WBraun. Wise man? Or...........of ST?

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KitKat

Trad climber

South Lake Tahoe

Mar 17, 2010 - 03:53am PT

Someday this Yosemite newbie is gonna need a rescue...

mountain dog

Trad climber

over the hills and far away

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2010 - 03:56am PT

O.K. Pussy Cat.

Yawn.

KitKat

Trad climber

South Lake Tahoe

Mar 17, 2010 - 03:58am PT

GO back to your dog bed- I don't think you even climb.

mountain dog

Trad climber

over the hills and far away

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2010 - 04:01am PT

When Skipt? After you polish Werners boots?

KitKat

Trad climber

South Lake Tahoe

Mar 17, 2010 - 04:10am PT

And this DOG obviously has no respect for women... nor does he have any respect for a stone master like Werner... nor has he EVER been to Yosemite... is there a "delete this person" button?

mountain dog

Trad climber

over the hills and far away

Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2010 - 04:13am PT

Yawn.

Yawn. Yawn.

KitKat

Trad climber

South Lake Tahoe

Mar 17, 2010 - 04:20am PT

I vote for the "delete this person" button. Dude has no respect...

Delhi Dog

Trad climber

Good Question...

Mar 17, 2010 - 04:31am PT

I'd like some popcorn now...

a couple observations, though first.

a) I don't really know WB butt spent plenty of time in the Valley and appreciate who he is and what he has done-thanks Werner for all your help to the ones needing it over the years and to your contributions on ST

b) Mountain Dog brings up some good points if you read carefully and between the lines. The dude has taken responsibility for his comments that's more than many do around here...

c) Skipt and KitKat, I think Werner can take care of himself. If he feels a need to whack MD in the future I'm sure he can handle it. Seems to me from my armchair that 1 response to MD about your (and my) feelings is/was probably enough

d)some threads just need to drift away...

Cheers,
DD

KitKat

Trad climber

South Lake Tahoe

Mar 17, 2010 - 04:39am PT

Are any of you climbing tomorrow??? I AM! G'nite!

Tarbuster

climber

right here, right now

Mar 17, 2010 - 04:45am PT

Jeepers,

Awoken by my own loud fart, I just got out of bed and making my way to a tall glass of water,
I heard all this grumbling coming from the hibernating laptop here.

Well, yes.
Werner can be a bit coarse, gruff, or grumpy here online.
(And a gal from Yos once scolded me thusly: "All you guys worship Werner").

I sometimes guess it is meant (or see that it acts) as a Zen Katsu:

Katsu (Japanese: 喝; Cantonese: hot3 (help·info), Pinyin: hè, Wade-Giles: ho) is a type of shout that is used in Chán and Zen Buddhism to give expression to one's own enlightened state (Japanese: satori) and/or to induce another person to move beyond rationality and logic and, potentially, achieve an initial enlightenment experience.[1] The shout is also sometimes used in the East Asian martial arts for a variety of purposes; in this context, katsu is very similar to the shout kiai.[2]

The word in Chinese means literally "to yell"[3] or "to shout",[4] and in Japanese has also developed the meaning of "to browbeat",[5] "to scold", and "hoarse".[6] However, in the context of Chan and Zen practice, the word is not generally used in its literal meaning(s), but rather—much as with the martial arts shout of kiai—as fundamentally a means of focusing energy. When the Chan and Zen practice of the katsu first emerged in Jiangxi province in the south of Tang dynasty China in the 8th century CE, the word was pronounced roughly as /xat/,[7] a pronunciation that is largely preserved[8] in the Japanese on'yomi ("Sino-Japanese") reading of the character as [katsɯ] or [katsɯ̥], as well as in Cantonese and Minnan Chinese.[9]

The katsu shout, insofar as it represents a kind of verbal harshness and even violence, can be considered a part of the Mahāyāna Buddhist doctrine of "skill-in-means" (Sanskrit: upāya-kauśalya), which essentially teaches that even an action or practice which seems to violate Buddhist moral guidelines—in this case, the Noble Eightfold Path's injunction against "abusive speech"[10]—is permissible, and even desirable, so long as it is done with the aim of ultimately putting an end to suffering and introducing others to the dharma, or teachings of Buddhism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katsu_(Zen);

Or perhaps Werner is just a bit blunt, if not vociferously bored, from time to time.

Delhi Dog

Trad climber

Good Question...

Mar 17, 2010 - 05:25am PT

"We wait to hear your wisdom"

Actually, I wait to hear Werner's...his would be more interesting...

Tarman- you are one funny dude! Thanks for the laugh.

Cheers,
DD

Watusi

Social climber

Newport, OR

Mar 17, 2010 - 05:45am PT

I've known Werner over many years and have always found him sincere and non-confrontational, at least in my opinion. I don't know what was said that got people so up in arms, but it does seem a bit excessive to try and post a thread that tries to defame him...

Delhi Dog

Trad climber

Good Question...

Mar 17, 2010 - 06:28am PT

Skipt, I don't feel like I need to get in a back and forth with you.

I was making observations as stated that's all...

Personally, I think MD's points could have (should have) been made leaving WB (or anyone else for that matter) out of it. Guess I should have included that observation as well...

And wisdom (to me) is a result of thoughtful reflection based on observation and experience.

If you want more than that-sorry you got the wrong dog.

Cheers,
DD

Bargainhunter

Mountain climber

Central California

Mar 17, 2010 - 07:15am PT

Werner tells it like it is, bro.

His decades of accomplishments speak for themselves and command respect.

This is a social climbing forum. Sometimes people post comments flippantly. Sometimes they are provocative or contrarian. Sometimes the posts present only a sliver of the poster's underlying personality.

Get something from it, or move on.

Peace.

Norwegian

Trad climber

Placerville, California

Mar 17, 2010 - 07:19am PT

geez skipt,
you sure throw alotta shite.

why all the name calling?
you really present yourself as insecure and wobbly.
skipt, you have wannabe brawn.

werner is braun.

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

Mar 17, 2010 - 08:56am PT

Mountain Dog:

To be honest, I think all the mudslinging and insults on this site detracts from this great CLIMBING FORUM.

So you started this thread in response?

Norwegian

Trad climber

Placerville, California

Mar 17, 2010 - 09:14am PT

werner will casually enter the room,
notice that something is amiss.
blink twice, surrender himself to the knowledge
that he has earned, and process all this.

then he'll utter some simple, yet profound coclusion and walk away into a sunlight meadow.
and be werner.

Peter Haan

Trad climber

San Francisco, CA

Mar 17, 2010 - 10:04am PT

WERNER AND THE LUG-WRENCH CHRISTIANS

WERNER: THE FOURTH MANIFESTATION

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Mar 17, 2010 - 10:14am PT

mountain dog wrote:

I started this to bring that to peoples attention, more than bag on Werner personaly. I have no one here to back me up and I don't care. Werner has most of this whole site to back him up. I knew I would be vilified tonight. I don't care. But I hope I made some people think.

And so you have, my thoughts are why hang around a forum where people use character assassination to gain attention. The fact is you do care, you are the center of attention, and at the expense of Werner.

Werner is someone I know in real life, and I make it a point to meet up with him when I am in the Valley. It doesn't really matter what the subject of discussion is, those discussions never fail to leave me with something to think about, and the memories of them linger with the feelings of goodwill and friendship.

When and if we ever meet up mountain dog we will go through the tedious process, no doubt, of you informing me of you avatar identity, at which time I will recall this post as a craven, attention getting act.