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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:45am PT
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I know quite a few kids being raised 'in extremis'. They sure seem happy to me.
But what the hell do I know? I was raised by a single mom. That just ain't normal either, is it?
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:50am PT
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Why is this a "dumbshit stupid thread", WB?
Or are they all dumbshit stupid threads?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:50am PT
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I'm outta here, I'm watching a movie....prolly gay too, just to sympathize...
Meh,,,whatever......
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:51am PT
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Abnormal is the new normal.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Dec 29, 2010 - 01:51am PT
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Just another dumbshit stupid thread .....
word
maybe a better scenario for bluey is where he has to choose between gay parents he knows will love and respect his kid, and a christian "traditional" family he knows nothing at all about.
i know what i would choose.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 02:02am PT
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I stand corrected. Thanks, Werner.
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Maysho
climber
Soda Springs, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 02:29am PT
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I grew up this way, my adopted parents divorced when I was 9 years old, my dad moved in with Joe, a very cool sort of step dad, and when I was 11 I moved in with the two of them. Granted the world was very different in 1971, my father moved down to Berkeley to put some space between his home life and his medical practice in Sacramento.
A couple of things. First of all, for you straight parents, do you think your little 6 year olds actually visualize or fantasize about your lovemaking practices? They don't, what they experience is that you love them, that you put their well being as your highest priority (or not). Your sex life is not an issue.
From 9 years old on, I grew up around all sorts of amazing gay men and women in what was then a marginalized community. Many of whom loved each other sexually (I presume in hindsight) I was just a kid, no one had sex in front of me.
Aside from an all consuming passion for rock climbing, I was a "normal boy", I liked girls, and my dad and his partner were very nice to the girls I dated and brought home sometimes.
My dad was a great parent, and I had a great childhood. As an adoptee, and especially from my long career helping youth, I can say that any loving people who are up for being parents should be encouraged.
There are so many lousy parents out there, and so many f*cked up kids as a result, that any parents, gay or straight who choose to be great parents are to be celebrated and encouraged.
Peter
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Dec 29, 2010 - 02:33am PT
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Posting from my faux-utopian 50's family. Man, everything was just like Our Town and Leave it to Beaver until them gays started getting married.
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Dec 29, 2010 - 03:03am PT
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Jeebus Rox. Where to start?
But the Gays can just TAKE it
Are you trying to be an ass?
I don't think that the whole conundrum right now, as it pertains to gays, is whether or not they can be a married couple under the eyes of god. This isn't about religion unless you're trying to deny them the right to marry. It is, however, all about how that union is seen in the eyes of the state and what legal rights those partners have in the eyes of the state. And yes, it is all about Social Security or any other right that is afforded to any other couple under state law. Equal protection under the law.
Rox: You have no RIGHT to others children if you can't make your own
I haven't looked at adoption laws but I would think that they would apply to heterosexual couples where either the male or female couldn't produce as well. What are the standards? Why should it be different for heterosexual vs homosexual couples?
Just where are the male homosexual children going to come from. Male homosexual homes?
Unless you can answer that to the satisfaction of Christian Heterosexuals, it ain't gonna be easy unless there is already a blood relationship you are trying to preserve.
I agree. That is the problem. But homosexuals have been springing up from heterosexual homes for a long, long time. That's not going to change. It's the culture around it that is going to change. It's really no different than slavery or segregation. It took a while for "culture" to catch up to present day reality and it took the hard work and sacrifice of many, many individuals.
I'm an optimist. I think that society tends to move forward. Equal rights to gays in terms of marriage and child rearing is going to happen. It's just a matter of time.
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Dec 29, 2010 - 04:08am PT
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I'm sorry Sully, but that's just weird and, under the circumstances, unnatural.
Kidding. .. . of course.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 05:59am PT
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The California surrogate mother of the child is, by legal paperage, anonymous.
Which begs at least two questions:
Which father fathered the child?
And does fathering a child make a gay spouse a cheater?
Or was the Deed done artificially . . . . . with a scientific apparatus?
That's three questions, that . . .
' ' ' ' Enquiring Minds want to know.
He was born a pauper to a pawn on a Christmas day
When the New York Times said God is dead
And the war's begun
Alvin Tostig has a son today
He shall be Levon
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Dec 29, 2010 - 06:44am PT
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Great post Peter.
That little kid just hit the lotto.
And might end up with loving parents to boot.
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Tobia
Social climber
GA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 07:54am PT
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Ghost:
Elton's moving to California? Too bad as he has been a strong philanthropist to various groups in Atlanta since he took up residence there 20 + years ago.
Good parenting seems to come from many places, but I have to question a 62 year olds ability to do this. As a teacher I have seen many children being raised by their grandparents and I can't say it is a good situation. It takes a lot of energy to keep up with a K-12 child.
Most of the time this happens out of necessity as the birth parents disappear, die or become incarcerated and the responsibility falls on the extended family to raise the child.
I just can't fathom a 62 year olds interest in becoming a parent or an adoption agency seeing this as a viable choice.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Truckee , CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 08:47am PT
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From Bluey,
But I do know what is best for a child. A natural childbirth soawn from two parents and raised by them both. There is a natural connection there. Especislly with Mom. But the child understands Dad though the womb. They recognize the parents. They connect with them.
Wow that means Fattrad's kid is f*#ked for life.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Dec 29, 2010 - 10:59am PT
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As far as Elton's kid goes~
I am far more concerned about the perverse effects and distorted reality brought on by extreme opulence than than being raised by same sex parents.
Even if the kid was adopted by straight parents, it would be hard to be "normal" with that much fame and fortune.
Hold me closer Tony Danza.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Dec 29, 2010 - 11:03am PT
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Like Matt stated, it's about love and respect and care. It is not about sexual orientation of those dishing out the love and respect and care.
I wish the sort of upbringing Maysho received on all the little kids out there. Though I don't have kids (yup, not a trad family here) I hope that when I meet any child I contribute in positive fashion to their lives - or at least I don't contribute in a negative way - no matter how small.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 29, 2010 - 11:33am PT
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brilliant thread, this one.....
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 29, 2010 - 11:49am PT
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Then again, this thread could've been the CELEBRATION of ONE MORE STEP in the right direction. Except it appears one or two individuals took it elsewhere.
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