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Chaz
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Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 10, 2011 - 04:12am PT
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F1's back.
F1's the only auto racing worth watching.
The cars are the quickest ( 0-100-0 in less than 5 seconds ).
The drivers date Super Models ( instead of marrying their cousin [ or sister ], like NASCAR drivers have )
But what I like most about it, is it's the most expensive form of racing known to man ( it costs $500,000 per lap to race F1 )
Ferrari looks good this year:
But not as good as Lotus:
Lotus is back! And looking good. Almost as good as Emmerson Fittipaldi, in '72:
What ever happened to these?:
Grand Prix of Malaysia is starting right now.
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ron gomez
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fallbrook,ca
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Apr 10, 2011 - 11:42am PT
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Ferrari is off pace again this year as is evident in qualifying. In F-1 if you qualify bad you race bad...last night was a bummer for Ferrari and Red Bull continues to dominate again this year.
Peace
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go-B
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Sozo
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Apr 10, 2011 - 02:39pm PT
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#4 elf, looks like a cross between a go-cart and a dragster!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 10, 2011 - 02:41pm PT
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Has Michael Schumacher totally lost his mojo or does Mercedes suck that badly that he can only qualify 11th?
ps
And having studied aerodynamics a little it is really hard for me to
believe that those little winglets in front of the front tires are
doing anything other than creating drag. I can see one winglet working
but the second smaller one seems like it would only create 'intersection
drag'. I know they have their own wind tunnel and all but it just
doesn't look right!
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D.Eubanks
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Apr 10, 2011 - 03:21pm PT
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If your not in a top team in F1 like Red Bull, Ferrari, or Mclaren your not going to win the championship.
Schumacher races for a new Mercedes GP Team which is only a little over a year old.
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D.Eubanks
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Apr 10, 2011 - 06:26pm PT
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When Aerodynamicist Adrian Newey left Mclaren in 06 and went to Red Bull Racing, You knew it was just a matter of time.
With a driver like Sebastian Vettel, makes this the team to beat.
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Apr 10, 2011 - 09:16pm PT
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Sebastian Vettel is going for back to back. Last season was so tight, and I think this year it will be the same. F1 is badass.
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landcruiserbob
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BIG ISLAND or Vail ; just following the sun.......
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Apr 10, 2011 - 10:39pm PT
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F1 hasn't been the same since Ayrton Senna died. The dude could be in the slowest car but if it started raining he would always win. He owned Manaco...
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D.Eubanks
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Apr 10, 2011 - 11:09pm PT
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F1 hasn't been the same since Ayrton Senna died. I always thought Senna was the best. The Rain Master.
F1's the pinnacle of auto racing.
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Slakkey
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From Back to Big Wall Baby
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Apr 10, 2011 - 11:12pm PT
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I agree 100 % F 1 is where it is at in Auto Racing. There are a couple of interesting articles in of all things the Feb, March, April Seahorse International Sailing a magazine dedicated to High End Yacht racing and Design which is my background by Andrew MacFarlan who is head of Composite Design for Red Bull F 1 Racing. He initially started in yacht design and then migrated over to F 1. The articles give some good insight into the Red Bull Racing F 1 program for a Composite Design aspect.
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Elcapinyoazz
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Joshua Tree
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Apr 10, 2011 - 11:23pm PT
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This is the pinnacle of auto racing:
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D.Eubanks
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Apr 11, 2011 - 12:07am PT
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Senna - 162 GP's with 65 poles...Not to bad.'
Schumacher - 271 GP's with 68 poles.
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landcruiserbob
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BIG ISLAND or Vail ; just following the sun.......
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Apr 11, 2011 - 04:04pm PT
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F'n Italians took him out.
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TrundleBum
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Las Vegas
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Apr 11, 2011 - 08:35pm PT
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2 bad Cosmic is working/off line...
He'll spaz when he sees this thread (and prolly flood it with great pic's he has taken)
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jopay
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Apr 12, 2011 - 04:02pm PT
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Now you're talking, I've followed F-1 or Grand Prix as it was referred since high school in the 1960's. Stationed in Germany I saw my first race in person, Spa in Belgium,found the Service station that Lotus was using and hung a bit with the mechanics. The following morning Graham Hill arrived and I have a picture of him in front of the Lotus motor home. Jim Clark had been killed a short time earlier. I have some great pictures which I'll try to post. I haven't seen a race this year as yet, my only channel for F1 is Speed vision. The technology has changed immensely and the cars are much safer now. I peeked all over the Lotus and there was not much padding, just a lot of bare aluminum, and many have died, it wasn't unusual for one or two a year. Graham Hill came to Indy and won in the rear engine car and probably was the turning point for Indy style cars to go from front engine to rear style.
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D.Eubanks
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Apr 17, 2011 - 02:48am PT
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The Grand Prix of China 25 min.
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tradmanclimbs
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Pomfert VT
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Apr 17, 2011 - 04:27pm PT
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Moto GP is just so much more intense than any auto race. seems like auto racing is 80% car and 20% driver while Moto GP is 80% rider and 20% bike. the big reason that you get the big win streaks of the championship riders Rossie, Pederosa etc is that even with the bikes being so similer the rider makes the real difference.
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D.Eubanks
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Apr 17, 2011 - 05:41pm PT
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tradmanclimbs I always wanted to see Moto GP live, they do get it on.
I grew up in Irvine back in the day, we had Saddleback park and OCIR.
The TRANS AMS at Saddleback park and the Carlsbad GP moto X races were fun times with gooood racing.
Formula 1 racing does'nt have the competitveness as other forms racing because its always the top three teams racing each other race after race. To me it's everything that surrounds Formula 1 like the research and technology that goes into a F1 car, the gorgeous grid girls from all over the world and even the money that floats around an F1 circuit that brings me back for more.
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tradmanclimbs
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Pomfert VT
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Apr 17, 2011 - 07:03pm PT
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I got to see the 500cc two strokes GP @ louden back in the early eightys. pretty cool stuff... Don't get me wrong, F1 is pretty cool it is just that Moto GP is 100 times cooler INMOP
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Jingy
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Somewhere out there
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Apr 17, 2011 - 09:16pm PT
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I'm still waiting for this to be reality
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Chaz
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greater Boss Angeles area
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Topic Author's Reply - May 29, 2011 - 01:48am PT
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If you only watch one F1 race this year, you want to watch this week's race; Monaco.
It's everything that is good about Formula 1. It's historic, tight, chaotic, and damned expensive to be anywhere near.
The folks who plan ahead tie their boats up to the track, and watch the race from the fantail:
Race starts Sunday morning at 5:00 ( Yosemite Valley Time ).
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D.Eubanks
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May 29, 2011 - 08:50am PT
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Thanks for the Monaco photos Chaz...sweet.
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The Glowering Sailor
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Feb 27, 2014 - 08:12pm PT
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Can-Am was pretty amazing.
I often wonder what F1 would be like today--with today's technology--if the rules were more like Can-Am...that is, fairly unlimited.
So while F1 may be the pinnacle of motorsports right now, it's a far cry from what it could be.
It'll be interesting to watch this year. I just hope Bernie drops the stupid double points idea.
Second best current racing is endurance sports car racing, but not that Grand Am prototype crap.
LMP1!
I'm keen to see what Porsche will do this year.
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ron gomez
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fallbrook,ca
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Feb 27, 2014 - 08:37pm PT
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Looking forward to the new changes in F-1, lower noses look cool, new engines size should be interesting and Ferrari is looking good in early tests. Can't wait for the upcoming season.
Peace
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Mar 14, 2014 - 11:31am PT
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Well they have definitely changed things up this year. I really don't like the new sound of the cars. Four seconds slower than last year in P1, but the top speed is higher. Reliability will be a major talking point for the first few races and this first race should be a guessing game. Mercedes do look good, but Hamilton didn't get a lap in P1, then topped P2. I do like seeing Vettel struggle with his car and it will test his true driving skills. Advantage to Mercedes, good to see Button and McLaren putting up competitive times.Alonso looks good and I think has the best chance to win the championship, because he is said to be the best driver skill wise and I think this year with all the torque and lack of downforce he will prove that true. Then again who can say Vettel and Newey won't figure it out and win again.
I'm excited and really don't know what is going to happen.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 14, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
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Mark my words - in three years they'll be down to go-kart engines and
Goodyear tires. But at least this year will be interesting.
Why F1 isn't NASCAR..........
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The Glowering Sailor
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Mar 14, 2014 - 12:51pm PT
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It is going to be interesting indeed.
The Williams cars in Martini livery look gorgeous, and with their pre-season pace, I'm hoping to see a resurgence for the team. Icing on that cake would be to see Massa step up and start winning again, especially at the expense of Ferrari, and even more so at the expense of Raikkonen.
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Magic Ed
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Mar 14, 2014 - 04:10pm PT
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Spring, 1968, I'm one miserable son-of-a-bitch hitchhiking back to Boulder from Spring break in Mexico, freezing my ass off in a light jacket with badly sunburned eyes, seventeen rides just to get through New Mexico, when I duck into a gas station in Raton and see the headlines in the paper that Jim Clarke was killed in a crash. The King was dead and my life would never be the same.
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Marlow
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OSLO
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Mar 14, 2014 - 05:04pm PT
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It's gonna be an interesting season.
The Ferrari drivers are not overwhelmed by their car at present.
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The Glowering Sailor
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Mar 14, 2014 - 05:38pm PT
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I know Kimi's caterer...(of all things!)
He seems to think he's quite a twaht.
After his season at Lotus....I'd have to agree.
That's my sense as well. I've never liked him. I was irked by his championship.
I will admit though that the "leave me alone I know what I'm doing" transmission was kind of endearing.
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Marlow
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Mar 14, 2014 - 05:43pm PT
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To prove my ignorance concerning this important subject, I have to admit: I don't know Kimi's caterer...
By the way: What do he eat, Kimi's caterer?
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pud
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Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Mar 14, 2014 - 08:03pm PT
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Too many wheels.
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Winemaker
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Mar 14, 2014 - 09:15pm PT
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Geez Chaz, those aren't even pictures of this years cars!!!
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The Alpine
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Mar 14, 2014 - 11:26pm PT
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2 weeks until the St Pete GP here. RIP local driver Dan Wheldon.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 14, 2014 - 11:46pm PT
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Winemaker writes:
"Geez Chaz, those aren't even pictures of this years cars!!! "
That's because this year's cars all stink. Check Fonemental's excellent post to see what I mean.
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landcruiserbob
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PUAKO, BIG ISLAND Kohala Coast
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Mar 15, 2014 - 02:14am PT
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Missing Ayrton Senna... What a driver
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 16, 2014 - 01:54am PT
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It's time!
This should be really interesting.
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Marlow
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OSLO
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Mar 16, 2014 - 04:30am PT
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Rosberg, Ricciardo, Magnussen - it's gonna be an interesting season...
Edit: Ricciardo's out - disqualified for exceeding the maximum allowed fuel flow. Button new third.
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donini
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Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 18, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
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Don't you think that there is a beautiful and simple symmetry in a Nascar race course that Formula 1 lacks?
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guyman
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Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 18, 2014 - 01:28pm PT
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If we are going to race go-karts I am all for that. Removing the design genius from the equation and making them work with the limited design options is, IMHO a huge step back for Auto Racing.
If good competitive racing is what you are after, check out Karts. At one of the races we went to in Tuscon last January, the Rotax Sr. main event had 36 karts, the first 24 were within .3 second. The tail ender was less than .7 seconds slower than pole.
F1- can play all the slow down games it wants, someday something better will come along.
EDIT FOR JIM: NASCAR is really fun to watch..... first a 450 mile parade, then a 48 mile sprint, then 3 of the best Green White Checker shoot outs money can buy.
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Marlow
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Mar 18, 2014 - 02:01pm PT
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I dunno. Ask someone...
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guyman
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Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 18, 2014 - 02:38pm PT
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FM ... This redesign with a view towards evolution of the technology.
The Rule Makers are not the type of folks who get innovative.... that is the job of people who are trying to build a better mouse trap.
Like Colin Chapman..... he wasn't picking the type of "wing" that the F1 would allow, he came up with a better idea.....
Im not saying that the new cars arn't cool, they are just going in the wrong direction, by ending inovation.
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Chaz
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greater Boss Angeles area
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 18, 2014 - 02:48pm PT
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Hakster,
English is the official language of F-1. All radio transmissions are supposed to be in English.
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ron gomez
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fallbrook,ca
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Mar 18, 2014 - 03:36pm PT
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New engines sound strange....kinda like 20 years ago. Was glad to see new faces on the podium, but looks like still a lot of bugs to work out of the cars and systems.Kinda wish they would loosen up on all the rules and restrictions and just let em blow hard and fast.
I like Donini's comment, could you imagine F-1 on an oval?? The Indy F-1 race was half way there, I would fall asleep when they would loop half the oval, at least they went anti-clock.
Peace
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guyman
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Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 18, 2014 - 03:59pm PT
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Ron.... going around in circles, is the hardest thing one can do in Auto Sports..... the reason?
anybody???
I just love it when folks put down circle racin, shows how much they understand about racing.
And the "Danica Thing".... no driver likes other driver who didn't "earn" their spot and gets lots of media attention. Its sort of like a "pro climber" who can get it done... on TR.
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ron gomez
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Mar 18, 2014 - 05:02pm PT
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guyman, just my style, going in circles in anything is kinda boring to me. To each his own, I know NASCAR is hard going inches from another and holding your line, air taken away and put on, dealing with tires wearing on one side, etc., just prefer F-1...oh yeah it has it's boringness too!
Peace
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guyman
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Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 18, 2014 - 06:24pm PT
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Come on FM.... your just acting stupid.
It's because there are only two, three or four turns.... and you must get them right... the chassis set up must be spot on, if the tuners don't get it just right your dead slow and no matter how hard you drive your still slow. When I was working with Indy cars (cleaning up and helping to tear apart bent cars and running tires to and from the tire shop) the front "RIDE HEIGHT" shim was very important, so important that if you got it wrong by .10 inch, you could be 3mph slow, and that my friends makes you lapped traffic by the first pit stop.
Now on a road course, you have all sorts of turns and the set up is a compromise - a balance between left turns and right turns- and while not easy to get the best set up, you can live with it not being perfect. This is where a good driver can shine and show some skills.
This Left turn vs Road Race thing really will show how knowlegable a FAN is, that is why Jaun Montoyo, a EX F1 champ can be pretty happy to make the top 10 finnish in NASCAR.
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guyman
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Mar 18, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
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Ron... to me all racing is exciting.
But F1 is what puts me to sleep on a sunday am..... look, no passing at all anymore - except when they are mandated to stop and change to the other compound tires, what is up with that??? and how exciting is it to watch some of the best cars and drivers in the world racing around a track, with almost ZERO spectators????
don't get me wrong... when NASCAR stopped racing Fords, Chevy, Dodge I think a lot of the interest (for me) went away. And don't get me started about the concept of "getting your lap back" .... so bogus
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Mar 18, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
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LOL, Montoya is not a former F1 Champ. Seriously your comparing NASCAR to F1? Have fun with that.
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guyman
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Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 18, 2014 - 06:40pm PT
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Just in ... my bad, he didn't win a F1 champship. it was F3000.
Yes F1 and NASCAR are about even steven....but I think NASCAR drivers are better drivers, and its harder to win in NASCAR.
But Im not trying to change anyones mind, Its just the way I see it from about 50 years of following racing, and 35 years of getting dirty.
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Mar 18, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
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That's why I said have fun with that, cause whichever side you stand on you won't be changing the other's view. I'm a F1 snob and can't watch NASCAR cause it bores me, but I do know it has a lot of talented drivers and setup is key. More talented drivers or more value to a good setup than F1 is debatable. To each his own, but for the record F1 is far greater!
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Reilly
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Mar 18, 2014 - 08:10pm PT
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There's just something about a car that can do 0-180 in 8 or 9 seconds and
go around a hairpin at 60-70. But I agree, Guy, the lack of passing has
really diminished F1. Of course, certain tracks never had much, like Monaco,
but now none of them do.
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guyman
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Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 18, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
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Rilley yes F1 cars are awsome.... but a NASCAR getting ready to do a rolling start at 80 mph.... will spin the tires if you give it to much and not get going if your just a hair off. The traction controller is between the ears.
Just in... those are both good links. THX
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guido
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Mar 21, 2014 - 03:36pm PT
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overwatch
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Mar 21, 2014 - 03:54pm PT
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Watching all forms of motorsport road racing benefit greatly from on board cameras which are under used in my opinion
Edit: surfing comps also
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guyman
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Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 21, 2014 - 03:57pm PT
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I think NASCAR stopped using Lead fuel in 1998 or so .....
And started using Fuel Injection like last year...
F1 usta have passing, and all the other things that make watching a race interesting. Things like Fuel and Tire compound strategies, with the new rule about using "All of the Compounds"... I find it sort of sad that one is required to use the good tires the bad tires and the ugly tires....
but you can use them in what ever order you wish.
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Reilly
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The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 25, 2014 - 12:13am PT
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That's all well and good but I still don't get the DQ BS last weekend. Only some gawdawful bureaucracy would dream up the fuel flow BS rather than just saying:
"You get 100 kg of fuel, period. Use it as you see fit."
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Marlow
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At present: Looks like a 1. Mercedes, 2. Mercedes...
Lap 39: Mercedes in trouble (losing two seconds per lap)
Lap 57: Williams doing very well now (Bottas and Massa). Bottas tyres are starting to give him a hard time.
Rosberg counts as Nordic. His father Keijo Erik «Keke» Rosberg is Finnish. He won five F1 Grand Prixs. The last was the 1985 Australian Grand Prix.
Lap 69/70: Massa and Perez flying into the barriers. Safety car out.
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Marlow
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Congrats to Ricciardo with his maiden win! Well done by Rosberg and Vettel.
The championship leader Rosberg strengthened his position.
There's five Nordic F1 drivers at present - Rosberg (FIN), Bottas (FIN), Raikkonen (FIN), Magnussen (DEN) and Ericsson (SWE).
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Marlow
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Fort.
Yes, he's half Finnish...
Edited:
Jingy
The electronics of F1 are for the mechanically enlightened people, but the entertainment value of F1 is no more for the enlightened people than the entertainment value of football. You're right about that... And if the perspective is the environment... well...
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Jingy
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Formula 1....
Far greater entertainment value for the enlightened peoples of the globe indeed.
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guyman
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Moorpark, CA.
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Tar..... thanks for posting the link.
Wild finish for sure.
Time to go figure out what went south in the Mercedes...
Good to see Ricciardo win his first GP
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Interesting that Red Bull seems to be figuring out how to go fast but
Ferrari hasn't. The new rules are stoopid. Soon there won't be any
difference between F1 and F3000.
Saw a really good documentary on NBCSN last night on the history of F1 safety.
All the biggies were interviewed including Lauda. Quite amazing was that
he was back in his cockpit 5 days after his wreck.I say he had big balls
and integrity to pull out of the 78 Japan GP in such atrocious conditions.
A lot of the interviewees gave a large amount of credit to Ecclestone for
a lot of the safety improvements. Hamilton said he really doesn't worry
about dying or being maimed especially after seeing Kubicka walk away from
his horrific crash.
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Best race so far. I'd much rather see Rosberg win over Hamilton, but it's gunna be tight. Rosberg has yet to have his bad luck. Crazy to see both Silver arrows have the same problem on the same lap. Really cool to see Riccardo win and to see Vettel so excited for him.
That was a weird crash at the end, I thought massa just blew it, but the stewards gave Perez a 5 grid penalty for changing his racing line. It also looked like Vettel saw it in his mirror and barely avoided it.
1 is the best documentary, even slightly better than Senna. Love all the old footage and respect how dangerous the sport was and how it's relatively safe today. That Massa/Perez would have been two deaths twenty years ago.
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G_Gnome
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Called GP2 now and it is raced as the pre-event for F1. Most new F1 drivers come from GP2.
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Tarbuster
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That's a pretty good special on the evolution of safety in F1 Reilly. Of note is the nearly singular voice of dissent in Jackie Ickx. I guess he likes it rough! (I suppose he's the last romantic; in some small way I have to say I feel his pain, but only as it parallels similar changes in the evolution of rockclimbing, … ha ha, not baiting a different conversation with this sentiment … don't go there!)
In this F1 safety documentary the theme of advances in safety is all laid out very plainly and covered in detail. During the late 60s and early 70s (now sometimes referred to as the Golden Age of Motor Racing) the cars just got too fast for their tires, suspensions and aerodynamics. Plus, going fast was the focus, all the money and engineering went into horsepower, torque, cornering and downforce: not into crashing! Jim Clark, Jochen Rindt, Bruce McLaren, Peter Revson, et al. RIP: it's a grim list. It's interesting however that as they correctly herald Jackie Stewart as a leading proponent among the drivers for changes in safety, aside from Ickx, they left out (understandably so in order to avoid clouding the issue) that at times, initially it could get wobbly and Stewart wasn't universally popular for his efforts.
A notable example of this initial opposition which I specifically recall is that the Armco barriers which he lobbied for were sometimes responsible for some nasty outcomes when cars hit them. Obviously when confronted with the choice between smacking an Armco barrier or alternatively launching into the trees beyond, the call is not that difficult. But it took them a while to tweak the application of these remedies. It's brought to light in that television special that sophisticated crash testing of vehicles, along with the will and the requisite materials technology necessary for significant advances in crash design truly demarcates the beginning of the modern era. And it took 20 years between Stewart and Senna for that finally to turn to great effect.
It's incredible how much munching those cars take now! ‘Too bad about the finish in Montréal. I like it better when they keep all four tires facing downward! That was a nasty crash right at the end and although it's a godsend guys don't die from that stuff anymore, I really wanted to see the battle for the top five play out right to the bitter end. Finishing under safety car definitely saps the excitement, not that there was much choice in the matter. Nevertheless and overall: spectacular racing this weekend for F1.
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'Glad you enjoyed the 1955 Belgian GP film Guy! I think it's priceless.
Here's another good one: The Racing Years 1970
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljK4dMD5zY4
Not specifically F1 but it covers the whole 1970 F1 season in detail along with group 5/endurance racing stuff. This all used to be bloodsport!
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Tarbuster
I was 7 or 8 years old at the time when Jackie Ickx was at his best in F1. I used to make cartoons of F1 - free fantasy Grand Prixs with free fantasy winners. I decided who should win. Jackie Ickx was the favourite and he usually won, but not always. I was a bit disappointed every time he didn't win... Lol...
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Nice Marlow!
When I was 10 years old I attended the first event in the United States to host Formula One cars: the Questor Grand Prix at Ontario Raceway, California, 1970 ... (also went to the first official Formula One race at Long Beach, 1975ish as I recall). In 1972 at Riverside Raceway in California with a 110 camera I took a portrait of James Hunt sitting on a Honda 70 pit bike (no longer have it, rats). He had a great smile and was really genuine. My old man used to race our family car: a Porsche Speedster. Mom didn't know!
While pops was a turn worker out at the track I attended many races (totally solo, peddling from turn to turn on my Schwinn stingray). I wallpapered my bedroom with large-scale posters of Grand Prix racers living large. Dad once bought me a 1.5 foot long scale model of Jackie Stewart's 1971 Tyrell. The thing was immaculate with real rubber tires, fully functioning steering and driveline actuated by a windup turnkey!
I saw David Hobbs race against the likes of Jackie Stewart and others in the Can Am in 1971 and 72, so it's really fun for me to watch Hobbs doing commentary in modern Formula One.
A lot of courageous guys died doing this back then; some of them burning to death. Just off the top of my head: Jim Clark, Jochen Rindt, Bruce McLaren, Peter Revson, Pedro Rodrigues, Ronnie Peterson, Ken Miles, Françoise Cevert, Joe Bonnier, Piers Courage … All way before Senna.
What these courageous drivers were all doing, how they approached their lives: it's a major influence for me and essentially, (Stonemaster influence notwithstanding), this is the germinal reason I became a fully committed climber and hopeless romantic.
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Great story Tarbuster. Thanks for sharing...
We couldn't afford the cheapest VW back then, so a TV, imagination, a pen and paper was all I had... still it had a great influence... life's a wonder...
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Great posts Tarbuster and Marlow. Would be so cool if that photo turned up Tarbuster. I highly recommend Circuit of the Americas in Austin. Far drive for you though, Marlow.
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Long Beach Grand Prix inaugural race, the first sanctioned F1 event in the US, 1975:
(Photos taken with the Kodak 110 camera. Tiny little negative)
James Hunt in his McLaren, #11:
You can ID Hunt by his car number and the black helmet and just make out the idiosyncratic deerskin colored shroud around his neck.
Fangio in his vintage Mercedes and leather helmet, looking good for the inaugural procession:
A vintage Cooper:
Bugatti:
Photo below from when men were men and race cars had big fat wings connected directly to the suspension of the drive wheels (which could tear off causing mayhem and havoc):
(Riverside Raceway California, 1969 or early 70s … Probably Formula A and an IndyCar, likely not F1)
I watched a lot of guys dicing for position in the esses right at this spot. Talk about safety. The course was lined with ice plant at this point. Note the green areas to the left of the cars. If cars spun onto this slick succulent it would actually accelerate them up the hill into the wall!
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Speaking of the bad old days, Jack Brabham was the only driver to win an F1 championship in a car his own company built (and he largely designed). 1966.
And Jimmy Clark who put Lotus on the F1 map. 2 F1 championships, 25 wins. Won Indy in 1965
And Colin Chapman who revolutionized F1 engine and chassis engineering. Started Lotus cars.
Chapman struts, fiberglass body, monocoque construction, V8 F1 engines (with Ford and Cosworth)
Brought the concepts of the wing and ground effect to Formula racing.
At $500K per lap for machines that have so little relationship to useful purposes it seems like a hellluva lot of money that could do better things.
At least LeMans 24 hour racing can claim to "improve the breed"
Jaguar, aerodynamic design engineering, disk breaks for starters
high endurance with high power (dry sump lubrication for one)
track and vehicle safety engineering after the 1955 driver/spectator tragedy
high performance diesel engines (1949)
and high performance hybrid drives (electric and mechanical) since 2009.
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At $500K per lap for machines that have so little relationship to useful purposes it seems like a hellluva lot of money that could do better things.
Statements like this get me thinking.
So I ask, Like what for instance?
Joke: How can one make a small fortune????
A: start with a large one and go motor racing.
Roy, OK I'll go dig up the F1 shots I have. I went to all of the LBGP and some in Europe.
Loved the Esses at Riverside, had a 19 year old Mario, crash his stock car before turn 6....He climbed the wall, right where we were at. Wanted some H2O, we had a jug with ICE. I remember we were the same height, even though I was like 11.
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Good call High Traverse.
A lot of these guys were not just athletes but also engineers. They were often very sophisticated men and were frequently well spoken individuals.
The conjoining of driver/constructor skills in a single personage is indeed a highly laudable accomplishment.
In that regard one of my favorites has to be Bruce McLaren.
My understanding is that he built his empire essentially from his own race winnings.
Mark Donohue is another that comes to mind who contributed lots of engineering wisdom to the task of preparing his cars.
(Porsche 917/30 comes to mind)
Not F1 specific but also Jim Hall and Chaparral: he designed, built and raced his own cars.
And Henri Pescarolo is still at it, once a prodigious F1 driver (64 F1 GP's, beginning in 1968) and still building Le Mans prototype cars today!
*Guy: Andretti in your lap at turn six ... good one! Yes turn six at Riverside was a fantastic spectating position!
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Okay gearheads, if you haven't this is a must read about Phil Hill and the 1961 F1/GP season:
A concise and very well written account getting right into the headspace of the much esteemed Phil Hill.
This guy had a phenomenal talent for embracing the limits of man and machine.
From Amazon:
In THE LIMIT, Michael Cannell tells the enthralling story of Phil Hill-a lowly California mechanic who would become the first American-born driver to win the Grand Prix-and, on the fiftieth anniversary of his triumph, brings to life a vanished world of glamour, valor, and daring.
With the pacing and vivid description of a novel, THE LIMIT charts the journey that brought Hill from dusty California lots racing midget cars into the ranks of a singular breed of men, competing with daredevils for glory on Grand Prix tracks across Europe. Facing death at every turn, these men rounded circuits at well over 150 mph in an era before seat belts or roll bars-an era when drivers were "crushed, burned, and beheaded with unnerving regularity."
From the stink of grease-smothered pits to the long anxious nights in lonely European hotels, from the tense camaraderie of teammates to the trembling suspense of photo finishes, THE LIMIT captures the 1961 season that would mark the high point of Hill's career. It brings readers up close to the remarkable men who surrounded Hill on the circuit-men like Hill's teammate and rival, the soigné and cool-headed German count Wolfgang Von Trips (nicknamed "Count Von Crash"), and Enzo Ferrari, the reclusive and monomaniacal padrone of the Ferrari racing empire.
Race by race, THE LIMIT carries readers to its riveting and startling climax-the final contest that would decide it all, one of the deadliest in Grand Prix history.
Personally, not really glorifying the whole deadly shtick. It's just the way it was and the whole thing is rather remarkable. This book really underscores just how well Phil Hill was at reading the machine, tuning it, not breaking it ... winning and surviving ... in that order.
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Like what for instance?
So you got me thinking.
OK, I got the $500K figure from the first post on this thread.
Here's some Wikipedia data for 2006
The total spending of all eleven teams in 2006 was estimated at $2.9 billion US. And that was 2006
Developing a new pharmaceutical product and bringing it to market is in the range of $5-10 billion.
2-3 GP seasons.
The San Francisco Bay Bridge East Span retrofit, an 11 year construction project: $6.4 billion. A bit more than 2 GP seasons.
An Arleigh Burke class Destroyer $1.8 million. 10 destroyers with enough change left over to train their crews.
2 1/2 years of F1 = 1 year of L.A. County law enforcement for 2014-2015: $7 billion.
FBI 2015 proposed budget: about 2 1/2 F1 years: $8.3 billion.
But hey, F1 is private money and they can do what they wish. It is great fun to watch!
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What was the figure we heard this weekend for one of the teams/constructors who earned their very first points in F1? (Same team wherein one of them took out his teammate at the beginning of the race I believe) .... The commentators said those first points were worth something like $30 or $40 million to the team.
It's always been outrageous. In F1 you can follow the money with most decisions. Then we could get into the whole Bernie Ecclestone thing; I will decline. I'm here for the inspiration which is incalculable.
They realized they had to be leaders so committed to the beginnings of hybridization with regenerative braking and so forth ... Yes, transparently a business decision of course (likely a necessary step for the survival of the breed) but in the big picture it's probably a good thing all around.
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Phil Hill, Bruce McClaren and Dan Gurney whose best F1 finish was 4th could drive just about anything.
Jack Brabham, Nikki Lauda, Nelson Piquet, Ayrton Senna, Jackie Stewart (another Flying Scot) had 3 world championships.
Alain Prost, Sebastian Vettel: 4
Fangio.....5!
Schumacher....7!!
Listed by driver
UK has had 14 championships, latest in 2009
Germany 11, last in 2013
US 2, last in 1978
constructons championships
UK: 10 different constructors, 33 championships
Italy: 1 constructor (guess who) and 11 championships
Top three engine makers
Ferrari: 16 championships
Renault: 12
Ford: 10
enough boring trivia
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Eccelstone.....this is getting interesting.
Hybrid technology: I think that was a political move. However, I believe it will lead to better technology. Flywheel energy storage for instance will be extremely expensive to develop but will give conventional batteries a run for the money when fully debugged for private vehicles. On paper, at the present time, it could be significantly more economical (batteries are still too expensive)
Flywheel storage has been around a long time, there was a prototype London bus in the '60s. Simple but not practical without modern electric motors and control systems.
The way a Prius transmits power could easily be replaced by flywheel storage.
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Hybrid technology: I think that was a political move.
Yes, a political move. That's what I meant by: likely a necessary step for the survival of the breed.
But then, this is a climber's forum and that topic has a way of …inciting stampede around here. Ha ha. Hack, cough. Runaway! hahahaha
Looking forward to seeing Guy's archival photos of F1 from Long Beach and Europe!
Yeah baby! Formula One appreciation!!!
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Had the holy grail.... Couple years back Kelly and I went to Italy, long story short, only place I WANTED to go was Maranello, visit Ferrari. Connection of ours got us in the front door, connection got us a factory floor tour....no photos allowed ANYWHERE on the factory property. Thought the killer tour was over, then we get on a small bus with our rep, we get dropped off at the Maranello track....the F1 facility! We get to go through the team setup garage, into the track garage and then into the warehouse where all the retired cars are housed, Schumacher, Barrichello, Berger, Lauda, etc, etc, ect. It was my day in heaven.
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For the longest time I have been fascinated with F1. I can remember back in the late '70's and early '80's comparing the Indy car with the F1 I clearly saw that they were getting it done better in Europe and elsewhere in Grand Prix Formula 1 racing, . Faster, the more intense battles were brewing across the ocean and I could see it.
As the years passed I would pay attention with less focus, but still keep an eye on what was happening in the F1 world along the lines of aero/engine/suspension improvements... because that sh#t is just interesting as all hell...
We all know the names in the sport; Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes, and Williams just to name the mains....
Funny that Audi is not on the list... They have a pretty solid racing team... Geared specifically toward the 24 hours of Le Mans (really the first test of engineering magic)...
Most fascinating
Just a couple vids to show a little thin'
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Not that it's F1.. But it's the technology [Click to View YouTube Video]
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Ron Gomez scores! ... AND takes the checkered flag!!!
Sweet group of pictures Ron.
Concerning this one :
"Roy The Boy Toy's" Italian pit girl
Okay, … admittedly the cigars may be a bit over the top.
… But she harbors a mean Salame sotto Grasso, the aroma of her Aceto Balsamico Tradizionale di Modena is to die for and she can really pop the cork on your Vino da Tavola!
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I sure am thankful for DVRs. I used to need to get up at 4am to watch F1 but now I can watch whenever I have the time. I rarely even miss a qualifying session now.
I don't really like the sound of the new engines, they sound too much like my WRX, but I like the way they drive. It's nice to see the drivers needing to put their skills to use to keep the beasts going in a straight line. And with the on-board cameras it is a really good view and you can actually see how hard the cars are to drive.
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Here's a collection of Grand Prix drivers from the late 60s and early 70s.
All ripped from the Internet. Apologies for lack of attribution: these are stunning portraits and very revealing.
Jim Clark, Monaco 1967
Piers Courage in a BRM, 1968
Jarno Saarinen and wife Soili Karme, 1972
(actually a GP bike racer and I love the candid emotion here)
Jackie Stewart and Graham Hill
Sally Courage and Bruce McLaren, Monza 1969
James Hunt, Monaco 1974
Jo Bonnier
Vic Elford, 1972
Françoise Hardy wearing Pete Aron's helmet: Aaron a fictional character from the movie Grand Prix, 1966
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Racing is cool.
I grew up in Indy. I've attended more than 20 500s, all the F1 races that they had in Indy, and every MotoGP race they've had.
The 500 is a shadow of it's 70s self.
I took this picture of racing legend and 1978 Formula One World Champion, Mario Andretti when I was in 7th grade at Indy. It was carb day and the paddock was open.
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front end of 2007 honda Accord whose front end spoiler was lifted almost directly from a Ferrari Enzo, which had been lifted from.... from cars that need control at 100+ mph speeds.
The front end spoiler is essentially non-functional for domestic cars. Do you see them on semi trailer tractors where appearance is less important than function and cost?
Didn't have one on my '63 XKE that was solid at 130mph. (got a little goosey above 130)
Sure, GP racing has made technological innovations. They would have been made anyway in sports car racing.
but HEY, F1 racing IS a blast. I'd love to see a race live.
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Loic Duval - Audi R18 E-Tron Quattro - Le Mans 2014 - Crashed
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There's still risk in motorsport...
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Aug 16, 2014 - 01:16pm PT
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Sir James Hunt.
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Aug 16, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
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Assuming Lewis doesn't have his car die too many more times I think he will take it all. He has certainly shown a huge amount of drive the last couple races coming from the back of the field to place well and lose very few points to Nico.
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Aug 16, 2014 - 04:09pm PT
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We will see.....
Pretty even steven deal so far.
Looks like a whole lot rides with reliability, as always.
The last two races, I thought were some of the best to watch, but driving on the wet- dry - wet-dry must really suck.
Good for the fans.
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Aug 22, 2014 - 07:15am PT
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Spa! Go Rosberg!
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Aug 22, 2014 - 07:37am PT
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Rosberg? I thought Bolshies were sposed to root for the working class hero Lewis, like me?
And wazzup with Toro Loco hiring a 16 year old for next year?
I don't care how good he is, that's just crazy.
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Haha, yeah poor Lewis had such a rough childhood, I mean it musta been miserable hanging with his rich friend Nico. Then he had to race against him, god how miserable.
Lewis has the best radio tantrums and pissy interviews, though Seb has given him some competition this year. Still can't believe how Lewis won his championship, he better have bought Glock a few beers after that race. Lewis is one hell of a driver though.
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Aug 22, 2014 - 08:28am PT
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16 YO in F1.......
I am sure he has the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ..... in his hip pocket.
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I think I was hoping to see Hamilton get squirrelly after the contact. Was relieved when I saw the puncture. Eddie was right to back Rosberg, I can't believe Hamilton is such a fan favorite, to me he is the whiniest, little, bitch in the sport. And it takes one to know one, even if I'm not in the sport. Thanks a lot mom and dad.
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Aug 24, 2014 - 08:36pm PT
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I thought Rosberg admitted that he did it on purpose? I'd say Lewis showed
great restraint in not responding in kind.
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Hamilton's
I'm gutted with the result - not just for my own championship hopes but for the team, as we really should have had a one-two today," he said.
"I didn't fully understand what had happened until I saw the replay just now, but I gave him plenty of space, took the corner like I usually do and suddenly felt a big hit from behind. There was nothing I could do about it and that was effectively my race over.
"What happens next is not my call - that's one for the bosses to make. But I'm now almost 30 points behind in the championship so that's the main thing on my mind. It's a big gap and it will be hard to recover from here.
Ha, like Mercedes might not win the championship, so gutting.
Rosberg's
“[Going] inside was not possible so I tried around the outside. To ask ‘should I have waited?’ is very hypothetical because who knows what happens afterwards. The opportunity was there and for me it was not a risky situation.”
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Aug 25, 2014 - 08:44am PT
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If Mercedes had Vettel this season, they'd be undefeated.
Pretty strong statement....
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What a race? How impressive was Hamilton today? He pressured Rosberg into
those gaffs IMHO. I bet Ferrari are thinking they goofed in letting Massa go.
And Vettel's mojo must be totally gone, eh?
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Bad start, but great race by Hamilton... And cudos to Rosberg who has no problem admitting that the pressure made him lock up the brakes... Rosberg second and still leading by 22 points.
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And how do the stewards justify slamming Magnusson for the second race in a
row while that bonehead Gutierrez gets away with something far more egregious?
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Ferrari goofed by getting it wrong this year. i like Massa but Ferrari just is off power, off areo and off pace this year. Glad Felipe is running well.
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I tried to get up earlier this morning to watch the live stream of The Italian Grand Prix...
I watched...
I'm always amazed at the advancements they have made each year with the cars.
The race is great to watch though too.
This mornings race had me wondering where all that sound went to this year. Then I remembered that movie about the 24 hrs of Le Mans featuring the Audi team using the sound to propel the machine equaling more power to the ground...
Audi... Where not even sound is wasted!
But the race the morning was great showing off the vast talent of Hamilton on the Mercedes Team...
Fell asleep due to the late night and early rise with only the race to watch meant sleep came first after the race began...
Anyone know where to catch a replay of that?
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Versus and NBCSportsNetwork run replays all day and night.
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thanks reilly
Versus and NBCSportsNetwork run replays all day and night.
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Besides the top three spots, there was some good racing. Yeah Rosberg cracked, but still got good points. His average qualifying position is 1.8.
Riccardo is fun to watch and crazy seeing Vettel bested by his teammate again and again. Webber is loving it I bet. Wonder if Vettel will be in a new ride soon. Mercedes?
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Sep 20, 2014 - 12:24pm PT
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Next year's rule change: no more driver-pit radio communications during race! What?
Back to Old School?
excellent.
Meanwhile the electrics are having their own party this weekend in Beijing
http://www.fiaformulae.com
team standings:
Andretti
Audi
Virgin Racing
WHAT? no horde of 1.6 liter V6's screaming at 15000 rpm?
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Horrible crash at Suzuka. Jules Bianchi flew off the track and hit a crane vehicle that had been deployed only one round earlier to pick up Sutils car who had crashed at the same spot.
Latest news is he suffered severe head trauma, was operated and is breathing on his own, which would be amazing considering the situation.
After seeing the pictures earlier today I have to admit I was sure he was not gonna make it. First thing that came to my mind was Senna. The wreckage, the looks on the doctors faces, him beeing unconcious on the way to hospital, it all felt so similar.
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Just saw the video footage on YouTube that my brother sent me. Wow, I can't believe he is still alive, it would be a miracle if he makes it. Good thoughts his way.
I read earlier that he was not breathing unassisted, but who knows.
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Really sad after such an exciting few days. Took the shine off of Lewis'
brilliant schooling of Nico.
Does Ferrari suck or what? Can't blame Alonzo for bailing. Not too sure
why Vettel wants some of that other than for 'prestige'? Ferrari can't
pay him more than Red Bull, can they?
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Oct 12, 2014 - 07:46am PT
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F1: Hamilton won once again.
And a real working class hero, Marc Márquez, wrapped up the 2014 MotoGP championship. Badass...
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Oct 12, 2014 - 09:43am PT
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F1's back.
F1's the only auto racing worth watching.
 What you mean it's back?
I've been watching all season.
Singapore was great, Sochi (just this morning) was amazing from practice and per-qualifying through to the end of the race. Generally cannot remember too much from the races themselves seeing as I usually have to watch so early in the morning that after the race when I have fallen back to sleep I will wake up expecting to be treated to an F1 race only to finally remember I had already watched.
For entertainment purposes, F1 is one of the greatest motorsports for viewers of motorsport. As far as the technical goes F1 is off the charts.
But strangely enough, I get the same feeling from WRC Rally... but that's another thread topic...
Every time I see a redneck sporting their favorite drivers #'s on their shirts or tailgates... I get sad. Because it leads me to believe The world prefers to be ignorant.
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Oct 12, 2014 - 09:47am PT
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Now wait a sec, Jingy, I thought it had been proved that Nascar was started in Peru a long time ago?
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Oct 12, 2014 - 10:26am PT
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sure Reilly.... if Benz was stationed in Peru when he invented his machine... sure... it all happened in Peru...
LOL
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Oct 12, 2014 - 10:35am PT
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Then what are those Nascar lines down there?
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Nov 11, 2014 - 02:28pm PT
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So what have you closet F Oners been doin' these last few weeks? It's getting
insane! You gotta admit that even if you don't like Hamilton he's been
bringing it! The way he schooled Nico at Monza was sick! When he was
sitting second 7 seconds behind Rosberg yesterday with 20 laps left I said,
"Self, he's got him right where he wants him!" But, no, because there's an
unholy cabal at work in the Merc garage. How else can you explain that Nico's
car was so much quicker coming out of the turns yesterday? Lewis made up all
that time but he didn't have it on the straights. And why else did
they leave Lewis out there on crap tires? It's the Teufel I tell ya. No
matter, Abu Dhabi is curvier than Brasil so Lewis will prevail, unless the
cabal has its way.
And what kind of scumbag is Ron Dennis to be letting Button dangle in the
breeze? I know nice guys finish last but Jenson finished fifth yesterday
in that heap! I already told my dealer I'm gonna cancel my 650S order if
they let Jenson go.
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Yeah Lewis is a great driver and unless he has a failure, he is gunna be a Two Time Champion this year. However, Rosberg showed a lot to me as a driver at the Interlagos(One of my favorite tracks) and out drove Lewis all weekend. I thought Rosberg was better in the turns and Lewis could only stay with him in the DRS zone. He was losing him in Sector 2 I believe. Always a great race there, from Hamilton's robbery over Massa, Seb's crazy race in 12, and then there's that Senna fellow.
My brother and I were discussing the double points race, we are not big fans.
Go Nico! He's gunna need some luck.
Be a shame to see Button out of the sport. It should be Button and Alonso.
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Nov 11, 2014 - 02:43pm PT
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How can you say Nico was faster in the turns? Every time they put up the
sectors Lewis was faster in 3 out of 4 and he made up 7 seconds in less than
20 laps? Those last few laps he would be right on Nico's butt by the turn's
apex and then Nico would walk right away from him coming out of it.
THERE'S A CONSPIRACY I TELL YOU!
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He made up six seconds, because Nico was able to protect his tires. They said they believed Nico had more down force on his setup and Nico was consistent in getting a big enough gap to keep him at bay in the DRS zone. If Hamilton was better in sector two he would have been able to get him on the straight before turn 1.
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Nov 11, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
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Hamilton would have had him coming out of his second pit stop if he didn't spin the lap before. Once he failed at that it was always going to be hard to pass Nico.
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Nov 23, 2014 - 08:47am PT
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Lewis was better this year and a worthy champion. Unlucky for Nico, but without the car troubles, he still would have been second best. Really liked him insisting on finishing the race. I wasn't a Rosberg fan, but after this year I am.
Seeing Button do some donuts, all but reveals he is done with F1. Sucks, would like to see him with Honda power next year.
I am excited to see Vettel go to Ferrari, they have a lot of work to do.
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Nov 23, 2014 - 09:24am PT
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Congrats to Lewis Hamilton... a well deserved and lucky win... and a good fight by Nico who started from pole position... The car's electrical issue turned him down.
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Nov 23, 2014 - 11:03am PT
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I was trying to catch this mornings race while at the same time catching the EPL game that was playing at the time... all with a bunk (and always getting bunker) internet connection...
Great Race
Nobody got hurt... titles were determined... records broken.
thank you internet for providing this piece of my life
given the pre-race rundown and recap of the season I was hopeful for a tight race..
Too bad for Rosberg. But there is next year.
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Nov 23, 2014 - 01:46pm PT
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All hail a great champion! Pity it wasn't decided without the gremlins but
that fabulous start didn't hurt. So was Lewis' cryptic radio transmission
about rpm's on the warmup lap a red herring? We'll probably never know,
will we? I was happy to see Nico's seemingly honest congratulations.
Big kudos to Williams, eh? Pretty impressive effort by Ricciardo, too.
I really wonder about Vettel's decision to go to Maranello. Will Ferrari
keep Kimi? Vettel and Alonso would have been interesting, provided Ferrari
could have made some major improvements. Ron Dennis is still a wanker.
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Reilly
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Dec 12, 2014 - 08:34am PT
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Cool! Now I won't have to cancel my 650S order as I had threatened if they
sacked Jenson. I've always liked Alonso, too. Now Dennis has to give
them competitive cars, which seems somewhat unlikely. Interesting that
Magnussen got bitch-slapped but he rather deserved it. He seemed rather
reckless to me.
And I am unanimous in applauding F1's dropping of the ridiculous double
points idiocy.
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Feb 26, 2015 - 08:14am PT
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Testing summary so far from Formula 1.com.
Just over two weeks until Melbourne.
Lewis vs Nico round 2.
I actually might root for Ferrari now.
Go Bottas!
After the briefest of breaks, the teams and drivers return to action in Barcelona on Thursday for four final days of pre-season testing.
With preparations for the season opener in Australia reaching fever pitch, and crucial mileage still to be accumulated, we take a team-by-team look at the current state of play...
Mercedes
The world champions appear to be in fantastic shape heading into the final test, with the F1 W06 Hybrid barley missing a beat on its way to completing the most laps of any car in pre-season. Even more ominously for the opposition, the Silver Arrows have yet to unleash the full potential of their new car; Rosberg setting the second-fastest overall time on the final day of the last test on medium - and not supersoft - rubber. The big question is: will Mercedes show their hand this week or will they keep their powder dry for Melbourne?
Red Bull
After a slow start in Jerez where several power unit problems restricted them to a total of 735 km over four days, Red Bull had a much more positive outing in Barcelona, with improved reliability helping them complete more than double that distance (1,945 km). At the final test, the Milton Keynes team intend to focus more on performance, with the driveability of the Renault power unit a particular area Daniel Ricciardo is keen to focus on.
Williams
Much like Mercedes, there's a sense that Williams have yet to reveal the true speed of their new car, the FW37. Like the Silver Arrows they've shown near bullet-proof reliability and were able to dedicate a significant amount of time to pit stop practice at the last test - a clear sign of confidence. Both Valtteri Bottas and Felipe Massa have spoken positively about their new charge, and Barcelona could be the time they choose to lay down a marker for the new season.
Ferrari
After their headline-grabbing performances in Jerez - where they were fastest on three of the four days and set the two fastest overall times - Ferrari had a slightly more low-key test in Barcelona. The Scuderia did, however, manage to complete their entire programme without problem, and thus head into the final four days of pre-season in a positive frame of mind. Expect Sebastian Vettel and Kimi Raikkonen to do race simulation work, as this is an area that the Italian team have yet to dedicate significant time to.
McLaren
McLaren enter the final test with their backs against the wall - not only have they completed the fewest laps of any team, but they'll also be without star signing Fernando Alonso who is still recuperating from his accident on the final day of the previous session. Kevin Magnussen will fill in for the Spaniard alongside Jenson Button, though he's unlikely to get much running unless McLaren and power unit supplier Honda can get on top of a niggling MGU-K issue which has put them well behind in their test programme. Rarely has a test been so important for the team.
Force India
After missing the first test completely, and then contesting the second with their 2014 car, Force India will finally have the 2015-spec VJM08 for the final test at Barcelona. That said, build time delays mean they will miss the first day of running, meaning they will have a maximum of just three days to shakedown their new machine before the season opener in Australia. Will that be enough?
Toro Rosso
Having racked up more than 3,400 kms over the first eight days of testing, Toro Rosso have met their main priority of giving rookies Max Verstappen and Carlos Sainz Junior as much seat time as possible before Australia. Add to that a good turn of pace - particularly on day three in Barcelona, when Verstappen was second overall and quickest outright in sector three - and the mood is understandably positive. The aim now, according to team principal Franz Tost, is to "come back even stronger" for the final four days, when a raft of new aero upgrades will also be introduced.
Lotus
Eight days have been enough to suggest Lotus have risen from the depths of 2014, and that they can harbour far higher expectations for the forthcoming season. Improved reliability has given the team the biggest boost, while the fact Pastor Maldonado and Maldonado Grosjean went fastest on separate days provides evidence of the strong underlying pace of the E23 Hybrid. Promising signs then - or as Grosjean puts it, "it's always good to see your name at the top of the timing monitors, even if it is far too early to know what everyone else is doing."
Sauber
After springing a surprise at Jerez, Sauber's Barcelona programme was more fragmented due to a variety of mechanical issues. "We cannot forget we are in our pre-season tests," was the verdict of the Swiss team's head of track engineering Giampaolo Dall'Ara, "where it is good to discover and fix these kind of issues." Given the slight setbacks, a clean four days of running will be imperative as the team look to switch focus to longer runs and race simulations in order to hit the ground running at Melbourne.
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Reilly
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Feb 26, 2015 - 08:35am PT
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This could be a good season if the also-rans can give Merc some competition, eh? Haven't
seen Alonso's wreck but it must have been nasty. Hope he's good soon - I like him. I really
hope Ferrari can give Vettel a good ride - I like him a lot. Ever see his visit to Top Gear? Nice
bloke. I'm not holding my breath on whether Lotus' strong showing continues but I have fond
memories of Jim Clark and his beautiful monocoque Lotus. As a wee tyke I carved one. Was
he the greatest ever? Certainly right up there with Fangio, Jackie, and Michael. Might have to
go to Texas this October. Yeah, that's the ticket, a birthday present! BRILLIANT!
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Feb 26, 2015 - 09:03am PT
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Haven't seen the Top Gear episode, but Vettel is my favorite. He has his moments, but think he handled his struggles pretty well last year and always seems to be looking to laugh.
They say Alonso might not be ready for Melbourne, but I bet he makes it. He is tough and won't wanna miss out on the points.
I would like to see Lotus back among the top cars again, by Lotus I mean Grosjean, not a Maldonado fan.
Reilly, you gotta go to Austin. We sat in the turn 3 bleachers which was cool, cause those turns are technical and you get to see turn 12&13 across the track. I think turn 6&7 bleachers would be cool too. You can walk around the whole track during practice and qualifying to see different parts of it. Hotel prices are ludicrous and might be hard to find one.
Edit: sorry, turn 5 bleachers or turn 9 not 6&7.
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1. Mercedes, 2. Williams and 3. Ferrari on top of the timesheets during the final Barcelona pre-season testing.
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Seems to be a smaller gap this year, can't wait.
From formula1.com
This week's unofficial aggregate test times from Barcelona:
1. Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 1m 22.792s, 254 laps
2. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1m 23.022s, 124 laps
3. Valtteri Bottas, Williams, 1m 23.063s, 179 laps
4. Felipe Massa, Williams, 1m 23.262, 205 laps
5. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 1m 23.276s, 216 laps
6. Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, 1m 23.469s, 272 laps
7. Felipe Nasr, Sauber, 1m 24.023s, 300 laps
8. Carlos Sainz Jr, Toro Rosso, 1m 24.191s, 218 laps
9. Romain Grosjean, Lotus, 1m 24.200s, 191 laps
10. Marcus Ericsson, Sauber, 1m 24.276s, 245 laps
11. Max Verstappen, Toro Rosso, 1m 24.527s, 224 laps
12. Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull, 1m 24.638s, 200 laps
13. Nico Hulkenberg, Force India, 1m 24.939s, 235 laps
14. Sergio Perez, Force India, 1m 25.113s, 130 laps
15. Kevin Magnussen, McLaren, 1m 25.225s, 39 laps
16. Jenson Button, McLaren, 1m 25.327s, 138 laps
17. Daniil Kvyat, Red Bull, 1m 25.947s, 159 laps
18. Pastor Maldonado, Lotus, 1m 26.705s, 176 laps
Total distance run - by team:
1. Sauber, 545 laps - 2,536 km
2. Ferrari, 488 laps - 2,271 km
3. Toro Rosso, 442 laps - 2,057 km
4. Williams, 384 laps - 1,787 km
5. Mercedes, 378 laps - 1,759 km
6. Lotus, 367 laps - 1,708 km
7. Force India, 365 laps - 1,699 km
8. Red Bull, 359 laps - 1,671 km
9. McLaren, 177 laps - 823 km
Total distance run - by power unit:
1. Mercedes, 1,494 laps - 6954 km
2. Ferrari, 1,033 laps - 4808 km
3. Renault, 801 laps - 3,728 km
4. Honda, 177 laps - 823 km
Longest stints - by tyre compound:
Supersoft compound - 5 laps (Marcus Ericsson; Sergio Perez; Felipe Nasr; Nico Hulkenberg)
Soft compound - 15 laps (Felipe Massa; Nico Rosberg)
Medium compound - 26 laps (Marcus Ericsson)
Prototype medium compound* - 28 laps (Kimi Raikkonen)
Hard compound - 27 laps (Felipe Nasr)
Intermediate compound - 6 laps (Lewis Hamilton; Daniil Kvyat)
*Being assessed by Pirelli for development purposes
Third test comparison - Year on Year*
2014 (Bahrain) - 3,308 laps (17,901 km) completed in four days
2015 (Barcelona) - 3,505 laps (16,313 km) completed in four days
That's a 2.7 percent decrease
2014 fastest lap in qualifying at Barcelona - 1m 25.232s (Lewis Hamilton)
2015 fastest lap in testing at Barcelona - 1m 22.792s (Nico Rosberg)
That's 2.9 percent increase
*Bahrain hosted the third pre-season test in 2014
Overall mileage across the 12 days of pre-season testing - by driver:
1. Nico Rosberg, 759 laps - 3,463 km
2. Felipe Nasr, 649 laps - 2,976 km
3. Max Verstappen, 617 laps - 2,834 km
4. Sebastian Vettel, 602 laps - 2,768 km
5. Marcus Ericsson, 596 laps - 2,732 km
6. Carlos Sainz Jr, 589 laps - 2,700 km
7. Kimi Raikkonen, 580 laps - 2,655 km
8. Lewis Hamilton, 533 laps - 2,434 km
9. Felipe Massa, 492 laps - 2,258 km
10. Valtteri Bottas, 491 laps - 2,255 km
11. Daniel Ricciardo, 486 laps - 2,243 km
12. Pastor Maldonado, 486 laps - 2,231 km
13. Daniil Kvyat, 457 laps - 2,109 km
14. Romain Grosjean, 355 laps - 1,640 km
15. Sergio Perez, 285 laps - 1,327 km
16. Nico Hulkenberg, 271 laps - 1,262 km
17. Jenson Button, 224 laps - 1,033 km
18. Pascal Wehrlein, 161 laps - 749 km
19. Fernando Alonso, 117 laps - 536 km
20. Susie Wolff, 86 laps - 400 km
21. Jolyon Palmer, 77 laps - 358 km
22. Kevin Magnussen, 39 laps - 182 km
Overall mileage across the 12 days of pre-season testing - by team:
1. Mercedes, 1,340 laps - 6,121 km
2. Sauber, 1,245 laps - 5,709 km
3. Toro Rosso, 1,206 laps - 5,534 km
4. Ferrari, 1,182 laps - 5,423 km
5. Williams, 1,069 laps - 4,913 km
6. Red Bull, 943 laps - 4,352 km
7. Lotus, 918 laps - 4,230 km
8. Force India, 669 laps - 3,114 km
9. McLaren, 380 laps - 1,751 km
Overall mileage across the 12 days of pre-season testing - by power unit:
1. Mercedes, 3,996 laps - 18,378 km
2. Ferrari, 2,427 laps - 11,132 km
3. Renault, 2,149 laps - 9,886 km
4. Honda, 380 laps - 1,751 km
Honda and McLaren are struggling.
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Combined testing times at Barcelona:
1. Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 1.22.792, Soft (254 laps)
2. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1.23.022, Soft (124 laps)
3. Valtteri Bottas, Williams, 1.23.063, Super Soft (179 laps)
4. Felipe Massa, Williams, 1.23.262, Super Soft (205 laps)
5. Kimi Räikkönen, Ferrari, 1.23.276, Super Soft (216 laps)
6. Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, 1.23.469, Super Soft (272 laps)
7. Felipe Nasr, Sauber, 1.24.023, Super Soft (300 laps)
8. Carlos Sainz Jr., Toro Rosso, 1.24.191, Super Soft (218 laps)
9. Romain Grosjean, Lotus, 1.24.200, Super Soft (191 laps)
10. Marcus Ericsson, Sauber, 1.24.276, Super Soft (245 laps)
11. Max Verstappen, Toro Rosso, 1.24.527, Super Soft (224 laps)
12. Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull, 1.24.638, Soft (200 laps)
13. Nico Hülkenberg, Force India, 1.24.939, Super Soft (235 laps)
14. Sergio Pérez, Force India, 1.25.113, Super Soft (130 laps)
15. Kevin Magnussen, McLaren, 1.25.225, Soft (39 laps)
16. Jenson Button, McLaren, 1.25.327, Super Soft (138 laps)
17. Daniil Kvyat, Red Bull, 1.25.947, Medium (159 laps)
18. Pastor Maldonado, Lotus, 1.26.705, Soft (176 laps)
Total number of laps per team:
1. Sauber-Ferrari (545 laps)
2. Ferrari (488 laps)
3. Toro Rosso-Renault (442 laps)
4. Williams-Mercedes (384 laps)
5. Mercedes (378 laps)
6. Lotus-Mercedes (367 laps)
7. Force India-Mercedes (365 laps)
8. Red Bull-Renault (359 laps)
9. McLaren-Honda (177 laps)
Total number of laps per engine:
1. Mercedes (1494 laps)
2. Ferrari (1033 laps)
3. Renault (801 laps)
4. Honda (177 laps)
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Mar 13, 2015 - 07:37am PT
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It's begun! I was smiling last night as I realized I was watching Formula 1 again.
Go Nico, go Vettel, go Kimi, go Bottas.
Don't go Lewis.
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ron gomez
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Mar 13, 2015 - 11:08am PT
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Wish these guys would get it together and win again.
Peace
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Reilly
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Mar 13, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
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I guess Fernando was messed up like loco en la cabeza muy malo:
"Spanish publication El Pais suggests Alonso believed he was still a young kart racer when he awoke after the crash (h/t Byron Young and Ed Malyon of the Mirror): "I'm Fernando, I drive go karts and I want to be a Formula 1 driver," he reportedly said when asked his name, occupation and aspirations. McLaren confirmed that report on Friday, according to Pete Gill of Sky Sports.
This led to Malyon tweeting the driver had lost memory of the past two decades:"
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2373275-fernando-alonso-injury-updates-on-f1-driver-following-crash-in-barcelona
Hope he recovers, el tiene mucha alma.
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Tony Puppo
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Mar 13, 2015 - 09:34pm PT
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Big fan but since I cut the cable I can't figure out where to watch the boys.
Beta?
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pocoloco1
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Mar 14, 2015 - 12:10pm PT
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Tony's question is the same as mine... any streaming options.?
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Levy
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Mar 14, 2015 - 04:13pm PT
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You can view the F1 races, qualified and practice sessions on NBC Sports Channel. It's not the regular NBC network.
Beyer looks fast in his new Ferrari but it looks like Mercedes has the fastest cars on the track right now, I predict a win for Louis Hamilton.
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bhilden
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Mar 14, 2015 - 08:35pm PT
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Real(TM) F1 fans should check out the website of Lotus' test driver:
http://www.carmenjorda.com/
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guyman
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Mar 15, 2015 - 11:40am PT
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Good win for LH....
I see that Red Bull is already crying big tears about "Its not fair".....
Funny how things change, so quickly.
Can't wait for the next round.
Don't count Honda out just yet.... It's a loooong season
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Chaz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 15, 2015 - 03:04pm PT
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I like David Hobbs, but he drives me nuts when he says "all over him like a cheap suit".
A cheap suit falls apart at the seams. A wet blanket is what's all over someone.
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Justin Ross from North Fork
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Mar 18, 2016 - 07:49am PT
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Well, hopefully Ferrari has cut the gap this year. Last year was boring.
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Reilly
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Mar 18, 2016 - 08:06am PT
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God, that Shell commercial is so phukking great!
NOTHING was sweeter than the 60's monocoques. As a wee blighter I carved one.
This season could be very good. Scuderia and Williams are looking better and maybe
even Mclaren can earn a few points?
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Winemaker
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Mar 18, 2016 - 08:38am PT
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For those asking about streaming options, I'll post a site when I get home; can't remember the address off the top of my head. You can stream the British Sky broadcast; not HD but okay, especially with no commercials. Sky broadcast all practice and quali sessions as well as the race.
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Winemaker
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Mar 18, 2016 - 03:46pm PT
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Here's one streaming site; there are others out there according to posters on F1 websites, but this is the only on that's worked for me on a consistent basis. It has lots of other sports also.
http://www.vipbox.tv/
Edited to add a good site with session start times. Set to your time zone at the top:
https://www.f1calendar.com/
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Chaz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 18, 2016 - 06:00pm PT
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Thanks for the clarification, Overwatch.
I was the one with his metaphor mixed, and David Hobbs was escape goat.
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Chaz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 19, 2016 - 07:44am PT
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I won't waste my time watching qualifying anymore.
This new system is really bad.
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Chaz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 19, 2016 - 09:18am PT
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What prevented Vettel from running more laps in Q3?
Raikkonnenn was out because the Devil takes the hindmost, or something. But Vettel was walking away with several minutes left to shoot for a better time. It's like they just gave up.
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Mar 19, 2016 - 09:27am PT
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I guess he said he wanted to save his tires, but I kinda think it was the team saying f*#k this qualifying format.
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Mar 19, 2016 - 12:08pm PT
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I'll go with what Lewis Hamilton had to say last month. F1 is broken, Motogp is where it's at.
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johntp
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Mar 19, 2016 - 12:14pm PT
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Auto racing is like hockey or basketball. Great if you are in the stands but boring as hell on TV.
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overwatch
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Mar 19, 2016 - 01:05pm PT
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with heavy use of on-board cameras I actually like watching at home it's pretty frightening
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Reilly
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The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 19, 2016 - 02:18pm PT
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Bernie is the poster child for The Peter Principle.
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guyman
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May 21, 2016 - 12:52pm PT
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This is for Roy... Im still digging for the F1 shots from the Long Beach GP... might be in the box in the Garage, I need to dig that one up!!!
Anyway, This is Sr. James McLaren with his #1 Plate.
I also Love Porsche..... this is one of my all time favorites, 906... these were street legal!
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guyman
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Moorpark, CA.
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May 21, 2016 - 06:06pm PT
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Cosmic.... Oh I really love that to. I laugh at folks who say that NASCAR isn't racing.
NASCAR is like strong Whiskey.
F1 is prime Scotch.
But i think there is a separate thread for that...
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Batrock
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May 21, 2016 - 08:42pm PT
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Going to the F1 series in Texas in October with my son, looking forward to it. I have never been into it until recently when my son started following it.
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Marlow
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Oct 16, 2016 - 12:06am PT
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Repsol Honda rider Marc Márquez clinched the 2016 MotoGP World Championship as he swept to victory at the Japanese Grand Prix, while Yamaha pair Valentino Rossi and Jorge Lorenzo both crashed out.
Márquez arrived at Motegi with a 52-point advantage but extended it to an unassailable 77 with just three rounds remaining, as neither Rossi nor Lorenzo were able to score points after falling.
Márquez's triumph meant he became the youngest five-time World Champion in history, as he added to his 2013 and 2014 MotoGP titles, 2012 Moto2 success and 2010 125cc crown.
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landcruiserbob
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Oct 16, 2016 - 02:07am PT
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Sucked since Senna passed...22 years ago
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guyman
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Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 26, 2017 - 12:35pm PT
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The horse is prancing once again.... kick off 2017!!!!!!!
about time.
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Chaz
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 26, 2017 - 01:31pm PT
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What's more exciting?
Melbourne Australia?
Or Fontana?
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guyman
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Moorpark, CA.
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Mar 28, 2017 - 09:59am PT
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Chaz ..... good question.
I like excitement in the racing I watch. Every type of racing has a different flavor.
F1.... milliseconds count for a lot, Vettles timing of the pit stop was brilliant.
NASCAR... more brutish racing, finding the fast way around Fontana is not a easy thing to do. Big heavy cars on small fragile tires, wildcard rules that can save you day and pre-planned stops, fast cars going 200 MPH+ sliding all over the place makes for a exciting day.
MoToGP.... the last race, was pretty spectacular no? I really think this is about the best racing you can watch.... low tech with no radio and tires that need to be "managed "... what a show!
To me it's all good
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Cragar
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Mar 28, 2017 - 10:12am PT
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I hear ya guy!
I have attended quite a few WestCoastStockCar and drag races and being from Bako in the 70's, it is what you did.
I grew up with just about every Saturday night on the fastest half mile oval in the west, until they closed it due to noise. I attended the March Meets supporting my best friends dad in the pro stock class. He was buddies with Don Garlits; all I can say is being a youngin' in that crowd was a frikkin hoot and I am glad I was too young to partake at the end of the day!
I prefer moto to auto myself. Hard Enduro is my fav followed closely by motocross. I also like the DH mtb stuff but not really a follower.
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psykokid
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Mar 28, 2017 - 10:47am PT
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I watched F1 religiously up until a few years ago. It got super boring so I concentrated on V8 Supercars and IMSA/WEC.
Figured I'd give the first race of the season a shot this year. YAWN... I dozed off about halfway through the race and woke up to catch the last 10 laps or so..
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Cragar
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Mar 28, 2017 - 11:07am PT
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You know it Jeremy!! Shoot, we'd bet every race too. You had to love Dick Trickle eh?!
When I drive by there on the way to my family's zone I get micro-pissed that it is gone...I crack up that they named that garishly named devo across the road to the north Tuscany.
The Speedway in the 'dale, whew now that's a whole 'nuther story...ever been out der?
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Cragar
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Mar 28, 2017 - 11:31am PT
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Oh man, you know it! Doug Bentz, local business and track man... The Speedway was pure raw Bako at it's fighty-est!!
I found out from a relative down there that when MesaMarin was built it had something like a 20-25 yr lease and when that was up, if there were devos and whatnot out there where the noise would be a nuisance, MesaMarin would be closed, bulldozed and a Lowes, HomeShithole and Chossco would replace it.
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Batrock
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Burbank
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Mar 28, 2017 - 12:06pm PT
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This season looks to be interesting. It was great to see Ferrari take the win. I am rooting for Verstepin.
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G_Gnome
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Mar 28, 2017 - 01:05pm PT
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Watching Nascar cars go in circles is boring no matter how close the racing is. Indy is OK these days but most races have too many crashes and yellow flags. They obviously aren't penalizing crashers enough.
F1 cars are great and the drivers are the best but they really need to do something so that it isn't just a parade every race.
MotoGP is currently the best although I think that I actually enjoy the Moto3 and Moto2 races more than the GP ones.
I tried watching World Endurance but that is even more boring.
WRC is still OK but the coverage is too broken up to really be enjoyable. I think they try to cover too many things in a show instead of just showing more detail about the top 5 drivers or ....?
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Reilly
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Mar 28, 2017 - 01:29pm PT
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F1 has almost come down to who qualifies best.
They need wider tracks.
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guyman
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Mar 28, 2017 - 02:00pm PT
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Yea every type of racing is good for me.
Heck at the chance of being called a redneck... I'll admit to going to Tractor Pulls!
When I moved back to the Midwest I was a F1 - Sportscar maniac... then I fell in with the locals and started going to the Drags and Sprints. Sprint Cars on a 1/2 mile paved oval can be awsome...... this sort of racing is really for the parties involved.
The Wednesday night bracket racing at Cornhusker Dragstrip would get like 500 cars.
I would take my dads 62 Pontiac station wagon, the small one with the aluminum V8 and enter. I had a ton of fun doing it and it stopped me from street racing. But I sort of had a big disaster one time..... I won the whole thing! 15:20 ET all night long payed off in spades.
But the next morning my dad woke me up in a huff.... right there on page one was a photo of Dads car... launching off the line with my smiling face quite visible behind the wheel!
The offer to split the $250 I won didn't help much.
So yea I like it all, sit in the stands with a cold one, kick back and enjoy the show.
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seano
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Mar 28, 2017 - 02:16pm PT
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I've never understood Nascar's appeal, going around and around again on the same oval. If I want to watch motorsports, I tend to go for Rally's gonzo risk-taking (check out some vintage Colin McRae), or the IoM TT's incredible precision.
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Tarbuster
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That is one bad ass, hard-boiled mo fo ... with a sense of humor!
Interviews with Hunt, Lauda, & others, BITD:
https://vimeo.com/71757849
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Gary
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Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Sprint Cars on a 1/2 mile paved oval can be awesome......
You betcha. Used to watch sprint cars once a month at Haubstadt, Indiana. Crazy stuff watching those things go flying off the track. Saw Rodger Ward win at Salem, Indiana, he was in a class way above the local yocals.
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Reilly
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The Other Monrovia- CA
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ALL HAIL THE CHAMP!
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guyman
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Moorpark, CA.
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Yes, congratulations to Lewis Hamilton, he has again proven that given the BEST car he can bring it home first most of the time. That is not an easy thing to do.
F1 is getting more competitive now because the mid pack is getting tighter and the also-rans, Ferrari and Red Bull, are almost as quick as Mercedes.
Add in some more teams, motor suppliers, and a few more events and next year might be very close.
IMHO... what is really needed to make F1 more exciting are better tracks... I am sorry but a street race in some Russian town with buildings to hit sucks.
The USGP at Austin had side by side action..... all tracks that host GP need to be like that.
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FRUMY
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Bishop,CA
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^^^^^^^^^^
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ron gomez
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fallbrook,ca
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Jody with all due respect NASCAR can bang cars, and they do all race long with little regard to the car...unless in a corner. Last 20 laps take forever due to crash after crash and your car can be missing the entire front end and still be competitive. Not much skill involved with that style of racing. When you can start a race with the call out" Boogity, boogity, boogity boys! Let's go racin'". Come on man!
Try racing 3 or 4 corners in a row, right and left turns inches from the next wheel knowing your day is over with a touch. Much prefer open wheel to bumper car style racing.
Peace
Named my first born and son after Niki Lauda
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Reilly
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The Other Monrovia- CA
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Yes, Jeremy, Alonso definitely seemed quicker thru the tighter turns.
On the straights, not so much. Hope the Renaults get him over a
few finish lines next year. Those Renaults didn’t exactly shine Sunday!
What was up with The Hulk’s threatening to electrocute him?
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G_Gnome
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Cali
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Yeah, I would have to completely agree with Guy about the race tracks. Street circuits are terrible to watch on TV and the racing is bad. There is no where to pass so it turns into a parade. If you watched the last couple of races you could see how well they could pass on a wide open track and the racing is fun to watch. And the worst race, but the one that will never change, is Monaco.
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FRUMY
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I don't know about anybody else but I really enjoyed the Mexican GP.
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guyman
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Moorpark, CA.
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I don't know about anybody else but I really enjoyed the Mexican GP.
Yes it was good... a glimpse into the future, maybe.
At the USGP we were able to get a bit of real dicing.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
This video is the best... these F1 cars were the best... built to go fast, with a thin rule book. Not like the over regulated F1 cars of today.
In what little auto racing I have done, I find that to be really matched up with another car, trading rubs, out braking, doing a over under. Is what its really about.
And win or loose, its the moment and the joy of that fight that makes the sport great.
Hard to describe the feeling that one can get if you have not done it at some level.
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Batrock
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I was glad to see Verstappen win in Mexico, my wife thinks he is a punk but he has skills, especially in the rain. I am looking forward to see how he does in the upcoming race if his engine can hold up and not take a crap like the rest.
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The Wolf
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Martinez, CA
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F1 has gotten better and more competitive this year for one reason and that was the sale of F1 to John Malone and Liberty Media. They opened up the down force changed the aero on the cars. and widened the tires. This year has more horsepower. Next year will have more changes to motor.
They being a media company are revamping the TV feed to reach a larger audience. New season there will be individual feeds specific to countries. The US feed will feature stats in mph instead of km. They also feature real time drive crew radio chatter. This is great stuff!
These changes have allowed to create 3 different race groups. The fast guys at the front the mid pack and the slower cars. There is great racing throughout the pack. Great racing is not always about the win.
F1 also offers the Prima Donna off track drama each week that then plays out on the track.
The best car does not always win. Bottas and Hamilton are driving the same car. Those cars are controlled by the drivers on a complicated steering wheel. The differential and other adjustments are made on the fly for each turn. THIS is where the driver and car become one and the lesser drives fade.
NASCAR and Indy both have the elite teams that win all the time. Racing is about consistency not always winning. NASCAR has more of a Pro wrestling feeling (not fixed, but the vibe) when you are around it. I spent 3 weeks with the teams and made a film about it at Daytona one year
I'm a Riciardo and Alonzo fan both these guys do plenty of passing and always find a way.
Anyway, sorry to drone on but F1 is really great
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Marlow
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Liberty Media has outlined several plans to improve F1 since its takeover, including the redistribution of revenues, and making the 2021 power unit simpler, cheaper and louder.
However, ahead of a meeting with F1's key players, Ferrari Chairman Sergio Marchionne warned that the marque "will not play" unless conditions are favourable.
"If we change the sandbox to the point where it becomes an unrecognisable sandbox, I don't want to play anymore – I don't want to play NASCAR globally," he commented.
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The Wolf
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Martinez, CA
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Ferrari says that now, but if everyone else joins in they will follow suit. They over estimate their own importance. Race fans want good racing, the manufacturers title is vanity and not a real care for the fans.
I would not want NASCAR either but the geographic nature will guarantee it will never be NASCAR.
Europe is in danger of losing ALL F1 races because of cost to the tracks and lagging ticket sales. The only thing that will save it is TV, for TV it has to be more than a train of cars and the racing has to be more than just a guaranteed win for the Pole sitter. I use to work for Liberty media and they were not good employers but as a F1 and I have seen the improvement in the product. Bernie Eccelsten (sp) was dictator of a dying entity. It has life for the first time in years.
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Tarbuster
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Dec 18, 2017 - 07:24am PT
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekend_of_a_Champion
Up close and personal with Jackie Stewart at Monaco in 1971.
Weekend of a Champion is pretty darn good, a full-length documentary by Roman Polanski, revived from archives and presented in 2013 with an additional interview between Polanski and Stewart in modern day. It's mostly about preparation and mindset, offering a good look into what F1 used to be like.
Footage of the actual race is thin, but the overall package is still quite good. Some seminal, soon to be dead guys captured on film; Pedro Rodriguez, Ronnie Peterson, Jo Siffert, with a glimpse and mention of Jochen Rindt, who was already gone.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
I watched it via Netflix, and it looks like plenty of pay-per-view offerings on YouTube.
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I was also lucky enough to see Jackie and a good chunk of the same F1 grid mixed in with F 5000 cars at the 1971 Questor Grand Prix.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Questor_Grand_Prix
Here's my old man's dash plaque which he received for working as a turn marshal during the race:
... Also saw Gene Romero, no helmet, long brown hair flowing, flashing out of the pits on a GP bike that weekend.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 18, 2017 - 07:50am PT
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Dood, I thought I posted this months ago? OK, it is a worthy bump.
How did those guys get into their tiny cockpits with the balls they had?
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Tarbuster
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Dec 18, 2017 - 08:10am PT
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Guys routinely died for this sh#t.
Lot of talent disappeared in a short period of time.
*And I did enjoy that post you made featuring Hamilton and his brother.
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Tarbuster
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Have we talked about this yet?
From the makers of Dogtown and Z Boys/Riding Giants.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Just watched it on Netflix. Easily as poignant as the other two documentaries from the same filmmakers on skateboarding and surfing. Tons of great archival footage of the drivers and the times.
It's not just that the modern narrative is more risk-averse than it was for blood sport in the 70s. Much of the documentary is focused on risks and death in Formula One during that era when power and aerodynamics grossly outweighed the limitations of the tracks and in situ medical response. This is how it really was. Still, after watching this three times and enjoying every minute of it, I'd like to see an alternate 1970s F1 treatment focusing more on driver skill, the creative details of a rapidly advancing technology, and the nature of the tracks & races themselves. But the story as it is told here in this documentary easily fills out the time allotted, and it's an important one.
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Winemaker
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Yakima, WA
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So what's the movie called? I tried '1 The Movie' on Netflix with no joy. Tried Formula 1; no joy.
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Tarbuster
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Search <1 2013>
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Winemaker
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Yakima, WA
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Doh. I was looking at streaming titles! Thanks.
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Tarbuster
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Max Mosley, President of the FIA from 1993 to 2009:
You can think of person after person. You could give a wonderful party with the people that got killed.
In these various documentaries, I find Max Mosley quite the noble man.
Yet, the 70s were a time when guys routinely laid their lives on the line for this stuff, and with that, there also existed a time and a place where they could be just who they were – under the microphone, in public and in private. Now people don't die for the sport as they once did, but it is also highly sterilized when it comes to expression of personality. I suppose it's a reasonable trade-off, but then antiseptic application of reason isn't what drives passion, at least not for the pioneers.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Setting aside all of the flash and romance, on the track, the best drivers such as Phil Hill, Jim Clark, and Niki Lauda were known to be very precise and controlled. They were like the alpinists whom everyone expected to return from the mountain again and again. Two of them did.
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Reilly
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Now people don't die for the sport as they once did, but it is also highly sterilized when it comes to expression of personality. You mean like not being able to pass anywhere?
Only weeks until initial testing starts! Woot! 😝
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Tarbuster
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Passing?
For that we have Max Verstappen!
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otisdog
Big Wall climber
Sierra Madre & McGee Creek, Ca.
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Formula 1 is racing, nascar is staged entertainment.
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D.Eubanks
Big Wall climber
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F1 has never been the same since we lost Senna.
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G_Gnome
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Cali
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F1, as bad as it is, is still better than everything else except MotoGP. Although I am really starting to love World Rallycross, but not the other rallycross circuit.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
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Senna vs Hamilton would be quite the matchup, but I would have to go with Lewis’ precision.
Schumacher woulda probably beat him more often than not, too.
Hope McLarens run more competitively this year with the Frog engines. Alonso deserves
to go out getting a few podiums although I won’t hold my breath.
Gonna be interesting to see how Kubica does.
This just in! Lewis goes vegan!
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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I coulda been a contender.
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D.Eubanks
Big Wall climber
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Schumacher woulda probably beat him more often than not, too Oh you think you know? I don't think so...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Didn’t say I know. I just think Senna was a little too crazy for his own good.
Schumacher shoulda learned to ski better, too.
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Tarbuster
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Jan 14, 2018 - 07:22am PT
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Winemaker!
Thanks for posting that portrait in nomex with your Formula Ford!
Along with Guy, you're probably one of the few here with actual racing experience.
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Some vintage Formula Ford examples from our local track, High Plains Raceway, east of Denver:
(The blue cars above #66 are Formula B and Super Vee)
I'd imagine the closest thing we'll see to an F1 car at a Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing event would be this Formula A/F5000 example:
Snap shots taken during last year's RMVR spring races.
Every Spring Grand Prix we see a good mix of vintage cars out racing:
Group 1 - Formula Fords / Wings and Things / Sports Racers
Group 2 - Small Bore Production Cars
Group 3 - Formula Vee
Group 4 - Mid and Big Bore Production Cars
https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/2018-spring-grand-prix-high-plains-raceway-rocky-mountain-vintage-racing-rmvr-159386
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Tarbuster
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Jan 14, 2018 - 12:17pm PT
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James Hunt going like a bat out of hell in the Hesketh, and Niki Lauda in hot pursuit with the new Ferarri 312 T (transverse gearbox), which would prove to be a consistently winning platform.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Ronnie Peterson, one of the best, who is interviewed here, died shortly after a crash at Monza in 1978.
Hunt, who built a notorious reputation as a hard-partying bad boy, was actually quite well spoken and went on to provide excellent F1 commentary after he retired.
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Tarbuster
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Mar 26, 2018 - 08:44pm PT
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Formula One 2018!
Well, fellow petrolheads, they are at it again!
Yes, this year's Australian Grand Prix is now water under the bridge.
And this first race run on the beautiful Melbourne circuit, with two, count them, TWO opportunities to pass. Woo hoo!
Finishing order, first six: Vettel, Hamilton, Räikkönen, Ricciardo, Alonso! & Verstappen.
What's that curvaceous banister thingy wrapping the cockpit just above the drivers' eyebrows?
Oh yeah, there's been talk about the HALO for a while now. At least there's some rake at the trailing edges, lending an appearance of speed to the whole arrangement (in side view, mind you). Almost reminiscent of the profile of some of the wraparound windscreens from some of the cars in the 50s! Or something. Or is it just a Buck Rogers inspired tack on …
Whatever, in another few races we won't even notice they are there, right … kind of like that off-color line of tiles the roofers installed mid-course on the top of your house.
Well, every season, and even midseason, there are always new aerodynamic oddities and various wind tunnel inspired filigree to ogle. I'm just throwing this rollbar right in with all of that.
TV coverage of the starting grid seems improved, with full-bodied driver's portraits. Or did I miss that from before?
For me, it's helpful in remembering them bad boys, especially the guys frequently established as back markers. (Which, ahem, of course, is most of them).
And you know, like a woman who can read an unlimited array of red lipstick shades, I'm quite serious when I say I think those Ferarri are showing a tad more orange in the tint, no?
Speaking of ORANGE: the papaya orange livery of Maclaren finishing in the top six, now there is a color I can adjust to!
Grosjean & Magnussen and their Ferrari powered HAAS machines looked good at the start. (That changed, and not for the better). Ricciardo actually made a pass somewhere in the mix early on. Max Verstappen, bless his heart, spun out, maybe due to tires, losing a bunch of ground, (most of which he made up, no surprise) and was described by one of the announcers as a man in a hurry. If that's been said before, I missed it! Can we say: apropos?
Well, Vettel pretty much won the race, adding time by speeding along the pit lane exit, whilst everyone else was toodling along under a virtual yellow flag. Now that's excitement … or maybe not.
One of my favorite moments was watching the matched profiles of Toto Wolff and Nicky Lauda as they sat side-by-side, faces alight with an ever-changing array of emotions, overseeing their respective gladiators.
And then, when it came time for the champagne celebration, now that Dan Gurney has left us, did I detect a lackluster spray-display? At one point, when Sebastian pointed his bottle at Kimi, the iceman more or less held out his hand is if to say: oh please ...
Well, even after watching this season's first race almost twice, that's about all the thick-screened sieve fashioned from my rampant, ADD inspired internal dialogue let through onto the heads-up display of my consciousness.
And all cutesy-quippy sarcasm aside, and given that my head to toe tendinitis affliction is moving along as quickly as a hamster in his/her wheel, I'll be here under the hardtop, glued to the rim of the boob tube w/Permatex for front row viewing during all the rest of this year's F1 circus!
What did you see?
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Tony Puppo
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Mar 26, 2018 - 09:18pm PT
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Roy you are on a roll. Awesome seeing the boys again, especially with you at color commentary.
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BruceHildenbrand
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Mar 26, 2018 - 10:22pm PT
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What was interesting to me to see was how powerful the whole F1 machine really is. Stupid regulations about the speed on track with a virtual safety car versus the speed in pit lane cost Hamilton the race. But nobody seems to be, at least publicly, calling the rule into question.
I can't believe that something isn't happening behind-the-scenes to close this loophole. The fact the everyone on F1 seems to be keeping mum says that they all have a lot more to lose by speaking out. That's a long way from the tire disaster in Indy when only 6 cars took to the grid. Of course in that situation it was more of a driver safety issue.
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Reilly
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Mar 26, 2018 - 10:25pm PT
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Lewis wuz robbed! Robbed I say! Mr Pundit, you omitted Lewis’ phenomenal qualfying lap
with his car in ‘party mode’! LOL During the race the Merc didn’t seem much faster than the
Prancing Ponies so I say his Q lap was just driving genius.
I have to say the F1 bureaucrats are taking over with the 3 engine rule. That’s insanity.
RUN WHAT YA BRUNG! WE WANT SPEED! (and tracks they can pass on)
Oh, can we have a moment of silence for the passing of the Grid Girls? This PC crap blows.
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Tarbuster
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Mar 26, 2018 - 10:43pm PT
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I ain't no pundit.
I'll leave that to the rest of you bright lights!
>And missed qualifying! Oh the horror, the horror.
Just a color sensitive sh#t-talker over here.
And yes, WTF, OVER, I'll take a knee for the Grid Girls!
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Reilly
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Mar 26, 2018 - 10:48pm PT
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Hay, it’s OK to pontificate! It’s what we do at this age! 🤡
FYI, you did see he cleaned their clocks by almost .7 second on his last Q lap?
That was incredible.
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Tarbuster
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Mar 26, 2018 - 10:53pm PT
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No, I didn't see that, Reilly!
See edit just above, concerning qualifying. (Though I do remember mention of Hamilton's engine settings/qualifying situation)
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BruceHildenbrand
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Mar 26, 2018 - 10:55pm PT
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Reilly,
according to the commentators, it is very hard to pass on the Melbourne circuit. Hamilton had a 15 second lead on Vettel before they started changing tires and all the virtual safety car BS happened. Yes, Hamilton was robbed. For sure.
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Tarbuster
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Mar 26, 2018 - 11:02pm PT
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Yes, Bruce, Vettel himself basically offered up that caveat to his win, directly to Hamilton in front of God and everybody.
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TomCochrane
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Cascade Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Mar 27, 2018 - 12:47am PT
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When it came time for me to learn to drive as a teenager, my parents decided to hire a professional driving instructor for me. I don't think my parents ever realized that he was a retired Indy race driver who was eager to teach me racing techniques. I learned a number of habits from him that have clearly helped keep me alive on the highways as I do a lot of driving. In fact just drove for 12 hours from my boat in Monterey Bay to my cabin in the woods.
So for a little while I dated this girl in my home town of Boise Idaho, who got me further interested in racing. She had an MG Midget and was scary to watch on the autocross course. I taught her a little bit about rock climbing and she sometimes let me drive her car in the autocross. I started reading whatever was available in the library on handling race cars. She had an ex-boyfriend who had been a professional racer and was still hanging around her. He undertook to teach me some stuff about racing so I could drive faster times in her little car.
When our tenuous relationship broke up, my consolation prize was to go sink my savings into a worn-out Austin Healy 100. At the time, I didn't even know how to change a tire. The Healy had a dog clutch and the first thing I did was to race up into the hills and completely destroy the throw-out bearing. With no maintenance budget, I had to learn all about synchronized shifting without the clutch, and drove it that way for months. Between driving to school and local racing, I basically completely rebuilt the car to keep it on the road...just barely...
When I later bailed out of Camp 4 to San Francisco, I worked three jobs and suddenly had money to invest in a new Austin Healy Sprite. I was working the computer floor night shift at Fireman's Fund American, mornings as bookkeeper for Gerry Mountain Sports on Grant Avenue, and bookkeeper/ski mounter for The North Face on Columbus Avenue in the evenings.
Weekends was the race to Camp 4 between Galen Rowell, Frank Sacherer, me and others. I developed a special technique for getting through the bumper-to-bumper traffic on the road through Tracy. The technique was to slip into the curb lane and race past all the traffic. Soon some other eager driver would pull in behind me, at which point I would pull back into the line of traffic and let them go ahead by a good distance. As soon as they attracted the attention of the inevitable cop, I would pull back into line until past the cop and his victim....then repeat...
In 1967 my high school sweetheart and I took a copy of Euelle Gibbons' books and went trekking up the coast living off the bounty of the coastline. Then we hitchhiked across the country to arrive early for the Watkins Glenn Grand Prix in upstate New York. We arrived on a beautiful sunny day following a rain and found the race course and surroundings to be beautifully prepared, but not a single person around other than ourselves. So we pitched our little tent on the grass near the pits building and enjoyed ourselves walking around the race course. Later the next day, still with the place to ourselves, up the highway came three car carrier semi-trucks loaded with race cars, the entire stable of Formula One cars. The truck drivers pulled up to the pits building looking for someone in charge. I was the only one standing there, so they asked me where to put the cars. For want of a better option, I pretended to know what for, and directed them to carefully push the cars by hand and line them up neatly alongside each other in the pits building. Then the trucks drove off leaving me alone with all the cars. I knew a fair bit about the cars from my magazines, so had a couple of hours to do a detailed inspection of the Lotuses, Brabhams, American Eagle, Honda, Ferrari, etc. Then after a while, I started hearing the faint sound of high performance engines approaching at some considerable speed in the distance. Soon there was a collection of fancy sports cars pulling up to the building and the mechanics jump out of the cars saying thank god at least one of us made it here to receive delivery of the cars. I was instantly considered to be one of the gang. So there was no competition between the mechanics from one team to another ... everyone worked together on whatever needed to be done.
So we changed the gearing on the Honda flat 16 gearbox, readjusted the Lotus and Eagle suspensions for this track, etc. Then on the day before the race an official came around to hand out pit passes to each of the teams. Then he got to me and asked what team I was on? Several heads turned my way in curiosity. I said, well, I just happened to be here and haven't signed onto a team. Immediately three team managers came up and offered to take me on. I was in friendly negotiations between Lotus and Eagle, when we noticed my partner had gone off in a corner with tears streaming down her face. It seems becoming a Formula One groupy was not her idea of a good time and I had to make a choice between a job or her. Well I was pretty fond of her, so we settled for carte blanche pit passes to watch the race. Well it was still some sort of a dream come true. So I was fascinated by Jim Clark's technique and went down to the end of the back straight to watch him hit the shutoff point at well over 160 mph. Over dozens of laps his right front tire would chirp at the same patch within about six inches every time ... not sure what that translates into in milliseconds of timing. Graham Hill in the other Lotus was right on his tail for most of the race and they opened up several laps on the rest of the field. Then with a couple of laps to go Jim Clark's right rear top suspension link broke loose and the wheel cocked over inwards at about a 30 degree angle. Graham politely held position behind him while they ran the last two laps at a much slower rate, but still finishing ahead of the pack. Jim Clark managed to keep enough stress off that wheel so it didn't completely tear off the car! Wow, that's technique for you! The crowd went wild!
Following the parties, we continued our hitchhiking and arrived in New York City with about $2.50 in our pockets ... but that is another big adventure story ...
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Mar 27, 2018 - 02:25am PT
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Good God what am I doing up at this hour?
Answer: reading that awesome story by Tom Cochrane and searching the web for related jewels!
Now, that is almost totally unbelievable.
I'm sure you feel the same, except that it actually HAPPENED to you. Which I believe!!!
That bit about lining up the cars and being offered a position as a team mechanic: holy moly Batman!
Out-f*#king-standing!!!!! > Ad infinitum. Only in 1967 or thereabouts could such a thing ever happen. Even then, WOW.
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Thanks Tom!
Probably one of the best single posts ever on this forum, that is, for the few who actually know what it means.
and please don't give me a retroactive April fools ;-) in a few days!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_United_States_Grand_Prix
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micronut
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Mar 27, 2018 - 11:03am PT
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Edward T I love it. No wonder why we never grow out of that feeling.
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TomCochrane
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Mar 27, 2018 - 12:44pm PT
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The Honda 1967 Watkins Glenn engine made very strange sounds ... sounds like tearing a big sheet of paper ... or perhaps tearing the track lengthwise. The online references talk about a Honda 48 valve V-12 engine being used that year. But I'm pretty sure in that race the car had a Honda flat or H 16 cylinder and I helped swap gears in the gear box on the back end of it. In the interest of full disclosure, I didn't actually count cylinder heads that day. The rated horsepower was supposedly not the greatest, but it developed incredible torque for passing and made sounds I've never heard from another engine ... certainly unlike Ferrari 12 cylinder songs. I loved the way it poured on the torque. Later during the race, to my great disappointment, it started misfiring and making ragged sounds like little pistons were about to fly off in all directions, and John Surtees shut it down. With all those tiny high speed moving engine parts it's a wonder it lasted as long as it did in the race.
So Jimmy Clark died the next spring when a startled pigeon flew into his face on the back straight in Germany as he was going over 150 mph. I don't see online references to the pigeon precipitating Clark's fatal excursion into the trees.
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TomCochrane
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Mar 27, 2018 - 01:11pm PT
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I was just going by memory from articles at the time, supposedly from a spectator witness to the event.
Interesting to see what is available on the net.
Wikipedia says it was Hockenheim in Baden-Württemberg, Germany
I never actually met any of those famous drivers except for Dan Gurney ... it was just one big work space with people milling around working on various tasks on the cars, with me lending a hand occasionally and listening to discussions ... much less formal than when I later was working on Bobby Rahals CART team
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Mar 27, 2018 - 01:32pm PT
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The most impressive sounding engine I ever heard was the V12 powerplant used in the Matra MS120, which I heard being driven by Chris Amon at Ontario Motor Speedway, 1971.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matra_MS120
Sounded much like these two examples:
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In fact, THIS, though the examples above give a better feel for the experience:
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– The F1 Schedule – 2018:
25 March Melbourne, Australia
8 April – Sakhir, Bahrain
15 April – Shanghai, China
29 April – Baku, Azerbaijan
13 May – Barcelona, Spain
27 May – Monaco
10 June – Montreal, Canada
24 June – Le Castellet, France
1 July – Spielberg, Austria
8 July – Silverstone, Great Britain
22 July – Hockenheim, Germany
29 July – Budapest, Hungary
26 August – Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium
2 September – Monza, Italy
16 September – Singapore
30 September – Sochi, Russia
7 October – Suzuka, Japan
21 October – Austin, USA
28 October – Mexico City, Mexico
11 November – Sao Paulo, Brazil
25 November – Yas Marina, Abu Dhabi
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Mar 27, 2018 - 02:09pm PT
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Tom,
Just noodling around on Wikipedia, for 1966 and 1967, I'm only finding talk about the V12, as you've said. (Featured in the video above ^^^)
Doesn't necessarily mean you're recollection is incorrect, but here's what they have:
For 1966, to meet the new 3 L specification:
The Honda RA273 was a Formula One racing car used by the Honda team in the 1966 and 1967 Formula One seasons.
The engine was re-designed from the RA272's 1,500cc V12 to a brand new 3,000cc V12 due to the change of regulations before the 1966 season. The new engine was designed by Shoichiro Irimajiri.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_RA273
And the entry for 1967:
The 48-valve V12 engine first appeared in the RA273 at the 1966 Italian Grand Prix, driven by Richie Ginther. In spite of weighing 740 kg (dry), it was capable of spinning the rear tyres at 100 mph in third gear. With cylinder dimensions of 78.0 x 52.2 mm and a displacement of 2,993.17 cc, a target of 400-440 bhp at 12,000 rpm was quoted. The engine used by Surtees at Monza in 1967 was quoted by Motoring News as developing only 396 bhp, but with improved torque and response. The vehicle weight excess over the 500 kg minimum had been approximately halved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_RA300
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Mar 27, 2018 - 02:36pm PT
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More 70s V12 ear candy, this time from a BRM.
(I could get a life, but that wouldn't be as much fun at the moment)
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And, HERE, Tom is an H16 from the 60s, a BRM powerplant used in a Lotus 43, in 1966:
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Cosworth were developing a new engine for Lotus, the DFV, to be introduced for the 1967 Formula One season, and in the meantime Chapman made a deal for use of BRM's new P75 H16 engine. The P75 on paper was technically advanced and powerful, and Chapman had hopes that it would power his cars to another successful season.
The first sign of trouble was when the new engine arrived and it required four men to lift it from the truck. The engine proved to be overweight, unreliable and was unable to produce the promised power. The car was supposed to debut at the 1966 Monaco Grand Prix, driven by Peter Arundell, but it was unavailable. Its first outing at the following Belgian Grand Prix ended during practice, when the engine gave out.[3] Both Clark and Arundell then reverted to using the Lotus 33 while the new car's problems were ironed out.
The 43 reappeared at the Italian Grand Prix but retired with gearbox failure. Clark then won the United States Grand Prix at Watkins Glen, the only race win for the P75 engine and borrowed the P75 engine before the race. However, gearbox failure again led to the 43's retirement from the final race of the season, the Mexican Grand Prix.
So here it is, ^^^ evidence of an H16 at Watkins Glen in '66:
Clark then won the United States Grand Prix at Watkins Glen, the only race win for the P75 engine and borrowed the P75 engine before the race.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_43
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TomCochrane
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Mar 27, 2018 - 02:57pm PT
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Playing with speed ...
Piper Comanche 250 with all the speed mods
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Mar 27, 2018 - 03:06pm PT
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Yes, thanks for that Moto GP link.
I enjoy watching a little Flat Track & TT action, especially now that the Indians are running again! (I'm partial to the big bore bikes [Twins] when it comes to half-mile & mile ovals)
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G_Gnome
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Mar 27, 2018 - 03:07pm PT
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Yes, these days MotoGP is a better form of racing. Until F1 gets rid of the current aero package the racing will mostly be boring. And making them faster just exacerbated the problem. After all, would you rather watch 6 or 8 bikes nose to tail with frequent passing or the F1 parade?
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Mar 27, 2018 - 03:34pm PT
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Hamilton, in November of the 2017 season, holds forth on his expectation for the three engine limitation for 2018:
What he thinks shouldn't come as much of a surprise! Running his engine in party mode to save it, as Reilly noted. That euphemism just cracks me up!
"We should be able to push more, sprinting is what we're missing in F1."
"If you look at the front guys, they were managing, and that's generally what we are doing when we are in front," said Hamilton.
"I don't think that's exciting for people to watch."
"When it rains, because you don't have those limitations, or the races where Max Verstappen has been coming through the back, those have been the most exciting ones."
"How do we provide that for the future? I'm not sure that cutting down the engines is helping it in that direction."
https://www.eurosport.com/formula-1/f1-s-2018-three-engine-rule-sucks-hamilton_sto6409597/story.shtml
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Niki Lauda holds forth on the three engine limitation:
In light of Formula 1's controversial grid penalty system, Mercedes' Niki Lauda believes next year's rule which will further limit engine usage is a big mistake.
In 2018, Formula 1 will bring down the number of power units a driver can use over the course of a season from 4 to just 3, a move which Red Bull's Christian Horner has highly criticised, believing it will only exacerbate the ridiculous effects of F1's grid penalty system.
Lauda agrees that the scheduled change from 4 to 3 engines is "a mistake by F1's Strategy Group".
"Everyone said that the engines could only be cheaper for customers if we build less," he told Auto Motor und Sport.
"But we have known for a long time now that nothing will be saved with the 3 engines," Lauda added.
"Because the development on the test stands actually costs more."
http://en.f1i.com/news/279570-lauda-blasts-2018-engine-rule-change.html
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Mar 27, 2018 - 04:16pm PT
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Completely burnt my dinner watching the Australia GP
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tradmanclimbs
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Mar 27, 2018 - 04:38pm PT
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just tried to watch a 2017 F1 race. thought I was watching a 00 tie soccer match.....
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TomCochrane
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Mar 27, 2018 - 05:01pm PT
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Most engines and vehicles have very distinct musical resonance tones, allowing them to be identifiable, just like the distinctive harmonics of a musical instrument. For example my Piper Comanche can be identified before you can even hear the engine, from a high pitch note caused by airflow over the special retracted landing gear that I built for it.
One of my NASA Glen engineering friends is a leading expert on worldwide rotating turbo machinery. He can hear a jet overhead and tell without looking the type of aircraft, type of engines, maintenance status of the engines,and sometimes even a specific engine that he has worked on.
It is relatively easy to identify the distinctive exhaust notes of Ferrari 12 cylinder engines. With practice you can even hear gear selection and vehicle speed from engine RPM combined with the notes of chassis resonating wind noise, exhaust tone and gearbox lash noise. Getting in tune with these vehicle songs is a critical aspect of the game for highly competitive drivers with no time to look at console instruments.
This is especially true for pilots, and has become a critical safety degrade for modern aircraft with sound modifying headsets and sonic isolation from engine and air-frame harmonic notes. I've been having recent discussions with one of my NASA friends who is working on commercial airliner stall recovery systems. Pilots use the term 'helmet fire' to describe the vertigo-like sensations of sonic sensory overload in a modern cockpit.
What I remember especially about that 1967 Honda at Watkins Glen was an apparent lack of any fundamental harmonic tones...just a white noise ripping sound...unlike the RPM variable exhaust note tones that we are used to hearing from engines. There was so much going on in the engine, that the resultant high volume white noise was masking all the fundamental components.... rather like a big rocket engine that overwhelms all dimensions of our sensory identifiable sonic components.
I can't verify that my memory of that engine design is all correct from an hour of working on its gear box fifty years ago. However that unique sound it made on the track has stayed with me, just as distinctly as my memory of the first time SpaceX fired off all nine Merlin engines together on the first Falcon 9 rocket in the test stand in Texas, which we were viewing from way too close.
I think of a race engine or a prototype rocket engine as a big bin of random components that gets assembled by an engine wizard. The history books may not accurately depict the resulting engine. I can be wrong about it, but some things tend to stick with you over time ... even if I was mistaken at the time or in my memories ... that's what makes these forum discussions so interesting as a way to tune our knowledge and verify memories.
In the case of that Honda engine, it was just that amazing sound!
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tradmanclimbs
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Mar 27, 2018 - 05:56pm PT
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Bill Alsup had an auto parts store and machine shop in Woodstock VT when I was a teenager. I had the cylenders of my RD400 bored there. He worked on race engins and when he started one up you could hear it all over town!
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Mar 27, 2018 - 07:39pm PT
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That was a very enjoyable post, Tom.
What you are describing is not so dissimilar from something as disparate from motor racing as being a wine connoisseur.
I doubt you are mistaken in your recollection of the Honda engine.
Wikipedia is good, but it's not the end-all reference, especially for something as multivalent, if I might use that term, as motor racing and all the attendant machinery and various tweaks involved.
My father is gone now, but had a mind like a steel trap for such things, and may well have known something about that motor, why it was laying around at the time, so to speak, and why they pressed it into service for that particular race.
And back to your descriptive of getting in tune with exhaust note, gear lash and so forth, as cues to diagnostic work, something all drivers do and did, often by feel, literally by the seat-of-the-pants, a sophisticated racecar representing essentially a symphony of vibrations which can be selected and interpreted (Phil Hill being one of the best at reading and saving the machine), there is a parallel.
As Turn Marshalls, my dad and his buddies definitely used anticipatory skills, and those auditory signals were among them. Visual cues were also helpful in terms of anticipating oncoming drivers, with whatever particular challenges they might independently represent. So, for instance, it was helpful to know exactly what all the different headlight configurations looked like in a field comprising a variety of makes when anticipating an oncoming car, IIRC, more pertinent to endurance racing when assessing oncoming cars at night.
Cheers,
Roy
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BruceHildenbrand
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Mar 27, 2018 - 09:46pm PT
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Without a doubt the most impressive Honda engine is the one that was in the McLaren F1 cars the past three years. If the chassis hadn't been such a dog.....:-)
Nice to see the boyz way up in qualifying with the Renault power plants.
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TomCochrane
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Mar 27, 2018 - 11:36pm PT
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One of my back burner projects was restoring a 1973 Corvette basically from scratch. I happened to find a trashed frame in a pasture with no engine or transmission and only shreds of the fiberglass body. It sat in my garage for years while I picked away at it, building up a four-bolt block 350 engine from a bare block and restoring all the body work and interior. I am no engine wizard, but I rebuilt that engine four times before deciding I was sort of happy with it. When I finally had it all finished, it would definitely get up and go... I drove it around for a while and then got bored with it, being as I am more partial to Lotus. There was a young man working with our marine salvage company who was all gaga about the Corvette, so I bartered it off to him.
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Mar 28, 2018 - 08:32am PT
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Lars H Christensen's Lamborghini Espada S3 V12, blue printed, upgraded and etc.
'Love this guy's work! Check the bit where he runs it with different exhaust pipe configurations, 6 into 1 per bank & 12 into 1.
Talk about some beautiful sounds ...
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Part 1 shows the original startup after 32 years, where he discusses some of his worthwhile, engine critical ancillary mods:
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An articulating lift he used to position the V12 monster into the engine bay:
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And the finished project!
Lamborghini Espada Evoluzione.
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Garden-variety Lamborghini Espada for comparison:
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WTF, let's go for a tour in a stock Espada on the Route Napoleon:
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Route Napoleon,:
https://www.ultimatedrives.net/top-10-roads/details.php?route_ID=100009
In contrast with the mountain passes this route is more designed for speed and the ability to really appreciate the performance of the car. The advantage of the Route Napoleon is that it is much the same smooth rhythm from beginning to end, so you can appreciate any part of the road without needing to confine yourself to one specific part. The smoothness of this route makes it a fantastic driving experience for anyone, which along with the scenery makes for a truly thrilling driving experience with many photo opportunities.
Could almost get on topic here, with a detour to the Verdon!
We recommend coming off the route Napoleon towards the “gorge de verdon”, a French version of the Grand Canyon, at over 730M up you can see down into the gorge, a fantastic experience at 40km from the route Napoleon.
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guyman
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Mar 28, 2018 - 10:49am PT
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Tom, fabulous story.... one of those forks in the road decisions. You picked “the woman”. What if you had gone racing? One never knows.
Roy, thanks for posting all this, gives me hours of entertainment.
One of the saddest days of my life was the day Jim Clark died. I was 14 and In love with fast cars, the Drivers, and Jim Clark in particular. I was going to my first ever Formula Car race, F2 in this case and Clark was entered. I went with one of my neighbors. A young Army captain who lived downstairs from me who owned a 911s... we blasted to the track from Stuttgart in a light rain, going faster than Dad ever drove. It was so cool to see Jimmy going by lap after lap and then nothing.... just a huge plume of smoke rising from the forrest.
That was how it went back in the day, here than gone.
I’m so happy to see increased safety measures have put a end to the death spot era in motor racing.
It would be nice if we could get professional TV broadcast.
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Mar 28, 2018 - 12:09pm PT
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It would be nice if we could get professional TV broadcast. Ho Man!
When Reilly and I were picking up the pieces from the coverage of last weekend's race, I totally forgot to bring that up: what about Leigh Diffey, David Hobbs, Steve Matchett, and Will Buxton?!
I was kind of in denial, thinking I just missed the pre-and post race shows, as an aspect of the usual fallout from not watching the race live.
Totally bummed about the loss of this team. From Road & Track, November 2017:
Based on the information shared by ESPN, U.S. F1 fans will lose the studio experience altogether as a new U.K.-based broadcast team is assembled--one that's unaffiliated with the beloved British Sky Sports F1 group--to deliver a generic international feed in its place. NBCSN's in-depth pre- and post-race shows filled with interviews and analysis are also expected to be lost after Leigh Diffey, David Hobbs, Steve Matchett, and Will Buxton sign off from Abu Dhabi this weekend.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a13914932/the-end-of-an-american-motorsports-broadcasting-institution/
I'm shattered !!!
I NEED those guys. Not to mention I used to watch David Hobbs race, so that was a special treat to see him all these years later.
They are to commentating in motor racing what Martina Navratilova, Paul Annacone, the brothers McEnroe & Chrissie Evert are to tennis commentating.
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Something MUST be done. I'm taking to the streets over this one! Who's with me?
While we are at, we can lobby to bring back the Grid Girls. Ha!
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BruceHildenbrand
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Mar 28, 2018 - 12:47pm PT
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I thought Martin Brundle was OK. What the old team(Diffey/Hobbs/Matchet) really needed was someone who drove F1 after the birth of Christ. The cars are so different, even from year-to-year, that the team needed someone with recent racing experience.
I spent some time with Jarno Trulli and Jenson Button(they are both big cyclists) and their descriptions of what it takes to drive an F! car were very interesting and enlightening.
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Mar 28, 2018 - 12:51pm PT
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Yep, I liked the old announcing team except that I didn't really like Matchet anymore. He was just so out of date and so wrong so often that I had learned to tune him out. Hobbs and Diffy were great though. And Will still shows up on the Sky/ESPN coverage.
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guyman
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Mar 28, 2018 - 06:08pm PT
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The announcers were the worst I have ever suffered through, and that’s counting th boys who comment on Indy car.
The go kart races have better announcers, much better. Tune in EKN... Rob Howden is a really good one, he is working his way up the ladder and is now calling the shots for Indy lights, pro-mazda and F2000.... He is a real pro. At the Kart races I do I’m pretty busy lining up the karts. I listen in on his channel..... It’s just like watching.
Tell ESPN they scored an F.
So now I need to find the Sky-sports coverage, or maybe the Brazilian feed so I can watch without the headache.
I do like the new drivers, most of them seem to have paid their dues. Look for Brendon Hartley to do good things.
Roy, keep up the good work!
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Reilly
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Mar 30, 2018 - 01:37pm PT
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I had a Tarbuster sighting in Breck!
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Winemaker
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Mar 30, 2018 - 06:07pm PT
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If one wanted to, one could go to this site and watch the British Sky broadcast live, including all practices and qualifying, but that would be illegal. I haven't been watching races here for four years, and will continue not to. One might have to fiddle with the feeds, but that's not my business.
https://www.vipbox.st/
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BruceHildenbrand
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I found this photo from Jenson Button's win at Hungary in 2006!
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tradmanclimbs
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I absolutely love the Motogp announcer. Absolutely Brilliant!
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BruceHildenbrand
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This accident looked horrific on TV. I don't know what's up with Ferrari's pit release system. BTW, it appears that this accident actually caused Ferrari to change Vettel from a 2-stop to a 1-stop strategy and he ended up winning the race. Bittersweet.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/43693181
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I saw that happen when I watched the race this morning, but they didn't play back the accident, and I just saw one of the pit crew guys hit the ground, and it wasn't immediately clear via what kind of contact with the car.
F*#king awful!
I missed qualifying again, but apparently this was the second pit incident of the weekend for Ferrari.
And I was wondering why Vettel wound up only doing one stop, after all the talk they made of him doing a two stop strategy, thereby enabling more of an attack approach, versus the Hamilton long game, one stop strategy. (If I have that right).
Thanks for clearing that up.
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Reilly
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Apr 14, 2018 - 10:08am PT
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Has Ferrari found the secret sauce? The tifosi are partying hard.
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Apr 14, 2018 - 10:18am PT
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Reilly
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Apr 14, 2018 - 10:34am PT
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Yes, Tar’s photo is definitely not from a NASCAR race.
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Tarbuster
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Apr 14, 2018 - 11:37am PT
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Yeah,
The Tifosi are dancing in the moonlight & Ferrari are second to none for the time being!
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JOIN THE BOYS
Are you for or against us
We are trying to get somewhere
Looking around for a helping hand
We're doing our best to keep it steady
But it's falling down around us
Blows keep coming fast and strong
I done found another fellow
He agrees with my direction
Arms around each others shoulders we go everywhere
Are you in, are you out
Are you in, are you out
Are you in, are you out
Are you in, are you out
Do you care to dance about and shout
Join Jack and the boys
Be in a band
Doing a one night stand
We'll be dancing in the floodlight
Second to none
Not even on a bad night
Dancing in the floodlight
Second to none
Not even on a bad night
We'll succeed where others failed
Stay together many years
And watch us take the world by storm
Are you in, are you out
Do you care to dance about and shout
Join Jack and the boys
Be in a band
Doing the one night stands
Songwriters: Joan Armatrading
Join the Boys lyrics © T.R.O. Inc.
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Okay, may have been more fitting if Brabham were fielding cars and had won the first two races!
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Apr 14, 2018 - 10:16pm PT
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This guy is annoying.
I swear his jaw offset was cloned from Jay Leno.
But he is detail oriented, the first 9 minutes covering driver/cockpit interface, like if you had more money than sense, and you were up for a test drive.
And being neither, (okay, maybe the test drive part) I still find these performance car look-see/vignettes entertaining.
The actual test drive doesn't occur until 19 minutes and it's pretty much a bore:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
So unless you want to niggle around with driver interface, amenities, and price and that guy's subjective analysis, try the Jay Leno treatment:
Where you can see the 918 Spyder on the road, and get an interview with one of the car's development test drivers, where he and Jay discuss sidebar issues like the 918's 70 mile per gallon gas consumption and so forth, PLUS a much better technical overview (887 hp) and review other performance oriented details, such as aerodynamics, reduction of lift, downforce, four-wheel steering, and its notoriety as fastest production car in the world today:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Apr 14, 2018 - 10:42pm PT
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Or you can view a lap of the Nürburgring from inna 918 and dispense with the frew frew. 🤪
Although the Lambo Huracan Performante now holds the record IIRC.
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Apr 14, 2018 - 11:00pm PT
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The other day, I was watching a vintage Porsche 917 driver POV at the 'Ring. Okay, so I noticed the c*#kpit looked a little weird, but whatever ...
Got all the way through it before somebody pointed out it was all being played out in some guy's bedroom while looking at three monitors!
A fool and his YouTube allotment are easily parted!
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PUAKO, BIG ISLAND Kohala Coast
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Apr 15, 2018 - 02:43am PT
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Haven’t watched since Senna passed at Imola. He was the best driver of all time winning with an inferior race car, all it took was a little bit of rain to equalize the field, then guts.
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Apr 15, 2018 - 08:26am PT
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Great race last night, glad I stayed up. Really happy to see Ricciardo win.
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Apr 15, 2018 - 08:40am PT
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Yeah, way too many DNFs for him lately.
I'll watch it at 7 PM MST tonight.
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Apr 23, 2018 - 09:05pm PT
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OK, you knuckleheads, here’s 3:35 of motorhead mania.
Crank the volume and shut the door!
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I can see myself putting money down on one of these. I mean it’s like 2.5 Buicks!
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Apr 24, 2018 - 04:52am PT
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Yeah, knucklehead will do. Gearhead works even better.
I can see myself putting money down on one of these
Well, I don't have that kind of money, even the one Buick kind, or any kind for that matter, but I can see putting my foot down on one of those things.
Or putting my foot into it, to be more accurate!
Interesting POV. Seems like the camera is set a bit below the driver's sight line.
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Apr 24, 2018 - 10:27am PT
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Well, Roy, yer getting a ZR1 would be a moot point I would think. If you rolled up to the Salto in one I would expect you’d be met with pitchforks and tar. 😉
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Apr 24, 2018 - 10:38am PT
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Tar, maybe, baby: yes!
One day, parked right at the corner of the block where Salto stands, I saw a Lamborghini, and yes, an actual Maclaren, and some other wedge shaped exotic.
A handy triumvirate for your Matchbox set!
Somewhere in the neighborhood is a guy with a red 70's Lotus Esprit.
One of those models where the drive belts would get all tangled up. IIRC, they were prone to overheating as well.
WTF: what's an exotic without headaches?
(answer: a Corvette!)
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Apr 24, 2018 - 11:31am PT
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OCD alert!
Just got all my old man's dash plaques polished up and recorded.
They were handed out to turn workers and racers, but the complementary heirlooms stopped being produced after 1980.
He kept attending races until RIR closed in 1989.
Starting in 1966 and going through 1989, that's 23 years hanging out at turns, waving oil and passing flags, and yanking cars off the road course.
I was 6 years old when he started, but my grandfather introduced him to Riverside before I was born.
Did a few at a time over the last year. Didn't count up a total, but as you can see, he went to a lot of races!
There are about a dozen missing, which I had attached to a plaque made out of black walnut that I made in wood shop, seventh grade, 1972.
Rodger had me rip them all off, and some were pretty rumpled, and got thrown out somewhere along the line.
Most of these are approximately 1.5" x 2.75 " rectangles.
The ones that were destroyed were much larger, and more ornate, thus my idea of applying them to a display plaque.
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Example of his first race working as a turn Marshall at Santa Barbara, in 1966.
An interesting one from the San Diego region, Holtville, and the last from Riverside, in 1980:
Rodger McClenahan Road Racing Dash Plaques
(conferred to turn marshals and drivers)
1966
1966 American Road Race of Champions, Riverside International Raceway (RIR)
1966-7-23/4 National Championship Point Road Races, CSCC Region, SCCA, RIR
1966-8-13/14 Regional Sprint Races & 6 Hour Enduro, CSCC Region, SCCA, RIR
1966-9-3/4 Santa Barbara Road Races, 26th Running
1967
1967 The Times Grand Prix, FIA, SCCA, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1967-4-21/23 USRRC & Regional Point Races, Stardust international Raceway, Las Vegas
1967-4-29/30 USRRC & Regional Point Races, RIR
1967-7-1/2 Regional Sprint Races & 6 Hour Enduro, CSCC Region, SCCA, RIR
1967-8-5/6 National Championship Point Road Races, CSCC Region, SCCA, RIR
1967-9-16/17 Trans American Championship & Regional Races, RIR
1967-10-21/22 First Pacific Invitational Grand Prix, San Diego Region
1967-11-10/12 Stardust Grand Prix, Stardust International Raceway
1968
1968-2-24/25 National and Regional Point Races, CSCC Region SCCA, Stardust Raceway Las Vegas
1968-4-26/28 USRRC & Regional Championship Point Races, RIR
1968-8-3/4 National Championship Point Races, CSCC Region, SCCA, RIR
1968-8-31/9-1 Santa Barbara Road Races, 29th Running
1968-6-1/2 Willow Springs Regional Point Road Races, CSCC Region SCCA
1968- 11-22/24 5th American Road Race of Champions, RIR
1968 The Times Grand Prix, FIA, CSCC Region SCCA,RIR
1968- 12-7/8 Holtville Road Races
1969
1969-4-12/13 Holtville International Raceway Aerodrome, San Diego Region
1969-4-19/20 Regional & Continental Championship Road Races, RIR
1969-5-31/6-1 Santa Barbara Road Races, 30th running
1969-7-4/6 Enduro & Regional Point Races, Willow Springs
1969-8-2/3 CSCC Region SCCA National Point Races, Willow Springs
1969-9-27/28 National Championship Road Races, RIR
1969 The Times Grand Prix, FIA, CSCC Region SCCA,RIR
1969-10-4/5 Mission Bell 250 & Regional Road Races, RIR
1969-11-9 San Diego Region, Regional Race
1970
1970-2-7/8 Regional Point Races, CSC C Region SCCA,RIR
1970-3-14/15 CSCC Region, SCCA National Point Races, Willow Springs
1970-4-4/5 San Diego Region, Regional Race
1970-4-18/19 California Sports Car Club Regional Championship and Races,RIR
1970-5-29/31 Regional and National Championship Races,RIR
1970 9-18/20 1st SCCA Challenge Cup Road Races, Regional/National, Ontario Motor Speedway
1970-10-3/4 Mission Bell 200 & Regional Road Races, RIR
1970-12-12/13 The Battle at Willow Springs, North vs. South Divisional Showdown
1970 SCCA National, Holtville Aerodrome International Raceway
1971
1971-1-30/31 Holtville, San Diego Region, Aerodrome International Raceway
1971-2-13/15 The President' s Weekend, Regional & National Championship Races, CSC C/SCCA RIR
1971-13/14 The Ides of March, Willow Springs National Point Races, Cal Club/SCCA
1971-3-28 The First Questor Grand Prix, Formula 1 & Formula A Cars, FIA, SCCA, Cal Club, Ontario Motor Speedway
1971-16/18 Regional and National Championship Races, RIR
1971 14th Annual, The Times Grand Prix, Canadian-American Challenge Cup, FIA, SCCA, Cal Club Region, RIR
1971-10-1/3 Mission Bell 200, Trans Am, RIR
1971-10 Monterrey Grand Prix, Can-Am
1972
1972-2-11/13 Regional and National Championship Races
1972-3-11/12 San Diego Region, Holtville Aerodrome International Raceway
1972-4-8/9 Regional Sports Car Races, RIR
1972-4-22/23 CSCC Region SCCA National Point Races, Willow Springs
1972-5-6/7 Continental 5000 Championship, Laguna Seca, SCCA, San Francisco Region
1972-5-27/29 Falstaff American Races, RIR
1972-7-15/16 Regional Championship Races, RIR
1972-8-19/20 Regional Championship Sports Car Races, RIR
1972-9-23/24 L&M Continental 5000, Formula B & Regional Races, RIR
1972 15th Annual, The Times Grand Prix, Canadian-American Challenge Cup, FIA, SCCA, Cal Club Region, RIR
1972-10-13/15 Can-Am, Laguna Seca, SCCA San Francisco Region
1972-11-11/12 The Battle at Riverside Raceway, North vs. South Divisional Showdown
1972-12-9/10 Regional Championship Races, CSC C Region SCCA, RIR
1973
1973-3-17 St. Patrick's Day Parade Cal Club Regionals, RIR
1973-4-1 April Fools' Day Races, Cal Club Region SCCA, RIR
1973-4-15 Wonderful Willow Springs Nationals, Cal Club, SCCA
1973-5-4/5/6 L&M Championship/4 Regional Races, Laguna Seca, SCCA, San Francisco Region
1973-10-12/13/14 Monterrey Castrol GTX Grand Prix, Laguna Seca Raceway, SCCA, San Francisco Region
1973 16th annual Times Grand Prix, FIA, SCCA, Cal Club Region, RIR
1974
1974-7-13/14 Regional Championship Races, CSCC region SCCA, Ontario Motor Speedway
1974-8-17/18 National Championship Races, CSCC region SCCA, Ontario Motor Speedway
1974-9-1 California Grand Prix, CSCC region SCCA, Ontario motor Speedway
1974-9-14/15 Regional Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR 2.55 mile ‘short course’
1974-9-28/29 Regional Road Races, Flagging SCCA San Francisco Region, Laguna Seca
1974-10-5/6 Regional Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, Willow Springs international Raceway
1974-10-11/13 SF regional, SCCA San Francisco Region, Laguna Seca
1974-10-26/27 Formula 5000, IROC, Regional Races, CSCC region SCCA, RIR
1975
1975-3-22/23 Holtville Aerodrome International Raceway, San Diego Region
1975-4-12/13 Thomas Jefferson's Day National Championship Races, Willow Springs Int'l. Raceway
1975-5-23 Fourth Annual American Road Races, Memorial Day, Cal Club SCCA, RIR
1975-7-5/6 National Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1975-8-30/31 Regional Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1975-10-4/5 Regional Championship Races, Willow Springs International Raceway
1975-10-10/12 Monterrey Grand Prix, Laguna Seca, San Francisco Region, SCCA
1975-12-6/7 Regional Championship Races, Willow Springs international Raceway, CSCC Region SCCA
1976
1976-2-14/15 National Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1976-4-10/11 National Championship Races, Willow Springs International Raceway
1976-5-29/30/31 Falstaff American Races, Regional and National Championship Races, SCCA, RIR
1976-7-3/4/5 Riverside Regional & National Championship Races, American Revolution Bicentennial, CSCC Region SCCA
1976-11-6/7 Regional Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1977
1977-1-29/30 Regional Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1977-2-12/13 National Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1977-3-12/13 Regional Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1977-4-9/10 National Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, Willow Springs International Raceway
1977-5-28/29/30 Regional and National Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1977-2/3/4 Regional and National Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1977-9-17/18 Regional Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1977-10-15/16 The Pepsi-Cola California Grand Prix, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1978
1978-1-28/29 Regional Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1978-2-11/12 National Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1978-5-27/29 USRRC, National and Regional Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1978-7-1/2 USRRC, Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1978-10-14/15 Regional Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1979
1979-2-10/11 National Championship Races, SCCA, RIR
1979-3-10/11 Regional Championship Races, SCCA, RIR
1979-4-14/15 National Championship Races, SCCA, Willow Springs International Raceway
1979-5-26/28 Bonus National and Regional Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1979-6-30/7-1 National Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1979-10-27/28 Regional Championship Races/IROC--Can Am, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1979-11-3/4 Enduro/Sprint Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1980
1980-1-26/27 Regional Championship Races, Happy New Year, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1980-5-24/26 Bonus National and Regional Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1980-7-4/6 National and Regional Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1980-10-24/26 Budweiser GP Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
1980-11-1/2 Regional Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, Willow Springs International Raceway
1980-11-22/23 Regional Championship Races, CSCC Region SCCA, RIR
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Photograph from my mother's archives, passed down by my grandfather, Charles Fitzsimmons:
Can only imagine it's from Bonneville Salt Flats,
Or some desert dry lake in California, which is more likely.
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Moorpark, CA.
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Apr 24, 2018 - 11:54am PT
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Roy..... Your Father gave a lot back to a sport he loved. Working corners, by volunteering, gets one a great seat.
Did he ever do any F1?
IIRC you mentioned a F5000 race, first "LBGP" maybe?
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Apr 24, 2018 - 12:02pm PT
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Yeah, he did all of the Long Beach races, until he retired.
I went to the first one.
James Hunt & McLaren F1:
For those events, patches were given out:
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Apr 24, 2018 - 06:02pm PT
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Very cool stuff about yer pa, Roy. Thanks for the effort.
BTW, 7 April was the 50th anniversary of Jimmy Clark’s passing. Nice bit on BBC today.
Dunno why they broadcast it today. He was special. In fact, The Times (London) put him as #1 all time. Funny thing, in the recordings they played his accent sounded almost like a BBC presenter’s, not that of a Scots farmer. Anyway, one interview was particularly telling. He said if he wanted to go faster he said he just tried to concentrate harder. Clark achieved 33 pole positions and won 25 races from his 72 Grands Prix starts in championship races. Quite impressive. His gravestone lists him as a farmer first, then a race car driver, per his wishes.
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Apr 24, 2018 - 06:50pm PT
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No doubt, Jim Clark's death broke a lot of hearts!
And I don't just mean the hearts of the crumpets, as Stirling Moss affectionately called the femmes du jour.
Yeah, farmer first, driver second. What a romantic. And an extremely capable one!
($29 on eBay)
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Apr 29, 2018 - 08:01am PT
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Actually had some racing today! Hard luck for Bottas and poetic justice for Lewis after Melboune.
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Winemaker
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Yakima, WA
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Apr 29, 2018 - 01:39pm PT
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Man, you guys stir up some memories. This is from when I ran a race business in Kent, Washington; it was taken at Seattle International Raceway during an IRDC race. That's me on the left; the guy on the right is Bob Boenish, Carl's brother. He used to really help me out running cars at races.
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Winemaker said:
This is from when I ran a race business in Kent, Washington.
So what was the business? I take it you fielded cars?
I bet you have a hell of an archive.
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2018 F1, race #2, Bahrain
The track, Bahrain International Circuit:
The surface of the track is made of graywacke aggregate, shipped to Bahrain from Bayston Hill quarry in Shropshire, England. The surface material is highly acclaimed by circuit bosses and Formula 1 drivers for the high level of grip it offers. The same aggregate material is used at the Yas Marina Circuit for the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.[12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain_International_Circuit
Vettel's 200th GP start
Hamilton's 100th race appearance for Mercedes
Provisional Grid Order (not from my notes of the actual race/unsure if that's exactly how it lined up)
1 Sebastian Vettel - Ferrari
2 Kimi Raikkonen - Ferrari
3 Valtteri Bottas - Mercedes
4 Daniel Ricciardo - Red Bull
5 Pierre Gasly - Toro Rosso
6 Kevin Magnussen - Haas
The race, from my own notes: (beware inaccuracies)
At the start:
Vettel and Räikkönen at the front off the grid. Right off the line, Bottas takes Räikkönen, cars three abreast fairly deep into the field going into those initial turns: gotta love a modern, purpose built race course! Bahrain is apparently a good track for passing: very wide in places.
Verstappen takes Vettel! (From 15th on the grid!) Verstappen soon punctures, then Ricciardo drops out with a mechanical, because that's what he does; crap. After the safety car, lots of passing including triple overtaking involving Hamilton and others.
lap 9, Hamilton is in fourth.
lap 16, Magnussen in his Ferrari powered Haas racing gets Sirotkin in his Williams.
lap 17, Hülkenberg /Renault overtakes Sirotkin, then Alonso.
lap 21 most of the field goes in for tires.
This is the most chaotic thing in modern F1 racing for the spectator: tire stops!
It's like a reshuffle of the deck, and the spectator pretty much has to twiddle thumbs before realizing what the outcome will be. Back in the day, saving tires for the entire race was just part of the job. Times change. Get with it or be frustrated!
Tires have always been one of the critical factors in motor racing.
But it used to be, where open wheel racing was concerned, only Indy cars did tire stops do to the extreme length of the races.
lap 23 Hamilton in the lead.
lap 26 Vettel takes the lead from Hamilton, but does it exiting the pit lane, during the safety car lap.
lap 28 Hamilton goes in for tires, finally.
Mercedes is on the long game, going for just one stop.
Ferrari is on a two stop strategy, opting for a series of sprints and attacks.
lap 34 Vettel in the lead.
lap 36 Räikkönen has an unsafe pit release and a mechanic goes down!!!
(L) rear hadn't been swapped: I missed practice & qualifying, but apparently this was the second pit incident for Ferrari of the weekend.
lap 44 Martin Brundle gives a tires talk, delineating the one-stop versus two stop strategy. (But Vettel never takes his second stop).
(Brundle: F1 driver from 1984-89 & 1991-96, 9 podiums, no wins, no championships, commentator for 21 years)
lap 44 front runners: Vettel/Bottas/Hamilton.
lap 45 Alonso (McLaren) takes Ericson in the Alfa Romeo powered Sauber (didn't note the actual positions).
lap 52 Vettel slowing: interval = Bottas +3.2, Hamilton +11.8
lap 54 Bottas trails Vettel by 1.6 seconds
lap 55 Vettel/Bottas interval 1.051 seconds
lap 56 interval .7 seconds
Last lap, 57, Bottas tries for Vettel in turn one, the prime overtaking spot on the circuit ("Michael Schumacher turn"), but no go.
Ex-Formula One driver (10 wins, no championships) Gerhard Berger waves checkered flag!
Vettel had been on the same tires (yellow) since lap 18. If he hadn't overtaken Hamilton during the safety car lap as he exited the pits, he probably wouldn't have won the race. And he conceded as much after the race.
On the radio, Vettel: "Tires were done for the last 10 laps"
At the podium, or just prior, Vettel said: "At that last 10 laps I said on the radio: everything is under control … And that was a lie! Ha ha!"
Toro Rosso driver Gasly finished well with a pass just before the finish.
Fernando Alonso fourth in the world championships.
Finishing order
1) Vettel
2) Bottas
3) Hamilton (from 9th position on the grid, due to gearbox penalty)
4) Gasly (voted driver of the day)
5) Magnussen
6) Hülkenberg
7) Alonso (encouraging to see Alonso and McLaren creeping forward)
A lap in a Formula One car:
The DRS zone is on the pit straight at the Bahrain Grand Prix (starting 2012), so turn 1 ("Michael Schumacher turn") is the prime overtaking opportunity. The corner itself is incredibly tight; a typical F1 car must brake approximately 100 metres before the corner and shift right down to gear one. The width of the track further adds to the overtaking possibilities.[13] Turns 2 and 3 are flat out and gaining a good exit can set up an overtaking opportunity into turn 4. The straight leading to turn 4 is very long, and the track at the corner itself is incredibly wide, at about thirty metres.[13] Turns 5, 6 and 7 make up a high-speed left-right-left "S" section that leads into turn 8, a right-hand hairpin where taking a wide line can avoid the bump on the apex which unsettles the car.[14] Turns 9 and 10 are very challenging as they are two blind left-handers where cars must brake, downshift and turn simultaneously - they go from 205 km/h in gear 5 down to 63 km/h in gear 1 whilst trying to avoid locking up their inside front tyres.[13] The back straight leads down into turns 11, 12 and 13, a medium-speed complex of corners. Turn 11 is a fourth-gear left hander that leads immediately into the flat-out right hander of 12, then the third gear right-hander of turn 13 which requires a good exit to gain speed down the following straight. It is worth braking quite early for turn 14 to gain speed down the main straight.[14] If you brake about 100 metres before the apex then it is easy to keep it tidy through the slow right hander and you can also put the power down early, and gain speed all the way through turn 15 and the main straight (which is the DRS zone).
The lap record (which only accounts for laps set in a race) on the current layout of the Grand Prix circuit was set in 2005 by Pedro de la Rosa at 1:31.447,[1] in what was the only fastest lap in his 104-race career.[15] Michael Schumacher set a faster time of 1:30.252 at the 2004 edition of the race, but alterations to turn 4 of the track meant that it was counted as a different layout from 2005 onwards.[1] The fastest time ever set at the track was produced by Sebastian Vettel during qualifying for the 2018 edition at 1:27.958, beating the previous record by Valtteri Bottas, set during qualifying for the 2017 edition (1:28.769).[16] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain_International_Circuit
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“Hey, Fernando, whaddya coming in for? Ayrton woulda stayed out and raced!”
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It was pretty amazing that he actually got that thing into the pit box. Then to take that wreck back out and finish 7th was spectacular.
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May 13, 2018 - 07:57am PT
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Bravo Lewis! The Merc team had it dialed in, which doesn’t bode well for il Scuderia.
“I couldn't have done it without this incredible team, I'm really proud of everyone. I felt this synergy with the car and I hadn't felt that this season.”
Verstappen is one talented idiot.
I would love to see Alonso in a competitive car.
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Race #5, Barcelona
Grid:
Hamilton
Bottas
Vettel
Raikkonen
Verstappen
Ricciardo
Magnussen
Alonso
Initial lap: Magnussen got out of shape. Just behind Mag, Grossjean lost it, big smokescreen from his tires caused a melee: Grossjean, Gasly, Hulkenberg out.
Lap 16/66: Hamilton +6.9 seconds to Vet/Bot/Rai/Ver/Ric
Lap 17/66: Hamilton +7.8 seconds
Lap 17/66 Vettel = first to stop for tires
Lap 20/66 Bottas = tires
Bottas pitstop = 3.5 seconds/loses place to Vettel
Lap 22/66 Ham/Rai/Ver/Ric/Vet/Bot
Lap 24/66 Hamilton has 17 seconds on Raikonnen
Lap 25 Raikonnen out: failure of his second engine of the season
Lap 30/66 Leclerc & Alonso battle for 10/11
Lap ~31/66 Ericsson & Sainz Battle for 8/9
Lap 34/66 Ricciardo = tires 2.3 seconds (About as quick as it gets, have we seen 2.1 or 2.2?)
Lap 35/66 Sirotkin & Ocon battle for last place 15/16
Lap 41/66 Ocon out = virtual safety car
Lap 42/66 Vettel = tires/5.6 second stop/loses place to Bottas & Verstappen
Lap 43/66 Alonso overtakes leclerc
Lap 47/66 Vandoorne out
Lap 56/66 Ricciardo/5th place = 119.093 lap record
Lap 59/66 Perez overtakes Leclerc
Lap 62/66 Ricciardo/5th place = 118:441 lap record
Lap 65/66 Hamilton interval =
Bottas +19.080
Verstappen +6.575
Vettel +2.040
Ricciardo +20.212
From the start, Hamilton pretty much ran away with the race.
Finishing order:
Hamilton
Bottas
Verstappen
Vettel
Ricciardo
Magnussen
Sainz
Alonso
How about the teammate solidarity between Hamilton and Bottas?
At the finish, Hamilton telling Bottas that he might have changed his line at the first turn, thereby pulling Bottas into his slipstream to keep them both together ahead of Vettel. Far different from how he got along with ... golly, I've already forgotten the name of his German teammate from years past! Ha ha! Oh yeah ... Nico Rosberg.
I bet Vettel and Ferrari were pissed off: going for that 5+ second tire change during the virtual safety car on lap 42 and losing the podium as a result!
He'd had the oldest tires in the race, all the way back from lap 17/66.
Also interesting to see Verstappen doing so well, maintaining a 2-3 second gap ahead of Vettel, and this with a damaged front wing end plate, from his contact with the rear end of one of the Williams at the resumption of the race from virtual safety car. When it's time to race, there's no holding that boy back, even if it's to his detriment!
Alonso's 295th GP
Hamilton's 64th GP victory
Hamilton 1st man to go 30 consecutive points finishes (bumping Michael Schumacher)
Verstappen's 1st podium in seven races
The Spanish Grand Prix (Spanish: Gran Premio de España) is a Formula One race currently held at the Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya in Barcelona. The race is one of the oldest in the world still contested, celebrating its centenary in 2013.
It looked like a fun track to drive, though at the finish, Verstappen said it wasn't so easy to pass on this track.
The circuit is not known to produce copious amounts of overtaking, despite the long straights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_de_Barcelona-Catalunya
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May 27, 2018 - 12:47pm PT
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I could be wrong Cosmic, but I think the primary design is to protect the drivers from loose wheels hitting them, cars getting airborn from hitting the driver and other such incidences. The cars protected the drivers from roll overs already in the body geometry. There might be further design changes, but looks like a good design in the case of safety.
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May 27, 2018 - 08:12pm PT
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Not really a fan of F1 today. That was THE most boring race ever in F1. Leading car is 25% down on power and still no one can pass him. They really need to abandon Monaco and other tracks like it. Congrats to Danny and RB but jesus that was painful to watch!
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May 27, 2018 - 11:06pm PT
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Monaco is mainly about qualifying. It was a lot more exciting BITD when cars exploded and sh!t.
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tradmanclimbs
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May 28, 2018 - 05:11am PT
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I bet if they ran Moto GP bikes on the monaco circuit it would be exciteing enough for you! Even though once Marco gets out front this year he runs away with it but the fights for 2nd and 3rd have been epic with some monster high sides....
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May 28, 2018 - 05:01pm PT
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I hope Indy cars adopt it.
IndyCar is working on a clear windshield sort of thing that, in my opinion, is way more friendly to the fans. I used to drive formula cars; the air hitting you in the face and the bug splatter were always interesting. A nice coating or Rainex and you were good to go in the rain, which was the most fun to drive in.
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May 29, 2018 - 08:17am PT
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I bet if they ran Moto GP bikes on the monaco circuit it would be exciteing enough for you! Even though once Marco gets out front this year he runs away with it but the fights for 2nd and 3rd have been epic
I agree that MotoGP would be better on that track but there would most likely be dead bodies left behind and nobody wants that anymore. MotoGP is THE BEST racing these days, with close racing and the chance for 6 or 8 different people to win races.
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Jun 10, 2018 - 09:18pm PT
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After the first lap that was one boring race! Even the RCAF flyover was boring!
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Jun 10, 2018 - 10:13pm PT
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Reilly likes F1, and some of my photos, so i throw this in:
One of the nicest, most considerate people, you could ever hope to meet.
and, most would agree, the best all around driver.
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Jun 11, 2018 - 06:40am PT
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I think Formula 1 cars have as much in common with ordinary cars as I do compared to Alex or Tommy
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Jun 11, 2018 - 10:53am PT
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Another narrow, claustrophobic track for the Canadian GP.
Looks purpose-built and fun to drive, but not so great to race on. Functionally, hardly any different than tracks such as Long Beach and Monaco.
Barriers run close to the circuit and many experienced drivers have been caught out by them. A particularly famous part of the circuit is the wall on the outside of the exit of the final chicane before the start/finish straight. In 1999 the wall, which bears the name Bienvenue au Québec ("Welcome to Quebec") giving it the nickname "Mur du Québec" (Quebec Wall), ended the race of three Formula One World Champions, Damon Hill, Michael Schumacher and Jacques Villeneuve along with FIA GT champion Ricardo Zonta. Since then the wall has been nicknamed "The Wall of Champions". In recent years 2009 world champion Jenson Button (2005) and four time World Champion Sebastian Vettel (2011, during free practice) have also fallen victim to the wall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_Gilles_Villeneuve
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And then, Alonso, on his 300th Grand Prix start, gets the DNF.
The next set of tracks should prove much more exciting!
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Jun 13, 2018 - 11:22am PT
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Some memorabilia from Long Beach Grand Prix:
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Marlow
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Congrats to Verstappen...
If you're searching for the most gifted individual in motorsport today, maybe of all time, here he is: Marc Marquez
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Winemaker
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Nice ones Tarbuster!!! I couldn't find my Long Beach GP stuff, but here's one from long ago; my brother was a pretty famous DJ in Seattle and could get me press passes almost everywhere.
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guyman
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I just love it when the shining star.... gets zero points!!!!
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Marlow
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And the reason why?
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G_Gnome
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Such a hater Keesee. Is it cause he's black or british or just faster than you? ;)
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guyman
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Not a hater at all!!! Lewis just did one of the most thrilling drives of all time!
But I’m sort of rooting for the Red Horse.
The big bad star needs to have its ass kicked every now and then.
What I would love to see is crashtappen and Brendon Hartley switch rides. Crash has had it to easy.
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Jul 22, 2018 - 11:30am PT
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So, so. Hamilton ignores his pit crew and wins coming from 14th place, Vettel proves yet again that under no pressure he just throws it into the wall.
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Jul 22, 2018 - 01:24pm PT
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Sometimes it’s just better to be lucky. Any number of us are a tribute to that.
Lewis is also lucky that he’s damn good.
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Jul 29, 2018 - 05:55am PT
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Mastering the rain in Budapest, Hamilton racks up his 77th pole position.
He says it's the third hardest track to pass at, so let's see if he and Bottas, in second position, can stay out ahead of the prancing horses.
The grid:
Hamilton
Bottas
Räikkönen
Vettel
Sainz (!)
Gasly
Verstappen
Hartley
Magnussen
Grosjean
Alonso
Ricciardo
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Reilly
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Jul 29, 2018 - 08:32am PT
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Hard luck for Bottas. I don't get why they pitted him so early.
Great drive by Ricciardo and Gasly. Kimi must hate being around
his cheerful wife, huh?
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Jul 29, 2018 - 08:34am PT
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Results:
1 Hamilton, 2 Vettel, 3 Räikkönen
Shoot, Verstappen overtook two cars at the start, only to lose his engine soon after. We all wanted to see what he could've done from fifth position.
Ricciardo, with a bad start and from way back in the field, came all the way up to fourth position and got the fastest lap at 1:20.
Bottas, with failing tires, got pinched both by Vettel and Ricciardo.
In the end, not so happy about being Hamilton's wing man, but did a good job of it at any rate.
Ha ha, Reilly, I was thinking the same thing about Räikkönen, The Iceman, having his pissy aura broken by his wife!
He's a piece of work: essentially saying, no, my son wasn't happy about third place, rather he's just always happy! Must be so hard on Kimi! Ha ha! WTF ...
At least we don't have to suffer the Hamilton/Rosberg drama any longer.
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Reilly
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Jul 29, 2018 - 08:56am PT
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Amen, Roy! The Lewis-Nico act put the A in awkward, at best.
I’ve known some Finns. Even seen ‘em laugh, in private. 😉
The Swedes love having them for neighbors cause the Finns make
every Swede look like Robin Williams.
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Aug 14, 2018 - 09:06am PT
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I think Yamaha is making bad choices. Allowing an "old" über-primadonna to grow at its core...
Yamaha’s crisis scenario on Saturday – when its MotoGP project leader apologised to his riders – reflects the kind of troubles the team now faces due to choices made after the return of Valentino Rossi. The first conclusion we can draw from Kouji Tsuya’s extraordinary press conference on Saturday at the Red Bull Ring is that the M1 bike is not at the level it is supposed to be.
During his speech, Tsuya-san apologised several times. But, looking at Yamaha’s results in the 11 grands prix run so far this season, the only obvious outlier is the 14th grid position of Rossi – hence there is some confusion as to why Tsuya chose this weekend to give that kind of public statement.
Yamaha gets hit by the Rossi boomerang: https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/yamaha-valentino-rossi-motogp-boomerang/3158198/?nrt=112
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Aug 14, 2018 - 01:18pm PT
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Sad to see Alonso is finally quitting F1. My bet is he will pursue Indy cars for a year or two to see if he can win the 500.
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Kimi takes pole at Monza!
Do you think he could crack a smile about it? No. But we can only imagine (if dare to) his tight-ass sphincter relaxed a little bit. Ha ha!
As anticipated by Hamilton at Spa, Ferrari have speed.
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Marlow
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And why?
I dunno. Ask someone...
:o()
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Reilly
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Raikkonen's lap of one minute 19.119 seconds meant he averaged 163.793mph. The previous record - 1:19.525 (162.950mph) - was set by Juan Pablo Montoya in a Williams in 2004.
Vettel was not happy, saying "we speak after" as his engineer told him the result. The German declined to elaborate when asked to say what he meant.
I’ll tell ya what he meant -
“I’m a pissy wanker without class.”
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Tarbuster
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Lots of racing intrigue – and racing, at Monza today!
Congrats to Kimi, a class act, for his 100th GP podium, blistered tires and all.
Yes, Lewis: with your fifth Monza win, matching Schumacher, we still believe in you!
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Reilly
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HELLA RACE! LEWIS IS DA MAN! But I do feel for Kimi. He’s got class.
Gli tifosi italiani sono il migliori!
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Interesting post-race analysis by Nico of the different treatments of team orders between Ferrari and Mercedes: Ferarri foregoing implementation of them and Mercedes using them to good effect.
I felt, as a spectator, Ferrari not asking Räikkönen to defer to Vettel was a positive, leaving the man to run his own race.
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Reilly
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Yes, good talk between Damon Hill and Nico. It was also nice to see Rosberg giving Lewis his props.
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Tarbuster
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I also liked seeing Nico say good things about his old friend, rival & teammate. And, we'll miss Alonso.
Too bad he didn't get a better ride here at the end of his F1 career. He's admirably contained when questioned about these things.
There's an excellent article in July 2018 issue of Motor Sport, page 94: DECLINE and FALL, Mark Hughes explains how and why McLaren's F1 team fell into such disarray.
https://shop.motorsportmagazine.com/product/backIssueView/backIssue/MSM9407/july-2018
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Reilly
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They don’t come any classier than Fernando.
And then there’s Verstappen... 😽
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Tarbuster
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I dig Verstappen!
For his age, he's actually very well spoken & sharp as a tack. No doubt, Max possesses a very high intelligence quotient.
Now his track manners are ... You got it: catty!
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Reilly
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Sep 30, 2018 - 06:27am PT
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What a race today even if it was a confirmation of the corporate Teutonic reality of racing today. The pundits’ proclamation that Sochi is a non-passing track was made to look silly, especially by Mad Max and Lewis’ brilliant pass of Seb. Valtteri is such a class act and it was nice to see Lewis and Seb give him his due. I gotta give a shout out to Sky Sports’ David Croft and Paul di Resta. They are a fantastic team. How they manage such witty acumen at such a pace is truly impressive. And speaking of pace the aerial shots today really give you an appreciation of the true pace of those cars. 155-160 mph around that big sweeper? Are you kidding me?
And did ya notice that Seb dodged Putin in the warm down room meet and greet? Talk about the 800 pound gorilla in the room! Lewis and Val were polite but not exactly effusive. 😉
Now on to racing in a typhoon at Suzuka! 🤪
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Tom Bruskotter
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Yeah. Great race. Agree about the commentary. I was bummed when the old NBC Matchett, Hobbs, Buxton crew was replaced. But the Sky crew IS cracking! Verstappen's rush through the field was amazing. Hamilton's pass on Vettel was nice. After the race Vettel didn't really have a good explanation - "I didn't see him in my mirror coming up behind me" or something like that. Bottas is a great guy and a great driver. Such class.
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Suzuka!
Now that we have emerged from the series of claustrophobic parade lap tracks, we can breathe again!
Okay, I did see Mad Max (good one, BTW, Reilly) plow through the lineup at Sochi. Fell asleep for everything else, including the checkered flag AND the podium, WTF. Such a punter.
And I agree with the snappiness of the commentary. Moving forward now; no more looking back ...
'Love this circuit: old school, lots of swoopy, snaky turns and plenty of elevation change.
Stingy Lewis Hamilton has taken five out of the last six races.
Pecking order after practice: Hamilton, Vettel, Räikkönen, Verstappen, Bottas, Ricciardo. Alonso 17th, for f*#k's sake. Verstappen not particularly happy with his set up, though faster than Ricciardo, which he said was irrelevant. That's our boy! Hülkenberg stuffed his ride into a barrier, ending the session.
Psyched! Buckled into my five point harness for another glorious full frontal assault, couch potato style weekend of F1 – one of many owing to chronic inactivity from multiple tendinopathies, achilles issues being the worst, having brought my walking program to a standstill.
No worries: with a mondo raft of Little Debbie's snack cakes on hand, a maxi funnel loaded with popcorn, and a case of cherry cola (my favorite flavor) in the pipeline, I should be on pace to have the man boobs down around my ankles in time for Abu Dhabi & the holidays!
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Reilly
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Good to see the Ferraris have picked up the pace in Practice 2 to make it interesting.
Lewis is in rare old form though. But the weather could have the last word, eh?
Of course Lewis don’t mind a bit of the old slippy either, does he?
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Yes, rain in Suzuka for qualifying. Especially in Q3. And Hamilton's form, as you noted, Reilly, so dialed it's a thing of beauty.
Hamilton's 79th pole position. Then Bottas, Verstappen, Räikkönen… Vettel 9th!
So touch and go with the weather; Ferarri and especially Vettel just lost out on that dance.
Verstappen's 11th consecutive qualifying ahead of Ricciardo, whose car broke ... again!
Unbelievable to watch Hamilton and Mercedes thread the eye of the needle in Q3, slipping right through the weather on the right tires at the right time.
Not quite so for Bottas, but with Mercedes 1-2, no regrets.
Earlier on, Marcus Ericsson stuffed his car into a barrier and Charles Leclerc performed a picture-perfect spin on the glass.
I much enjoy seeing the competitive goodwill between Hamilton and Verstappen. There is good company at the top positions right now, with genuine esprit de corps in evidence.
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Barring a nasty rain induced incident it is looking like the rest of the season will be a well deserved prolonged victory lap for the Silver Arrows and further confirmation of Lewis as one of the top five drivers ever. I aver that he surpassed his hero Senna long before this season by virtue of his superior level headedness and efficiency. Of course it doesn’t hurt that he is backed by a team embued with those Teutonic virtues. My very modest Italian vocabulary is lacking the equivalent for ‘efficiency’. Is there one?
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Marlow
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According to google - efficienza. He is numero uno ever. If Lewis Hamilton were a scientific experiment, the score would be very high on both validity and reliability...
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Tarbuster
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Or if we simply rely on euphemism, Midas touch works nicely.
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Marlow
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Midas was king of Phrygia. In return for a good deed, he was granted one wish by Dionysus. He asked for the power to turn everything he touched into gold. When he discovered that his touch had turned his food, his drink and his daughter to gold, he begged Dionysus to take back the gift. Dionysus agreed to do so. When "Midas touch" is used, the moral of the tale is usually ignored. :o)
I think Hamilton is less greedy today than he was some years ago. He is more of a teammate and his expertise as a driver is greater...
Competition has two elements: 1. Doing your own thing well - expertise as driver. 2. Making the competitors bad, psychological war.
In Hamilton's case the first element is now nearly the only element. i like that...
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Tarbuster
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Touché, Marlow.
Only the lazy, colloquial usage of the set up (part one) of the tale holds true in Hamilton's case. And I like the way you put that together.
Race coming up shortly.
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Japan: Hamilton within comfort zone once again on top...
In MotoGP: Marquez had to fight hard for Thailand...
And off topic - MMA: Nurmagomedov dominated completely during the fight with McGregor...
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Reilly
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Exciting finish between Bottas and Mad Max. Amazing how quickly Bottas pulled away both times Max got within sniffing distance.
Are Japanese fans the best or what? You know they’re the most polite!
As Lewis said Suzuka is the very best track.
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Lots of action in that race and plenty to unpack!
Vettel sure got a fantastic start. Then contact between Verstappen and both Ferrari. Three 5 second penalties throughout the race: Verstappen, Alonso, and Stroll.
Toward the end it looked like with Bottas' tire problems and lockups, Verstappen maybe had a chance to take second on the podium.
Tons of overtaking happening throughout the race, always good for spectating and the sport.
Here's a concept: however they qualify, it seems Mercedes, Ferrari, and Red Bull teams could have all of their drivers handicapped at the back of the entire pack for the start, and they would still come out at the end of the race ahead of the rest of the pack!
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Oct 27, 2018 - 11:05am PT
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Formula One: Austin Texas!
Missed it last week, but they just replayed it …
Kimi wins!
113 races since his last win in Australia, 2013
Most successful Finnish driver: (21? F1 wins)
His 50th podium for Ferrari
At 39 years old, the oldest driver since Nigel Mansell (?) to win an F1 race (1994)
Broke the record for the longest stretch between F1 wins
Right at the end, Hamilton sure put in some exciting bids to get by Verstappen in second place to clinch the driver's championship. But no dice. Hamilton third.
Vettel did actually get by Bottas, taking fourth.
Ricciardo DNF again! Oh my...
What a fantastic track:
Circuit of the Americas seems to be tailor-made to test handling and extract G force. You can really see the inside front tires becoming unweighted on some of those corners.
Watching qualifying for Mexico City now.
Ricciardo just set the track record in Q1. Alonso got way out of shape & almost wrecked catastrophically, passing Vandoorne in the process and saving it.
Q2: Ver, Ham, Vet
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Oct 27, 2018 - 12:16pm PT
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Mmm-kay … That was exciting!
Sure looked like Verstappen was going to be the youngest pole-sitter.
Then Ricciardo had the fastest sector just before their final shootout.
After 7 DNFs this year, he nabbed it!
Red Bull's 60th pole position
Q3:
Ricciardo
Verstappen
Hamilton
Vettel
Bottas
Räikkönen
Afterward, Max shook Daniel's hand, then Lewis followed suit.
Next, Hamilton took a good look at the cockpit of Daniel's car …
I love F1 technology: it seems like every other race the fenestrated aerodynamic sculptures of those front wings get a tuneup.
It's really fun to see all of the detail on the cars in the pits, not to mention all the ancillary gadgets that get attached to the cars while they are being tweaked.
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Oct 27, 2018 - 01:28pm PT
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Having studied some aerodynamics, enough to not be dangerous, and knowing one of the world’s most famous aerodynamicists (he has three of his designs in the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum) I find those ‘fenestrations’ too cutesy and likely over-designed. In particular I question whether the drag they engender at lower speeds is compensated for by their high speed worth. The main question though is that how can all those little pieces not develope a lot of ‘intersection drag’? That is a major concern on fighters, which is why they tend to look ‘clean’, although Mach 2 is many orders of magnitude greater than 350 kph.
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G_Gnome
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Oct 27, 2018 - 08:28pm PT
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But fighters don't sit on the ground. And they don't try to follow each other around. If they didn't work they wouldn't be there. Newey in particular is probably the best at this time and while the red bull is slightly different then the rest it isn't significant.
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Oct 28, 2018 - 05:31am PT
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You mean like the front wing cascades and stuff?
The designer is trying to produce both downforce and groups of vortices which combine together to make airstreams going under the car, around the suspension components, into the brake cooling ducts, the radiators and whatever else they want. And get it all to function at both slow and high speeds and in clean or dirty air.
Aircraft designers have it easy, nobody stops them making whatever they want and they are allowed moving parts!
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Oct 28, 2018 - 07:33am PT
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A lot of the aero package is designed to move air over and around the cars, hence all the dirty air behind the car making drafting difficult to manage the air over the following car. Down force is critical to keeping cars on the track in blazing turns, the drag reduction system built into the rear wing is about the only thing on the car that allows for "adjustment" of air flow control while moving on the track. Ever notice how sometimes if the front wing is damaged...it has little effect in car performance? Those winglets move air over the car. There is obviously much more to the aero packages, but a lot of effort is put into getting all the air over and behind the car. Hoping for a good race today.
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Reilly
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Oct 28, 2018 - 10:12am PT
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You mean like the front wing cascades Yes, those are my main beef. Overly complicated and ‘draggy’. Just because everybody is doing it doesn’t mean it is right or that simpler would not be better. Over-design is a constant problem in so many things as designers try to justify their existence. Good design is the simplest design. I know these guys are smart and have all the coolest toys, it’s just that those fussy widgets are counterintuitive.
groups of vortices which combine together
‘Vortices’ are drag, pure and simple - no ifs, ands, or buts. They are the result of what I referred to previously as ‘intersection drag’. The reason that airliners have winglets is to diminish wingtip vortices - huge drag factors.
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Oct 28, 2018 - 12:02pm PT
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No Reilly, you have studied enough to be dangerous.
They know what they are doing!
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Oct 28, 2018 - 01:06pm PT
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Good design is the simplest design What was it Colin Chapman said ... Add lightness?
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Oct 28, 2018 - 09:03pm PT
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The start in Mexico City was entertaining, with Max AND Lewis ripping past Daniel on pole.
When it was stated that this track has the longest straight before turn one, I was thinking Mercedes might do some leapfrogging at the start.
Overall, though, this race was not as exciting as last year's Mexican GP.
Then … those delicate aerodynamic widgets we were just discussing, instantly turning into carbon fiber confetti when they get nicked, and some of that day-brie getting sucked up by Alonso's car and costing him his race.
I guess Verstappen and the Red Bull chassis are suited to that track: with his second Mexican GP win, and well ahead of the other cars each time – at just south of 20 seconds last year and somewhere near 15 seconds this year ahead of second-place, and this time with his car just limping in, he ain't complaining.
Hamilton, even with poor tires and subpar performance from Mercedes overall, gets his fifth world championship!
Verstappen's fifth podium in seven races.
Ricciardo, however, with his 8th DNF this season, has to be beyond furious.
Two races to go …
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Oct 29, 2018 - 03:04am PT
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Yes, those are my main beef. Overly complicated and ‘draggy’. Just because everybody is doing it doesn’t mean it is right or that simpler would not be better. Over-design is a constant problem in so many things as designers try to justify their existence. Good design is the simplest design. I know these guys are smart and have all the coolest toys, it’s just that those fussy widgets are counterintuitive.
‘Vortices’ are drag, pure and simple - no ifs, ands, or buts. They are the result of what I referred to previously as ‘intersection drag’. The reason that airliners have winglets is to diminish wingtip vortices - huge drag factors.
Good design is one which gives the best results for the required parameters, "simplest" is just trite rubbish.
Vortices are a useful tool for flow designers, there are plenty of applications where they are essential for the function of the device.
F1 designers aren´t interested in only reducing drag, they need the correct balance of downforce, drag and airflow. The front wing is vitally important as it is the only area where the designer can get undisturbed air and direct it around or through the rest of the car and the cascade is the only part of the wing available for them to control the entire airflow (the middle of the wing must be neutral).
Clearly simpler isn´t better, look at how complicated the cascade is on a Red Bull and then on the rubbish that drives round at the back.
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Nov 11, 2018 - 12:16pm PT
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My notes from the Brazilian Grand Prix, 2018.
Autódromo José Carlos Pace a.k.a. Interlagos, looks like a pretty nice, old-school track, laid out over natural terrain with lots of elevation changes and challenging turns.
Lap record from 2017, by Max Verstappen @ 1:11.0
On the grid:
1 Hamilton
2 Vettel
3 Bottas
4 Raikkonen
5 Verstappen
Mercedes 1-2 at the start, with Bottas getting past Vettel, then Verstappen passed Raikkonen, but Raikkonen quickly regained his place from Verstappen.
Lots of action all through the pack in the first couple of laps.
L3: Verstappen again overtook Raikkonen
L4: Max overtook Vettel!
L7: Hamilton, Bottas, Verstappen, Raikkonen, Vettel, Ricciardo (up from 11th)
L 10: Verstappen in second place
L 17: Hamilton leading by 1.8 seconds
L 19: Hamilton first in for a tire change
L 21: Verstappen fastest lap @ 1:13, in first place
L 28: Vettel gets the fastest pitstop I've ever seen @1.9 seconds
L 29: Ricciardo fastest lap @ 1:12.9
L 40: Verstappen overtook Hamilton! Both on new tires, Max on yellow, Hamilton on slightly older whites.
L 43: Vettel defending against Ricciardo
L 44: Verstappen hit by back marker Ocon, trying to un-lap himself on fresher, supersoft tires.
– This is a race defining event for Verstappen, who spun out and sustained damage to this floor.
L 46: Ricciardo overtook Vettel
L 50: Ricciardo 1 second faster than race leader Hamilton (Lewis with his power unit dialed down)
L 57: Hamilton leading Verstappen and Raikkonen. Ricciardo, in fifth, nipping at Bottas in fourth position.
L 59: Ricciardo overtook Bottas
L 63: Ricciardo fastest lap @ 1:11.343
L 65: Bottas, on new tires, fastest lap @ 1:10.845
L 66: Lewis led Max by 2 seconds
L 71: Hamilton took checkered flag, followed by Verstappen, Raikkonen, Ricicardo, Bottas, Vettel.
Hamilton has won 50 out of the 99 turbo hybrid era races.
Mercedes clinches fifth consecutive constructor’s championship.
Driver of the Day: Max Verstappen. He vacated the podium as soon as the corks were popped, then pushed Ocon at the scales, hoping to punch him out!
Can't say that I blame him. Force India actually gave Ocon radio approval for him to try to pass Max, because he was on fresher, stickier tires and had a different race to run.
But stuffing himself into the apex at the expense of the first place runner?
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Nov 11, 2018 - 12:24pm PT
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Ocon is an idiot but Mad Max is still an ass hole.
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Nov 11, 2018 - 12:25pm PT
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And there you have it. Apparently they have history. Sounds like a ... relationship !
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Nov 11, 2018 - 12:54pm PT
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Verstappen has lived in Monaco since October 2015, claiming it was not for tax reasons. Wikipedia
BwaHaHaHa!
Apparently he also suffers from cognitive dissonance in addition to anger issues.
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Nov 11, 2018 - 03:47pm PT
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I wouldn't even call that cognitive dissonance. Just outright BS.
They go there to tax shelter and mingle with all of the other beautiful people and all of their beautiful money.
I enjoyed today's race.
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Nov 11, 2018 - 03:51pm PT
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That were a phunny, sir, if a less than Tar worthy one. 🤡
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Nov 11, 2018 - 04:39pm PT
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What, like you think I have standards?
Now that is funny! Ha ha!
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From Wikipedia, a bit on Interlagos:
One reason why many drivers consider Interlagos interesting is that it was not built on flat terrain, but follows the ups and downs of hilly ground, which makes it harder to drive and demands more power from the car's engines. The hilly course is also a good feature for road cycling races usually held at the circuit.
The circuit is known for its many inclines and formerly bumpy surface, which could take its toll on F1 cars because they have a very low ride height and little suspension travel. The races are therefore very tough on the car, and also physically tough on the drivers, especially since the circuit is anti-clockwise, where the centrifugal forces in the many hard left turns push the drivers' necks to the right, instead of left as in the majority of circuits on the F1 calendar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aut%C3%B3dromo_Jos%C3%A9_Carlos_Pace
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Nov 25, 2018 - 08:34am PT
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F1 2018 final race: Yas Marina – Abu Dhabi
(110 days to go until Melbourne)
Well, Yas Marina is a flat circuit but it has 21 corners!
Starting grid:
Hamilton
Bottas
Vettel
Raikonnen
Ricciardo
Verstappen
Verstappen's engine had a few settings still stuck in safe mode, quickly dropped to 10th at the start.
Hulkenberg & Grosjean clicked at a 90° right-hander: Hulk high sided to the left and we saw the bottom of his car several times until, as a passenger, he was planted in the barrier upside down!
Raikonnen out with a mechanical
Resumption of the Verstappen-Ocon show, with several place swaps
Then, more fun: Verstappen overtook Hamilton …
L 33 Vandoorne/Ocon/Grosjean battle it up, with Vandoorne coming out on top
(commentators note that Vandoorne was quite the go-getter in F3, so happy to see him fighting)
L 36 Ricciardo fastest lap @ 141:249
L 38 Verstappen overtook Bottas, with a healthy bit of front tire contact, Bottas said to have pinched Max – just looked like good old roughhousing to me, all around!
L 39 Ricciardo overtook Bottas (Toto Wolff said Bottas was having LR tire trouble)
L 47 Ocon out
L 49 Gasly out
L 55 Vettel fastest lap @ 140: +
Actor Will Smith waved the checkered flag
Podium:
Hamilton, F1 champion 2018, 11th win of the year, sets a record of 408 points gained in a single season
Vettel +2.581 behind at the finish
Verstappen, fifth straight podium
Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso pulled F1 driver championship formation doughnuts.
Was fun to see Vettel taking selfies with the towel-head grom!
(Hey, don't knock the Arabian headdress: if it was good enough for Race Bannon & Jonny Quest in at least one episode, I'm all about the outfit)
[DNF: Gasly, Ocon, Ericsson, Raikonnen, Hulkenberg]
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Only 2 of 10 teams will have the same lineup in 2019
Alonso out of F1, now pursuing the Triple Crown
Ricciardo, after 100 races & 7 wins with Red Bull, goes to Renault in '19
Leclerc to Ferrari
Where is Kimi going? ... Sauber
Ocon to be Mercedes reserve driver
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And following up with my wee faux pas @ Lewis Hamilton and the Midas Touch, how about this one:
"Years ago when some Vaquero was especially expert in throwing the lazo, handling his reigns or in riding bucking horses, people would say that his reata had eyes, he had a bueno mano, that he was muy horqueta and his saddle did not leak."
From Last of the Vaqueros, Arnold R Rojas
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Question: were will petrochem take us in the 21st century?
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Nov 25, 2018 - 08:47am PT
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An epic season culminated by Anglo/Teutonic precision.
Sad to see one of the greats leave so ignominiously.
Hard to imagine them putting new cars on the starting grid in less than 4 months,
not that they haven’t been working on them for a while presumably.
I doubt Ricciardo will relish his move, but then Italians don’t really use relish, do they?
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Dec 25, 2018 - 08:41am PT
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Great article on Kimi on BBC today. Not sure how to post a link to an app.
Formula 1: Kimi Raikkonen's world is a very different place http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/45239949
“Quite, but what he [Kimi] lacks in words, the Iceman more than makes up for in intrigue and
cold, hard racing. Which is just as well, because if you ask him about his grand plans for the
rest of his life beyond Formula 1...
"I'll get a dog."
BwaHaHaHa! I think I have my favorite quote now, of all time.
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Dec 25, 2018 - 08:48am PT
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I'll get a dog. See that's what it is to be an ex-F1 driver: you go big!
As an ex-climbing guide, the best I could muster was some house plants, which were already under the care of my wife before we were married.
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Feb 28, 2019 - 08:32am PT
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BBC Sport running a bunch of old pics of F1 cars today during testing.
And surely there can be no argument for #1 on the Ugly List:
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Mar 15, 2019 - 08:20pm PT
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Tune in & buckle up motorsports fans!
Melbourne practice on the telly right now.
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Mar 15, 2019 - 09:18pm PT
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So much for the blather about Ferrari being a half second faster.
I knew it was Merc sandbagging. I wonder what Bottas’ prob was.
Kimi’s Alpha must be a dog, huh?
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Mar 16, 2019 - 08:19am PT
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Qualifying first three rows:
Ham
Bot
Vet
Ver
Lec
Gros
Kimi makes the cut for Q1 at #10
Daniel #12
How does that work out for those guys?
Daniel trades chronic DNF for Renault and a better contract?
Williams, with 800 people on their org chart and newbie Russell the apologist.
That's quite an organization and a lot of history – for a street sweeper.
Anyone going to attend an F1 race this year?
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Mar 17, 2019 - 09:30am PT
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Looks like Ferrari have work to do....
Can Verstappen perform consistantly enough to be a threat in a drivers championship race between two Mercedes drivers?
My tip for the constructors title (the only one that really matters), Mercedes. Williams last.
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Mar 17, 2019 - 09:43am PT
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Congrats to Bottas, much deserved... It's hard to get team orders every time you have a chance to win. Now he's building momentum. My best wishes for the next races...
I would be very surprised if Ferrari isn't there in a few races. Good for Red Bull, Verstappen and Honda. Cool to see Sauber/Alfa Romeo in the upper eight. Haas and Kevin Magnussen got a good start.
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Mar 17, 2019 - 12:34pm PT
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Interesting article on BBC Sport by ‘Anonymous Aero-guy’. He supposedly works for one of the teams, probably not Merc or Ferrari, and went into some detail about their different approaches this year. He says Scuderia may have hit upon a setup that could paint them into a corner as the season progresses. He says Merc’s more traditional approach allows more flexibility in tweaking down the road, so to speak. Ferrari’s clearly didn’t pay off today.
Kudos to Valterri. He was smiling up a storm at the end, for a Finn. 😉
Williams should pack it in for the duration. Kubica was lapped on lap 10 or so? 😖
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Mar 17, 2019 - 01:13pm PT
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Just finished watching the NetFlicks series on last years season. Pretty interesting. I was pretty impressed with Daniel Ricardo from Australia. He certainly has the talent and seemed to have the level headedness to last for more than a few seasons. I think having all those young drivers in the mix this year could wind up being problematic. I wish they had included more time to the front runners to give sense of what it took to stay at the top (Ferrari). Lots of "moving parts" to make a team successful. I was disappointed (but nor surprised) that if your daddy is rich then you get a spot on the team. I've never really followed it before but will this year.
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Mar 17, 2019 - 04:54pm PT
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2019 GP Melbourne
As described by one of the commentators, Melbourne is a fast street circuit. What that means to me is very little contour or elevation change. From Wikipedia:
In spite of being a circuit on public roads it has characteristics of a natural road course considering it being fast and flowing combined with extensive runoff in many corners.
None of the turns are particularly spectacular to me. From Wikipedia:
The course is considered to be quite fast and relatively easy to drive, drivers having commented that the consistent placement of corners allows them to easily learn the circuit and achieve competitive times. However, the flat terrain around the lake, coupled with a track design that features few true straights, means that the track is not conducive to overtaking
Clearly, Hamilton owns it (or owned it), this with his 8th pole position overall at Melbourne and 6th pole in a row at Melbourne. (It was his 84th pole position overall.)
But not so fast said Bottas today! This is one track where it is said pole position doesn't readily guarantee a win. He said this win was his best race ever. (This is his sixth year to date since his debut as a driver in Formula One.) With no wins in 2018, he took first place in the last race of 2017 and now the first race of 2019.
At one point during the race I thought I heard Hamilton reporting over the radio something not right with the set up on his handling, but he denied any such issue at the post race interview.
During practice it was noted that Mercedes set its cars up very stiffly, and that combined with the bumpy track was really obvious in practice and qualifying, because Hamilton looked like he was driving over washboard much of the time! The Ferrari were more compliant in their suspension tuning – and this was also visibly evident. When Martin Brundle, or one of the other commentators was asked which suspension set up he preferred he simply remarked: whichever is faster!
Nice to see HAAS fielding their cars as well as they did, qualifying at sixth (Grosjean) and seventh (Magnussen) on the grid, right behind the three dominant teams. Then Magnussen took sixth at the finish, while Grosjean DNF along with Ricciardo and Sainz (McLaren).
Bummer to see Ricciardo lose his front wing after a slight detour onto the grass right at the start, and then DNF at lap 31.
There was some good midfield racing and overtaking throughout, particularly between Kvyat/Toro Rosso and Gasly/Red Bull. It was cool to see Verstappen overtake Vettel for third, granting Honda powerplants their first podium in the V6 era.
McLaren (Norris) 12th, right behind Kvyat and Gasly.
Say, Reilly: we saw some interesting visuals with the vortices coming off of the outside edges of the rear wings. I didn't quite catch why/what that visual phenomenon was all about? I know what it means from an aero perspective, but I don't know why we were actually seeing it. Is that phenomenon visible coming off of the winglets of jet aircraft?
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Mar 17, 2019 - 05:44pm PT
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Tar babe, it is largely a function of humidity. I’ve a cool vid of the condensation track
off the inboard engine of an A380 I’ll post.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
^^^ Kinda amazing to bear in mind we were probably already doing 170 mph just 50’ off the
deck in a 400 ton ride.
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Mar 30, 2019 - 10:42am PT
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Race #2, qualifying at Bahrain
Leclerc takes pole position: becoming the second youngest F1 driver to claim pole position, behind teammate Vettel as the youngest. Leclerc also set the track record, with Sebastian in second position for a Ferrari lockout throughout Q1, Q2, & Q3! Then Hamilton, Bottas, Verstappen behind Ferrari in Q3. My reading indicates in practice that Mercedes was .5 seconds faster in racing conditions. So maybe we will see a race up front?
Kimi 9th on the grid. Alonso now supporting McLaren on the other side of the pit wall, and McLaren doing a bit (?) better overall than we've seen, with Norris taking 4th position in Q1, and the team at 7th (Sainz) and 10th (Norris) in Q3.
Interesting stat: Hamilton has 84 pole positions, equal to that of all of the rest of the field!
Russell still holding up well in front of the microphone as Williams trails behind everyone else.
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Mar 30, 2019 - 10:58am PT
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Was good to see Ferrari running well. Will be interesting to see what Vettal does if LeClerc paces faster and if Ferrari will allow him first seat privilege. I think, what if Ferrari opted to let Vettal go in favor of Kimi. Hope Mercedes isn’t sandbagging, we’ll see race time.
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Mar 30, 2019 - 12:16pm PT
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I like Grosjean, but that dude's gotta get outta the way!
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Mar 30, 2019 - 01:19pm PT
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Yeah, screwing up Norris's lap time was infuriating to see, and then it became apparent we might witness a nasty shunt. It was noted that HAAS (or were they talking about Team Renault by way of parallel example?) doesn't radio their drivers about other cars approaching, preferring to leave them to their mirrors and their own awareness of what's behind them. Might be time to rethink that behavior?
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Mar 31, 2019 - 10:34am PT
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Well, that was quite a race!
Leclerc's podium saved by the bell (safety car), Mercedes reliability winning out over Ferrari speed.
Lots to unpack.
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Mar 31, 2019 - 11:34am PT
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Vettal......spins while being overtaken? My money this year is with LeClerc at Ferrari. Vettal just doesn’t deal with pressure well. The pass on lap 6 by LeClerc was solid, he has a good head. If the turbo energy return system hadn’t failed...Ferrari would have won this session. Thank god for the safety car at the end for Ferrari.
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Apr 12, 2019 - 09:07pm PT
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Fastest at practice in Shanghai: Bottas, Vettel, Leclerc, then Hamilton something like 8/10 back.
Guys started getting out of shape coming out of the last corner, then Albon/Torro Rosso completely lost it and suffered a high-energy impact. They're saying the car probably won't be ready for qualifying: I have a hard time believing it would ever be ready for anything ever!
I like this track: some decreasing radius corners make it look challenging.
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Apr 12, 2019 - 09:19pm PT
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And they have to reassemble that yard sale in TWO HOURS! Holy Pep Boys!
I’m really happy to see Norris and McLaren doing well. For too long they were like that song:
“If it wasn’t for bad luck I wouldn’t have no luck at all!”
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Apr 12, 2019 - 10:06pm PT
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Concerning Norris/McLaren: ditto!
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Apr 12, 2019 - 10:09pm PT
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Ron: I like your summation of Bahrain.
I typically have trouble seeing the forest for the trees.
Here's what the trees looked like to this house cat, never straying far from his litter box!
Bahrain 2019
Leclerc on pole, with Vettel, Hamilton and Bottas.
Windy and abrasive track dictates 2 & 3 stop strategies.
* Kimi is the only driver on the grid born in the 70s!
At the start, Vettel overtakes Leclerc, who had a poor start. Then Bottas gets Hamilton, Leclerc gets Bottas, and Hamilton gets Bottas. Exciting start for sure, including Stroll tapping Grossjean.
L2: Vettel, Leclerc, Hamilton, Bottas
L3: Leclerc fastest lap
L4: Sainz in P6 tries for Verstappen in P5, resulting in damage to Sainz's right front tire/suspension as Verstappen bounced left off of the curb at the apex.
L6: Leclerc overtakes Vettel at the outside of turn one.
L 10: Verstappen plus others go in for tires.
L 13: Verstappen overtakes Bottas (while Bottas in pits?)
L 14: Verstappen fastest lap, but Bottas overtakes Max. (Not sure how that can actually happen, but that's how I saw it!)
L 14: Vettel goes in for tires, 2.1 seconds, Hamilton overtakes Vettel
L 16: Leclerc P1, Hamilton P2.
L 17: Leclerc, Hamilton, Vettel, Ricciardo (still no tire change), Bottas, Verstappen, Kimi, Hulkenberg, Norris.
L 18: Bottas overtakes Ricciardo.
L 19: Leclerc ahead of Hamilton by 4.8 seconds.
L 20: Hamilton goes wide at last turn now trailing by 5.4 seconds.
L 21: Hulkenberg/Renault P7 overtakes Kimi/Alfa P8.
L 23: Vettel P2 overtakes Hamilton P3 (understeer), then Bottas, Verstappen, Daniel, Hulkenberg, Kimi P8.
L 26: Norris P7 overtakes Kimi P8.
L 30: Ricciardo P11 (new tires) overtakes Magnussen P12.
L 35: Kimi P12 (new tires) overtakes Kvyat P13.
L 37: Hamilton P4 tries for Vettel P3 – very exciting, going outside on turn 4.
L 38: Hamilton P2 overtakes Vettel P3 (Vettel spins)
Martin Brundle comments: "Vettel's ambition well ahead of tire adhesion + an off-camber situation. "
L 38: Vettel loses front wing – pits.
L 39: Hulkenberg P6 overtakes Renault teammate Daniel P7. Vettel P9.
L 42: Leclerc leads Hamilton by 10 seconds.
L 43: Vettel P5 overtakes Hulkenberg P6
L 43: Vettel now well behind Verstappen at 22 seconds.
L 45: Norris P7, Daniel P8, Kimi P9 – all running very tight. Then Kimi P8 overtakes Daniel P9.
L 46: Leclerc reports turbo problems while winning his first F1 GP.
L 46: Kimi P8 tries for Noris P7.
L 47: Leclerc leads Hamilton by 5 seconds.
L 48: Hamilton overtakes Leclerc at final turn. Leclerc, the "sitting duck" down 60 hp.
L 49: Leclerc P2 leads Bottas P3 by 25 seconds.
L 52: Hamilton radios: "downshifts are getting clunky."
L 53: Hamilton P1 leads Leclerc P2 by 20 seconds, who leads Bottas by 2 seconds, then Verstappen at +7.
L 54: Bottas P2 overtakes Leclerc P3.
L 54: Hulkenberg (engine cut) + Daniel (electrics) DNF: safety car comes out with two laps to go.
L 57: Hamilton wins: 136 podiums +74 wins overall.
Followed by: Bottas, Leclerc, Verstappen, Vettel, and Norris in P6 with McLaren.
First safety car finish since China in 2015 (2016?) Eighth time in F1 history.
Leclerc weighs in at 71.1 kg w/helmet.
Crofty calls it a "sensational GP"
Leclerc gets a point for fastest lap.
Hamilton radios: "Leclerc drove such a nice race. We've got quite a lot of work to keep these guys in our tails"
Hamilton says to Brundle: The fight with Vettel was great fun for me."
Bottas says: "Balance of the car was off and I made lots of mistakes but reliability gave the edge today."
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China 2019 Qualification result
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Apr 13, 2019 - 09:37am PT
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Humm don't agree on f1 racing I'm a NASCAR fan try not to miss a race good old stock cars made to go 290plus mph. Driving inches apart not afraid to bump and bang each other , there's no bumping and banging in open wheel racking or they'll be out . NASCAR drivers also have nice looking wives and great families , it's a family sport. I like all racing but we all have our likes and dislikes. I think you might get some neg. comments about your post. Chase Elliot or Ryan blanket for the sunday
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Apr 13, 2019 - 09:46am PT
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it's a family sport
So is coq fighting.
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Apr 13, 2019 - 09:57am PT
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I wish NASCAR would implement some system whereas with say 20 laps back markers, cars with incomplete body work were pulled from the track so as not to interfere with the ultimate finish ie, wrecks. If you cause a wreck in the last 20 laps...penalty points against you. I just can’t stomach the absolute disregard in driving skills when these guys just start pushing cars around to get position and then taking out the field in “tha big un boyz”. The other thing is when NASCAR pulls a yellow flag for debris when their favorite driver needs to get position or a lap back and the debris is a napkin or water bottle. Get them wet tires as well, if they can’t drive pedal to medal the entire way, NASCAR pulls cars off the track. They can run 480 miles of clean racing, then the last 10 or 20 miles take a dozen restarts and an hour of boredom.
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Apr 15, 2019 - 12:36am PT
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Hamilton start to finish cruise for the win, Bottas screwed the start and get´s second. Ferraris dog slow, looked like front tyre problems braking. Red Bull as slow as the Ferraris. Williams last again. One Renault didn´t break down.
Norris again impressive until it broke.
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Apr 15, 2019 - 07:25am PT
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Alex Albon started 20th and finished 10th! Major kudos!
Lewis wins his 75th and the 1000th race while racking up over 4000 laps led!
I think he has a future.
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Apr 15, 2019 - 10:00am PT
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Wonder how long LeClerc will play the Vettal game? Ferrari was clearly out paced but I wouldn’t say Vettal had the faster car. Look at Bottas Vs Vettal lap time after LeClerc let Vettal pass. It is almost embarrassing to be Vettal and play these childish games....unless there is another motive for Ferrari. Could Phillip Morris be making the calls!?
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May 11, 2019 - 07:08am PT
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At Catalunya, Bottas is reborn with yet another pole position and Mercedes eclipses Ferarri.
Not my words, but I can watch TV like a mofo!
I could've caught up on the Azerbaijan race this morning, but the prospect of getting up at 4 AM to watch the parade on a street track just wasn't pulling me in.
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Reilly
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May 11, 2019 - 08:00am PT
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I would have been disappointed had you said that Valtteri was ‘reborn’.
A spot of nonsense that, he’s Da Man this season, make no doubt!
Only Da Man can go off roading in Q1 and come back to stomp!
I guess that could be construed as a sort of diurnal rebirth?
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May 11, 2019 - 09:10am PT
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"LeClerc" is spelt Leclerc and "Vettal" Vettel!
Looks like Mercedes jerked Ferraris´chain yet again, 0.8s is horrific in FI terms. Nor as bad as Williams admittedly but still a terrible performance for a "contender".
Hamilton seems quite content to let Bottas get the pole (guess he´s won enough already), if there was a championship point to be had it might be different. Looking at his race speed compared with Bottas it looks like he just concentrates on getting a good race setup and winning the drivers championship. Red Bull poor again depite Verstappens talent, McClaren doing better with a new team manager. Wiliiams......?
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ron gomez
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May 11, 2019 - 12:39pm PT
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Sorry sorry for my stooopiness Jim. I wish LeClerc and Vettal would have qualified better.
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May 11, 2019 - 03:14pm PT
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If we were to insist upon correct spelling or, god forbid, even rudimentary grammatical competence this place would be shut down in a heartbeat. 😉
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May 11, 2019 - 04:45pm PT
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A Man! I think Botass has a GUD chance to seal this...that is if LeClerc or Vettall don’t spoil it. Afterall Hameltun has wun enuf.
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May 12, 2019 - 08:00am PT
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Yup, pole means nothing when your team mate starts better and just drives away from you. Hamilton start to finish win and fastest lap, Bottas second with no answers. Verstappen third before Vettel and Leclerc. Ferrari again with no real speed and the car still isn´t balanced. Williams last again....
In fact looking back through the this seasons results Williams might have a new record, last and second last in every race so far with Kubica last every time.
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May 12, 2019 - 09:24am PT
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Exciting start and re-start otherwise a bit of a yawner. Good work by Mad Max.
Will Lando have to join the Worshipful Company of Gravel Haulers?
Nice to see McLaren in 4th in Constructors standings, albeit a distant 4th.
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May 12, 2019 - 10:46am PT
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Well apart from watching Ferrari try to find a different tyre strategy with Leclerc to at least get something the racing wasn´t anything special until the safety car came out, watching the Haas guys trying to mutually destroy themselves was fun at least!
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May 21, 2019 - 07:52am PT
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^^^
Yeah, I have some more detailed notes for the race, but that's it in a nutshell.
In other news, sad to see Niki go:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/21/sport/niki-lauda-death-intl/index.html
Gotta think toxic inhalation from his big crash had something to do with it. For him, 70 was not to be the new 50.
Lauda was hospitalized earlier this year with influenza and underwent a lung transplant last year.
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ron gomez
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May 21, 2019 - 08:55am PT
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Named our Son after Lauda
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May 25, 2019 - 10:34am PT
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And it´s Monaco time again!
Leclec fastest in final practice with the Mercs just running some laps.
Qualifying Hamilton puts down a 1.10.166 and destroys the opposition (over 6/10´s faster than the pole record), Bottas and Verstappen second and third. Vettel tried so hard he hit the wall one time but still miles off the pace, 0.78s behind which at Monaco means you might be lapped in the race. Leclerc 1.98s back in 16th.
Williams set a new record with again the slowest two cars.
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May 25, 2019 - 10:41am PT
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And the Scuderia makes another boneheaded tactical move that sends Leclerc to 16th. WTF?
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May 25, 2019 - 10:45am PT
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Is it Leclec, LeClerc or Leclerc? Yeah Reilly, Ferrari is jacked up big time right now.
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May 25, 2019 - 05:53pm PT
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Monaco is a parade, and though I missed qualifying, I won't be missing the race!
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May 25, 2019 - 06:12pm PT
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Ya mean the Merc victory laps? Very likely qualifying will prove to have been more exciting.
Six 1-2 finishes in a row!
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May 25, 2019 - 11:51pm PT
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I was part of a car company building $6 mil electric F1 which should be out in the next few months. I left a month ago working on a different rig
1000HP, 4 motor drive
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May 26, 2019 - 08:52am PT
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You got that spot on, Reilly!
On the city tracks, qualifying/time trial mode is likely to show more excitement.
As soon as I wrote my post, it occurred to me missing qualifying was a mistake.
Thanks for that Hamilton lap link.
So, should we take this F1 discussion over to the Taco Salad for the next race?
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May 26, 2019 - 09:26am PT
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Gotta say the race was way more interesting than I expected.
A master class in control by Da Man.
I think Mad Max got off easy. At least he didn’t podium.
Hi Ho, Hi Ho, it’s off to Wide Fetish we go!
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May 26, 2019 - 01:36pm PT
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Too bad about that unsafe release for Max.
It was quite interesting to watch Hamilton, with degrading tires, hold him off.
By got off easy, do you mean Max is lucky he didn't crash them both when poking into Lewis with his advances?
Ha ha. You'll never see me on Wide Fetish.
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May 26, 2019 - 01:52pm PT
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I meant he shoulda gotten a drive through penalty rather than the 5 second wishy washy.
He/his team almost cost Bottas the podium.
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May 26, 2019 - 01:55pm PT
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Yeah, I missed all that, having seen only the second half.
Luckily they will be replaying it in about an hour.
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May 26, 2019 - 03:44pm PT
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Hamilton drove, as usual a superb drive. Fronts were gone, Verstappen tried to crash him. Good win. Max should have been DQ’d for two reckless moves. Enjoy the race Roy.
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May 27, 2019 - 02:49am PT
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TacoSalad for me.
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