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HighDesertDJ
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Arid-zona
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Jul 13, 2010 - 08:52pm PT
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Ricardo said: However, isn't it common practice for christians to convert others? I've been told more than once that I'm going to hell if I die a nonbeliever.
There is a difference between "you'll go to hell" and "I will send you to hell." I think we should encourage a Mosque there. 9/11 wasn't an attack by agents of Islam. It was an attack by a bunch of as#@&%es who were Muslim. Supporting a mosque there shows that we can tell the difference (though I'm sure many Americans cannot).
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Jul 13, 2010 - 09:08pm PT
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I agree DMT.
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 13, 2010 - 09:11pm PT
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Seriously, what Dingus said.
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Gene
Social climber
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Jul 13, 2010 - 09:13pm PT
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Agreed. If we can't end hate, let's work to minimize it.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 13, 2010 - 09:22pm PT
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As usually, DMT is on it.
A mosque would be a good idea, keep things in perspective. Just because a group of crazies claim allegience to a particular philosophy, religion, club, or other granfaloon, does not mean they speak for it.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 13, 2010 - 09:37pm PT
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Americans buying Saudi oil?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jul 13, 2010 - 09:42pm PT
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throw in a tomb for bin laden while your at it.
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apogee
climber
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Jul 13, 2010 - 11:23pm PT
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"Supporting a mosque there shows that we can tell the difference (though I'm sure many Americans cannot)."
The ignorance you suggest is demonstrated perfectly in this thread by the usual neo-racist, neo-bigoted, religi-tards who are quite convinced that anything related to Islam or Muslim is bad and must be extinguished immediately, as this is certainly the will of their Lord.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 13, 2010 - 11:32pm PT
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Canada is a net exporter of both oil and natural gas. We're the largest supplier of both to the US. Most of it is in northeast BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and off Newfoundland. Getting it out, especially from the tar sands in northeast Alberta, is by all accounts a not very environmentally friendly business, even by oil standards.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 13, 2010 - 11:35pm PT
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I think a mosque at ground zero is an excellent idea. I'd be down for a temple for each of the major religions, all opening to a central circle with the entryway to the circle following along a reflection pool from Ground Zero to the temples.
Of course this is logical for Americans. But will it come to fruition???
Who is funding the mosque with 'unfair' foreign funds? Can Catholics, Buddhists, HIndus, and Christians afford that? Can they compete? Would they want to?
I don't think anybody challenged the source of money for that mosque. Just disqualifying the only people who study this....
In short, Dingus, it's a nice thought, but it ain't gonna happen. Too many people are shouted down for confronting Islam and so many feel free to calll Christians 'haters'.
Political correctness gone f*#king insane!!!!
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jul 13, 2010 - 11:42pm PT
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They don't say what brand of Islam that is. Will they be bringing the full range of Islamic idea here? For instance: as is commonly practiced by Wahhabi Sunnis - will they be killing any members who renounce the religion or whom claim that other followers of different styles of Islam (for instance: the followers of Ali, the Shias) are apostates and should be executed? Cause I could see that getting to be a hot button at some time. Or how about the first time they stone an adulteress to death in Times Square? Or how about the time they caught an American woman in Iran wearing a dress. She was publicly whipped. Turns out that only prostitutes dress like that, and prostitution is illegal and punishable by a public whipping. Could start to get interesting in NYC for women who wear dresses when the religious police catch them. Maybe they'll start out slow and work their way up to this.
Clash of civilizations is an apt name:-)
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jul 13, 2010 - 11:49pm PT
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sure... why not.
it's not like they had anything to do with it.
A shrine to shrub on the other hand..... wouldn't really make much sense....
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apogee
climber
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Jul 13, 2010 - 11:51pm PT
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couchmaster, as every Uh-merri-kin knows (esp. the aforementioned ones here at ST), any form of Islam is the same, and should be eradicated like a case of fungus on your feet. If you don't, they will be kicking in your doors and raping your poodle before you know it.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 13, 2010 - 11:56pm PT
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any form of Islam is the same, and should be eradicated like a case of fungus on your feet.
I don't think Ron, and I know I ever said that!
There are some obvious other problems though, and you'd be a fool to deny Saudi influence in mosque development. What would that tell you?
Seeing as Whabbism is a major problem?
EDIT:
Doug, are you still obsessed with G.W>?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 13, 2010 - 11:59pm PT
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Kiss you Poodle goodbye, Tami......sorry.....
I never your poodle, but I'm sure it was nice.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jul 14, 2010 - 12:16am PT
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there were many types of people in those towers,
i am sure a few of them would not mind a mosque,
just pretend it is for the Islamic people in the towers,
funny if some insurgent from new jersey blew up the mosque,
now that you mention it, i bet that thing gets vandalised and grafittied to hell by the angry new yorkers,
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 14, 2010 - 12:18am PT
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Geez....I even f*#ked up a great joke, Tami....
sorry, bad form. I'm pretty disappointed in myself. Seriously. I was so close I ain't going back to edit it.
Loser!!!!!
(but ya got the joke, right?)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 14, 2010 - 12:20am PT
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Maybe we should leave the sarcasm and jokes to Tami.
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salad
climber
Escondido
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Jul 14, 2010 - 12:23am PT
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what a gesture it would be if those behind the building of this mosque would simply look for another site, or least make it known that have looked elsewhere and this the only suitible site in x amount of miles.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 14, 2010 - 12:25am PT
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quit being logical, Salad!!!!
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