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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 14, 2010 - 04:00pm PT
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If only there had been a missile, and it was aimed at klimmer, Rokjox, suap and all the other local crackpots.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Nov 14, 2010 - 04:13pm PT
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Nice update MB. Looks like UPS902 from Hawaii is a better fit.
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Nohea
Trad climber
Sunny Aiea,Hi
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Nov 14, 2010 - 04:20pm PT
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You know now that I think about...nobody has heard from Niihau in a while.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 14, 2010 - 04:28pm PT
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Chinese sub warning/
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Nov 14, 2010 - 05:59pm PT
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Since this has already been bumped back up, I'll note that when I saw the original video I thought "sure looks like a rocket or a missile, wonder what's up". I could also easily imagine any of several military agencies running tests and denying it publicly--not for particularly sinister reasons, but simply because that is how they work and there is no reason to give away any of the US capabilities.
But, all of Glenn's voodoo trigonometry aside, all the evidence seems consistent with a known flight. Is there a chance that that's not right and something got fired from a sub? Sure. But, pretty unlikely (actually, more like "no supporting data other than sure looks like a missile") vs pretty likely: I know which one I'll take every time.
Another interesting thing that Glenn could do if he is up to it is calculate the speed of the object with each assumption (plane vs rocket) and a reasonable distance estimate. If you get 500mph assuming the plane heading/distance that will be another check in the plane column.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 14, 2010 - 06:37pm PT
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Why would our military launch a missile so close to LA where everyone could see it...not much secrecy there...? Seems like they would do this out in the middle of nowhere? jus askin?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 14, 2010 - 07:01pm PT
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That's true anderson...
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Nov 14, 2010 - 07:06pm PT
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Here's a shot of the object with the contrail dissipating, since it's approaching our warm land mass.
It's pretty clear the object is going towards us, given the narrow distant contrail and enlarging middle section.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Nov 14, 2010 - 09:28pm PT
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Dammit GC! USS Cusk attempts to launch Loon missile (V-1 copy) in 1947. Not a Regulas 1 though.
Captain dived to put out the fire.
Klimmer explodes a couple posts below.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati
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Nov 14, 2010 - 09:31pm PT
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OK, Monolith. I'll add it back in.
mY father worked in aerospace and held a SAC security clearance. He worked on many projects that were NEVER disclosed to the public. For instance, the burning of a conning tower on a sub off the cali coast when they tried to launch the regulus 1 from it. One teensie example.
Bad example.
USS Cusk, July 7, 1948
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 14, 2010 - 09:33pm PT
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From:
http://contrailscience.com/
11-8-10 GOES Animated Loop and Time Stamped:
Assuming it is correct, with the correct GOES images on 11-8-10, and that each has been time stamped correctly . . . assuming all that is correct . . .
Then the exhaust/Vapor plume from the missile going upward at a steep angle to the W - WNW and back-lit from the setting Sun would be right here . . .
Notice they timed it with the flight and contrail further South approaching L.A.
Game over.
It is a missile just as we said it was.
Thanks to PhD Mike Bolte for inspiring me to look at a Contrail "Debunker" website. Thanks for the tip. That guy on that website is clue-less.
You can even see that the missile changed direction on the ascent to the W - WNW in the satellite image of the plume.
And yes, it was even within the missile test zone off of L.A.
If it wasn't ours, then it was theirs. The DoD knows and is trying to con the American public probably because it is highly embarrassing.
Wayne Madsen probably knows a little about what he is talking about. He is talking to insiders who actually tell the truth.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Nov 14, 2010 - 09:34pm PT
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well there is all sorts of theories now being thrown, but in short, the chinese think it was a missile, the experts in england think it was a missile,and alot of experts and military as well as ex military say it was a missile. Even Japan says it was a missile...
What are your sources? I think you're making this up.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Nov 14, 2010 - 09:37pm PT
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And that's why 240 degrees does not work Klim. You are not pointing at the contrail.
You haven't shown your work on calculating the 240 degrees either, klimmer.
Do you let your students get away with that too? You got sucked in by your own sloppy work.
You are self-debunking! Thanks so much, Klim. Like you say, Game Over.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Nov 14, 2010 - 09:40pm PT
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Game over.
It is a missile just as we said it was.
Maybe if you say it over and over and over again it might actually come true.
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Nov 14, 2010 - 09:44pm PT
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ah, Glenn missed the contrail and focussed on the clouds! Or maybe they are not clouds, but there is certainly no way to tell based on the images although it is curious that there were either two clouds or two missiles which you can very clearly see in the time sequence. That is the point where Glenn gets lost I think (becoming convinced by ambiguous information).
I notice that now apparently "we" have adopted the assumption that "they" timed the missile launch to coincide with the flight! So devious!
EDIT: Glenn - you have elected to ignore all the hard questions. Why was this not flagged as an obvious missile launch from other vantage points? And, just look, there are TWO of your missile plumes that show up at about the same time. Were there two missiles?
EDIT2: Glenn, you need to review your book of rules for scholarly debate! You can't go calling everyone who disagrees with you or points out problems with your facts or thinking "dishonest".
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 14, 2010 - 09:46pm PT
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Sad Mike Bolte, you are not a very good or honest observer.
It is where I thought it would be, and is going in the direction I said it would be.
Like I said, you can even see the change in direction within the plume which we could easily see from the perspective of L.A.
Game over.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Nov 14, 2010 - 09:55pm PT
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"Human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are convinced beyond doubt that they are right."
 Laurens Van der Post
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 14, 2010 - 10:00pm PT
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Once again . . .
I knew this would attract the typical debunkers. It is soooo predictable.
LOL
From:
http://contrailscience.com/
11-8-10 GOES Animated Loop and Time Stamped:
Assuming it is correct, with the correct GOES images on 11-8-10, and that each has been time stamped correctly . . . assuming all that is correct . . .
Then the exhaust/Vapor plume from the missile going upward at a steep angle to the W - WNW and back-lit from the setting Sun would be right here . . .
Notice they timed it with the flight and contrail further South approaching L.A.
Game over.
It is a missile just as we said it was.
Thanks to PhD Mike Bolte for inspiring me to look at a Contrail "Debunker" website. Thanks for the tip. That guy on that website is clue-less.
You can even see that the missile changed direction on the ascent to the W - WNW in the satellite image of the plume.
And yes, it was even within the missile test zone off of L.A.
If it wasn't ours, then it was theirs. The DoD knows and is trying to con the American public probably because it is highly embarrassing.
Wayne Madsen probably knows a little about what he is talking about. He is talking to insiders who actually tell the truth.
I have proven it many different ways and all the evidence points to the truth that it is a missile.
Sorry you can not handle that.
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Nov 14, 2010 - 10:06pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nice quote Cintune.
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