Mosque to be built at ground zero

If it was in fact part of the new Freedom Towers I would be outraged.

Ya know, there are grade schools in this country who dont even teach about 911 becuase "they dont want to bring up ill feelings". True story.

It is a place with a horrible tragedy associated with it. Let people of all religions go there to pray, it might just bring some harmony, which is in short supply these days.

Peace-

Our country needs to continue to have an open door policy, but only if you adhere to our values.

However, isn't it common practice for christians to convert others? I've been told more than once that I'm going to hell if I die a nonbeliever.

I think a mosque at ground zero is an excellent idea. I'd be down for a temple for each of the major religions, all opening to a central circle with the entryway to the circle following along a reflection pool from Ground Zero to the temples.

any form of Islam is the same, and should be eradicated like a case of fungus on your feet.

Show of hands, who's been and travel in a Muslim Country

I will never forget, and you better not too!

Cordoba House is a Muslim-led project which will build a world-class facility that promotes tolerance, reflecting the rich diversity of New York City. The center will be community-driven, serving as a platform for inter-community gatherings and cooperation at all levels, providing a space for all New Yorkers to enjoy.

This proposed project is about promoting integration, tolerance of difference and community cohesion through arts and culture. Cordoba House will provide a place where individuals, regardless of their backgrounds, will find a center of learning, art and culture; and most importantly, a center guided by Islamic values in their truest form - compassion, generosity, and respect for all.

“If somebody wants to build a religious house of worship, they should do it and we shouldn’t be in the business of picking which religions can and which religions can’t. I think it’s fair to say if somebody was going to try to on that piece of property build a church or a synagogue, nobody would be yelling and screaming. And the fact of the matter is that Muslims have a right to do it too. What is great about America and particularly New York is we welcome everybody and I just- you know, if we are so afraid of something like this, what does it say about us? Democracy is stronger than this. You know, the ability to practice your religion is the- was one of the real reasons America was founded. And for us to say no is just, I think, not appropriate is a nice way to phrase it.”

"We must learn to live together as brothers, or we are going to perish together as fools."

Ummm Blue...



I think YOU have a huge bias.

Do you think the Saudis would let me build a Catholic church near Mecca if I told them it was because I wanted to promote peace and cultural understanding?

Screw 'em!

Well that last vid tells the exact same thing I get from guys in ten other countries...

No sadly that is their opinions as well. I commuicate regurlarly with guys from the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, England etc .

Look it up...I can help if you're too lazy to do the research.

There is tension from the 'migrants' who refuse to assimilate..

Darn those Amish, anyway. And what about the Hasidic Jews?

Me an my "homies" Gene?? I dont have "homies"

I think theres a point where one says enough. Ask Europe how they feel about the new muslim push and neighborhoods containing mosques.

Some disturbed and radicalised Christian fundamentalist killed hundreds of innocent Americans and we should decry not only the actions of this individual but the motives of his entire religion.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I wish to point out that "degenerate gamblers" and "patrons of pornography" are minding their own business, living their lives as they see fit. They are not bombing and killing anyone else in the name of a "jihad" or holy war versus the west. Give me a drunken gambler or male who likes to see pictures/movies of naked women (i.e. normal men) any day over a terrorist murderer.

I wish to point out that "degenerate gamblers" and "patrons of pornography" are minding their own business, living their lives as they see fit. They are not bombing and killing anyone else in the name of a "jihad" or holy war versus the west. Give me a drunken gambler or male who likes to see pictures/movies of naked women (i.e. normal men) any day over a terrorist murderer.

Well, Karl, be that as it may, 3000 people is a heck of a lot of dead folks whose point of demise is not terribly far from said proposed mosque. Not withstanding the link that Ken has posted, I will submit that the condemnation from the Muslim world regarding the events of 9/11 has not been exactly resounding and clear cut. It's been sort of half-hearted, if you ask me, and then not all the leaders have even gone so far as to even condemn the acts in the first place.

(Against my better judgment about getting involved here,)

Well, the number the USA killed in Iraq since 2003 is many, many times more than that, and there are millions of homeless refugees there. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and yet where was the widespread, clear cut, and resounding condemnation from the Christian world?

Lois, you're just being hateful and hypocritical.

They have every right to build that mosque where ever they want. This is a fact.

It may not be the best PR decision to build that mosque where ever they want. This is an opinion.

I am not king and can't make them do what I think is best. This is a fact.

Seems simple to me.

edit: My reluctance in participating in threads like this is because I'm not into arguing as a sport. I do however like hearing information from all sides and digesting it. It seems to me that too often arguing is far more common than an exchange of informed ideas and thoughtful consideration of those ideas

I am not king...

Who said anything about "exterminating" them. Certainly not me. I am not into "jihad," remember? When more of the Muslims come out and decry the atrocities committed both here and in their own country, that is when I will afford them the respect you claim they deserve. What I have heard in the way of "disapproval" is not very much and it is certainly not very convincing - more like crocodile tears, if you ask me.

I don't see the same willingness of the part of the Muslims to openly and loudly censure the evil-doers within their own ranks.

It is my belief that there is a strong inhibition in the Muslin crowd to speak out against their own. Whether it is cultural or whatever, the end result is that we do not see a whole lot of vocal condemnation of extremist from this crowd, in the general sense.

Muslims have a history of building mosques on sites that they see as religiously important.

Strict Islamic tolerance is limited to the size of your dick

Like Christians have never done such acts.

Do the republicans have any issue they push that does not involve white fear, angst, outrage, and indignation? I'm sure missing it if they do.

Like Christians have never done such acts.


What is your point other than trying to demonize all Muslims?

Navy imam Chaplain Abuhena M. Saifulislam lifted his voice to God as he called to prayer more than 100 Department of Defense employees Monday at a celebration of Ramadan at the Pentagon.

Wow. Don't tell me you guys lack the logic skill to see there is a clear difference.

Whew! Good thing they weren't Christians! I'll bet if they were,
then you guys would have your panties all in a bunch, screaming about "separation of church and state".

I do believe under the US Constitution and Federal law , they have every right to build a mosque wherever they want, even if it shows poor taste, bad judgement and offends many Americans.

There are also Christians who believe that all non-believers will be tortured in Hell for billions of years and there is a history of killing people to enforce the spread of that religion. Why do we amplify the darkness in others and ignore our own.

Any guesses as to how many people have died under the sword of Christianity over the millenia, blue? Hardly 'peaceful'.

Do you think God intended us to have peace with evil, or to make peace with man? Think before you answer. And ask yourself what evil is.

What liberals don't get, and it is almost entirely what created the crazy wack job right in this country, is that sometimes you do still have to fight.

I do not beleive that any moderate Muslim would want a Mosque at ground zero. Even Obama had to say he wasn't commenting on the wisdom of it.

What liberals don't get, and it is almost entirely what created the crazy wack job right in this country, is that sometimes you do still have to fight.

But not everything is an intellectual discussion. Often on the school yard or in prison or climbing, in medicine, when meeting a predator in nature you need to do what your instincts tell you, even what your emotions tell you or you f*#king get eaten and die- end of story.

But more than that- this is school yard sh#t. I like freedom, i like the principle of America and I don't like f*#king Sharia law, treating my people like sbit and not allowing woman any rights. Yes, if you want Sharia law in 100 years, cause expansion of idea and thought is what all religion is about(ie. catholics, evangelicals, ect) then look like a pussy, a pussy to the world and allow a damn Mosque at Ground zero. Just like in the school yard you will have all kind of a-holes coming to take a piece of you...real fast...

I for one find it amazing how alot of you come on in defense of a mosque, which represents a religion completely counter productive towards american values and ideals....You like freedoms?? Freedoms have little or nothing to do with islamification. Do we want our gays beat up or hung in the streets?? Women to be second class?? Alot of the ideals you all seem to be in favor of are not welcome in the muslim world....

Don't you think it would be the essence of who we are as Americans to allow freedom of religion?

Fifty-three percent of Manhattanites side with their mayor in favoring the Cordoba Center's construction; only 31% of voters disapprove of the planned center, according to a Marist poll on 10 August 2010.

BTW: I do believe under the US Constitution and Federal law , they have every right to build a mosque wherever they want, even if it shows poor taste, bad judgement and offends many Americans.