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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:21pm PT
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Lame, try again, let's work up some less-forced outrage, you can do it ;-)
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:25pm PT
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Did you hear Barack Obama spent 10 million dollars of tax payer money to buy a Jimmy Carter cardigan to use as a prayer rug on air force one?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:25pm PT
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He's having an affiar...impeach...! rj
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:26pm PT
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Who gives a sh#t.
You have Obama derangement syndrome. Go find a new hobby.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:28pm PT
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Why stand around and talk all day.
Smart guys go to dinner and let the dummies keep flapping their mouths.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:28pm PT
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LEB - I know! This is so 'thru the looking glass' weird. Too bad he didn't
invite Bush; which would have been to the n'th power more crazy.
Bill made a good effort at spinning the chaos back from the brink.
edit- Anyone else notice the unusual expression on the President's face?
Hadn't seen that one before; while Bill was talking. Pupils the size of quarters. Uh-oh.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:29pm PT
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Forced OUTRAGE SYNDROME!
Killer of the Politards.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:31pm PT
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You didn't expect anyone around here to find fault with anything Obama does, did you?
Slow learner.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:32pm PT
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That's a bowl movement LEB...rj
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:37pm PT
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Why stand around and talk all day.
Smart guys go to dinner and let the dummies keep flapping their mouths.
Wow, how sh#t changes! I wonder if Werner would say the same if Cheney or Bush did the same.
I doubt it. Loss of respect and integrity....unmeasurable. And yet Werner comes off as wise.
I feel slighted...I used to respect you, man.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:38pm PT
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Coolest President ever.
Like Regan. Too busy for useless news conference.
I could be wrong, but I think in 50 years we'll be adding Regan and Obama to Mt Rushmore.
As long as no climbing routes are harmed.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:41pm PT
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I totally disagree, Savage......
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:44pm PT
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Watch the video again with the premise that they'd both got high
before coming out to talk. Makes perfect sense then.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:49pm PT
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Bluering,
Cheney and his pet never gave press conferences before doing what they wanted. It's best of course to say sorry after than ask permission. (Oh yeah, that darned American Constitution)...
Jim
No.
They never stood on a stage and deferred to a former prez the way he did. And for what? His wife was waiting?
Are you kidding? That's a real leader, right there....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:50pm PT
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Matt, leave the poor idiot Beck out of it, he's irrelevant.
Nice try though!
EDIT: Palin has NOTHING to do with this!!!!! Get over her!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:54pm PT
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Wait, if McCain couldn't handle some questions, I'm damn sure Sarah would have stepped up, unlike the no-existant Biden. Where was he to fill in the shoes of his prez???? They had to call in 'blow job' Billy????
WTF??
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:56pm PT
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Locker fails to realize that a sitting prez had to defer to a former prez to answer HIS questions? That is no big deal? He couldn't take 30 min of his own time????
HE'S THE F*#KING PREZ!!!!! HE'S SUPPOSED TO LEAD US!!!
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:58pm PT
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Obama has a good sense of priorities. Gets bored when nothing is happening.
Regan was even better at that. Stuff would happen and he didn't even know about it. Too busy being president or whatever.
I hate it when presidents comment and react to every little news item. Clinton and Bush did that a lot. Obama does too. Regan NEVER.
I'm a republican philosophically but the Republican Party has utterly betrayed us for so long, screwed things up. I look to the Democrats now for lower taxes, smaller government, and fiscal responsibility. Since I've never seen Glen Beck and I don't listen to Rush (except to laugh at his buffoonery), I've got no major problems with this dude.
Who I'm really looking for though is a Julius Cesar. He expanded the empire and made foreigners pay all the taxes. If he were president, like in the 1940's. Japan, Germany & Italy would be paying taxes to the USA and the US citizens would pay nothing. If we had to go in and fix up or defend any other country, it would be all or nothing. They would get to keep their culture, and enjoy uninterrupted prosperity and productivity and would thank us with 10% of all their income.
See, you got me started.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 10, 2010 - 11:58pm PT
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This is why we're at where we're at....God help us....
EDIT:
Obama has a good sense of priorities. Gets bored when nothing is happening.
You lost me, dude, if you can't see his failure here. It WAS an important press conferance. And even if not, the way he deferred it to Bill, was way lame.
Weak, IMO. And other countries watch this too....
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:00am PT
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LEB that was NOT an important press conference. It was Bill Clinton explaining to the screaming DEMs that the O-Man cut them the best deal he could. Clinton proceeded to ramble and the Dude split. That is why he is SO COOL!
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:01am PT
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Let me see if I understand this correctly. The president of the United States, probably one of busiest men in America holds a press conference, Says what he wants to say, answers a few questions, then leaves and this bothers you? hahaha....Lois, you are a card.
Did George Bush ever answer every question the press had? Has any president ever answered all the questions the press has? Is it even possible to answer every question the press has? Have you ever even watched a press conference? The president never sticks around to answer every question. Thats what press secretaries are for.
hahahaha.. Keep on trolling Lois.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:04am PT
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John, did you hear it or watch it? Lois is right.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:05am PT
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According to the account I read of Clinton's press conference, Obama left early because he had to join Michelle at another scheduled White House Christmas party where many people were waiting to meet them. The press conference was ad hoc and unscheduled. Working it into the president's busy schedule had alreadytaken some spontaneous scrambling on the part of the White House staff.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:06am PT
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Nonsense.. No president has ever stayed all the way through one of these slugfests. They say what they want to say.. they answer a few questions and they make an excuse and leave. Maybe he made a poor excuse, but thats all.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:08am PT
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There is no such thing as a middle of a press conference when it involves the president. Haven't you ever watched a press conference? Or is this your first.
good troll though... hahaha.. man this is funny.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:10am PT
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Calm down bitches, ain't no fire in the hizzouse.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:11am PT
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"No matter what the topic, Lois is a utter waste of time.... "
not if you dont read that sh#t homey. Learn to skim, saves headaches.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:13am PT
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GOD DAMN HIM...HOW DARE HEE DO THIS? I"M SOO OUTRAGED!!!!!111 THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER> HE"S AN AWFUL, AWFUL, BAD CRAZY MAN.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:14am PT
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Moosie, it is good to know the man has your support no matter what he does
Nonsense... more utter and complete hogwash. Do you have any sense at all Lois? Any? Nice try on the insult though. Plenty of sarcasm.. I give it a 7.4 on the insulto meter.
Good night.. I have work to do. Lois, you are a real card.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:16am PT
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NO LOyLTY...VERY BAD MAN...VERY VERY BAD....
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:17am PT
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Lois won't be able to sleep.
She'll be thinking about what Obama had for dinner ....
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:18am PT
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Sis, is this really all you got? Gotta be something going on over in Tempe, go to the Coffee Plantation (assuming it's still there) and drop my name...
Edit; -too funny, Werner!
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:22am PT
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HE's A BAD MAN, VERY VERY BAD.
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mooser
Trad climber
seattle
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:29am PT
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Hey, guys, you defend this Bozo if you wish. Skipping out in the middle of a press conference is just about as unpresidential as it gets. I say it is emblematic of his whole attitude towards his job and his country.
Each time I hear one of these stories - I just shake my head in utter amazement.
LEB: It might be worth considering whether your outrage has more to do with your own anxiety than with whether or not his departure from the press conference was doing right by the office. I'm not going to go overboard to defend his presidency (nor cut loose on Bush by contrast), but I will maintain that any good leader (regardless of party affiliation or even job) knows there are times when no amount of explanation, data, or reframing will satisfy the chronically anxious.
He's not responsible for what makes you or anyone else nervous...not by staying up late and working on Saturdays to answer every question you or others might have for him...not by still being at the press conference until everyone's question is satisfied to everyone's satisfaction...not by satisfying you with his work ethic. "Michelle, I'm sorry about missing dinner tonight, but LEB's got a few more questions for me...and there might be someone else who does, too." Do ya follow?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:35am PT
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LEB, you gave no information that said he was going to dinner.
He held a press conference. He said what he had to say. The primary purpose of the press conference was for Clinton to say what he thought about Obama's compromise plan. Obama was decoration, so he excused himself.
You have given NO information as to what he left the room to do. Clinton continued the press conference for another 1/2 hour.
You have made a baseless accusation. Do you think that the only function of the President's wife is to serve as arm furniture for the President?
This kind of crap is disgusting.
You have repeatedly flogged the ESPN thing, although you have not once, that I have seen, posted any reference to what you are talking about. I finally searched, and can find nothing about it. Is this BS that you are making up?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:41am PT
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This is why I stopped posting with the likes of y'all....
We see things differently and will never agree. In fact, with most of you (even like myself) ther is no compromise.
When I leave is when people abandon reason and logic. And of course, the fringe will twist even that.
That is when discussion can no longer exist. It can't, not reasonable discussion.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:46am PT
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Not a hanky, Matt, just logical, well reasoned discourse, based on well thought out ideas backed up with verifiable data and facts. At least reasonable theories.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:48am PT
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Hit me with an idea, gf. Wanna talk?
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jstan
climber
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:50am PT
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During Eisenhower's presidency he had an aide present who would on schedule or at a signal merely say, "Thank you Mr. President."
That would be the end of the press conference.
Lois, when we citizens focus all of our attention on things other than substantive discussions of the issues we are signalling the end of our own discussion.
We cannot long continue as a nation, this way.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:53am PT
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If I were Obama, I would have ran away too. Running away is always easier than answering challenging questions.
President Chickensh#t.
I'd be pissed off if I had been stupid enough to have voted for him.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:55am PT
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John, I'm curious of your take on the notion that by keeping the tax rates as they are, it will incrase the deficit by 800 billion dollars?
What say you? And be frank. Is it a disengenous arguement?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:10am PT
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gf, if you're talking about re-defing the American manufacturing industry away from Taiwan and especially China, I'm on board.
This is where I dissassociate with "corporate AMerica". We have sold out for cheap labor at the expense of the American worker and American quality.
Just today I sat in an engineering meeting where the head Eng was looking over one of our boards (high speed Audio DSP) and pointed to the 'Made in USA' silkscreen on the fab, giving me a thumbs up. I returned it obviously.
We have the skill, but we don't have the will.
I''ve laid out my plans here before and I get called nationalistic, xenophobic, and whatever.
We need to rebuild our manufacfacturing base with the help of Mezxican labor, not Chinese. It makes sense on so many levels.
We need to look to Mexico, not China, as our friend in manufacturing.
It solves many problems you can prolly figure out,
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:16am PT
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you know, if you google "obama leaves press conference early" this thread is the second link that pops up?
Was this even a news item, anywhere but in Lois-land?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:18am PT
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He IS leading us...
and he is TRYING real hard to patch up the sh!t the Republicans left him with and also trying real hard to HELP the American people as a WHOLE and NOT just the big corporate Republican greedy bastards... Quote Here
You have no idea...You think Bush left us with the Obama Stimuli? And if Obama was gonnasave us from Bush, with his Stimuli, when is it gonna happen?
When the Repubs start cutting spending? When we get to keep more of our har earned money?
The Dems are crazier than Bush in terms of spending.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:20am PT
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So it's Friday night, and the LEB is bagging on Obama for taking his (hottie) wife out for dinner? What red-blooded American man wouldn't take Michelle out to dinner on a Friday night? Sheesh!
A totally normally scenario, involving good family values and everything. And clever of him to sucker Clinton into taking care of things for him. Probably the first American president since Carter who simply went out for dinner with his wife sometimes.
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jstan
climber
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:23am PT
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Blue:
John who?
If you are addressing me, I can only repeat what I have said many times starting in October 2008. The trillions in credit default swaps issued were never backed by hard money. So letting them fail would have, in no way, changed the actual value of the positions they supposedly insured. The investors would simply have had to accept they had made a risky bet. There should have been no TARP. Banks should have been allowed to fail and responsible parties pursued in civil and criminal court. Small depositors should have been protected as by the FDIC. Intead of putting a wall streeter in Treasury, Obama should have put Sheila Bair in as Secretary. She is the one with the experience and staff qualified to crawl under broken corporations with a sledge hammer, so as to part them out onto the market.
We should return to the pre-Bush tax rates. If we are to accept debt it should be to build a changed infrastructure atuned to the future. And to support innovation of new products that can be made in the US. It is easy to say we cannot compete in commodity markets, such as building computers, but it is not clear what we face is to be easy. Part by part it will be a judgment call.
We have to stop letting corporations and special interests formulate our national policies.
Possibly we are now at a turning point where foreign investors are ever less convinced the dollar is the safest reserve currency. I don't know. If so,
look out.
There is only one justice in the whole thing. The taxpayer/voter will be the ones to fall under the wheel for their inept decisions and failure to pay attention.
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:26am PT
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For folks who are "true patriots", the repubs are awfully whiny about pretty darn low taxes. Are y'all proud to shirk your civic duty?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:26am PT
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incrediblue.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:31am PT
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Moof writes:
"For folks who are "true patriots", the repubs are awfully whiny about pretty darn low taxes."
LOW taxes? Where?
I paid over $50,000 in taxes to various governments this year already.
That's more than I spent on everything else put together.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:35am PT
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Yeah, Stannard, I was talking to you. Thanks. I need to evaluate your reply....
Upon quick review, I agree wth you!!!!!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:38am PT
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bluering, please be polite to your elders, in wisdom, climbing and age.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:39am PT
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I paid over $50,000 in taxes to various governments this year already.
And how much did you take in? 50,000 is a meaningless number without context.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:42am PT
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When was I disrespective of my elder, Anders?
I look pretty Gud carryin' that flag/// just sayn'!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:45am PT
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Port writes:
"And how much did you take in? 50,000 is a meaningless number without context."
Does it really matter how much you took in? What could you do with fifty grand right now?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:48am PT
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Blue...
you don't look as FOCUSED as you used to...
It's the off-season dude, I'm kinda lame right now.....
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Moof
Big Wall climber
Orygun
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:50am PT
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LOW taxes? Where?
I paid over $50,000 in taxes to various governments this year already.
That's more than I spent on everything else put together.
Context? How are you paying more than 50% total taxes (at least that is the implication I get) when the top marginal rate is a mere 35%?
Perhaps you went to God school where basic arithmetic was optional? Or did Glenn Beck just tell you so?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:59am PT
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Crowley writes:
"How about this chaz...
Which governments did you pay taxes to?"
Governments like Cape Coral FL, St George UT, Goodyear AZ, Lee County ( FL ) Washington County ( UT ), Maricopa County ( AZ ), Los Angeles CA, San Bernardino CA, Riverside CA to name a few.
My main occupation, when you boil it down, is keeping my tax payments current.
I pay way more in taxes than I actually net as income.
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LED
Social climber
the great beyond
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:02am PT
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:04am PT
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How are you paying more than 50% total taxes (at least that is the implication I get) when the top marginal rate is a mere 35%?
In California add 11% (which begins at 40K!) plus your property taxes, any taxes on capital gains (taxes on profits made with money which has already been taxed at the marginal rate as income,) plus sales taxes, gas and utility and phone taxes (ever look at how much of your phone bill is taxes?)
A "mere" 35%?? Please.
And if you think it is bad form to complain about high taxes I ask you this: Can you say with a straight face that the Government is not squandering our money right and left? Because unless you think all the money they are taking already is well spent then it is immorral to demand that they should take more.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:04am PT
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ring...that's Mr. Stannard, Sir.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:08am PT
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Crowley,
I support three or four families of bastard kids with my taxes.
I don't even get a f*#king card from them on Father's Day either.
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:09am PT
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Hey Lois,your true colors are showing.
Have you ever read or posted to Super Topo while at work?
Shame on you ! Where is our American work ethic going?
Our great leader is just that and It gives me great pride as an American to know he is in control.
LEB get over yourself. We are blessed to have you here and we are glad that your husband doesnt need your time and that we get it.
YUK - OMG the pres just dismissed himself from a press conf.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:17am PT
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Ya gotta love Ksolem, when he does choose to chime in.
And Chaz too.
All you losers just attack. You know you're wrong. Fun to watch!
GF, it ain't all about oil.......
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LED
Social climber
the great beyond
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:31am PT
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:34am PT
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Maybe I'm even more cynical.
I don't believe government will ever have your best intrests at heart.
But instead I think I'm more trusting. I trust my fellow Americans to do what's in their best intrest.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:58am PT
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In California add 11% (which begins at 40K!) plus your property taxes, any taxes on capital gains (taxes on profits made with money which has already been taxed at the marginal rate as income,) plus sales taxes, gas and utility and phone taxes (ever look at how much of your phone bill is taxes?)
A "mere" 35%?? Please.
And if you think it is bad form to complain about high taxes I ask you this: Can you say with a straight face that the Government is not squandering our money right and left? Because unless you think all the money they are taking already is well spent then it is immorral to demand that they should take more.
Great post Ksolem.
I don't believe government will ever have your best intrests at heart.
But instead I think I'm more trusting. I trust my fellow Americans to do what's in their best intrest.
Chaz, that is quoteable.
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Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
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Dec 11, 2010 - 03:11am PT
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Hey Crowley.
That photo is to modern to be NP.
Its Ali Landry... The girl from Doritos commercial fame.
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Papillon Rendre
climber
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Dec 11, 2010 - 03:15am PT
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The real story reported with no bias or agenda:
By BEN FELLER, AP White House Correspondent Ben Feller, Ap White House Correspondent – Fri Dec 10, 9:19 pm ET
WASHINGTON – No comment? No way. You don't stop Bill Clinton when he's back at the White House with something to say.
Well, OK. He and President Barack Obama, two of the most famous men in the world, did need a little help getting a door unlocked first.
But then it was on.
The former president came before surprised reporters to let it be known that he endorsed the tax deal that Obama cut with the Republican Party, even though many Democrats were raising a fuss about it.
That was the news. But it wasn't the story.
What had the West Wing buzzing was the scene itself: Clinton in his element, like he had never left. And almost like he wasn't going to leave this time.
For one remarkable half hour, Clinton turned a seemingly slow Friday afternoon into his stage.
He tutored in loving detail about economic theory and nuclear disarmament. He was short on time, yet somehow found some for just one more question. He bit on his lip and spread his arms as he spoke and did all those other familiar gestures.
In a town of scripted rollouts and talking points, the way this event unfolded was refreshingly and remarkably impromptu.
There was to be no press coverage allowed of Obama's meeting with Clinton. No photos, no questions, not even a written statement about what happened.
That changed when Obama and Clinton wrapped up their private meeting in the Oval Office. Clinton wanted to publicly endorse the tax package. Obama is welcoming all the help he can get.
So the two presidents headed straight for the famous briefing room with no warning.
Except they couldn't get in.
The door was locked because press staff members were at their holiday party in the Executive Mansion.
Obama and Clinton went back up a hall and found a press aide at her desk. "Do you know how to open up the briefing room?" Obama asked.
Press secretary Robert Gibbs heard the voices outside his office, walked out and saw the two presidents.
"What are you guys up to?" Gibbs recalled saying.
"We're looking for some reporters," the presidents told Gibbs.
So the White House press staff scrambled, summoning all available media to the briefing room and setting up a live feed for the networks in minutes. The presidents stood waiting, behind a closed door, until Gibbs stalled long enough to let correspondents take their spots.
Obama introduced Clinton lightly as "the other guy" and recalled how Clinton has overseen heady economic times. Obama warned that he wouldn't be staying long — another White House Christmas party was waiting, as was his wife, Michelle.
And so it became clear pretty quickly that this was Clinton's show.
"I feel awkward being here, and now you're going to leave me all by myself," Clinton said from the stage of the White House briefing room.
Not that awkward.
Clinton comfortably outlined how the pending package of tax cuts, business incentives and unemployment benefits would boost the economy — even though it included tax help for the wealthy that Obama had to swallow.
"There's never a perfect bipartisan bill in the eyes of a partisan," Clinton said. "But I really believe this will be a significant net-plus for the country."
When he finished his pitch, Clinton played the role of humble guy, saying, "So, for whatever it's worth, that's what I think."
"It's worth a lot," Obama insisted.
Clinton was asked what advice he had for Obama, given the context of the times: the current president has to deal with a Republican Party that just won a convincing victory in the midterm election and will soon grab control of the House. Clinton faced the same halfway through his embattled first term in 1994, worked some major deals with the opposing party and rebounded to re-election.
"I have a general rule," Clinton said, "which is that whatever he asked me about my advice, and whatever I say should become public only if he decides to make it public." Obama didn't provide that permission, saying: "I've been keeping the First Lady waiting for about half an hour, so I'm going to take off."
The current president left it to Gibbs to decide when Clinton's questioning would be cut off.
Yeah, right ...
Gibbs couldn't cut off Clinton, and neither could Clinton's own aide. Only Clinton could stop Clinton.
The former president spoke about credit markets and Haiti and principled compromise and structural deficits.
Clinton was asked if he was happier being in the White House as a guest speaker than as president.
"Oh, I had quite a good time governing," a smiling Clinton said. "I am happy to be here, I suppose, when the bullets that are fired are unlikely to hit me."
When it was over, Obama aides and others in the room wore the look of those who couldn't believe the glimpse of political Americana they just saw.
"It was," said Gibbs, "as spontaneous as it could be."
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yosguns
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Durham, NC
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Dec 11, 2010 - 03:17am PT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ac9uDLUdSs&feature=channel
At 1", Obama explains why Clinton is there. Clinton does seem embarrassed. I am watching the press conference now.
EDIT: That White House Correspondent report is PRICELESS! This is really incredible stuff.
EDIT EDIT: He hasn't said it the way Clinton does, but at least he has the sense and humility to give Clinton a stage to say what he has to say! You can say things like "Mexican Standoff" when you're no longer president. "Oh, I had quite a good time governing. (Wink.)" Oh, I'm sure you did, Mr. President.
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2 l l
Sport climber
Rancho Verga, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 03:27am PT
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Meltdown.
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Papillon Rendre
climber
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Dec 11, 2010 - 03:36am PT
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LEB:
"Is Obama losing it? In the middle of a press conference to discuss important issues surrounding the tax cut legislation, Obama up and leaves????"
Do your due diligences before you post nonsense.
-PR
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 03:53am PT
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131 posts on this?
classic LEB troll, if the king troll is dead, the queen is able to persevere
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yosguns
climber
Durham, NC
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Dec 11, 2010 - 04:06am PT
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Ed,
It's fun! Watch the beginning of the youtube link I posted. It's actually off the White House blog. http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog
Imagine that Clinton and Obama have just come...from...a Christmas party.
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dougs510
Social climber
down south
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Dec 11, 2010 - 04:12am PT
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LEB: Get over it. The people spoke, and Obama's the president. Like it or not, all your ranting can't change that.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Dec 11, 2010 - 08:51am PT
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This was totally worth it's own thread.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 11, 2010 - 11:00am PT
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Hi Lois,
Hope the new job in Arizona is going well, You have to like the weather.
Just a quick note to say that I thought your performance last night was brilliant.
Like a moth to a flame you had them where you wanted them.
Congrats on another great evening!
Best wishes
Norton
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 11, 2010 - 11:05am PT
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HE'S THE F*#KING PREZ!!!!! HE'S SUPPOSED TO LEAD US!!!
you mean like Shrub lead us? Into wars based on lies and a growing national debt.
You're a fu'cking hypocrite. It's too bad your so blind you can't see it. But it is entertaining.... just like The LEB.
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 11, 2010 - 11:21am PT
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This is why I stopped posting with the likes of y'all....
no, you stopped because you couldn't stand getting your ass kicked intellectually all the time.
Are we sure Blue isn't a LEB love child? They obviously both have the same stupid gene going for them.
This is good stuff. Even locker, who normally just avoids the conversation with a tad of irony, a little joke, and a photo manipulation, is getting is brain involved. Not that it's any surprise (locker is a sharp man), but he's kicking your ass all over the place, blue.
bwwwwhahahahaha....
idiots
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Dec 11, 2010 - 11:38am PT
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You guys are still going at this in the morning!?!
GO OUTSIDE! GO CLIMBING!!
I gotta go to work now. Bye.
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 11, 2010 - 11:54am PT
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wow, after reading what Papillon Rendre posted not only do I not have a problem with this I think what happened at this news conference is absolutely fantastic. Thanks for this thread, LEB. It made me remember that Obama is a great sitting president, Clinton is a brilliant man, and you are a blind idiot.
And please - no more love child's - blue is enough for one planet.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:03pm PT
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oBAMA IS VERY BAD MAN, vERY VERY BAD MAN.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:04pm PT
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Lois has you right where she wants you.
Her brilliant career continues.
Her performance lately has been masterful!!!
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:06pm PT
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blink
blink
dam.... it's hot in here.
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Kalimon
Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:25pm PT
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LEB,
What about Palin bailing on her term as Governor of the State of Alaska?
You find her to be so exceptional . . . she is really a pathetic whore.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 11, 2010 - 12:32pm PT
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Has to be later, guys.
Her husband is pressuring her to get dressed.
But don't worry your pretty heads. She WILL be back.
She digs every response, every insult.
Why? Because the more she can provoke you, the more you will respond, to HER.
And, it IS ALL ABOUT HER. Not you. HER.
YOU make HER the center of attention. You FEED her.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 11, 2010 - 01:45pm PT
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Speaking of mine reform, Lois you should drive out east on the Superstion highway, past the town of Superior to the Oak flats campground / Trailhead. Absolutely amazing country. Tons of cliimbing, but surreal vistas to check out and hike in as well. There is a big ole copper(?) mine there as well.
Have you done the Waever's Needle hike (Peralta trailhead) yet? Why not?
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jstan
climber
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:31pm PT
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c_t so often
Does not do it for me.
I tried the spelled out version also. Nothing.
Edit:
See post below. The first line was an experiment to see if ST would underline it.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:42pm PT
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no, you stopped because you couldn't stand getting your ass kicked intellectually all the time.
Can you tell me when this happened, specifically??? When was I outmatched intellectually?
It's nice for you to take random shots at me when I announce a diminished presence. Shows real fortitude and bravery.
I stopped because I'm actually busy at work and have a friend using my computer room at the time. He's moving his family from Arizona back home. But I just know what the likes of Dr F, Norton, et al are going to say, so why wrestle anymore?
And Doug, you never even participate in these dialogues, so I'm puzzled?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:43pm PT
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I get outdone intellectually on a daily basis, doesn't help that I'm a dumbass :D At least I can make a killer burrito.
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:49pm PT
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The Republicans drug the whole country down to an all time low. I am fully prepared to give the Dems at LEAST the same amount of time to correct the damage.
I make enough $$ to vote Republican, but I also am smart enough to think for myself and have enough of a social conscious to realize giving the ultrawealthy even further tax breaks is ridiculous right now.
It's too bad the Republibots can not think for themselves and see they are voting for their impossible dreams, not for the reality of their situation. Most republicans have Joe the Plumber Syndrome (JTPS). They care about policies that have no effect on them, and vote against those that would help them the most.
The greatest magic trick ever has been the brainwashing of the American middle class and the poor by the Republican party.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:51pm PT
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HE's BAD MAN
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:53pm PT
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Well said, Roughster
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 02:55pm PT
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Since Doug has an intellectual bone to pick;
I said;
HE'S THE F*#KING PREZ!!!!! HE'S SUPPOSED TO LEAD US!!!
And nature chimed in with;
you mean like Shrub lead us? Into wars based on lies and a growing national debt.You're a fu'cking hypocrite. It's too bad your so blind you can't see it. But it is entertaining.... just like The LEB.
I'd actually back off a bit. I'd rather the prez stay the f*#k out of my life. He and the gov't.
However, what would you have suggested after 9/11, after we discovered that OBL was still in Afghanistan launching attacks against American civis everywhere??? What would be acceptable to your superior intellect???
After you answer that we can talk about Saddam, the UN, yellow-cake, and the Iraqi war.
EDIT;
It's too bad the Republibots can not think for themselves and see they are voting for their impossible dreams, not for the reality of their situation. Most republicans have Joe the Plumber Syndrome (JTPS). They care about policies that have no effect on them, and vote against those that would help them the most.
The greatest magic trick ever has been the brainwashing of the American middle class and the poor by the Republican party.
Typical person trying to pose as a 'sensible moderate', whilst being an obvious bigot.
You are going to classify the average American as stupid, self-serving, and probably racist. Look no further than your use of the word "Republibot".
Meh...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 03:00pm PT
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Hey Matt, are you a part of this nation??? Or are you special or superior?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 11, 2010 - 03:12pm PT
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Let them eat Murdoch
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jstan
climber
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Dec 11, 2010 - 03:12pm PT
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c_t so often
This was an experiment to see if it would be automatically underlined. No need to show the other experiment when I spelled it out.
I commented already that posts intended to insult and discussions limited to something other than real issues mean both that there is no real chance for discussion and it means our community, culture and nation are going to fail, probably in the near term. The final plunge will begin when foreign investors and countries no longer use the dollar as a reserve currency.
Sorry, but as we speak we are on the road to failure.
I lived down the road at the time the steel mill in Buffalo was closed. All the mills in Ohio and Indiana were also closed down, for a simple reason. Cheap energy allowed large gross weights to be transported so cheaply it was possible to offset the higher cost of labor in the US by importing that commodity. Since then the market penetration for TV's, computers, and most other products have become 90% or better and they have all become importable commodities.
During the last decade we were told the US would be making its living off the creation and sale of securities. There is not much else we do. Well. Think again. Would you trust a US security now?
During the golden years we made our livings and bought our food by inventing new products and new technologies. You have a short time to make good wages and profits up to the time when something becomes a commodity. You have to stay ahead of the power curve.
We no longer invest. We are now so far behind the curve we are going to be importing new technologies. Solar power. High speed rail. You name it.
Better get some land appropriate for growing bananas and vote for your local tyrant.
That is the future.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 11, 2010 - 03:17pm PT
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Speaking of tangents, have taken a hike through the saguaros since you've been down there?
Photos? Trip report?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 03:18pm PT
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Let them eat Murdoch
Please, this is a family website....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 03:20pm PT
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See, this is why I hate this crap....tangents that have be hashed, re-hashed, and then smoked again.
Madonna!!!! (as they say in Italy)
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 11, 2010 - 03:23pm PT
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And they are apt to have a chance to ask him a question at another. Hopefully they don't waste their time asking him about having a life.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 11, 2010 - 03:49pm PT
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OK, let's get back to the discussion. Why did US Steel close the Buffalo plant. Why did US steelmakers, in general close so many plants?
I am the one splitting from the discussion? Looks like you are doing so? Which question did you pose which I evaded?
The topic is the press conference and "taking his wife to dinner" which you appear to have made up, and have not responded to.....and the other charge that you made, which was that he left a cabinet meeting to watch ESPN, which you've also not supported or responded to.
When challenged on your loose charges, you just change topics, repeat charges, or act offended that others are too emotional to deal with. Is it any wonder that people want to kick you off these forums?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 11, 2010 - 03:59pm PT
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South mtn park is the largest city park in the united states.
It will be interesting to see how Organ pipe measures up with memory, it really is spectacular there. but Rox is right it is dangerous! be careful! They have actual wolves there, seriously!
The botanical garden in Papago park is a must see, but iof you the chance, the big brother one, out the Superstition highway (someone help me with the name) is like a living smithsonian of desert flora.
Also, in Phoenix, The heard Museum is worth a visit, though something you said earlier made it sound like you've been there, already.
Rox, if I remember, Avondale is sort of near Goodyear...
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elcap-pics
Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 04:21pm PT
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I can't for the life of me figure out why all you people get worked up over this tripe... meanless drivel... there are so many other things so much more important to consider and discuss. Threads like this and unfortunately, so many more on this site, should just have the original post and be left to die quickly. 195 posts... unbelievable!!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 11, 2010 - 04:31pm PT
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Yup, it is! I was just thinking along similar lines. The summers in Az really dragged on me, but this time of year is great! and also in the Spring when the desert flowers bloom. Have you ever seen an Ocotillo in bloom? Something to look forward to!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 11, 2010 - 04:46pm PT
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I'm sure they appreciate it.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 11, 2010 - 06:04pm PT
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I'm upset with him for escalating Afghanistan and selling out on Health Care and the Bush Tax Cuts, plus a bunch of other things.
Republicans should be overjoyed with Obama, he governs much like one if you'd close your eyes and see what he's really doing.
But at least Obama has press conferences. Bush rarely did one
Peace
Karl
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 11, 2010 - 07:49pm PT
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Lois, do you realize how often your posts are filled will vile opinions. You complain that we think you are dumb, but you constantly say things that denigrate dems or liberals, often implying that we have no brains. So it shouldn't surprise you when people get pissed off and call you names.
For instance, when you said that I would support Obama no matter what he did, simply because I said he did what every president before him has done. How childish is it for you to say that about me? Do you understand how belittling that is?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 11, 2010 - 08:39pm PT
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You call me sensitive???? Pot.. meet kettle. How many times have you complained that people think you are dumb?
Lois, words are powerful. You complain when people call you names. I complain when they try to pigeonhole me in ways that aren't true. You have a very bad habit of using words that convey black and white thinking. All or nothing. I don't like that kind of pigeonholing. It is very destructive. I try to respect your desire to not be called names. Please try to respect my desire.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 11, 2010 - 08:41pm PT
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"Where am I not being logical in all of this?"
You are playing the part of the propagandist. You state something as an absolute fact, such as the topic of this thread (you state it as a question, to give yourself plausable deniability, but if you actually read your post, it is not a question, it is a fact.) In reality, the premise is wrong. He did not leave the press conference to take his wife to dinner. How do I know that? Because, in the YouTube link posted, he actually stated where he was going. You missed it. When I've asked you for corroboration, you've given none. Instead, you've stated:
I stated my position which is that said behavior was inappropriate; ....... it seems we have pretty much finished with that topic.
What you've done is you've created an impression of misbehavior that never happened.
Now we come to the ESPN issue. You state:
As for the leaving meetings to go watch ESPN, I have found a number of websites which allude to it but none definitive enough that I wish to post a link. That "accusation" remains nebulous at this point. It could be true it could not be true - I am leaning toward that it is so. No doubt you are leaning toward that it is not so. Absent someone in the know willing to definitively spill the beans, we can't say for sure.
In other words, there is an accusation that is just standing out there, with no evidence or witnesses or ANYTHING to stand behind it. And yet, you have repeated in posts, at least 10 times, as a fact, that he did take that action. This is libel. Why you would defame someone is puzzling.
The fact that this is a pattern speaks to something darker than someone being misguided. I could understand a person getting misinformation and passing it on, but this smacks of something different.
This feels deliberate.
This feels like Lee Atw#ter. This feels like a smear campaign designed to pull down an honorable person, so that your less honorable hero, Palin, looks better by comparison.
I just remember that you belong to the group that smeared the reputation of John McCain to the benefit of GWB with lies, when that was convenient to win an election, using the same tactics. We know what you guys are like.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Dec 11, 2010 - 08:42pm PT
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having barely ventured
into this thread
as person xyz,
it is obvious..........
a steaming
pile of sh!t
will always
attract
the flies.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 11, 2010 - 08:44pm PT
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 11, 2010 - 08:52pm PT
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we know what you think.
and we don't give a fu'ck.
because you are a brainwashed idiot.
why would we care?
why should we care?
retard.
honorable is also my opinion of him. but I'm sure you think that of the criminal that was our last president. speaks volumes about you.
Great post, Ken!
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 11, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
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go away.
you're an insensitive human.
go away.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 11, 2010 - 09:02pm PT
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Lois's long and brilliant career continues.
She knows EXACTLY how to provoke, what to say, and how to say it.
She picks her subjects carefully, for YOUR maximum emotional response.
You are responding exactly how SHE wants YOU to respond.
You are responding to HER.
She has you right where she wants you.
She does not want you to agree with her. She needs you to be angry with what she says.
You are her amusement. You are her entertainment.
And you keep responding, keep coming back, like moths to a flame.
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 11, 2010 - 09:03pm PT
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gfys
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 11, 2010 - 09:18pm PT
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Lois, I admire your work.
You far and away the best.
And do not sell yourself short.
You are simply brilliant. You have them eating out of your hand.
You are the best.
What a great career you are having!
Keep up the great work.
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Dec 11, 2010 - 09:19pm PT
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Lois, read the responses to your posts. It's not so much that folks respond to you because your words are interesting as much as they are infuriating in their small mindedness.
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 11, 2010 - 09:24pm PT
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nope. you are by far way more successful at sucking than norton.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 11, 2010 - 10:07pm PT
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moth
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 11, 2010 - 10:09pm PT
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Sincerity is the flattery form of imitation.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 11, 2010 - 10:13pm PT
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Looks to me that you all are crazier than Lois.
Why you people want to bang your heads against a brick wall is beyond me ....
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 11, 2010 - 10:19pm PT
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Addiction to suffering. There is no cure.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Dec 11, 2010 - 10:21pm PT
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so sad,
so so
sad.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 11, 2010 - 10:25pm PT
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Yes.. isn't it.
Backpacking
Climbing
Snow camping
Snow shoeing.
Body surfing in 60 degree water without a wetsuit
Answering Lois
What do they have in common?
Suffering. We have met the enemy, and it is us.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 11, 2010 - 10:29pm PT
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Naw.. we are just dumber then rocks.
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 11, 2010 - 10:29pm PT
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a brick wall and LEB. there's a difference?
both are dumb as a rock. one just happens to be....
Edit: shi't john... that means... dam!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 11, 2010 - 10:31pm PT
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PS Ken, as far as me being a propagandist (I assume you mean a paid individual for said purpose) your instincts are just about as accurate as when you said I hated all Muslims including my Muslim patients (who preferentially seek me out, for whatever reason). Might I respectfully suggest that you not give up your day job. Your "instincts" leave just a tad bit to me desired. First I am a bigot and hater of Muslims, now I am a "propagandist." I can hardly wait to hear what your next conclusion will be. For someone smart enough to be a physician (I believe that is what you are) you truly baffle me. What will be your next conclusion arrived at by said critical thinking.
I think the last thing that I'll waste my time with, is to say that your assumptions are your downfall.
Whether you actually are a bigot, I'll never know. Do you write prose that is bigoted, against muslims, there are so many examples as to drown an elephant. Hate is your word. But you sure don't give them a break. Do you write words that exist only to provoke and cause anguish, beyond question.
Paid, not a chance. I've worked with paid propagandists, you don't have the skill. You're just a simple liar.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Dec 11, 2010 - 10:32pm PT
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Yep nature.. thats what it means. Why do you think Tami keeps locking me in the trunk of the car?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 11, 2010 - 10:32pm PT
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Putty.
She is reading this right now.
Digging it.
Putty in her hands.
Bow to her.
She is the master. The best. The finest. Brilliant.
Pure entertainment to her.
Passes the boring hours at the nursing station or at home.
It is all about HER. We are here for HER amusement.
Moths.
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nature
climber
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Dec 11, 2010 - 10:37pm PT
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the part that must suck, John.... Is the trunk is a trunk in a VW bug - 1966 bug to be specific. bummer.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 11, 2010 - 11:09pm PT
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Nice flame Lois.
Slipped in a nice insult "emotional liberals" to ensure likewise emotional responses.
Always start out somewhat reasonable and chatty.
But always throw in something insulting to make sure they respond back to YOU.
Nice move. Used often with past success. Brilliant really.
Top of your game. Carry on.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 11, 2010 - 11:13pm PT
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What do you suppose they did had for dinner?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 11, 2010 - 11:22pm PT
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Bet they didn't have to wait for a table.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Dec 11, 2010 - 11:24pm PT
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"Palin was going literally bankrupt in her position vis-a-vue being witch-hunted by the Dems."--LEB
...because she needed to hire lawyers to keep her from civil and criminal courts with her Alaska endeavors stemming from improper and possibly fraudulous activity.
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jstan
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Dec 11, 2010 - 11:50pm PT
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Now tell me. How did the people at AIG issuing trillions in unsupported CDS's know that Obama would be elected and take his wife to dinner?
Lois, you are proving Crowley correct.
Do you really want to do that?
Thinkabboutit.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 11, 2010 - 11:51pm PT
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Good points, Lois.
You make a nice distinction between people who are deal with only issues
and are, as you say, much more difficult to deal with because you have to
on the top of your game. I presume you mean that YOU have to know a lot
actually about the issue being discussed, and therefore this is hard to do.
On the other hand you point out those people who are much easier to "deal" with.
And that being those people who use insults and name calling.
Easier to deal with because you can respond in kind, not have
to think about an issue.
So Lois, which of the two above kinds of people you have laid out do YOU
like to chat with online?
Do you like to mostly just trade insults and or do you like to really get into
complicated issues to discuss in great detail?
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Dec 12, 2010 - 12:01am PT
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Lois: "This is the internet, OK. We are a bunch of people hanging out posting opinions and engaging in other unimportant bantering."
That you think that these online discussions are "unimportant bantering" explains so well why you often write such crap.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 12, 2010 - 12:03am PT
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How did the people at AIG issuing trillions in unsupported CDS's know that Obama would be elected and take his wife to dinner?
That's the easiest one in the book.
Everyone takes their wife to dinner .....
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jstan
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Dec 12, 2010 - 12:16am PT
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""How did the people at AIG issuing trillions in unsupported CDS's know that Obama would be elected and take his wife to dinner?"
That's the easiest one in the book.
Everyone takes their wife to dinner ....."
BAD WERNER!
Go curl up on your blanky.
Right now.
That's exactly the same kind of outrageous shyte I got when I started climbing with MIT people.
If you had shyte kicked this climbing nonsense, instead of living in that godawful Yosemite pit you would now be living in Oakland and commuting to Berkeley each day to fight with Kerwin over budgets.
A golden opportunity!
Admit it man.
You blew it - big time.
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Dec 12, 2010 - 12:18am PT
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What you see as mere "bantering", Lois, I see as words to express ideas and thoughts about the world as we see it and how we would like to see it. The fact that you characterize it as "unimportant" goes a long way towards explaining why you write such crap. You don't care about what you're writing.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 12, 2010 - 12:25am PT
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Extraction difficulty?
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nature
climber
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Dec 12, 2010 - 01:57am PT
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print that and have him sign it. one copy only.
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nature
climber
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Dec 12, 2010 - 02:17am PT
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Performance Art.
Wait until you see what we did with 4 dozen eggs.
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nature
climber
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Dec 12, 2010 - 02:27am PT
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Lol! Tina will love that comment.
We'll upload the movie tomorrow.
Call me John...
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wack-N-dangle
Gym climber
the ground up
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Dec 12, 2010 - 02:32am PT
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nope, don't back up my belay loop.
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nature
climber
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Dec 12, 2010 - 08:03pm PT
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that's pretty good, AC. you simply needed to type the word moron and looks what happens!
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 12, 2010 - 09:50pm PT
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I took my wife to dinner last night and saw tourists eating food .....
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 12, 2010 - 09:57pm PT
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The cafeteria, I'm just a poor working stiff ....
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 12, 2010 - 10:01pm PT
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Werner in 2016!
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LED
Social climber
the great beyond
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Dec 13, 2010 - 12:23am PT
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dougs510
Social climber
down south
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Dec 13, 2010 - 05:15am PT
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As much as I hate to push this thread back to the front page, but hey, it's like Jerry Springer, really dumb, but can't seem to stop watching. That's a bad thing!
Proposition:
Is Obama losing it? In the middle of a press conference to discuss important issues surrounding the tax cut legislation, Obama up and leaves????
Conclusion:
Frankly, I think their boy is losing it but, hey what to I know. Call me crazy Your Crazy but somehow skipping out like that - and for such a flimsy reason Citation, besides Youtube? - is weird Subjective Opinion even given who it (He) is.
Philosophy 101:
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
Addendum: Apparently LEB wasn't paying attention during the "Research Methods in Psychology" class. One must attribute their "Facts" with cited works. This is obviously not the case here. I don't think Youtube counts.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Dec 13, 2010 - 10:21am PT
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f wrote, "These women just blast out their opinions like they know all, and dismiss all facts as nonsense, to fit their world view in to some narrow black and white BS dictated by Faux News and Rush Limbot"
oh, the irony
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Dec 13, 2010 - 10:01pm PT
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The crumbling house of cards is an illusion dweller who will soon make a flock of doves appear. The heavens will open and hallelujah will spread across the land.
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 13, 2010 - 10:10pm PT
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Doug just nailed you to the wall by pointing out your logical fallacies and that's the best you can do - ignore?
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Dec 13, 2010 - 10:24pm PT
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It was also an impromptu, hastily assembled, news conference. Clinton and Obama had a discussion and thought a talk from Clinton with reporters is an opportunity they should grab now.
LEB, do you know anyone else who is bitching about Obama leaving? Beck, Rush?
Should he have just stood there for 60 minutes?
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 13, 2010 - 10:27pm PT
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" .... know anyone else who is bitching about Obama leaving?"
I should start bitching because his dinner was better than mine ....
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 13, 2010 - 11:07pm PT
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you go girl!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 13, 2010 - 11:12pm PT
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i dunno Lois it might take more than just your fantasies to get him in trouble, but good luck with that!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 13, 2010 - 11:18pm PT
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Dec 13, 2010 - 11:27pm PT
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 13, 2010 - 11:29pm PT
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would you two just bury that hatchet and cut it out?
i mean it!
don't make me go all yellow on you both.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 13, 2010 - 11:44pm PT
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 13, 2010 - 11:51pm PT
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you team with Palin and you expect anyone to take you seriously?
idiot.
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Dec 13, 2010 - 11:53pm PT
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hey idiot... Bush is the one that fu'cked this country in four holes in never had before. If it wasn't for obama we'd be in a depression not a recession.
oh and.... might I add...
GFYS
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 13, 2010 - 11:55pm PT
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 14, 2010 - 12:01am PT
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LEB - the Left's value system is just creepy.
The Left is bawling about how “we can’t afford” to give people “who
don’t need it” a tax break. This argument makes perfect sense, of course as
long as income re-distribution is a central tenet in your theology.
from Thank God for Rich People
http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/thank-god-for-rich-people/
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Sir loin of leisure...
Trad climber
I'm from Idaho..bitch
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Dec 14, 2010 - 12:10am PT
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i'm just gonna step in here for a moment,to feel the hate....mmmm hate
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 14, 2010 - 12:13am PT
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 14, 2010 - 12:33am PT
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That's cool, in it's way, Studley.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Dec 14, 2010 - 12:36am PT
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Dec 14, 2010 - 02:14am PT
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so great to see how lowest still adds to this site-
i can go away for months and miss absolutely nothing.
people who so thrive off of others dislike for them, they simply expose what they are all about, and for everyone to see.
too bad you are a med type and not a psych type, or else you might see yourself a bit more clearly, the way many others i believe do...
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 14, 2010 - 12:01pm PT
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What a waste of time this is.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Dec 14, 2010 - 10:04pm PT
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^^^^^^ What's this? You answer when others use foul language (directed at you).... but not with my sensibly asked questions, peppered with a minimal amount of slur?
All I did was use the word "shite"....
Absolute rubbish.
You deserve all that you get Troll
wah-wah-wah-wah
How is this relevant to the dinner you were so concerned to bring to the ST forums attention?
Definition: Troll
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1926079
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LED
Social climber
the great beyond
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Dec 14, 2010 - 11:03pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 14, 2010 - 11:08pm PT
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This still going on?
Throw in something cleverly made up to insult someone else.
Guarantees no in depth policy discussion, but instead more broad surface insults.
Makes for great entertainment for some.
Passes the time while working. No fun when no one responds.
So make up another insult, instant response. Ah, how we're talking again.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 14, 2010 - 11:12pm PT
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