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HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 5, 2014 - 09:20pm PT
My wife has had lyme.....with a relapse 15 years later. Believe me you don't want to go there
(the latest treatments have a lesser chance of relapse.....I think.....)

Contrary to common myth: Ticks in the Santa Cruz mtns have a HIGH rate of Lyme infection. As many as 15% of the little b*@#$ards carry it.

Ticks are one of the very very few creatures I kill on sight.
The only good tick is one I've crushed with a stone or pulled off Oliver(dog) and dropped in the ever ready jar of rubbing alcohol.

Up here in the SCruz mtns they are much less populous than most years. About the only good thing about the drought.
skibumlifeisgood

Trad climber
south lake tahoe, ca
May 5, 2014 - 09:45pm PT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 5, 2014 - 09:59pm PT
That doesn't look like a deer-tick....but a tick of some kind
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 5, 2014 - 10:02pm PT
Typically the deer tick is not spotted and has a very distinctive shield.
they can be very small. I've seen them with a body less than 1/8" long.
They're also surprisingly quick. They will often climb up your body from ankles to as high as they can get. You can pick them up even lightly brushing vegetation. I got one last week.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 5, 2014 - 10:25pm PT
SO the good news about ticks and Lyme (fairly recent information)
Tick digs his rasp toothed snout into your skin.
Next he injects some anti-coagulant a la mosquito.
Then he sucks your juices. This engorges him. I've seen them as big as a raisin on my poor dog.
The good news is as long as he's sucking, the Lyme spirochete remains in his gut. Generally for more than 36 hours.
When he's had enough he burps and that's when the spirochetes can enter your blood.
So if you get him out early enough you don't have much to worry about.

Bad news: sometimes you can hardly feel it on you. I've seen them as small as a poppy seed.
Most human cases are caused by the nymphal, or immature, form of the tick. Nymphs are about the size of a poppy seed. Because their bite is painless, many people do not realize they have been bitten.
http://lymedisease.org/lyme101/lyme_disease/lyme_disease.html

There's a huge debate going about Lyme disease. Generally the medical Establishment is behind the times. (I won't go into the fairly rational conspiracy theories)
Typically they underrate the rate of infection in ticks.
Don't understand how it's transmitted.
Don't use the latest diagnostic tests.
Don't prescribe effective treatment! (most insurance won't cover the most reliable 3-6 month course of antibiotics with retesting)
Misdiagnose it. The usual misdiagnoses are about a half dozen.
Don't understand there are often co-infections and co-morbities.
Don't accept that without the rigorous treatment it can come back without re-infection from a tick. (My wife and a neighbor girl)

So good luck out there.
http://www.lymedisease.org
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
May 6, 2014 - 01:11am PT
California is having a tick infestation this year of almost plague proportions. At least that's the general consensus I've been getting from everyone I know who spends a lot of time in the outdoors.

All I know is I've been bitten twice and pulled off about 10 of the suckers over the last couple months and that's more then I've seen in the last 10 years.
Willoughby

Social climber
Truckee, CA
May 6, 2014 - 02:02am PT
My partner and I picked up a couple of ticks at Donner Summit (Kinky Corner area or Black Wall, I can't remember) back in March.

That photo uptread of the Tahoe tick looks like a standard issue Pacific tick, Dermacentor occidentalis. Most common host is squirrels, but they aren't too particular. I tend to call all the Dermacentors "dog ticks," but maybe that's not quite right.

Luckily, no Ixodes anywhere near this elevation ... yet.
klk

Trad climber
cali
May 6, 2014 - 11:01am PT
bouts of late rain punctuated by periods of record heat.

i am expecting a bonanza tick year.

but i won't be disappointed if it doesn't pan out

HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 6, 2014 - 01:04pm PT
anti-Lyme shot........they pulled the vaccine off the market due to anecdotal horror stories of side effects
probably a good thing as there is still no approved Lyme vaccine.
Lyme disease is a spirochete, very similar to syphilis. They both look like a tapered corkscrew but turn in opposite directions. They can have very similar effects. It is very nasty if not treated properly and completely. Very few scientists looked carefully at it until the past dozen years or so.
My wife got hers back in the stone age (1991) and had IV antibiotics for 2 weeks. The recommended at the time. It apparently went away. Except she soon had a miscarriage and then became infertile. Coincidence? Don't know except now there is good evidence that Lyme can cause both.

10 years later it came back. Diagnosed variously as fibromyalgia, arthritis, rheumatism, psycho-somatic over a period of several months. She kept feeling worse. Finally she asked herself if she might have had a relapse. She dug around and found an up to date Lyme specialist. She went up to San Francisco to get the special lab tests. Bingo. A multi month course of oral antibiotics with vitamin supplements continued until the tests came up negative. She's been fine since.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 6, 2014 - 01:59pm PT
^^^
Scary. Thanks for the info. I too had it long ago (1990) and the presciption was a course of oral antibiotics. Seemed to do the trick (my major compaints were severe lethargy and aches), but I've always wondered what the long term repercussions would be since I didn't get treatment for at least a couple weeks after developing symptoms.
BuddhaStalin

climber
Truckee, CA
May 6, 2014 - 02:21pm PT
They usually seem extra active now in spring but if memory serves, they seem to die off quite a bit as summer comes on. I see them most at black wall, or any of the bushier crags at donner, at big chief (the most i think) and even got one one me out a sagehen creek.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 6, 2014 - 02:30pm PT
Plenty of furry and feathered critters besides deer carry the deer tick.
Ixodes ricinus has a three-host life cycle, which usually takes 2–3 years to complete, although it can take from 1 to 6 years in extreme cases.[3] Adults feed on large mammals such as sheep, cattle, dogs, deer, humans and horses for 6–13 days, before dropping off. An engorged female will lay several thousand eggs and subsequently die.[3] The larvae that hatch do not actively seek a host, and usually feed on insectivores (orders Erinaceomorpha and Soricomorpha), although they may also find rodents, rabbits, birds, reptiles or bats.[3][6] They feed for 3–5 days before dropping off and moulting. The resulting nymphs then ascend grasses or twigs to seek their next host, but must return to the moist microclimate at the soil surface if they become dehydrated.[7] The nymphs feed on small to medium-sized mammals.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixodes_ricinus
Interestingly and surprisingly this tick is widespread throughout Europe.
Ixodes ricinus is found across Europe and into neighbouring parts of North Africa and the Middle East, extending as far north as Iceland and as far east as parts of Russia.[3] Its northern limit seems to be determined by environmental factors, including temperature, since a series of mild winters in Scandinavia coincided with an expansion northwards in the range of I. ricinus.[4]

I. ricinus is most frequent in habitats where its hosts are plentiful, including woodlands, heaths and forests.[3] It is most prevalent in relatively humid areas, and is absent from much of the Mediterranean Region where summers are dry.[5
This nasty little pest has been getting a lot of attention in the past 10 years.

Engorged Ixodes ricinus
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
May 6, 2014 - 02:35pm PT
so does the deer tick carry the lyme disease bug if it's host is never a deer?
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 6, 2014 - 03:27pm PT
I doubt Lyme disease minds who it's host is.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
May 6, 2014 - 04:04pm PT
The majority of Lyme is spread by small rodents such as the white-footed deer mouse... Not deer.

We're at ground-f'ing-zero for Lyme disease here. Just about everyone I know either has had Lyme or has crippling chronic Lyme. It's not a joke and can change your life forever.

FWIW, Permethrin is a much more effective repellent than DEET against ticks but can only be applied to clothes.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 6, 2014 - 04:20pm PT
Damn, just when I thought it was safe to come out of the gym.
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