt: Please apologize for your ignorant comments upthread, and remove them. If you have any decency, apologize for them. Your ideological ranting has no place here - even if the attack had been by Islamic terrorists. As Mark Twain put it, better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool by some, than to open your mouth, and prove that you're a fool to everyone.
QITNL

climber
Jul 23, 2011 - 01:05am PT
Thanks for that reply and the additional information, Mighty Hiker. Regarding the proportional loss to the country, I had a feeling that was the case.

What Fattrad wrote has been bothering me all day. That probably makes him happy. It's my fault for letting myself be bothered - but sometimes I'd rather be bothered than not.

On the other hand, I feel odd about anyone who encourages, inflames or even tolerates this rhetoric here, those who a blind eye, oh that's just Jeff. I might be the new guy here - but someone checking in for the first time on the Internet, they're gonna think - hey, this place is kinda fukked up. They don't know our politards are not climbers; nonetheless, by association, I am embarrassed. I am complicit.

I was climbing with a real cool dude up in Tuolumne last weekend. I'm sure some of you guys know him. He knows this place. But he says he never comes here, too much ugliness, too much hate. I told him I get some good info here and I make a conscious effort to contribute, but I can't argue with that.

This thread - of all threads - should never have become a political thread. A summer camp got shot up. What are the odds a couple of climbers may be among the victims? Or kids who barely got a chance?

What will we as fellow climbers do to respond to this tragedy? Probably shoot off our mouths and little else.

Okay, I'll go back into the woods now, thanks.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jul 23, 2011 - 01:27am PT
Don't let the ignorance bother you folks.
Fatrad and skip know even less about Norway than they do about their their own country. I know we all thought that impossible.

Unreal massacre!
wtf man...
Wtf...

There is a serious right wing nut F*#k problem in Norway..
And they make douch f*#ks like Ted Nugget look like Boy George.
Why doesn't anybody ever massacre as#@&%es?
F*#king pussies have to kill kids..
QITNL

climber
Jul 23, 2011 - 03:10am PT
Well I'll tell ya, Riley Wyna, you are just throwing gas on the fire and that display of ignorance bothers me, too.
coz

Gym climber
not sure
Jul 23, 2011 - 04:13am PT
Well, said Tami.

Ironic?

I think not!

Maybe look up the meaning of the word. Being Ironic has absolutely nothing to do with Fatty's statement.

Fatty is showing his true colors as a racist and in this case a naive hater of Muslims.

His comments are nothing but sick in my book and I fail to see what's so cool about the guy.

Anyway hopefully the world can move away from people with minds like Fatty's and tolerance and peace, will one day prevail.









steveA

Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
Jul 23, 2011 - 04:46am PT
I hope the SOB dies a VERY slow death. Even if he gets life, somebody will probably get to him. This is so tragic. Poor kids.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jul 23, 2011 - 05:48am PT
Andersen said the suspect posted on websites with Christian fundamentalist tendencies.


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