The Massive Ark on the Moon (very OT, but of high interest)

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dirtbag

climber
Apr 29, 2010 - 10:25pm PT
This forum has gotten mean lately, sad to say. Seems like Rokjox's Klimmer's and Fattrads personal lives are now deemed to be fair game.
Waah!

climber
Idaho falls
Apr 29, 2010 - 10:30pm PT
I have no idea about the other two RokJox, but I know your track record, and I know that when a person expresses their true feelings about you, well, it's always in retaliation for something you've said or done. Both here in cyberspace and in real life.

dirtbag, you shouldn't be concerned about RokJox. he's never had friends, he's used to it.

Sad
but true




LithiumMetalman

Trad climber
cesspool central
Apr 29, 2010 - 10:39pm PT
Interesting.

Anyone noticed how it took roughly 10 years to put a man on the moon (I'm dating from (1960ish-1969ish, Apollo Program)

yet...

It's been close to 40 years and we 'still' don't have a base or operations on the moon, yet?

Why is that?

I would think with our advancements in computers, metallurgy, bioagriculture, materials, and improved understanding on physical relativity, we would have something.

Or is something amiss?

Something to ponder and speculate.
brotherbbock

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
Apr 29, 2010 - 10:56pm PT
Holy shit!!!! I left to train for a bit and this thread exploded into armageddon?

Where the heck is alien boy Klimmer at?

I want more aliens on the moon.
Waah!

climber
Idaho falls
Apr 29, 2010 - 11:10pm PT
Poor RokJox, always so desperate! What posts should I delete? I don't see anything I've done other than to call attention to your lying and crying.

Your successful family! Last I heard you were making your son's life miserable and trashing him all over the internet.

That's all.

It's your party, cry if you want to.
LithiumMetalman

Trad climber
cesspool central
Apr 29, 2010 - 11:37pm PT
Focus!

So...prolly a few reasons for WHY we have not gone back after 6-7 Apollo missions.

-Political (Nixon axed funding due to public disapproval)
-Money (Apollo program recieved 4% of the Federal budget, now; NASA recieves less than 1%)
-(Don't Laugh) NASA has forgotten how.

check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxc7YV2QXzA&feature=player_embedded#!

I think this only part of the story.

brotherbbock

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
Apr 29, 2010 - 11:44pm PT
The reason we haven't gone back is that the angel/human/alien hybrids are not allowing us to go back.

They will let us go back once they have mined enough dilithium crystals to power their ship that Klimmer is telling us about.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2010 - 12:15am PT
Apollo 20 Resources:

Retiredafb at Revver.com
http://www.revver.com/u/retiredafb/

Moonwalker1966delta at Youtube.com
http://www.youtube.com/user/moonwalker1966delta

Angelismarriti – Homepage
http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/home-ENG.htm

Angelismarrti – Article: Apollo 20 – Light and Shadow
http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/apollo20-lightsandhadows.htm

Angelismarrti – Book: Apollo 20 the Disclosure
http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/books.htm

Lulu.com – Book Publisher: Apollo 20 the Disclosure
http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/apollo-20-the-disclosure/6383187

Ramistrip.com – Homepage
http://www.ramistrip.com/000%20web%20pages/000%20home01.html

Ramistrip.com – Apollo 20 Ship Size
http://www.ramistrip.com/000%20web%20pages/052%20Ship%20size.html

Ramistrip.com – Apollo 20 Best Image
http://www.ramistrip.com/000%20web%20pages/best%20image.html

Ramistrip.com – Apollo 20 Flight Path
http://www.ramistrip.com/000%20web%20pages/052flight.html

Ramistrip.com – Apollo 20 Image Reconstruction Steps
http://www.ramistrip.com/000%20web%20pages/052%20reconstruction%20steps.html

Ramistrip.com – Apollo 20 article by Alexander Bar-Elan
http://www.ramistrip.com/000%20web%20pages/880aba.html

Youtube Ramistrip:
http://www.youtube.com/user/rrmmii

Really good compiled videos by Ramistrip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZZWDpICa_U&feature=player_embedded#!

The Best: Alien Spaceship On The Moon - Apollo 20 Sleepwalk
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/1233/Alien_Spaceship_on_the_Moon___Apollo_20_Sleepwalk/






I think the most credible videos posted by RetiredAFB are:

http://www.revver.com/video/624310/apollo-15-and-17-search-for-the-spaceship/

http://www.revver.com/video/624328/one-of-nasa-attempt-to-hide-alien-spacecraft/

http://www.revver.com/video/624322/alien-spaceship-on-the-moon-stills-from-apollo-20/

http://www.revver.com/video/642281/alien-spaceship-on-the-moon-flyover-before-landing-apollo-20/





Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2010 - 12:17am PT
It would be nice for everyone to be civil.

Please talk substance and not personally attack one another.
Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Apr 30, 2010 - 12:34am PT
"We speculate, we guess, we assume... but we do not know."
-Alexander Bar-Elan

My understanding is that the universe is vast, far beyond our human understanding. Based on this, any life form would need to travel thousands of times the speed of light in order to move around the universe.

So my questions is this: why would any life form that advanced have any interest in human affairs? I think the "truth" is that humans are an insignificant spec in the history of our universe. So small that we invent our own delusions about our place in the universe so that we may feel purpose. I doubt any other life forms in this universe have even come 1 million lights years from our planet, if they exist at all.

Klimmer: How do you think these beings achieved light travel?


Here is a great rendering of our universe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jymDn0W6U
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2010 - 12:35am PT
Rokjox, Werner, and others who have posted positive messages . . .


Thanks :-)
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Boulder Creek CA
Apr 30, 2010 - 12:40am PT
Some of you are reminding me why I like to be alone in the mountains as far as possible from the thoughts and voices of other people.

Speaking as a contractor systems engineer and project manager working at NASA on the Constellation lunar program and International Space Station program; I'll suggest that we have much to learn...

and good manners are the lubrication for civilization; please be more respectful of each other...

and I like Gandhi's reply to reporters asking his opinion of Western civilization: "I think it would be a good idea!"

If you want well researched information on unusual phenomena, check out my lifelong friend Linda Moulton Howe on earthfiles.com...
bmacd

Trad climber
Beautiful, BC
Apr 30, 2010 - 01:05am PT
Our Universe at Home Within a Larger Universe? So Suggests Physicist's Wormhole Research

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100406172648.htm

Could our universe be located within the interior of a wormhole which itself is part of a black hole that lies within a much larger universe?

Such a scenario in which the universe is born from inside a wormhole (also called an Einstein-Rosen Bridge) is suggested in a paper from Indiana University theoretical physicist Nikodem Poplawski in Physics Letters B. The final version of the paper was available online March 29 and will be published in the journal edition April 12.

Poplawski takes advantage of the Euclidean-based coordinate system called isotropic coordinates to describe the gravitational field of a black hole and to model the radial geodesic motion of a massive particle into a black hole.

In studying the radial motion through the event horizon (a black hole's boundary) of two different types of black holes -- Schwarzschild and Einstein-Rosen, both of which are mathematically legitimate solutions of general relativity -- Poplawski admits that only experiment or observation can reveal the motion of a particle falling into an actual black hole. But he also notes that since observers can only see the outside of the black hole, the interior cannot be observed unless an observer enters or resides within.

"This condition would be satisfied if our universe were the interior of a black hole existing in a bigger universe," he said. "Because Einstein's general theory of relativity does not choose a time orientation, if a black hole can form from the gravitational collapse of matter through an event horizon in the future then the reverse process is also possible. Such a process would describe an exploding white hole: matter emerging from an event horizon in the past, like the expanding universe."
A white hole is connected to a black hole by an Einstein-Rosen bridge (wormhole) and is hypothetically the time reversal of a black hole. Poplawski's paper suggests that all astrophysical black holes, not just Schwarzschild and Einstein-Rosen black holes, may have Einstein-Rosen bridges, each with a new universe inside that formed simultaneously with the black hole.
"From that it follows that our universe could have itself formed from inside a black hole existing inside another universe," he said.

By continuing to study the gravitational collapse of a sphere of dust in isotropic coordinates, and by applying the current research to other types of black holes, views where the universe is born from the interior of an Einstein-Rosen black hole could avoid problems seen by scientists with the Big Bang theory and the black hole information loss problem which claims all information about matter is lost as it goes over the event horizon (in turn defying the laws of quantum physics).

This model in isotropic coordinates of the universe as a black hole could explain the origin of cosmic inflation, Poplawski theorizes.

Poplawski is a research associate in the IU Department of Physics. He holds an M.S. and a Ph.D. in physics from Indiana University and a M.S. in astronomy from the University of Warsaw, Poland.

Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2010 - 01:10am PT
Port,

I do have a bias and I will readily admit it.

I come from a Christian Cosmological point of view. But I am willing to look into any educated guess and point of view. Empirical data does matter and it can change my point of view.

For some reason, out of all the massive Universe, Earth is a focus. It is also a focus for the Heavenly Hosts. They care what happens here. There is something about GOD's creation of Man. We were made physical and a little lower than the Angels. But he cares about us. They care about us. Some even went so far to falling in love with man and got to "know" Man in the Biblical sense.

I do not know where Heaven is. It would be very cool to know.

The Good Book says GOD is Light. Perhaps his Heavenly Host can also transform as light and travel at the speed of light throughout the Universe. As light you don't have to deal with the mass going off the scale, nor the enormous amounts of energy that are required to travel at these speeds, as Einstein determined would be the case.

I think they are Intra-Terrestrials and not Extra-Terrestrials. Well, I suppose it can be argued that Angels or Fallen Angels are Extra-Terresrial. But their off-spring with mankind, Nephalim, would be Intra-Terrestrial.

I think it is all about our hidden history, and not a distant intellectual life form travelling from a distant Star or Galaxy to be here, with the exception of Angels who can travel at the speed of light, and are therefore not hampered by such constraints.

Can I prove any of this? No. It is hypothesis, speculation, and faith at this time.

Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Apr 30, 2010 - 01:19am PT
As this seems to be developing into parallel threads, here's a fine bit of art from Frogner Park in Oslo, the famous sculpture garden of Gustav Vigeland. It's called Sinnataggen, which roughly means the shrieking baby.
MisterE

Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
Apr 30, 2010 - 01:43am PT
I am just fascinated...and tired of popcorn...chocolate anyone?

Just desserts for all!
LithiumMetalman

Trad climber
cesspool central
Apr 30, 2010 - 02:01am PT
Think about it for a moment folks.

This is just an observation on my part:

NASA Space Program & Air Force Space Program

are

2 different programs, yet share 'some' cross-over.

Both program has to disclose budget amount to the public and feds on what, where and how much money is being spent. (There is an exception)

Take this into perspective

NASA's 2010 proposed fiscal budget is $20 billion

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/may/HQ_09-102_FY2010Budget.html

That's $18-20 billion a year to run, maintain infrastructure and research new technologies.

That may sound alot.


however


Let's look at the Air Force fiscal budget for 2010:

$160.5 billion for 2010 fiscal

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123148160

That's just to run the infrastructure, people, modernization.

This does include some research funding ($12 billion went to Space research technologies funding), but not all, from what I understand:

We have to include DARPA funding which the unclassified budget for 2010 fiscal year can be seen here (It's about $3 billion a year, has unclassified monies on Space development)

http://www.darpa.mil/Docs/FY2011PresBudget28Jan10%20Final.pdf

and let's not forget Department of Defense unclassified funding of about $80 billion in research (For aerospace/space budget look at line 5 0602201F - line 9 0602601F)

http://comptroller.defense.gov/defbudget/fy2011/fy2011_r1.pdf

This is just some of the unclassfied funding for space and air programs

This does not include undisclosed funds for further research or development! (This is the exception)

So fiscal recap:

Civilian NASA $ vs Military Air Force $$$


Also:

The Air Force Space program (And all defense programs) can utilize private sector as well as public sector research for further development, it's encouraged:

[url="http://https://www.cfda.gov/index?s=program&mode=form&tab=step1&id=2b425843d94185da0e1258f35505a37b"]http://https://www.cfda.gov/index?s=program&mode=form&tab=step1&id=2b425843d94185da0e1258f35505a37b[/url]

NASA is only now being encouraged to expand more into the private sector now (always had a prescence)...but if one looks at the history of the Apollo program...NASA utilized both public AND private sectors to greater degree than now...not unlike the Military.

Last but not least:

-NASA must share all technological discoveries with the public as stated in Space Act of 1958

-The Air Force Space Program does not have too.


So what does this mean?

That means money applied to US Air Force Space research, public AND private sectors means an increased utlization of research, resources & most importantly: increase in technological achievements over NASA. (they loaned $200mil to help out NASA with the last launch)

So what does this have to do with the moon?

Well the moon is fantastic source for Helium-3 for nuclear fusion power and as someone said "He who owns the moon, owns energy = dominant power"

so

I would not be too surprised if we have gone back to the moon (after the Apollo program) to claim stake, establish facilities & mine for H-3 for fuel

I wouldn't be too surprised if the military space research had figured out the prototypes, if not more, on nuclear fusion engine technology.

Think that sounds a little too far fetched?

Check out what Helion technologies & Tri-Alpha (that's just a few out of many) have been up to on nuclear fusion technology recently.


Anyways, apologize for the length of the blurb, these are just my thoughts.


As in terms of aliens on the backside of the moon, could be some grain of truth there, but who knows? ;-)

Cheers







MisterE

Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
Apr 30, 2010 - 02:07am PT
WandaFuca

Social climber
From the gettin place
Apr 30, 2010 - 02:08am PT
Werner likes to dismissively refer to, "mental speculations!"

I don't think there is anything wrong with speculation, but as I said earlier . . .


I'd tell you to use Occam's Razor, but they probably don't let you near anything sharp in your institution.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 30, 2010 - 02:09am PT
LMN,

All true. NASA is DoD. You have to read the mission statement and charter of NASA carefully and it spells it out. And DoD has a very deep secret pocket.

The book Dark Mission: the Secret History of NASA goes into detail on this.
http://www.darkmission.net/
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