"He and his husband..."

Kids need to learn a traditional upbringing where they seek a mate, raise a family, and live their lives together.

But I also do not support raising chilren in gay homes. It confuses an innocent mind. It twists it into confusion about a trad marriage and what a mother and father meand to a child

I think you mean: seek a mate, start a family, get divorced, and live their lives apart.

Since that's the way most "normative" marriages go these days.

So, what happens twenty-five years from now if that wonderful little guy that you and your wife are raising says "Dad, John and I are going to adopt a child"? Are you going to stand by your principles and tell him "Son, I can sorta turn a blind eye to your faggy love life, but no way am I gonna accept you two queers raising a child."

I'm serious here. What would you say?

I guess that is my point. I don't condone it. But I'll accept it if comes down to it. Ya know?

That doesn't mean I'll vote for it though. I stand strictly agaist it.

they throw one hell of a parade...

So, if I understand what you're saying, you would accept a gay couple adopting and raising a child if it happened twenty-some years from now and if one half of that couple was your son, but if it's my son, right now, you won't accept it.

Do you see a contradiction here Steve?

Is someone born as a homosexual or do they become that way for some reason?

Jude, I actually don't reallt care. It's the publicising that this is NORMAL that bugs me. It aint, because I'm obviously a bigot against fags.

kids don't need to see a man and a woman sleeping in the same bed to understand what a family is, they need to see adults interact; love, struggle, support, encourage, entertain, please, anger, miff, and even forgive one another.

kids learn how to interact in a family by example, but they don't learn who to be sexually attracted to by example, that much is obvious.

that you fail to notice how identical your "arguments" are to those offered against inter-racial marriage is pretty funny, IMO. (true, men and women from different races can reproduce, but that was also "wrong" at one time...)

there are plenty of people on earth who probably have no business at all **being parents, but i doubt many gay couples belong near the top of that list, considering how poorly so many hetero parents treat their kids, right? i mean, 6 billion people on earth = quite a few f*#ked up families out there...**

as far as people who so oppose gay rights, some are simply ignorant (have you ever actually known a gay person? a gay couple? a gay parent?), and others, MANY MANY others, are simply repressing their own feelings of attraction for the same sex, and they hate themselves for those feelings, so in turn they project the hate they feel toward themselves, outward, toward others...(edit, but of course, this sort of thing never happens among the devout followers of Jesus, because gay people and religious people are NEVER the same people, right?)

how ironic that you yourself compare your own religion to those others- yes- you are all equally able to hate in the name of god, and no, it's no more loving when anyone does so that any other, and no, it's not in the essence of any of the true teachings, only in the words of men who harbor(ed) hate within their own impure heart(s)

So just exactly WHERE are these homosexual men going to GET those children??

Rox: And you can't tell me Homosexuals won't try to raise little homosexuals

...and then the little homophobic kids that may complain that they don't want to be in a "gay" household, well, in the interest of being entirely fair and humane in every way (while still not missing the chance to be ironic) are turned over to the catholic church.

I don't know what to say...

Just another dumbshit stupid thread .....

But the Gays can just TAKE it

Rox: You have no RIGHT to others children if you can't make your own

Just where are the male homosexual children going to come from. Male homosexual homes?
Unless you can answer that to the satisfaction of Christian Heterosexuals, it ain't gonna be easy unless there is already a blood relationship you are trying to preserve.

But I do know what is best for a child. A natural childbirth soawn from two parents and raised by them both. There is a natural connection there. Especislly with Mom. But the child understands Dad though the womb. They recognize the parents. They connect with them.

Too many Americans think that sending money to Third World nations will solve their problems. That is complete SHEEPDIP! Sending money CAUSES more problems; it creates a nanny state. Look at Haiti!

We did have to jump through a lot of hoops for the adoption.

Next best maybe would be a stable loving pair of parents to take care of them (or maybe that's first best?). Some that weren't apt to get divorced. Maybe parents who were racially similar and could relate to how they're perceived in our society.

Ghost, it has long been a adoption premise that racially similar (to the child) couples are preferred when they are available.

Sexual relationships between members of the same sex expose gays, lesbians and bisexuals to extreme risks of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs), physical injuries, mental disorders and even a shortened life span. There are five major distinctions between gay and heterosexual relationships, with specific medical consequences.

I will comment on that Ghost, though I have to say, the way things are going here, I'm ready to delete my posts and stay away.

Actually you are WRONG Healy. Quite wrong.

Some good reading here, particularly from Cragman and Ghost, Maysho and Crimpergirl.

Jefe, that is not an answer to the real issues I bring up.


Its a whipped boy pleading for the beating to stop.



Would you like me to suggest some well known gay hangouts in Tucson, because some of them are BOUND to still exist, and you could go get a first hand taste.

Tucson has a VOCIFEROUS gay community, and I used to know some of them, and the places they kept.


Don't you want to know where you can find blindfolded men chained to benches and walls for the amusement of the other patrons? That was a matinee feature of a place I knew of....

Bluey... you find yourself standing shoulder to shoulder with rocky.

Just thought I'd point that out.

DMT

Edit: Ok, here are two open clubs. Is the Stonewall still on Stone down around Miracle Mile?

Is the bath-house with all the tubs outside still in the Foothills just off Silverbell? Indoors was kinda slimy, but I took a couple babes to the outdoor tubs.

I can't give you the house addresses of the private clubs, its been too long, and they change around a lot over the years. But I can tell a few STORIES about them. But I think you wouldn't like them.


Maybe I should just search the web for gay bars. You'd be amazed what you might see.

I ain't been there in a long time, but you fly me out and in two days I will give you a tour. I bet Guy (Gee) still lives there, he'd turn me on and tune me in.

F*#k dude, I just googled Tucson Gay Clubs, and I got almost 399,000 listings!

People fall in love. Gay or straight. Who cares? It doesn't affect anyone other than those in love and involved. Love and be loved. Doesn't make a difference as to who your affections lie with, as long as the party involved cares deeply for each other.

You'd have to ask the wonderful anwry teenager about that, I try. She will be an offwidth master though.

Seriously, get over it people, if two people love each other and love a child and protect that child and nurture that child, what does it matter?

Ghost - it's important for kids to grow up with a strong racial identity. It's a lot easier for that to happen if the kid has a parent who is racially similar to them.

I'm just saying that it's an issue for adoption that we do our best to manage, same as gay parents. Sometimes we do a good job, sometimes not great. Same for all of us.

Rox,

I used to think you were just a delusional as#@&%e that needed to get his meds adjusted, but now it becomes appallingly clear that you are just a deeply conflicted man who cannot come to terms with his deep and abiding homosexual desires.

Just do it Rox; suck a dick. You know that you want one. All that time reading about that "Deviant Homosexual Behavior" has got you all worked up. For once in your sad little life quit talking sh#t, embrace who you are and learn to swallow. No one here will think any less of you.

I am coughing up my lungs into a handkerchief right now.

You make yourself a woman over me. Be a man instead,

The point you are making makes as much sense as if I were to say "since we now know the "green barf girl" exists we should question your wife's suitability to be a mom.

And so far, not a single post out of over 250 has said a single damn word about these issues I bring up

Personally, I think the world would be a far better place if all feelings of racial identity were abandoned. We don't look at eye color, or hair color as being of any importance, why should skin color be any different?

You've just allowed yourself to be goaded into a state where all you see are the silly comments