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Bargainhunter
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Apr 12, 2019 - 11:36am PT
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Julian is not naive
he was/is wanted in Sweden on a rape charge
yet rather than go there and prove his innocence or guilt he chose to hide in London
why are some people defending this?
I don't hear anyone defending him from rape charges; if this was solely the issue he faced I suspect he would have dealt with justice for this charge long ago. But the circumstances require further investigation. Don't you think it's interesting that his accuser's brother works for the Swedish Intelligence Services and Sweden has been under pressure from the CIA to help extradite Assange to the US or else for suffer from cut-off of further intelligence sharing and other intel/aid? I'm not downplaying any guilt as I don't know much about this charge, but if he turned himself in to Sweden, the US would then swiftly extradite him on trumped up charges including the only one that he now faces (password cracking) and could easily implicate him on other vague conspiracy charges to bury him.
Look at the exchange of texts between Chelsea Manning and Assange in the New Yorker article (from 4/11/19) which I posted above. Does that imply guilt to you? He'd be acquitted if I were on the jury. Perhaps the US spy agencies need to consult a 12 year old computer enthusiast and figure out better passwords, or perhaps learn that an open society with accountability is a better path, and far less costly, than deep state subterfuge.
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formerclimber
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CA
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Apr 12, 2019 - 11:36am PT
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Got it. Am I correct in interpreting this that to my example, say a NSA or DIA employee assists a Russian soldier in hacking a Russian military system for the purpose of disclosing otherwise unobtainable information, that this person is likely guilty of Russian law (I get that part) and subject to extradition?
I do not think the U.S. would extradite, regardless of international law.
How do you see it?
The laws against cybercrimes normally would allow to prosecute in the jurisdiction of either the victim or the offender.
Extradition part depends on the treaty between countries: there's no such treaty for Russia-US but there's one for US-UK.
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Don Paul
Social climber
Washington DC
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Apr 12, 2019 - 11:37am PT
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^correct. If you hack into a Russian computer from the us the Russians could prosecute you. But since there is no extradition treaty and little cooperation they probably couldn't follow through. Not sure they are part of interpol either.
My prediction: assange fights tooth and nail and gets the full ten years. Time in the embassy doesn't count as prison time. On the day he is supposed to be released, he gets indicted by Sweden and stays in jail until he is extradited there. Sure, he can fight all this in court but it will probably just add to his prison time. Plus while he is in prison in the us, his communications could be limited to his immediate family members. This will be his future I'm afraid.
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