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The Alpine

climber
Mar 14, 2014 - 11:26pm PT
2 weeks until the St Pete GP here. RIP local driver Dan Wheldon.







Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 14, 2014 - 11:46pm PT
Winemaker writes:

"Geez Chaz, those aren't even pictures of this years cars!!! "



That's because this year's cars all stink. Check Fonemental's excellent post to see what I mean.
landcruiserbob

Trad climber
PUAKO, BIG ISLAND Kohala Coast
Mar 15, 2014 - 02:14am PT
Missing Ayrton Senna... What a driver
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2014 - 01:54am PT
It's time!

This should be really interesting.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 16, 2014 - 04:30am PT
Rosberg, Ricciardo, Magnussen - it's gonna be an interesting season...

Edit: Ricciardo's out - disqualified for exceeding the maximum allowed fuel flow. Button new third.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Mar 18, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
Don't you think that there is a beautiful and simple symmetry in a Nascar race course that Formula 1 lacks?
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 18, 2014 - 01:28pm PT
If we are going to race go-karts I am all for that. Removing the design genius from the equation and making them work with the limited design options is, IMHO a huge step back for Auto Racing.

If good competitive racing is what you are after, check out Karts. At one of the races we went to in Tuscon last January, the Rotax Sr. main event had 36 karts, the first 24 were within .3 second. The tail ender was less than .7 seconds slower than pole.

F1- can play all the slow down games it wants, someday something better will come along.

EDIT FOR JIM: NASCAR is really fun to watch..... first a 450 mile parade, then a 48 mile sprint, then 3 of the best Green White Checker shoot outs money can buy.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Mar 18, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
Randomly found this, seems harsh-ish but do Formula 1 guys chatter at each other like this? Or do they all speak different languages and that's a no?
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 18, 2014 - 02:01pm PT
I dunno. Ask someone...
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 18, 2014 - 02:38pm PT
FM ...
This redesign with a view towards evolution of the technology.

The Rule Makers are not the type of folks who get innovative.... that is the job of people who are trying to build a better mouse trap.

Like Colin Chapman..... he wasn't picking the type of "wing" that the F1 would allow, he came up with a better idea.....

Im not saying that the new cars arn't cool, they are just going in the wrong direction, by ending inovation.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 18, 2014 - 02:48pm PT
Hakster,

English is the official language of F-1. All radio transmissions are supposed to be in English.
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Mar 18, 2014 - 03:36pm PT
New engines sound strange....kinda like 20 years ago. Was glad to see new faces on the podium, but looks like still a lot of bugs to work out of the cars and systems.Kinda wish they would loosen up on all the rules and restrictions and just let em blow hard and fast.
I like Donini's comment, could you imagine F-1 on an oval?? The Indy F-1 race was half way there, I would fall asleep when they would loop half the oval, at least they went anti-clock.
Peace
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 18, 2014 - 03:59pm PT
Ron.... going around in circles, is the hardest thing one can do in Auto Sports..... the reason?

anybody???

I just love it when folks put down circle racin, shows how much they understand about racing.

And the "Danica Thing".... no driver likes other driver who didn't "earn" their spot and gets lots of media attention. Its sort of like a "pro climber" who can get it done... on TR.

ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Mar 18, 2014 - 05:02pm PT
guyman, just my style, going in circles in anything is kinda boring to me. To each his own, I know NASCAR is hard going inches from another and holding your line, air taken away and put on, dealing with tires wearing on one side, etc., just prefer F-1...oh yeah it has it's boringness too!
Peace
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 18, 2014 - 06:24pm PT
Come on FM.... your just acting stupid.

It's because there are only two, three or four turns.... and you must get them right... the chassis set up must be spot on, if the tuners don't get it just right your dead slow and no matter how hard you drive your still slow. When I was working with Indy cars (cleaning up and helping to tear apart bent cars and running tires to and from the tire shop) the front "RIDE HEIGHT" shim was very important, so important that if you got it wrong by .10 inch, you could be 3mph slow, and that my friends makes you lapped traffic by the first pit stop.


Now on a road course, you have all sorts of turns and the set up is a compromise - a balance between left turns and right turns- and while not easy to get the best set up, you can live with it not being perfect. This is where a good driver can shine and show some skills.


This Left turn vs Road Race thing really will show how knowlegable a FAN is, that is why Jaun Montoyo, a EX F1 champ can be pretty happy to make the top 10 finnish in NASCAR.

guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 18, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
Ron... to me all racing is exciting.

But F1 is what puts me to sleep on a sunday am..... look, no passing at all anymore - except when they are mandated to stop and change to the other compound tires, what is up with that??? and how exciting is it to watch some of the best cars and drivers in the world racing around a track, with almost ZERO spectators????

don't get me wrong... when NASCAR stopped racing Fords, Chevy, Dodge I think a lot of the interest (for me) went away. And don't get me started about the concept of "getting your lap back" .... so bogus

this just in

climber
north fork
Mar 18, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
LOL, Montoya is not a former F1 Champ. Seriously your comparing NASCAR to F1? Have fun with that.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 18, 2014 - 06:40pm PT
Just in ... my bad, he didn't win a F1 champship. it was F3000.

Yes F1 and NASCAR are about even steven....but I think NASCAR drivers are better drivers, and its harder to win in NASCAR.

But Im not trying to change anyones mind, Its just the way I see it from about 50 years of following racing, and 35 years of getting dirty.
this just in

climber
north fork
Mar 18, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
That's why I said have fun with that, cause whichever side you stand on you won't be changing the other's view. I'm a F1 snob and can't watch NASCAR cause it bores me, but I do know it has a lot of talented drivers and setup is key. More talented drivers or more value to a good setup than F1 is debatable. To each his own, but for the record F1 is far greater!
this just in

climber
north fork
Mar 18, 2014 - 07:24pm PT
http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2004/6/1745.html
Jeff Gordon's views about the two.

http://m.crash.net/f1/news/62604/1/montoya-nascar-harder-than-boring-f1.html
Montoya's view.

Both are interesting reads.
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